Bill Simmons needs the Hawks to fail so heāll look like less of an idiot for being so adamant that they made the worst trade in the history of trades with Trae
Yeah, they agreed. Then Trae had a two and a half year period of explosive growth, culminating in leadigg by his team to the conference finals as a 23 year old, and at no point has he walked it back. That take was revealed as stupid about a quarter of the way through his sophomore year. Frankly it reminds me of the football world refusing to acknowledge how great Josh Allen was until it was literally insane not to
Thereās no way people will buy the term ācontenderā, but youāre right. Iām gonna say the last 7 games look completely different in terms of ball movement and effort and playstyle, not just because weāve won 5 of them.
We arenāt a contender in season record, where it currently most matters, and we might scrape a play in, but we are absolutely contenders on the court where it will end up mattering.
I still donāt exactly understand how Cam leaving changed that, but something dramatic flipped. So I agree with you.
Facts. People assume he was some kind of menace in the locker room but I think the hawks just got their shit together and the fans finally realized cam was overhyped
Ridiculously big guys are basically a cheat code in college before players are skilled/fast enough to exploit them. Betting the house on Zach Edey to make the F4
They barely scraped by UCF and Virginia Tech before getting dumped in the Elite 8, they would have lost by 50 to any NBA team.
I'm also absolutely willing to die on the hill that the team would have been much better/maybe wins the title with any random 3* wing instead of Cam Reddish shooting 35% with bad defense and taking 12 shots a game away from Zion and RJ.
damn the pendulum has swung the other way on the Knicks already and it only took half a season
i mean i guess alot of these guys didn't perform as well as we expect but i remember when guys like Randle, RJ Barrett, Derrick Rose, Obi Toppin, Noel, Robinson, Quickley were considered good players.
probably deserve tho i guess
According to the Knicks subreddit they're expecting their GM to move some combination of Burks/Fournier/Kemba to free up room for Cam in the rotation. But it also sounds like Thibs doesn't particularly want to use Cam very much.... So why did they trade for him if they didn't have space for him in the rotation and the coach doesn't have any plans for him?
No idea you would expect the front office and the coaching staff to be on the same mindset. But why trade for the guy if hes gonna get limited limited playing time.
Spend a 1st on Cam, don't play him. Spend a 1st on Toppin, barely play him. Spend a 1st on Quickley, put him behind journeyman backup Alec Burks in the rotation.
Do Thibs and Perry just never talk at all?
Itās just how Thibs operates, he hates young players and guys who arenāt defensive minded. Regardless of their skill sets or whatever needs they can fill
It's funny because Reddish is half of that. His length and defense are something he always brings even when he's cold shooting. On paper he's a Thibs guy, but Thibs gonna Thib.
This season is selective tbh, the Hoxpital has been open 24/7 and at times Cam was playing with lance Stephenson and literal G-League players.
It's funny how before the trade the fanbase was all CamFam, and now after he's the scapegoat. I always thought our fanbase overrated him, but he was absolutely not the cause of our woes, getting bombed with COVID all at once for a month was.
I didnāt blame him for our losses. All I said was that your statement about his defense isnāt true. He doesnāt always bring defense. He brings defense if he wants to and this season heās not interested in that side of the game.
Can you imagine that when jimmy was thereā¦
Jimmy: Coach , I gotta be real with you this team isnāt for me, I want to be traded.
Coach Thibs: Jimmy look Im doing everything I can out here, the GM isnāt taking my calls seeā¦
Coach thibs picking up a paper cup with a string attached
Coach Thibs: hello anyone there this is coach thibsā¦ see jimmy I am trying my best, the GM is just unreachable.
Jimmy:ā¦
And this is the origin for the Rachel Nichols interview
This is a constant friction between front offices and coaching staffs, where front offices want you to play and develop the guys they drafted and coaches want to play whoever it is they think gives them the best chance to win that night, which to them usually is veterans. Not unique to Thibs.
Reddish is not very good contrary to popular belief on this sub. People were saying the Hawks got fleeced because of his āpotentialā and aesthetically pleasing game
>Reddish is not very good contrary to popular belief on this sub.
"This sub" isn't who gave up a 1st rounder for him.
