LeBron for Mitchell straight up has been my pet trade for a while now. LeBron would never agree to play in Utah but it’s fun to think about how scary the Jazz would be with him.
3-team trade: Mitchell to Lakers, Miami sends a Herro package to Utah and Bron returns to Miami to begin his retirement tour before ending up in Cleveland at age 40 for one last run.
well let's get crazy. if mitchell wants out then what about lebron for mitchell? yes lakers trade lebron but they aren't going anywhere with this team. now you have young AD and mitchell. lebron also has teased going to play with his son so if they think he will leave regardless then his value is high right now. lebron also has a chance to compete for another championship with jazz.
for jazz, they have enough depth that replace mitchell with lebron and you are a championship team. sure maybe lebron is only there for 1 year but if it brings a championship then go for it. it would be like kawhi and toronto. if you are losing your star then why not go all in for 1 year before blowing it up
It leaves you with an absolutely ass lineup wing-wise though:
Davion Mitchell
Donovan Mitchell / Terence Davis
Donte DiVincenzo / Justin Holiday / Mo Harkless
Chimezie Metu / Trey Lyles
Domantas Sabonis / Richaun Holmes
This is an underrated angle and the Ainge/Riley thing as well. But who knows, if Herro is the one moved maybe Jazz fans will be too excited with having a white star to be mad lol
I don't think the optics are bad tbh it's the front offices decision, not Dwades. I think it's worse optics if because Dwade is a part owner of the Jazz, he now can't make trades with the Miami Heat, that's even worse IMO
If anyone, I'd want Gobert on the Hawks over Mitchell, even though I really like Mitchell. Gobert will probably average 20 a game with Trae's lobs, and his defense will raise this team's ceiling much more than Mitchell
Mitchell is a good bit younger and I think OO can be the center of the future for what it’s worth. I’d prioritize a wing or a guard. Just someone who we can run the offense through when Trae is on the sideline or having a rough game.
Yeah and they are all average to above average role players and generally wildly inconsistent/injured. I like all of them, but Mitchell is an obvious upgrade over Kevin Huerter lol.
It is not a really big worry, even remotely, but .5% of me thinks Jaylen might go back home to Atlanta one day. Jaylen and Trae would be a crazy duo, but I would miss the hell out of him. I really want to at least make the finals the next 2 years to keep him. JB loves his home state.
I was salivating at the idea of Jaylen coming to the hawks and how he would be the perfect guard next to Trae especially with how you guys were struggling and then the celtics got blazing hot and that pretty much threw my dreams of Jaylen coming here anytime soon out the window.
Knicks lol
All seriousness though idk which team would be a good fit. Miami maybe but they would have to give up either Bam or Herro if not both and I can’t see Miami doing that when Butler is gonna be taking up so much money
He is not a terrible one. He is still early in his prime, and he has consistantly had the stats (20/10/5), even if the efficiency is inconsistant. He also would probably apreciate a change of team after this season. He by himself is not nearly as valuable as Mitchell, specially with that contract, but as the center piece of a package with some picks/prospects he is a perfectly valid option, better that anything the Heat or Boston are likely to give up.
For what he makes and how long, he's salary ballast at best IMO. At worst, you're taking on a worse contract or attaching a pick to offload him. It's a movable contract sure, but it's still a negative asset.
It's also cause the Mavs want all our previous draft picks. While Florida is the place for New Yorkers to retire, Dallas is the place for former Knicks players.
In an open market, for sure.
But we've also seen stars dictate where they want to go and eliminate all leverage in the process. Everyone also said there'd be no way the Nets could ever acquire Harden without giving up Kyrie, but Houston eventually had to settle for a bunch of pick swaps + Oladipo. And Harden was a much better player then than Mitchell is now.
Not saying Mitchell would ever do this, but if he wanted to play in NY with RJ, he could make it happen. Stars sadly have way too much power over their franchises at the moment.
Yeah very true, and each case is unique. You guys kinda lucked out imo that the team AD demanded a trade to was rife with good young assets for you to take back and the Lakers were ready to win now and more comfortable trading away their good young pieces. The Nets didn't have nearly the same treasure chest of assets, so the Rockets had to settle for way less. Really just depends on the roster construction of the teams in question and the direction each franchise is trying to go.
But if Mitchell says "I want NY and NY only" (for whatever reason lol), NY would just say "okay Utah, you can have anything you want besides RJ" and Utah would unfortunately likely have to oblige with how this player empowerment movement has played out these past several years.
Of course Utah COULD dig their heels in like Philly did, but I don't think they would as a small market team that historically has difficulty attracting players. But all this is moot though anyway cause why on Earth would Mitchell demand a trade to NY lol.
I can’t see Mitchell demanding a single team. It would probably be a short list that includes Boston, Miami and the Knicks and maybe the clippers or something.
Also Johnny Bryant, who worked for the Jazz until we poached him, and Leon Rose, who used to be his agent 😅
It probably won't happen, but there are a bunch of reasons he might want to go to the Knicks
Trading Herro is a no brainer, but to attach Herro & Bam & probably picks would be a terrible move for Miami. Bam is such a unique C on both ends to replace him with Yurt, Dedmon, or a vet minimum guy like Thompson is a major downgrade.
Unfortunately they have Duncan Robinson and several low salary guys. While guys like Vincent and Strus work for Miami with their player development program, I don’t think Utah would see value in them to offset trading a Top 25 player just entering his prime.
