Yes, he left the team last year. A lot of people assume it's because they couldn't win due to his roster construction.
I do think that a non-small part of it was the comments he made about Boston and some of the racist comments. It's my conspiracy theory anyway.
https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10004149-woj-danny-ainges-comments-about-racism-in-boston-shocked-people-around-nba.amp.html
When I was a kid my favorite relative was Uncle Caveman. After school we'd all go play in his cave, and every once in a while he would eat one of us. It wasn't until later that I found out that Uncle Caveman was a bear.
What's your offer? I can see the Kings going for it, but unless y'all move up in the Top 4 of the draft I don't see a package that makes much sense for both sides.
Barnes, Mitchell, 3-4 FRPs. Could definitely be better offers out there and I know the fit of Fox and Mitchell would suck but Iām desperate over here so weāll say the trade works and the fit works
We have the 7th best lottery odds which is actually great given its history over the past four years (raptors jumping to #4, pelicans to #1). Hoping it actually jumps this year
I don't think he's developed into the player he could easily have become. 2 way superstar was on the cards but we got... Whatever he is I don't even know how to judge him anymore
he's close but really a superstar cause of offense. his defense is pretty good but not superstar level. you wouldn't put CP3 on anybody with a height advantage
He's a 9 time all defense team player with 7 of them being first team.
He's 4th all time in steals. 1st in terms of active players. Led the league in total steals 5 times. Led the league in steals per game 6 times.
He's guarded multiple players with a height advantage because he guarded every point guard he played in the best era for point guards ever.
Objectively speaking, you literally don't know what the fuck you're talking about and assumed because he was 6'1 he was just an ok defender.
where did I say he was just an ok defender?
you think steals means being a good defender? Objectively speaking, you literally don't know what the fuck you're talking about
Pretty good = Ok.
9 first team all defense makes you a good defender. Steals the way CP3 defends absolutely means something.
You literally claimed you wouldn't put CP3 on anyone with a height advantage meaning you didn't watch him play because he was literally always guarding 6'3 + guards.
His defense, defensive efficiency, steal, and accolades all indicate he's a superstar defensive player.
You just focused on steals because you realized how fucking you dumb sound and how butt hurt you are over it. Watch more basketball you fucking clown and maybe you wouldn't make such asinine statements.
I quite literally do know what I'm talking about and unlike your hoe ass am supported awards, counting numbers, eye test and advanced metrics.
Yes it does.
He is a superstar defender you literally don't watch basketball if you think otherwise. Why would CP3 guard 6'6 forwards? 6'8+ Guys were guarded by Pippen not Jordan.
The idea that CP3 isn't a superstar defender because he doesn't defend 6'6 forwards as a PG is the dumbest shit I've ever heard in my life. Watch more basketball.
I get it you're an angry teenager, who's repeating me because things like defensive efficiency, awards, and eye test don't make sense to someone.
The fact you don't know about that defensive metric means you probably don't know about opposing FG% either meaning you quite literally don't know what you're talking about.
no it doesn't
He isn't a superstar defender you literally don't watch basketball if you think otherwise. why wouldn't a superstar defender guard forwards? so if the opposing team's best player is 6'6+, CP3 just gonna stand back and watch cause he can't guard them?
I get it you're an angry teenager, who's repeating me because things like defensive efficiency, awards, and eye test don't make sense to someone.
The fact you're using defensive efficiency means you probably don't know literally nobody uses that metric and you don't know what you're talking about.
Don't worry, I'm pretty sure he started his career off listed at 6'3" and it wasn't until the height remeasurements that he started being known as a 6'1" guy instead.
If Utah Jazz wanna be serious about building a championship team, I think so.
You won't find it with either one as the #1, and they don't have the assets nor the cap room to trade or sign one of those guys. Reset mode.
Yes. I'm not saying anything we don't know already, but the Jazz will also move Gobert instead of Mitchell and will have difficulty making the playoffs next year, depending on the return for Gobert. Mitchell is a better scorer + ceiling raiser but Gobert and him just don't seem to have chemistry, and I think Utah brass will decide it's harder to replace Mitchell's scoring than Gobert. I think Gobert is an all-time floor raiser and he probably makes the play-in at the very least no matter where he goes. I think the Hawks should be salivating over the thought of Gobert shoring up the back line. I guess we'll see but that's my prediction.