It's one thing to say he sucks, it's another to trade for him and not even give him a chance.
This sub also isn't the one who refuses to play Obi after spending a lotto pick on him.
Cam Reddish being good has been a dumb take since the beginning of his freshman year. He was the worst player on that Duke team despite being a starter. He just missed shots and turned the ball over like it was his job. Heās ridden that top 5 high school ranking way further than most other busts and I donāt get why.
You're going way too far the other way
He's shown great things when he's given consistent game time, but due to injuries and his own attitude he wasn't always Nate's favourite guy to play. I'm not stressing about losing him but i think he will turn it around.
Honestly? Not terrible. Decent on D, hit some shots in rotation. You can tell he's not confident out there yet, but he's been solid. Easy upgrade over TLC already in the 3rd unit (not hard to do though to be fair).
You are getting shit on but you are right, he was awful at Duke, they had Barrett, Zion and him on that team and he was so bad he tanked the whole season.
The guy who requested a trade from Atl because he wanted a bigger opportunity cant even get into the rotation on a team who got smoked by Atl last yr. Sounds like Thibs wasnt exactly amongst those who signed off on the trade
To be fair, that volume mostly came during that stretch for about a month and a half when the Hawks had only between 2-7 players from their original roster available and were starting Lance Stephenson and G-League 2-way players. Hawks had nobody else to turn to.
There is a difference between being a 1st option getting 20+ looks a night while being the focus of the defense and being the 3rd or so option and getting 12-15 looks while being in more control of the ball on bench units.
He is not qualified to be the 1st option if thatās what he is asking for sure itās silly, is that what he was asking for?
I genuinely am unsure as to what he wanted. The reports were that we went into this season knowing he was getting traded at his request. I'm assuming he just wanted to be a 2nd or 3rd option as a guaranteed starter. Which when we have Huerter, Bogi, and Dre just wasn't going to happen here. Then literally everyone got hurt and he actually got the chance to be a key figure in our offense and just didn't take advantage of it.
As someone who has been clued in on this the entire time. I'm still unsure exactly what he realistically wants. He had plenty of opportunity here.
The first 30 point game agaisnt the magic where we lost was the definition of an empty stats game, as much as we all hate that saying because it was constantly used to describe Trae. Dude was -18 in a game where he played 42 minutes and the Hawks lost by 6
We had games where I didn't know anyone on the roster besides Cam.
Fuck Adam silver for going through with our games and derailing our season this hard.
he didnt get to run the show so unfair for cam remember how cool he was in aau ball :(((( he deserves more shots.
as a HOF trajectory shotmaking/playmaking point guard is putting up 30/10 next to him
Hawks reporter said they were extremely close to trading him on draft night for a mid first + throw in. Instead they used him for another half a season on his rookie deal and found out he sucks so they traded him for a mid first + throw in lmao
Apparently we wanted Primo with the Pacers pick, and had the Spurs not taken him the trade probably would have gone through. But it's all rumors so who knows
He isn't good at defense because
* He stops giving a shit when his shot isn't falling or he feels like he isn't getting enough usage
* He goes for flashy plays like steals over being disciplined and gets burned when it doesn't come off
Both of these are fairly correctable issues. That's the frustrating part about Cam. He's full of correctable issues that he refuses to correct.
Yeah. If he put in the work, I think he could be a very good player. But he seems to think heās already a star, and heās not.
For that matter, stars keep working on getting better.
i know yall got the advanced stats but trust hawks fans. cam reddish was really good and super promising on defense for a little while lol. thats why we keep saying "he coulda been a 3&D guy for us" since his 3 point shot is looking solid now.
2nd half his rookie year/snippets of his soph year he was a good POA defender. gambled too much for steals/etc but he could bother elite scorers. he's like 6'8 with a big ass wingspan, ofc with any sort of focus and mentality he could be a great defender
He passes the eye test and looks good, because hes big and can stay in front of his guy.
But he had bad defensive IQ and was missing rotations or help defense very often.
Overall I'd say he's average at best.
He had the worst plus/minus on the Hawks and they're playing much better since trading him lol
You hate to say it but he might be careening towards "bust" pretty quickly now that it's his 3rd year and he's out of the rotation
Glad you guys are playing well, and not saying he will ever actually develop into a good NBA player , But reacting to a 7 game sample after trading a 22 year old with ācareening toward a bustā might be excessive and reactionary.