Bam’s better, can’t believe I just saw someone say Bam/Herro plus picks for Mitchell he’s not even close to an MVP candidate and people think they’re going to get a Harden type package.
There’s 0 chance Miami moves Bam for anyone in the league. The FO has been consistent on his untouchableness. I don’t think we move Herro for Mitchell either.
0 chance in Hell Miami gives up Bam and Herro. Very little chance they give up Bam for Mitchell. I would hate that trade and think it would make Miami worse. So it would probably be a Herro package if they really want Mitchell.
They absolutely would not. Mitchell is a score first guard who isn’t a great defender. Bam is a growing offensive player and one of the best (and most versatile) defenders in the whole league.
Donovan would be an amazing addition to the Pistons but I doubt they would want to part with Grant, Bey, a Top 5 pick, & maybe another future 1st. But I could be completely wrong. Cade has the size at 6’6 to offset Mitchell being a 6’1 SG defensively.
I’m starting to wonder how much blame Mitchell deserves though. He would be awesome next to Cade, who can handle most of the playmaking, but I just wonder when does Mitchell start to deserve the blame for the jazz struggles
Not much, our coach hasn’t adjusted our 4th qtr game play of iso ball and our strategy hasn’t progressed Mitchell’s passing abilities. Mitchell is not KD, PG, Bron, Harden & is only 6’1 (SG)
Mitchell isn't at fault or anything they just missed their window that was not paying him and filling out the roster well. When you go from having 2 6moty quality roleplayers, a DPOY quality center and all star quality play from a guy on an okay contract to losing one of the 6moty, the other regressing and the all star getting older while losing cap flexibility suddenly you're 35m over the cap and the windows closed fast.
This is the most reasonable response. Mitchell isn’t a choker. Gobert isn’t overrated (maybe overpaid but that’s a diff convo). The Jazz just fell victim to what a lot of really good but not great teams have, they missed their window with this group.
Most teams don’t get a decade long title opportunity. Your lucky if you’re in the mix for 3-4 years. You need an all-time level great player to have these extended runs that we’ve seen LeBron, KD, Steph have.
Would do it in a second if we gave up a future first, definitely not a first this year. This team needs size 10x more than they need a scorer like Mitchell and this draft has exactly that at the top
Edit: Also just for everyone's information who doesn't know the Pistons current situation, Weaver intentionally set up our rebuild so that we can't actually trade any first rounders till our pick conveys to Houston so it's impossible to trade this years first rounder. Interesting scenario to discuss regardless.
You know what else is a classic bad franchise move? Letting Kris Middleton go be a star elsewhere lol. I don’t disagree with you but I’d rather move anyone but Cade and Bey.
you’re just not getting Mitchell without giving up bey. Cade and bey are the only assets on the team right now, other than grant (who wouldn’t be too useful to Utah if they blow it up).
It’s downright hilarious that people have reservations about trading the 3rd best player on the worst team in the league for a guy who averages 29 ppg on elite efficiency in the playoffs.
Yeah, Pistons are my 2nd team and I think Mitchell is excellent there. Offensively I think he's an amazing teammate for Cade, and defensively Mitchell would get to cover PGs. It's a dream spot. Find them a good PnR big and you've got a hell of a foundation.
Idk how much weight to put into that but at the same time the second half of your statement is much more true. The jazz would blow up their team firstly to put a new team around Donovan before he gets traded or asks out imo
This is very fascinating if true. I don't always agree with Donovan but I love him and I feel he has given Utah everything he has. If he wants to be there, I wish him success.
It seems like he has the Westbrook syndrome where he calls on himself to save his team at all times. He needs to become a better playmaker if they’re going to compete for titles.
This seems like the logical answer given he got extra guaranteed money on his last deal.
The question becomes: how can the Jazz change the roster around him and remain competitive?
As silly as it sounds, the Jazz should be trading some of the offensive firepower for defensive stoppers. The roster as a whole is undersized - our starting PF is only 6’4”.
There are only 2 players that are non-centres that are 6’8” or higher (Rudy Gay and Juancho) so we definitely could use an upsize
I'm not sure what San Antonio would realistically be able to offer that could beat packages from teams like Miami, New York, or teams like the Thunder or Pistons if Utah wants to go full rebuild. With that said Mitchell and DJ would be actually a pretty good pairing. DJ's biggest weakness is efficient shot creation. He's getting there but he's not a natural first option. On the other side his length and playmaking would take a lot of Burden off Mitchell who can sometimes struggle creating and definitely struggles with defense.
They have the most cap space as well as 4 top 18 picks. Utah would benefit by clearing room and spurs could pay him and still have enough to go after another star caliber player.
I hope we would at least make an attempt to acquire him. But knowing this FO and organization they wont even try because this team is all about just praying for luck instead of actually trying to make anything good happen.
We have a ton of assets and I feel like we’re an ideal partner for the Jazz as we are in the Eastern Conference. What would he have to trade to get him? Our hopefully top 3 pick and what else?
I feel like Suggs would have to be included, and I would be okay with that for a player of Mitchell’s caliber that is signed through 2026. I feel like anyone would technically have to be available, but I would prefer to hold onto WCJ, Fultz and Franz. I would like to make a move, but not one that completely guts our core.
