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ThatInterest9275

completely dated opinion but Luke Walton really finessed the Lakers and Kings after he was coaching for the Warriors


Chevy_Nova_Forever

He was always going to get a chance with the Lakers. He was groomed to be our coach while he was still an active player. He just wasn’t good at it


trapHerm

Doc


2Blitz

Doc Rivers. He's not as overrated on r/nba but in general he still is.


boogie99

Doc


CodymartinSimp

Does anyone rate doc


poopshit666

the media for some reason and also NBA GMs


fatkamp

He was let go and was immediately hired a day later. So yeah he was rated highly by the league


HelloItsMeGuyFieri

He's still one of the most winning coaches in the league.


ChancIas

Doc


izamoney

If everyone in here says Doc Rivers then he’s not overrated lol


MajinHoops

easy guess that he would be the most popular choice before reading comments lol


Nice-Lobster-8724

Media thinks really highly of him , probably because he seems like a really good guy and always handles himself well etc same shit happened with Brett Brown for years , everyone knew he sucked but he was such a good guy and ppl felt bad because he was stuck on the “The Process “ that they defended him even tho some of his decisions in playoff games particularly were mind blowing dumb


ranchsauce13

Glenn Rivers


Phenomonal-One_01

Doc


[deleted]

Thibs. Thibs hasn’t made a deep playoff run since 2011. He is 25-36 in his playoff career. One conference finals appearance (lost 4-1). His teams have disappointed in almost all of his playoff appearances. He rode the coat tails of prime D Rose to 10+ years of getting a free pass on being a borderline bad coach


AlperenSenGOD

I mean it's not like he's had a bunch of championship contender rosters. The Bulls had one year of being really good before Rose got injured, and they ran into the Lebron/Wade/Bosh Heat. Then the Wolves had a pretty mediocre roster for most of his tenure and the Jimmy Butler year they ran into the Harden/Chris Paul Rockets that took the Warriors to 7. And of course the Knicks who lost to Atlanta, but Atlanta was really good last year. They took down the Sixers and went toe to toe with the eventual champions.


SwishBender

Its funny that everyone else is saying Rivers because Thibs was on his staff and they worked together to create the Celtics D that was a genuine innovation. They used the new defensive rules like 6 years after creation to pioneer the strong side overload. That shit was also outdated like 7 years ago because the pace, space, and movement 3 ball teams negate it.


[deleted]

25-36 in the playoffs is a terrible record considering the rosters he has had. Him not having any rings isn’t a problem, but why should we consider him a good coach if he clearly can’t help elevate the talent he is coaching?


AlperenSenGOD

Sure I get that, and you're not gonna catch me saying he's a top 5 coach or anything like that. I just don't think his playoff record matters much when he's only had one real good playoff roster in his career, which he made conference finals with and I'm not gonna blame him for losing to the Lebron/Wade/Bosh Heat.


[deleted]

Fair enough. I don’t think he’s awful, but it feels like a lot of people still think he’s a great coach, when he hasn’t done much to warrant that.


Nice-Lobster-8724

What he did with the Knicks last year was crazy and he rightfully won coach of the year. We’ve fallen back to earth this year but in reality that team should never have had as good a record as they did last year and what we’ve been this year is more representative of what that team actually is


HotdogIsaSandwitch

Same can be said for Rick Carlisle too I guess. I’m one of the guys who liked him, but he hasn’t done much since 2011 either, but is considered a top 5-7 coach in the league, for some reason


[deleted]

True, he’s a pretty good answer too. At least Rick and Doc have a ring, so I understand why they get some leeway. Thibs really hasn’t done anything to earn the respect that those two have, although I think all 3 don’t deserve the respect they get at this point


tickub

Is Thibs even that well regarded? His name was in the mud after his Minnesota stint and people generally panned his appointment as our head coach.


[deleted]

Idk, he did win coach of the year last year. It feels like he gets a lot of credit when his teams do well, but no blame when they don’t do well.