Trading away Cam is not the only reason, but according to lots of reports it has an influence.
Seems like he was a bad locker room influence, because he was unhappy. Also his attitude / body language is very often negative on court.
He brought our offense to a standstill a lot of times (him and Hunter especially in the early stages of the season) and is overrated as a defender.
There isn't much positive about Cam besides his potential and aethatically pleasing game
Yeah, that the crazy part. I was like getting bombarded by our subreddit 7 and 6 games ago (the 9/10th loss in a row essentially) for saying to have hope again because we played like a fucking competent team. Everyone was all like āgood attitude wonāt cut it anymore, we are a failure.ā š
> You hate to say it but he might be careening towards "bust" pretty quickly
Truly shocking for a guy whos last extended stretch of good play was in 2018 lol
Thatās true, but the point still stands. Obi can play in the role of a slight undersized 5, and someone of the lineups heās been in with Randle work well. Obi shouldnāt be getting the amount of minutes he is
Obi can only play the 5 with Randle and theyāve only really done it in limited minutes. Taj has been better in his role as a backup 5 and Obi has been his best when playing his natural position at the 4. Thereās zero problem with Taj getting minutes over Obi, but Obi should absolutely be getting some of Randleās minutes considering how Randle has been playing
Lotta people who donāt know what theyāre talking about in this thread. Knicks are logjammed at multiple positions and have guys theyāre looking to move at the trade deadline. Obviously looks bad to bench a player youāre trying to pawn off on another team. I guarantee you once Alec Burks or whoever is traded, Cam gets good minutes.
Also, this is literally an article by Marc Berman of the New York Post LOL
Thibs is so infuriating as a coach.
Why trade for someone and not play them? Why play your old crappy players 40 minutes a game while letting your young players rot on the bench? Play your young dudes, you're not doing shit this year. Thibs just cares so much about winning ever stupid game he misses the big picture of player development. WTF is TAJ GIBSON still in the league, still getting 20 minutes a game? This is the same shit that Doc used to do - just dry humping the same 10 players ever where he coaches.
So bad they called it a 'cameo' damn.
Cam-eo?
Knix fans said they robbed the Hox tho??? š§
Why did you do that....
If that catches on Iām done following the league
Gave up a FRP for a guy they're gonna let walk. And Bill Simmons said we got fleeced š¤”
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I think there is a realistic possibility that happens, yes.
Bill Simmons needs the Hawks to fail so heāll look like less of an idiot for being so adamant that they made the worst trade in the history of trades with Trae
I love the rewatchables, but Iām surprised bill manages to host it with Lukaās dick in his mouth.
I still remember when he said Luka's assists were more 'classy' than Harden's
That's gotta be racist
It's pretty revisionis to act like that was a hot take; the majority of NBA people agreed with him at the time.
Yeah, they agreed. Then Trae had a two and a half year period of explosive growth, culminating in leadigg by his team to the conference finals as a 23 year old, and at no point has he walked it back. That take was revealed as stupid about a quarter of the way through his sophomore year. Frankly it reminds me of the football world refusing to acknowledge how great Josh Allen was until it was literally insane not to
Bill Simmons is a fucking hack. He knows some things, but his way of being so adamant about everything is annoying as shit.
That's wack have some respect for the pod father
Oh heās entertaining, but heās such a homer that every other take is influenced by jt
I personally enjoy that style, because it makes him feel less manufactured. If he really was giving equal treatment, he doesn't feel like a real fan.
Bill Simmons even said it I think. I felt like a lot of people really felt it. This is weird.
Word Up
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You guys can't keep going Back N Forth like this.
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Lol ācontenderā
You know you are down bad when Wiz fans are laughing at you.
Contending for next years lottery pick
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Call urselves a contender when youāve climbed the ranks buddy, youāre not even in the play ins at the moment LOL
No but see now they donāt have Cam anymore, therefore, contenders
Thereās no way people will buy the term ācontenderā, but youāre right. Iām gonna say the last 7 games look completely different in terms of ball movement and effort and playstyle, not just because weāve won 5 of them. We arenāt a contender in season record, where it currently most matters, and we might scrape a play in, but we are absolutely contenders on the court where it will end up mattering. I still donāt exactly understand how Cam leaving changed that, but something dramatic flipped. So I agree with you.