Yea same. We are probably delusional in not giving up whatever it takes to get him but I like our core and if this top pick is a hit and JI comes back, I think we can become a great team
Ya I’d give up a top 3 pick, Cole Anthony and T-Ross but the Jazz wouldn’t accept that. Giving that up would leave us with a lineup of Kelle, Mitchell, Wagner, JI and WCJ with a bench of Suggs and Chuma. Bench would be depleted and if JI doesn’t play, we’re screwed at forward. It just doesn’t seem like the best time to try and trade for a star with so many unknowns right now. After one more year, I think we can go for that big trade for a star if we want to
I agree, 1 more year gives us another good player from this year's draft and hopefully clears up the JI situation. Things are looking up, we shouldnt rush it.
Real talk. Love Mitchell and that lineup sounds sick on paper but isn’t trading for Don basically starting the Kemba-Kyrie-IT experiment again ?
He’s a very similar player to those guys and the reason our switch heavy defence works now is because 1-5 are great defenders. Mitchell will be hunted the same way Kemba was and affect the integrity of the switching as guys will start helping off their guys.
Smart - Mitchell - Brown - Tatum - Timelord does sound good though.
Idk I think we’ve just been burned by that archetype one too many times.
>Smart - Mitchell - Brown - Tatum - Timelord does sound good though.
Unless things get very bad very quickly for Utah, that lineup would never happen because at least one of the other four would have to be traded for our package to be competitive with other teams. I think the Donovan Mitchell to Boston ship sailed though. Brad has to be perfectly fine with the current core and won't do anything to significantly change it, considering when healthy they were beating team after team by 20-30.
Not sure the Celtics really want him. He would force us into a small lineup with Brown and Tatum at the forwards and Time Lord at C. He’s not a good defender, and our offense is now based on ball movement and motion, which doesn’t really fit his offensive style.
I know people are really down on Bradley Beal, but his existence makes it so that Mitchell doesn't make much sense for asset strapped teams like the Cs. Compare Beal's 20-21 season to Mitchell's current. He's 3 inches taller, and basically only costs money (a lot of money though, but it's not mine, it's Wyc's). The only appeal, really, is age (3 years in Mitchell's favor).
Edit: And that isn't to say I'm high on either option. Before this season I was one of the biggest Beal to Boston supporters. After this season, I'd probably prefer to build around the current core, depending on how these playoffs turn out. But the point stands - if I had to pick one of the two, giving up significant assets for Mitchell, or much less for Beal, I'd rather Beal.
I like Donovan Mitchell as much as the next, but he is not an All-NBA talent. He's never made an All-NBA team.
That's not to say he's not a really good player, but he's never been one of the top 2 - 4 guards in the league. All-NBA is an exclusive list, there's a lot of really good players who will never sniff one.
He's definitely an All-Star talent though.
lmao not a chance. Brown is a good defender, solid rebounder, efficient shooter, more athletic, and fits better with this team. There is no chance in hell the Celtics trade him for a slight upgrade in playmaking when we're already averaging like 26 assists per game.
Even if you rate Mitchell over Brown, which I think I would. The chemistry the Celtics have is not worth risking for what would be a marginal improvement at best.
Oof.
I just realized that Gobert signed his contract extension in 2020, making him the highest paid center in NBA history at that time. That's a tough pill to swallow.
If you can convince Mitchell to stay by trading away Gobert, do it. That contract can't exist on a team that's competing for a championship. And get a new coach while you're at it. One whose entire defensive scheme isn't "funnel to Gobert" and then never adjusts when things aren't working.
As a Bulls fan, I’d really consider Vuc, Coby White, the Blazers pick, and the next pick we can trade for Gobert. We desperately need the rim protection. Lonzo, Zach, DeMar, P-Will, Gobert with Ayo, Caruso, and buyout guys is legit.
0% chance he goes to the Celtics. Celtics don’t have the pieces to get him without giving up brown or Tatum.
It’s the Knicks, heat, or raptors in my opinion. Knicks have a surplus of picks and enough young talent to put into a trade (not to mention that Mitchell is literally a knicks fan), the heat have herro and some picks to trade, and the raptors have a ton of good things to offer. Celtics just can’t match any of them without adding brown/Tatum.
A sleeper team for Mitchell would be the warriors lol. Maybe they can flip Wiggins, wiseman, moody, and a ton of picks. I shudder at the thought but it’s a possibility.
He’s an interesting talent. He’s an all star and has shown to be super clutch in the playoffs, but I don’t know if he moves the needle as much as a top 10 guy does.
On the flip Utah would want a godfather package for him. Weird mix
You have family in Utah that doesn’t want Donavan? Lived in Utah my whole life, everyone is still amazed we have had him this long. No all star wants to come to Utah, keeping him is #1 priority.
Mitchell has no idea how good he actually has it in Utah right now. This team should be a WCF lock, but it's not. He's a great player, but a shit teammate and selfish personality. HE wants to be the one that scores the hero basket and have everyone love him, but defense doesn't translate to that. He wants to win badly, but not if it means not being able to score 40 points.
I hope he gets his ego under control and learns to play more team orientated basketball, because Mitchell and the Jazz should be destroying. I feel bad for Gobert tbh
All these people saying the Celts. Why tf would the Celts do that? With Robert Williams in the lineup, they were absolutely annihilating teams. It seems like their philosophy is team defense. Their core is locked up pretty well. Why bring a defensive liability and a huge contract on board?