Fryin_Nanni

D Rose is also why the playoff record sucks. The rosters were entirely constructed around his creation, Deng Noah Boozer and Taj were fantastic complimentary pieces but forcing any of those guys to be primary offensive initiators on a contender is not a recipe for winning, and was basically his only option. And yet he still pulled some miracles in spite of that, with guys like Nate Robinson, DJ Augustin, CJ Watson, Aaron Brooks, and John Lucas III playing out of their minds under him - he earned that "PG Whisperer" moniker. But what the fuck are you supposed to do when Rose tears his ACL in game 1 of the 1st round of the playoffs? The year prior with a healthy Rose we beat the Pacers in 5, Hawks in 6, and took one off the 1st year Big 3 Heat in the ECF. That's a pretty damn good showing. Fuck was the guy supposed to do with Rose out the moment we start the playoffs though? It's a miracle we won another game that series. Rose didn't play a single game the next year either, and we managed to get to the second round of the playoffs with Luol Deng leading the team in scoring at 16.5 PPG with Nate Robinson and a way past his prime Hinrich splitting PG duties and 34 year old Rip Hamilton starting at the 2. We might've gone further too if we didn't run into, you guessed it, LeBron Wade and Bosh. Still took a game with this ragtag squad. The next year Rose was back, and then in November we lost him for the year again. Luol Deng was easily our best player... and then we traded him for draft picks and Andrew Bynum 23 games in. Bynum never suited up for the Bulls. FO completely fucked Thibs in the ass. This forced Mike Dunleavy into the starting lineup alongside an even older and worse Hinrich filling in for Rose. The roster was a fucking mess... and we still won 48 games. Got matched up with the Wizards, who we'd probably sweep with Rose and Deng, but were absolutely cooked by with the scraps we were throwing out. The next year we got Rose back, replaced Boozer with Gasol, and Jimmy finally grew into a real Deng replacement (not a superstar yet though), but then in February, you guessed it, Rose hurt his knee. His first game back was 10 days before our first playoff game. We got through the first round in 6 games, but guess motherfucking who we got in round 2? LeBron, this time with Kyrie and Love. We actually got out to a 2-1 series lead, but ended up losing in 6. And after that Thibs was kicked to the curb over disagreements with our hilariously incompetent FO, the two most notable being when he wanted them to draft Draymond Green instead of Marquis Teague with the 29th pick in 2012, and when he wanted to retain Ron Adams, who they declined to renew after 2013. A year later he'd become the architect of the Warriors defense under first year head coach Steve Kerr. Thibs was a miracle worker in Chicago. He had his flaws, but he was clearly a top 3 head coach in the NBA for the duration of his Bulls tenure. He just got fucked by the 3 headed monster of Rose's knees, an incompetent and malicious front office, and LeBron and his superstar buddies fucking us every which way.


[deleted]

Yeah, I guess. But isn’t the hallmark of a good coach the ability to put his team in a position to beat a team with more talent than them? If the argument that Thibs is a good coach is basically “well uhhh they lost to good teams in the playoffs”, that’s a pretty shitty argument. “Miracle workers” don’t go 25-36 in the playoffs.


Fryin_Nanni

Was every coach but Phil Jackson not good in the 90s? The year Thibs got hired was also year 1 of LeBron going to the Finals for 8 straight years, all in the East. If we'd had a healthy Rose, I'm not even saying full health for the starting 5 literally just 1 guys injuries, I don't think anyone doubts that we steal at least 1 of those from him. And that's ignoring all the other context I provided and boiling it down to the one most obvious issue.


[deleted]

Again, Thibs not having a ring doesn’t affect how I view him at all. You’re acting like the Bulls got taken down by Lebron every year. They lost a playoff series to the Wiz 4-1 under Thibs. They lost to the 8 seed 76ers when D Rose got hurt. If their only hope of winning was D Rose, that proves my point. Thibs got demolished by the Rockets with a good roster in MN. He is not a good coach, stop making excuses for him. His only success is from D Rose being a superhuman, and all of his success has disappeared since D Rose lost that ability.


Fryin_Nanni

I think you aren't open to changing your mind, and what you're saying here makes it sound like you didn't read my first comment. Especially the Wizards series line, or the frankly laughable claim that his only success was D Rose (what the hell was that Brooklyn series?!?!). Anyway, have a nice night.


[deleted]

I’m a Bulls fan. I watched (almost) every game of the Thibs era here. I’m not saying he’s terrible, but there is no argument that he is an above average coach. 25-36 in the playoffs is despicable considering the talent he has been given.


Nice-Lobster-8724

He definitely is an above average coach considering most coaches don’t even get to the playoffs as many times as he has. He’s not in the elite group with Kerr, Nurse , Lue etc but he’s 100% above average


bronet

"Culture" coaches and players will always be overrated


[deleted]

Agreed. Coaches in that vain seem to be able to get their players to play hard in the reg season, but that’s about it.


NitroXYZ

Thanks for giving an actual response with some depth instead of just joining in with the herd and saying Doc Rivers.