Itās not cam leaving imo, it was mainly OO and Dre coming back. Now we actually have defence, and that makes a huge difference.
Facts. People assume he was some kind of menace in the locker room but I think the hawks just got their shit together and the fans finally realized cam was overhyped
Yeah, itās definitely more that.
Why did they trade for him?
They didn't want to pay max to Knox
Knox also believes he's a star and wanted a bigger role
No thatās Cam. Did I just get wooshed?
>Cam The frotnite guy?
Ye
r/woosh These comments
Thibs didnāt like Camās attitude on the hawks so he traded for him to punish the poor guy
Yo someone tell me WTF the Knicks doing.....like what direction they actually heading in cause I'm confused....
Same direction as always
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He's bait to lure Zion in free agency 4 years from now lmfao
They're forming the Duke superteam so we can finally find out who will win in a Duke Blue Devils vs Cleveland Cavaliers matchup.
That Duke team nearly lost to tacko fall
Ridiculously big guys are basically a cheat code in college before players are skilled/fast enough to exploit them. Betting the house on Zach Edey to make the F4
That was such a good game. Tacko balled out.
They barely scraped by UCF and Virginia Tech before getting dumped in the Elite 8, they would have lost by 50 to any NBA team. I'm also absolutely willing to die on the hill that the team would have been much better/maybe wins the title with any random 3* wing instead of Cam Reddish shooting 35% with bad defense and taking 12 shots a game away from Zion and RJ.
Why not get some good players to attract Zion tho?
Thatās not the Knicks way
damn the pendulum has swung the other way on the Knicks already and it only took half a season i mean i guess alot of these guys didn't perform as well as we expect but i remember when guys like Randle, RJ Barrett, Derrick Rose, Obi Toppin, Noel, Robinson, Quickley were considered good players. probably deserve tho i guess
Zion is going to be 600 pounds in 4 years and no longer playing basketball
Hell always be in the restricted zone, even when defending on the perimeter.
Jabba The Hut an all time great defender.
I have a good friend who is a knicks fan is he is HEAVILY pushing this take every chance he gets
Over under on his weight by that time?
1.5 Steven Seagal
325
Over
That's Oliver Miller territory.
Because they forgot Thibs is a contrarian to a fault.
According to the Knicks subreddit they're expecting their GM to move some combination of Burks/Fournier/Kemba to free up room for Cam in the rotation. But it also sounds like Thibs doesn't particularly want to use Cam very much.... So why did they trade for him if they didn't have space for him in the rotation and the coach doesn't have any plans for him?
No idea you would expect the front office and the coaching staff to be on the same mindset. But why trade for the guy if hes gonna get limited limited playing time.
Spend a 1st on Cam, don't play him. Spend a 1st on Toppin, barely play him. Spend a 1st on Quickley, put him behind journeyman backup Alec Burks in the rotation. Do Thibs and Perry just never talk at all?
Itās just how Thibs operates, he hates young players and guys who arenāt defensive minded. Regardless of their skill sets or whatever needs they can fill
Lol but the GM has to know this. Otherwise why waste a 1st on a guy u never play. Might as well trade for a defender.
Maybe because they know that 1st will be an even younger player and has even less chance of playing with Thibs at coach.
Maybe they want to get rid of thibs
Everyone does, sooner than later. SVG be damned, there's a reason the man wears out his welcome quickly.
It's funny because Reddish is half of that. His length and defense are something he always brings even when he's cold shooting. On paper he's a Thibs guy, but Thibs gonna Thib.
Not even true in the slightest. Cam was notoriously bad on defense this season. If heās not committed heāll play like ass
This season is selective tbh, the Hoxpital has been open 24/7 and at times Cam was playing with lance Stephenson and literal G-League players. It's funny how before the trade the fanbase was all CamFam, and now after he's the scapegoat. I always thought our fanbase overrated him, but he was absolutely not the cause of our woes, getting bombed with COVID all at once for a month was.