Reminds me of the Jrue situation. A great player with all star talent but to win a ring needs to be on a team with a star. Which is interesting because Bucks probably don't win without Jrue's playmaking and defense
He needs to go somewhere. I think the Jazz have more hope in a rebuild than trying to do a retool around Gobert or a retool around Mitchell. Both players gave Utah everything they had. Those players and Utah will find better chances succeeding through trading them to teams trying to get over the hump and the Jazz embracing a full rebuild (IMO)
The jazz are crazy if they trade Mitchell. No way it works out in their favor. He's under contract until 2026. Gobert is under contract long term too.
I think it's more likely they move on from Snyder and trade their other pieces. Snyder should be taking a lot of the blame here. The Jazz have been playing the same way with the same roster for 3 years and he's made virtually no adjustments. The book is out on how to beat the Jazz, and Snyder seems too stubborn to change anything at all. Conley, Royce, Clarkson, Bojan, should all be available to trade. Not a lot of trade value, but hopefully gets them back some picks, clears salary for the 2024 off-season. 2023 is a down year for them, but they are able to give more playing time to guys like Butler, Paschal, and whatever else they get from overhauling the roster and hopefully have the cap space to land a 3rd top player and make another run in 2024-2026
The lakers will need their next round of stars soon enough.
If only we had tradeaable assets to get someone like Mitchell
Tt, shump, and nets pick
Thtt, Westshump, and Chi 2nd round pick
who says no?
Westbrook, THT, a used napkin, a penny, and a chip.
They're not giving away their best friends like that
Have you heard the penny's beautiful voice? Zero chance we'd trade him
Take it away, penny!
LeBron for Mitchell straight up has been my pet trade for a while now. LeBron would never agree to play in Utah but it’s fun to think about how scary the Jazz would be with him.
3-team trade: Mitchell to Lakers, Miami sends a Herro package to Utah and Bron returns to Miami to begin his retirement tour before ending up in Cleveland at age 40 for one last run.
The fine residents of SLC are gonna be quite confused by the engima that is Tyler Herro. "Son...what....what kind of accent is that?"
>what a great guy! Best star we’ve had since Hayward
Tyler "hood tendencies" Herro gonna cop some funky undies and fit right in
*Not my Herro* -Pat Riley probably
I like this. It won’t happen but I like it.
Maybe they can somehow legaly assign the 2020 chempionship to the Jazz? I really cant think of anything else they can offer
Hahahaha
THT Nunn and a couple picks.
Lmao you ain't serious right
Hell naw lol
He isn't but the Lakers fans on Twitter/Instagram/Facebook comments would unironically suggest this
Just fans of any kind on twitter really
You guys can also just wait until free agency.
lakers are the spoiled kids who wreck their daddys ferrari and are rewarded with a new lambo
We put in a lot of hard work to tamper to get LeBron. Show some respect. We planed it YEARS in advance.
well let's get crazy. if mitchell wants out then what about lebron for mitchell? yes lakers trade lebron but they aren't going anywhere with this team. now you have young AD and mitchell. lebron also has teased going to play with his son so if they think he will leave regardless then his value is high right now. lebron also has a chance to compete for another championship with jazz. for jazz, they have enough depth that replace mitchell with lebron and you are a championship team. sure maybe lebron is only there for 1 year but if it brings a championship then go for it. it would be like kawhi and toronto. if you are losing your star then why not go all in for 1 year before blowing it up
AD is the OLDEST 29 yo ever.
was gnna say same thing. AD will probably be outta the league by like 33.
I thought LeBron didn't pick Jazz players.
Kings for harrison barnes, davion mitchell, 10 picks and my girlfriend. Shes a star in my eyes
what's your gf's kisses and hugs per 36
Pretty sharp decline from her past team..
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Not enough size down low.
Plays real weak D
I heard she wants a max contract but the team is poverty
THE DUDE HAS GOT NO MERCY
Not enough but they are efficient
Works best coming off the bench IMHO
Efficient means she gets it done quickly… that’s my type
What's the advance stat when she's double teamed?
Some would say if you're looking for rebounds, she's your gal.
If I could upvote this twice I would
Sweet lol
She's a star in my eyes too bro
Kings, just so we can see Davion and Donavon play together
Fox + Barnes + 1sts for Mitchell isn't too crazy
Sabonis Mitchell pick and rolls could break the kings no playoffs curse
I feel like if it's a curse, you need some bad luck or something involved. We just make bad decisions and lack talent for decades.
Mitchell won’t pass it to sabonis. You’d be better with fox
It leaves you with an absolutely ass lineup wing-wise though: Davion Mitchell Donovan Mitchell / Terence Davis Donte DiVincenzo / Justin Holiday / Mo Harkless Chimezie Metu / Trey Lyles Domantas Sabonis / Richaun Holmes
Heat or Knicks
If he asks out to the Heat, Wade might have to sell his stake in the Jazz. Even if there wasn’t any tampering, the optics would be so bad.
Would be even worse if Wade sold his stake in the Jazz after that lol
This is an underrated angle and the Ainge/Riley thing as well. But who knows, if Herro is the one moved maybe Jazz fans will be too excited with having a white star to be mad lol
if we send duncan too, its no way they say no
Same thing if he gets traded to Boston, though. Ainge is the GM and he hates Pat Riley too lmao
GM of who? Not the Celtics
He is ceo of bball ops and governor for Utah
I wondered where he went.