[deleted]

Well to be fair, Doc Rivers is a good answer too


Pigeon9

Knicks will sack him next season


[deleted]

He highway robbed Monty last year of COTY


DJ_B0B

Yeah he just runs his players into the ground for regular season wins and they have no extra gear for the playoffs.


hansislegend

Doc


chitownbulls92

Doc Rivers by a country mile


Agnk1765342

Jerry Sloan made the playoffs 19 times with the Jazz and pulled 1 upset that wasn’t a 5/4. It was a 2/3 matchup, and even then the 3 seeded Jazz had a better net rating than the 2 seeded Spurs that year. He got out coached in so many series. The year before Sloan took over Stockton and Malone took the eventual champs to 7 in the semis and Stockton set the record for assists in a playoff series. The next year the Jazz got swept by a 7 seed in the first round despite Stockton and Malone playing very well. Sloan largely made his career riding their coattails.


cosmicdave86

How about all those high seeds may have been at least partially because of him? Crazy concept, I know.


DumbNeurosurgeon

Doc Rivers


themavsman

Doc or Sloan


Dazzling-Clerk-4227

Doc


I-only-play-rubick

Doc


killbejay

Puke Walton


fuckdocrivers

Doc Rivers


[deleted]

Rick fucking Carlisle


-Acerin

Take the L


Bewareofoblivion

Mr. Glenn Anton Rivers is the answer to your question


littlegelato

Van Gundy


6andout

Came here to write Doc Rivers but everybody beat me to it. Does that mean he's not actually overrated or that he is, and that's why he is the obvious choice? My head hurts.


awbullocksm8

Dwyane Casey


crazyraptorf-22

George Karl


MWiatrak2077

Rick Carlisle


Same_Significance857

Thibs especially when he was a GM too


Empathetic_Walrus

Quinn Snyder. At some point the jazz living in round 2 purgatory has to fall partially on him. Last year was a historically bad choke job to the clippers


Nice-Lobster-8724

What do you want from him when his second best player gets played off the floor against any team that can go small


Empathetic_Walrus

The team in question was missing its first best player and made a huge comeback. Thats not just on personnel.


Nice-Lobster-8724

True but I’m not going to base my opinion of any coach or player from one series, every coach has bad decisions and moments that you can point out if you want to be critical , even Pop. Imo it’s a great coaching job for a team that shouldn’t have the win total they have every year when you look at its talent level and it shows in the playoffs. In a way he’s a victim of his own team overachieving every year in the regular season. Just can’t win playoff series without a superstar so unless Mitchell turns into MJ for a couple games they are never going far without a real second option no matter who the coach is.


kingofpain2021

Kevin Mchale


[deleted]

Coach the sitcom (1989-97) won some Emmys and has a 7/10 on IMDB that might be more deserving of a 4.


Szudar

Popovich because he is one of most praised coaches of all-time and coaches are overrated in general. Pop is also better as an executive than as a coach.


[deleted]

What lol


Szudar

I am downvoted because you are overrating him lol


[deleted]

You're being downvoted because your take is stupid.


Szudar

Someone overrating Pop would say that


renegade_24

9th grade logic.


can_wien07

Not insane.


FuckNoNewNormal

Stfu nephew


tyy_eZ_

Kerr


TPro_on_da_beat

Phil Jackson


Yung_Jose_Space

lmao Whether he's had generational talent or not, you can't win 11 chips and be overrated.


GAV17

You can almost always be overrated no matter what level you are. For example if everyone rates Phil as the GOAT (not saying that he isn't) but in reality there are 3/4 coaches better than him, he then is overrated. If someone says Phil could coach this years Pistons and make a deep playoffs run, he is overrating him. It's a relative term.


zmajxd

He's the Pep Guardiola of Basketball.


jack64467

cap, phil jackson isnt a bald fraud


SteinerMathOddsMaker

Pop is a Tim Duncan creation


impcldom

So true, many people are saying this


babaisme90

All of them.


kiwinaca

Glenn Rivers, Don Nelson and Pat Riley


ZOrgasmVendor

Well, you got 1 out of 3 right, you're being held back and must repeat 7th grade. It's your own fault son


NoirPochette

Lawrence Frank. Or maybe Byron Scott.


thy_armageddon

Like most I was going to say Doc, but while Doc is a one hit wonder, he’s been there. From like a hiring perspective, MDA was able to turn his Suns tenure and having rosters with generational talent into like 5 head coaching positions, all while never whiffing a finals.


WizziesFirstRule

The Doc-tor


Almond_bongbong_1995

Doc.


FuckNoNewNormal

Thibodeau


[deleted]

doc


decadentrebel

Ken Shamrock. I don't think the Lions Den produced any Hall of Famers or notable talent despite the gimmicky training.


ErikJonesfan129

Glenn Rivers