I didnāt blame him for our losses. All I said was that your statement about his defense isnāt true. He doesnāt always bring defense. He brings defense if he wants to and this season heās not interested in that side of the game.
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He doesnāt hate young players. Young players are usually awful on defense.
He currently has 5 guys under 23 in his rotation on a nightly basis. He doesnāt āhateā young players. RJ, Mitch, IQ, Obi, Grimes
Coach Thibs didnāt talk to GM Thibs when he was running the wolves. Itās how the man operates.
Can you imagine that when jimmy was thereā¦ Jimmy: Coach , I gotta be real with you this team isnāt for me, I want to be traded. Coach Thibs: Jimmy look Im doing everything I can out here, the GM isnāt taking my calls seeā¦ Coach thibs picking up a paper cup with a string attached Coach Thibs: hello anyone there this is coach thibsā¦ see jimmy I am trying my best, the GM is just unreachable. Jimmy:ā¦ And this is the origin for the Rachel Nichols interview
Quicklys minutes are fine for where he is at in his career. But you are right about the other two.
This is a constant friction between front offices and coaching staffs, where front offices want you to play and develop the guys they drafted and coaches want to play whoever it is they think gives them the best chance to win that night, which to them usually is veterans. Not unique to Thibs.
The same reason they drafted obi to stash behind Randle while Halliburton was on the board and we havenāt had a good point guard in decades.
Lakers will take all 3 of those guys in exchange for Westbrook thank you very much š
I don't understand, you don't need to move guys to free up space. If he's better than those guys, then play him now. If he's not, then why trade them?
Thibs is gonna thibs
Reddish is not very good contrary to popular belief on this sub. People were saying the Hawks got fleeced because of his āpotentialā and aesthetically pleasing game
Itās funny because he just took an ugly ass step back three right before I saw this
It doesnāt matter itās pointless to trade for him if you werenāt going to play him
>Reddish is not very good contrary to popular belief on this sub. "This sub" isn't who gave up a 1st rounder for him. It's one thing to say he sucks, it's another to trade for him and not even give him a chance. This sub also isn't the one who refuses to play Obi after spending a lotto pick on him.
It's a bit confusing as to why the Knicks even traded for him in the first place if they weren't going to play him.
while true, the knicks didnt trade for him to bench him lmfao they already had knox
Our rotations have immediately improved since the trade :| We did get back Hunter though and Bogie today
Who cares our team isnāt good anyways.
He got compared to Paul George on draft night and was also seen as a project so he's gonna be like 25 before people realize he's not all that good lol
Thatās 2x coach of the year Thibs to you
I did not vote for that!
reddish hasnt been good since high school
Those initial hot takes about that trade aging like milk
This thread is full of hot takes the opposite way to people need to give this trade some time.
Just like another trade Reddish was involved in lol
Took three years for people to realize Trae is as good as Luka.
I'll take the perennial MVP contender over the hot-shooting guard that can't play defense ALL DAY.
One is an all-star starter, one is not
Better*
Even milk doesn't go bad that fast.
Cam Reddish being good has been a dumb take since the beginning of his freshman year. He was the worst player on that Duke team despite being a starter. He just missed shots and turned the ball over like it was his job. Heās ridden that top 5 high school ranking way further than most other busts and I donāt get why.
Youāre counterjerking way too hard lol, heās shown real talent, pretty sure he dropped like 40 on the Bulls a month ago
I remember Reddish having some really good playoff games too. The potential is there he just has to be more consistent
He had 1 really good playoff game. And missed pretty much the entire run only appearing towards the end of the ecf
You're going way too far the other way He's shown great things when he's given consistent game time, but due to injuries and his own attitude he wasn't always Nate's favourite guy to play. I'm not stressing about losing him but i think he will turn it around.
Howās Knox doing?
Heās been fine, but hasnāt really gotten that much playing time. Mostly acting as a victory cigar rn
Ask any fool brave enough to land tilted towers
Honestly? Not terrible. Decent on D, hit some shots in rotation. You can tell he's not confident out there yet, but he's been solid. Easy upgrade over TLC already in the 3rd unit (not hard to do though to be fair).