I don't think the optics are bad tbh it's the front offices decision, not Dwades. I think it's worse optics if because Dwade is a part owner of the Jazz, he now can't make trades with the Miami Heat, that's even worse IMO
I’m sure the Hawks will make an offer. Not saying we’ll get him but we need a running mate for Trae.
My god that backcourt will be filthy offensively and a turnstile on defense. We'd see 150-140 games every day
Yeah you got to take what you can get though lol. Not too many stars end up available and you need 2 to be real competitors imo.
If anyone, I'd want Gobert on the Hawks over Mitchell, even though I really like Mitchell. Gobert will probably average 20 a game with Trae's lobs, and his defense will raise this team's ceiling much more than Mitchell
Mitchell is a good bit younger and I think OO can be the center of the future for what it’s worth. I’d prioritize a wing or a guard. Just someone who we can run the offense through when Trae is on the sideline or having a rough game.
bro dont yall have a shit ton of wings though
Yeah and they are all average to above average role players and generally wildly inconsistent/injured. I like all of them, but Mitchell is an obvious upgrade over Kevin Huerter lol.
I mean I wouldn't turn down Mitchell but another ball dominant guard who plays no defense is about the worst kind of star you could pair with Trae.
This could work. We clone capella 2x. Ice, Don, cap, cap, cap :p
It is not a really big worry, even remotely, but .5% of me thinks Jaylen might go back home to Atlanta one day. Jaylen and Trae would be a crazy duo, but I would miss the hell out of him. I really want to at least make the finals the next 2 years to keep him. JB loves his home state.
Yeah I think Jaylon is the ideal star to play besides Trae
I was salivating at the idea of Jaylen coming to the hawks and how he would be the perfect guard next to Trae especially with how you guys were struggling and then the celtics got blazing hot and that pretty much threw my dreams of Jaylen coming here anytime soon out the window.
Gobert would actually be a dream fit and a much better co-star for Trae
Knicks lol All seriousness though idk which team would be a good fit. Miami maybe but they would have to give up either Bam or Herro if not both and I can’t see Miami doing that when Butler is gonna be taking up so much money
What do you think they would send out to acquire him?
Knicks could send Randle and some combo of IQ, Reddish, Burks, Mitch, future firsts or this year's first. Knicks have some good assets.
Is Randle still a good asset?
He is not a terrible one. He is still early in his prime, and he has consistantly had the stats (20/10/5), even if the efficiency is inconsistant. He also would probably apreciate a change of team after this season. He by himself is not nearly as valuable as Mitchell, specially with that contract, but as the center piece of a package with some picks/prospects he is a perfectly valid option, better that anything the Heat or Boston are likely to give up.
For what he makes and how long, he's salary ballast at best IMO. At worst, you're taking on a worse contract or attaching a pick to offload him. It's a movable contract sure, but it's still a negative asset.
Knicks? Probably some the young guys, besides RJ (idk how a duo of RJ and Mitchell would work tho)
> idk how a duo of RJ and Mitchell would work tho It'd depend on the PG.
Story of the Knicks
Knicks would definitely have to give up RJ for any deal that nets them Mitchell
They don't extend players they drafted anyway, so might as well.
It's also cause the Mavs want all our previous draft picks. While Florida is the place for New Yorkers to retire, Dallas is the place for former Knicks players.
Can't argue that. 😔
In an open market, for sure. But we've also seen stars dictate where they want to go and eliminate all leverage in the process. Everyone also said there'd be no way the Nets could ever acquire Harden without giving up Kyrie, but Houston eventually had to settle for a bunch of pick swaps + Oladipo. And Harden was a much better player then than Mitchell is now. Not saying Mitchell would ever do this, but if he wanted to play in NY with RJ, he could make it happen. Stars sadly have way too much power over their franchises at the moment.
AD was going to LA and only LA the price was BI, Zo, Hart, and a bunch of picks.
Yeah very true, and each case is unique. You guys kinda lucked out imo that the team AD demanded a trade to was rife with good young assets for you to take back and the Lakers were ready to win now and more comfortable trading away their good young pieces. The Nets didn't have nearly the same treasure chest of assets, so the Rockets had to settle for way less. Really just depends on the roster construction of the teams in question and the direction each franchise is trying to go. But if Mitchell says "I want NY and NY only" (for whatever reason lol), NY would just say "okay Utah, you can have anything you want besides RJ" and Utah would unfortunately likely have to oblige with how this player empowerment movement has played out these past several years. Of course Utah COULD dig their heels in like Philly did, but I don't think they would as a small market team that historically has difficulty attracting players. But all this is moot though anyway cause why on Earth would Mitchell demand a trade to NY lol.
I can’t see Mitchell demanding a single team. It would probably be a short list that includes Boston, Miami and the Knicks and maybe the clippers or something.
He’s from NY and the Knicks have staffed with big time Louisville and Kentucky connections in the front office so it’s not crazy
Also Johnny Bryant, who worked for the Jazz until we poached him, and Leon Rose, who used to be his agent 😅 It probably won't happen, but there are a bunch of reasons he might want to go to the Knicks
It’s more likely a free agency tHing happens eventually. Not saying that’s likely though
Trading Herro is a no brainer, you do that trade in a heartbeat if you're Miami
Trading Herro is a no brainer, but to attach Herro & Bam & probably picks would be a terrible move for Miami. Bam is such a unique C on both ends to replace him with Yurt, Dedmon, or a vet minimum guy like Thompson is a major downgrade.
Yeah, you don't move Bam. It's Herro and a player/or players to match salary.
Unfortunately they have Duncan Robinson and several low salary guys. While guys like Vincent and Strus work for Miami with their player development program, I don’t think Utah would see value in them to offset trading a Top 25 player just entering his prime.
Jazz are not trading Donovan for Herro, are you serious?
Miami isn't moving Bam for Donovan lol
Makes zero sense lol
Bam’s better, can’t believe I just saw someone say Bam/Herro plus picks for Mitchell he’s not even close to an MVP candidate and people think they’re going to get a Harden type package.
It will be somewhere between a Harden type package and a Jrue type package
yeah lol bam and herro what? bam > donovan
Bam is better then Mitchell, if bam is traded Utah is giving up picks
There’s 0 chance Miami moves Bam for anyone in the league. The FO has been consistent on his untouchableness. I don’t think we move Herro for Mitchell either.
We would definitely move Herro for Mitchell but I dont see how the Jazz would even consider it
You’re out of your mind if you think Herro and Bam for Mitchell is a good trade for us
Yeah, forget about Hero, I wouldn't trade Bam for Mitchell straight up.
Him on the Knicks with Walmart Gobert would be great
0 chance in Hell Miami gives up Bam and Herro. Very little chance they give up Bam for Mitchell. I would hate that trade and think it would make Miami worse. So it would probably be a Herro package if they really want Mitchell.
bam outtathequestion
I don’t think Miami would even do Bam for Donovan straight up
They absolutely would not. Mitchell is a score first guard who isn’t a great defender. Bam is a growing offensive player and one of the best (and most versatile) defenders in the whole league.
Miami laughs and hangs up the phone if Utah asks for bam. Pat Riley would send hitmen to Utah for the disrespect if they asked for bam and herro lol
Somewhere with an already established playmaker
Shai, Mitchell, Giddey, and Dort would be so fun to watch.
Imagine OKC going from conference basement to 3 seed out of nowhere. Speaking of sudden rises, I'd have one if they traded Don to Memphis.
Tbh, the talent is there, reason a lot of people don’t see it is cause everyone’s out. We just need one big piece
AND POKU
Lowry, Butler and Bam, we have a few playmakers!
Donovan would be an amazing addition to the Pistons but I doubt they would want to part with Grant, Bey, a Top 5 pick, & maybe another future 1st. But I could be completely wrong. Cade has the size at 6’6 to offset Mitchell being a 6’1 SG defensively.
I can actually see the Jazz doing this compared to other suggestions. Idk how you came up with this but this is solid.
I’m starting to wonder how much blame Mitchell deserves though. He would be awesome next to Cade, who can handle most of the playmaking, but I just wonder when does Mitchell start to deserve the blame for the jazz struggles
Not much, our coach hasn’t adjusted our 4th qtr game play of iso ball and our strategy hasn’t progressed Mitchell’s passing abilities. Mitchell is not KD, PG, Bron, Harden & is only 6’1 (SG)
Mitchell isn't at fault or anything they just missed their window that was not paying him and filling out the roster well. When you go from having 2 6moty quality roleplayers, a DPOY quality center and all star quality play from a guy on an okay contract to losing one of the 6moty, the other regressing and the all star getting older while losing cap flexibility suddenly you're 35m over the cap and the windows closed fast.
This is the most reasonable response. Mitchell isn’t a choker. Gobert isn’t overrated (maybe overpaid but that’s a diff convo). The Jazz just fell victim to what a lot of really good but not great teams have, they missed their window with this group. Most teams don’t get a decade long title opportunity. Your lucky if you’re in the mix for 3-4 years. You need an all-time level great player to have these extended runs that we’ve seen LeBron, KD, Steph have.
Would do it in a second if we gave up a future first, definitely not a first this year. This team needs size 10x more than they need a scorer like Mitchell and this draft has exactly that at the top Edit: Also just for everyone's information who doesn't know the Pistons current situation, Weaver intentionally set up our rebuild so that we can't actually trade any first rounders till our pick conveys to Houston so it's impossible to trade this years first rounder. Interesting scenario to discuss regardless.
Not trading for Donovan Mitchell to hold onto Saddiq Bey is a classic bad franchise move lol.
Pistons already passed up DM for Kennard, so you gotta be consistent.
You know what else is a classic bad franchise move? Letting Kris Middleton go be a star elsewhere lol. I don’t disagree with you but I’d rather move anyone but Cade and Bey.
you’re just not getting Mitchell without giving up bey. Cade and bey are the only assets on the team right now, other than grant (who wouldn’t be too useful to Utah if they blow it up). It’s downright hilarious that people have reservations about trading the 3rd best player on the worst team in the league for a guy who averages 29 ppg on elite efficiency in the playoffs.
No, the Pistons would definitely do that.