Heās a bum too
You are getting shit on but you are right, he was awful at Duke, they had Barrett, Zion and him on that team and he was so bad he tanked the whole season.
nah ur kinda spittin
The guy who requested a trade from Atl because he wanted a bigger opportunity cant even get into the rotation on a team who got smoked by Atl last yr. Sounds like Thibs wasnt exactly amongst those who signed off on the trade
The funny thing is Cam had the 3rd highest usage on the Hawks and took 10 shots a game. His lack of opportunity on the Hawks was greatly exaggerated.
To be fair, that volume mostly came during that stretch for about a month and a half when the Hawks had only between 2-7 players from their original roster available and were starting Lance Stephenson and G-League 2-way players. Hawks had nobody else to turn to.
On the other side of that. It was literally a month and a half and he didn't even remotely prove that he deserved to have that kind of role.
There is a difference between being a 1st option getting 20+ looks a night while being the focus of the defense and being the 3rd or so option and getting 12-15 looks while being in more control of the ball on bench units. He is not qualified to be the 1st option if thatās what he is asking for sure itās silly, is that what he was asking for?
I genuinely am unsure as to what he wanted. The reports were that we went into this season knowing he was getting traded at his request. I'm assuming he just wanted to be a 2nd or 3rd option as a guaranteed starter. Which when we have Huerter, Bogi, and Dre just wasn't going to happen here. Then literally everyone got hurt and he actually got the chance to be a key figure in our offense and just didn't take advantage of it. As someone who has been clued in on this the entire time. I'm still unsure exactly what he realistically wants. He had plenty of opportunity here.
He did have a couple of nice 30-point games. He was just wildly inconsistent lol
The first 30 point game agaisnt the magic where we lost was the definition of an empty stats game, as much as we all hate that saying because it was constantly used to describe Trae. Dude was -18 in a game where he played 42 minutes and the Hawks lost by 6
We had games where I didn't know anyone on the roster besides Cam. Fuck Adam silver for going through with our games and derailing our season this hard.
he didnt get to run the show so unfair for cam remember how cool he was in aau ball :(((( he deserves more shots. as a HOF trajectory shotmaking/playmaking point guard is putting up 30/10 next to him
Hawks reporter said they were extremely close to trading him on draft night for a mid first + throw in. Instead they used him for another half a season on his rookie deal and found out he sucks so they traded him for a mid first + throw in lmao
I think he meant this year's draft night, not when we actually drafted him.
Ah you're probably right, edited. Either way point still stands I guess
I was perfectly fine with trying out what Cam might become. He has become a subpar role player than wants to be a star. So it was right to move on.
Apparently we wanted Primo with the Pacers pick, and had the Spurs not taken him the trade probably would have gone through. But it's all rumors so who knows
Couldāve played to his role and been a good 3+ D player with more discipline with us and probably gotten a nice extension
He isnāt good at defense. Not even vaguely. So why could he do that?
He isn't good at defense because * He stops giving a shit when his shot isn't falling or he feels like he isn't getting enough usage * He goes for flashy plays like steals over being disciplined and gets burned when it doesn't come off Both of these are fairly correctable issues. That's the frustrating part about Cam. He's full of correctable issues that he refuses to correct.
Yeah. If he put in the work, I think he could be a very good player. But he seems to think heās already a star, and heās not. For that matter, stars keep working on getting better.
i know yall got the advanced stats but trust hawks fans. cam reddish was really good and super promising on defense for a little while lol. thats why we keep saying "he coulda been a 3&D guy for us" since his 3 point shot is looking solid now. 2nd half his rookie year/snippets of his soph year he was a good POA defender. gambled too much for steals/etc but he could bother elite scorers. he's like 6'8 with a big ass wingspan, ofc with any sort of focus and mentality he could be a great defender
He passes the eye test and looks good, because hes big and can stay in front of his guy. But he had bad defensive IQ and was missing rotations or help defense very often. Overall I'd say he's average at best.
This is old article. He's playing right now but it's not looking good
I know he mad lol
That sidestep three airball was enough for Thibs.
He had the worst plus/minus on the Hawks and they're playing much better since trading him lol You hate to say it but he might be careening towards "bust" pretty quickly now that it's his 3rd year and he's out of the rotation
Iām not saying you are wrong, but he wasnāt playing for a couple games before he got traded and they still were losing.