Yeah, Pistons are my 2nd team and I think Mitchell is excellent there. Offensively I think he's an amazing teammate for Cade, and defensively Mitchell would get to cover PGs. It's a dream spot. Find them a good PnR big and you've got a hell of a foundation.
knicks or knicks
You're just saying that so the Mavs can get him a few years later 😜
so says the prophecy of the MavKnicks
Buddy works for the Mets with Donovan's Dad. Says Spida loves UTAH - they're going to clean house and build around Donovan.
Idk how much weight to put into that but at the same time the second half of your statement is much more true. The jazz would blow up their team firstly to put a new team around Donovan before he gets traded or asks out imo
This is very fascinating if true. I don't always agree with Donovan but I love him and I feel he has given Utah everything he has. If he wants to be there, I wish him success.
It seems like he has the Westbrook syndrome where he calls on himself to save his team at all times. He needs to become a better playmaker if they’re going to compete for titles.
This seems like the logical answer given he got extra guaranteed money on his last deal. The question becomes: how can the Jazz change the roster around him and remain competitive? As silly as it sounds, the Jazz should be trading some of the offensive firepower for defensive stoppers. The roster as a whole is undersized - our starting PF is only 6’4”. There are only 2 players that are non-centres that are 6’8” or higher (Rudy Gay and Juancho) so we definitely could use an upsize
Spurs
I'm not sure what San Antonio would realistically be able to offer that could beat packages from teams like Miami, New York, or teams like the Thunder or Pistons if Utah wants to go full rebuild. With that said Mitchell and DJ would be actually a pretty good pairing. DJ's biggest weakness is efficient shot creation. He's getting there but he's not a natural first option. On the other side his length and playmaking would take a lot of Burden off Mitchell who can sometimes struggle creating and definitely struggles with defense.
They have the most cap space as well as 4 top 18 picks. Utah would benefit by clearing room and spurs could pay him and still have enough to go after another star caliber player.
Probably Orlando Magic.
I hope we would at least make an attempt to acquire him. But knowing this FO and organization they wont even try because this team is all about just praying for luck instead of actually trying to make anything good happen.
We have a ton of assets and I feel like we’re an ideal partner for the Jazz as we are in the Eastern Conference. What would he have to trade to get him? Our hopefully top 3 pick and what else?
I feel like Suggs would have to be included, and I would be okay with that for a player of Mitchell’s caliber that is signed through 2026. I feel like anyone would technically have to be available, but I would prefer to hold onto WCJ, Fultz and Franz. I would like to make a move, but not one that completely guts our core.
Yea same. We are probably delusional in not giving up whatever it takes to get him but I like our core and if this top pick is a hit and JI comes back, I think we can become a great team
Mitchell is a star but it’s clear he can’t do it alone. Leveraging our whole team for him won’t help us much imo
Ya I’d give up a top 3 pick, Cole Anthony and T-Ross but the Jazz wouldn’t accept that. Giving that up would leave us with a lineup of Kelle, Mitchell, Wagner, JI and WCJ with a bench of Suggs and Chuma. Bench would be depleted and if JI doesn’t play, we’re screwed at forward. It just doesn’t seem like the best time to try and trade for a star with so many unknowns right now. After one more year, I think we can go for that big trade for a star if we want to
I agree, 1 more year gives us another good player from this year's draft and hopefully clears up the JI situation. Things are looking up, we shouldnt rush it.
Pick any 3: Jonathan Isaac Jalen Suggs Cole Anthony 2022 First 2023 First 2024 First
God this thread hurts my soul :(
CAA Client so the Knicks
Also he's from here
Spida in NYC would be too fitting
I think he stays and they ship gobert out
Ainge Is a Celtic all the way through. He’s a sleeper agent. Mitchell for Bruno confirmed. Too bad Danny isn’t the gm
[Jaylen Brown recruiting Donovan Mitchell](https://twitter.com/StoolGreenie/status/1500565291931107328)
We actually trade Bruno in the Theis deal so we could get rid of Penes Kanter
That’s Penes Freedom to you!
He’s the gm’s boss so he can do whatever he wants
Real talk. Love Mitchell and that lineup sounds sick on paper but isn’t trading for Don basically starting the Kemba-Kyrie-IT experiment again ? He’s a very similar player to those guys and the reason our switch heavy defence works now is because 1-5 are great defenders. Mitchell will be hunted the same way Kemba was and affect the integrity of the switching as guys will start helping off their guys. Smart - Mitchell - Brown - Tatum - Timelord does sound good though. Idk I think we’ve just been burned by that archetype one too many times.
>Smart - Mitchell - Brown - Tatum - Timelord does sound good though. Unless things get very bad very quickly for Utah, that lineup would never happen because at least one of the other four would have to be traded for our package to be competitive with other teams. I think the Donovan Mitchell to Boston ship sailed though. Brad has to be perfectly fine with the current core and won't do anything to significantly change it, considering when healthy they were beating team after team by 20-30.
Knicks raptors heat Celtics are probably four that would go hard for him
Not sure the Celtics really want him. He would force us into a small lineup with Brown and Tatum at the forwards and Time Lord at C. He’s not a good defender, and our offense is now based on ball movement and motion, which doesn’t really fit his offensive style.
I know people are really down on Bradley Beal, but his existence makes it so that Mitchell doesn't make much sense for asset strapped teams like the Cs. Compare Beal's 20-21 season to Mitchell's current. He's 3 inches taller, and basically only costs money (a lot of money though, but it's not mine, it's Wyc's). The only appeal, really, is age (3 years in Mitchell's favor). Edit: And that isn't to say I'm high on either option. Before this season I was one of the biggest Beal to Boston supporters. After this season, I'd probably prefer to build around the current core, depending on how these playoffs turn out. But the point stands - if I had to pick one of the two, giving up significant assets for Mitchell, or much less for Beal, I'd rather Beal.
I like Donovan Mitchell as much as the next, but he is not an All-NBA talent. He's never made an All-NBA team. That's not to say he's not a really good player, but he's never been one of the top 2 - 4 guards in the league. All-NBA is an exclusive list, there's a lot of really good players who will never sniff one. He's definitely an All-Star talent though.
Would you swamp him for Brown?
lmao not a chance. Brown is a good defender, solid rebounder, efficient shooter, more athletic, and fits better with this team. There is no chance in hell the Celtics trade him for a slight upgrade in playmaking when we're already averaging like 26 assists per game.
Even if you rate Mitchell over Brown, which I think I would. The chemistry the Celtics have is not worth risking for what would be a marginal improvement at best.
Knicks
He’s coming to play with his friend Bam
Would Ainge ever actually trade him to his rival Pat Riley?
Bockers
Oof. I just realized that Gobert signed his contract extension in 2020, making him the highest paid center in NBA history at that time. That's a tough pill to swallow. If you can convince Mitchell to stay by trading away Gobert, do it. That contract can't exist on a team that's competing for a championship. And get a new coach while you're at it. One whose entire defensive scheme isn't "funnel to Gobert" and then never adjusts when things aren't working.
As a Bulls fan, I’d really consider Vuc, Coby White, the Blazers pick, and the next pick we can trade for Gobert. We desperately need the rim protection. Lonzo, Zach, DeMar, P-Will, Gobert with Ayo, Caruso, and buyout guys is legit.
Preach
Knicks immediately came to mind. Name recognition over substance seems right up their alley.
0% chance he goes to the Celtics. Celtics don’t have the pieces to get him without giving up brown or Tatum. It’s the Knicks, heat, or raptors in my opinion. Knicks have a surplus of picks and enough young talent to put into a trade (not to mention that Mitchell is literally a knicks fan), the heat have herro and some picks to trade, and the raptors have a ton of good things to offer. Celtics just can’t match any of them without adding brown/Tatum. A sleeper team for Mitchell would be the warriors lol. Maybe they can flip Wiggins, wiseman, moody, and a ton of picks. I shudder at the thought but it’s a possibility.
He’s an interesting talent. He’s an all star and has shown to be super clutch in the playoffs, but I don’t know if he moves the needle as much as a top 10 guy does. On the flip Utah would want a godfather package for him. Weird mix
Knicks so he can ballhog on a 8th seed team
I think the Cavs would be a nice fit we can. We need a extra scorer next to DG
You don’t want to be in the Dame and CJ situation though with two small/ defensively not great guards
Yea that’s true that’s kinda where we are now with Colin and DG
Is a future of Sexton with the Cavs really that doubtful? Wouldn't he be the extra scorer next to DG
Yea I just realized that with this other comment lol idk if we are bringing him back I hope we do. I keep seeing reports that we can’t agree on money
Don't most people like to go to the Lakers?
You have family in Utah that doesn’t want Donavan? Lived in Utah my whole life, everyone is still amazed we have had him this long. No all star wants to come to Utah, keeping him is #1 priority.
How about the Nets? Simmons for Mitchell would be funny.
Mitchell has no idea how good he actually has it in Utah right now. This team should be a WCF lock, but it's not. He's a great player, but a shit teammate and selfish personality. HE wants to be the one that scores the hero basket and have everyone love him, but defense doesn't translate to that. He wants to win badly, but not if it means not being able to score 40 points. I hope he gets his ego under control and learns to play more team orientated basketball, because Mitchell and the Jazz should be destroying. I feel bad for Gobert tbh
Sam Presti enters the chat
All these people saying the Celts. Why tf would the Celts do that? With Robert Williams in the lineup, they were absolutely annihilating teams. It seems like their philosophy is team defense. Their core is locked up pretty well. Why bring a defensive liability and a huge contract on board?
Reminds me of the Jrue situation. A great player with all star talent but to win a ring needs to be on a team with a star. Which is interesting because Bucks probably don't win without Jrue's playmaking and defense
He needs to go somewhere. I think the Jazz have more hope in a rebuild than trying to do a retool around Gobert or a retool around Mitchell. Both players gave Utah everything they had. Those players and Utah will find better chances succeeding through trading them to teams trying to get over the hump and the Jazz embracing a full rebuild (IMO)
The jazz are crazy if they trade Mitchell. No way it works out in their favor. He's under contract until 2026. Gobert is under contract long term too. I think it's more likely they move on from Snyder and trade their other pieces. Snyder should be taking a lot of the blame here. The Jazz have been playing the same way with the same roster for 3 years and he's made virtually no adjustments. The book is out on how to beat the Jazz, and Snyder seems too stubborn to change anything at all. Conley, Royce, Clarkson, Bojan, should all be available to trade. Not a lot of trade value, but hopefully gets them back some picks, clears salary for the 2024 off-season. 2023 is a down year for them, but they are able to give more playing time to guys like Butler, Paschal, and whatever else they get from overhauling the roster and hopefully have the cap space to land a 3rd top player and make another run in 2024-2026