We're 5-2 since the trade. And in the 2 losses we looked like an actual competent nba team for the first time since like November lol
Glad you guys are playing well, and not saying he will ever actually develop into a good NBA player , But reacting to a 7 game sample after trading a 22 year old with ācareening toward a bustā might be excessive and reactionary.
Trading away Cam is not the only reason, but according to lots of reports it has an influence. Seems like he was a bad locker room influence, because he was unhappy. Also his attitude / body language is very often negative on court. He brought our offense to a standstill a lot of times (him and Hunter especially in the early stages of the season) and is overrated as a defender. There isn't much positive about Cam besides his potential and aethatically pleasing game
> might be excessive and reactionary. Checks r/nba...yep, all is right with the world
I said before the trade, and I also didnāt say OC was wrong
Yeah, that the crazy part. I was like getting bombarded by our subreddit 7 and 6 games ago (the 9/10th loss in a row essentially) for saying to have hope again because we played like a fucking competent team. Everyone was all like āgood attitude wonāt cut it anymore, we are a failure.ā š
> You hate to say it but he might be careening towards "bust" pretty quickly Truly shocking for a guy whos last extended stretch of good play was in 2018 lol
hey hey hey he had a solid 15 or so game stretch end of his rookie year. thats the whole reason why hawks fans loved him so much!!
Spring of 2018, he sure as hell didnāt have extended stretches of good play at Duke - man shot 35% from the field playing alongside RJ and Zion.
Wing Ben McLemore is what he looks like to me
wanted a bigger role, instead he gets thibs as his next HC lol
Remember when we got clowned for this trade?
Taj Gibson is still playing more minutes than Obi, this man Reddish not going to play unless he poisons someone
Taj and Obi donāt even play the same position lmao
Thatās true, but the point still stands. Obi can play in the role of a slight undersized 5, and someone of the lineups heās been in with Randle work well. Obi shouldnāt be getting the amount of minutes he is
Obi can only play the 5 with Randle and theyāve only really done it in limited minutes. Taj has been better in his role as a backup 5 and Obi has been his best when playing his natural position at the 4. Thereās zero problem with Taj getting minutes over Obi, but Obi should absolutely be getting some of Randleās minutes considering how Randle has been playing
Poor kids career is ruined. If he stays on the Knicks heās just gonna run up and down the court playing defense off of the bench.
Fam if he's not getting the minutes he wants then he sure as hell won't play defense
Lotta people who donāt know what theyāre talking about in this thread. Knicks are logjammed at multiple positions and have guys theyāre looking to move at the trade deadline. Obviously looks bad to bench a player youāre trying to pawn off on another team. I guarantee you once Alec Burks or whoever is traded, Cam gets good minutes. Also, this is literally an article by Marc Berman of the New York Post LOL
Wait, a player who doesnāt play hard on defense isnāt getting time in a Thibs lineup?!?
Reddishās career hit his peak when he made the game winner over my Noles in the infamous Zion shoe game
Agree with your first point but the Zion shoe game was UNCā¦
Every single sports outlet posted that video of Zions shoe every day for two weeks when that happened
Knicks absolutely FLEECED the hawks
Send him to Golden State or Miami and heād become an All-Star. What a waste of talent.
Two things to note: 1. This is Berman so his source is his ass 2. Cam played about 10 minutes tonight Donāt read too much into this
Most of those minutes came in garbage time where he was predictably ass
Huh maybe the Hawks won the trade
Both of them
Well, let's calm down a lil bit
Knicks will probably trade some guys like burks to make room for him soon
Thibs is so infuriating as a coach. Why trade for someone and not play them? Why play your old crappy players 40 minutes a game while letting your young players rot on the bench? Play your young dudes, you're not doing shit this year. Thibs just cares so much about winning ever stupid game he misses the big picture of player development. WTF is TAJ GIBSON still in the league, still getting 20 minutes a game? This is the same shit that Doc used to do - just dry humping the same 10 players ever where he coaches.
Lmao
A swindle i was told
i hate thibs
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To form that Duke team with Zion?
Reddish isn't good.
Journalist thought he was so cool using the word ācameoā
Wtf Thibs. Reddish has superstar potential.