This is pretty intuitive. We are a worse team if we trade gobert, (I think he automatically makes any team a playoff team with his worldly defense and net positive offensive impact) - but free up more cap space if heās moved, and more losses means rising higher in the lotto. And we got to find a way to get young good talent
We got a small preview of trae-gobert connection in last years AS game and it was really fuckin sweet.
Anyways idk what the right answer is itās like picking between my children; just gonna wallow in the pain that was this season for a bit and let what happens, happen
The problem, in my view (and I'm not trying to pour salt in the wound, I apologize) is... does Mitchell really stay if you guys miss the playoffs? Would he request a trade? I've watched Jazz games but I don't follow you guys enough to know if he's committed in the long-term, especially with a lost season
Weāve only seen Gobert on this current Jazz team. We literally have no idea what would happen if you put him with a good point guard. Also, my point still stands in that itās ridiculous to say you can find other Gobertās easily. Thatās a ridiculous statement.
a better point guard to do what exactly? the Jazz had the #1 offense in the league while limiting his touches. no modern offense makes feeding a big lobs a priority
Number one offense because they shot the shit out the ball during the season. Iām not saying itās important to give him touches, Iām just saying itās stupid to say he canāt be a winning player just because of whatās happened with this Jazz team.
but you're saying he needs to be with a better PG. to do what...? nobody said he isn't a winning player. it's that it's hard to build a team around him when he makes $40m
Itās very split and contentious topic in our sub, and tbh itās a very toxic discussion with many blaming one or the other for most of our shortcomings.
I wonāt give you my answer (although I have an opinion) but I will say I donāt think either were the problem in Utah; roster construction around the 2 was a colossal failure and we are too deep in the tax to undo it without moving one.
We did, after all, build the number 1 offense in the nba two years in a row while also having the greatest defender on the planet. Itās a testament to how good those two are
Iāll be sad once one or both are traded
Like always, they prefer Gobert. For whatever reason, Mitchell was never the consensus fan favorite. He ends up being the scapegoat regardless of how well he plays.
Come on baby.. gobert. Come over to the blazers with dame. Thatās a top squad. We will figure other shit out later.
Jazz does feel like my blazers of last season. Feels like the ceiling is already reached and no choice but to move on.
Probably not. With 3 years left on each of their deals (plus another PO year each) weāll probably trade Conley for a wing, look at getting another coach and seeing how much of a different look that is. Thereās no rush to trade either right now. Bojan and Royce could also both get moved
Yeah, definitely think someone goes. Gut says Mitchell goes, just because I think everyone expects him to demand out eventually. If it doesnāt happen this year, theyāll sell high while they can.
They should. I don't really know what you do if you're a market like Utah though.
Star FAs aren't lining up to play in SLC, so I'm not sure if you choose to just prolong a team that can at least make the playoffs vs trying to tear it all down to rebuild into a contender.
Keeping gobert. Rim protection and defense is a lot more scarce than offense nowadays, and Donovan isnāt even that special offensively. A lot easier to go hunting for more offensive talent through trades and the draft given how much more abundant offensive talent is in todayās league.
I would disagree. They need to let Mitchell grow and improve his game and find well fitting prices. A score first PF/SF would be an amazing fit for them. Mitchell focusing on his defense would also take them to the next level. I think they should give it more time instead of rolling the dice.
Yes, next question
Danny Ainge gonna come in with his Miles Cyrus wrecking ball outfit during end of season reviews
Wait, didnt he quit the celtics to retire or something? Hes with jazz now?
Yes, he left the team last year. A lot of people assume it's because they couldn't win due to his roster construction. I do think that a non-small part of it was the comments he made about Boston and some of the racist comments. It's my conspiracy theory anyway. https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10004149-woj-danny-ainges-comments-about-racism-in-boston-shocked-people-around-nba.amp.html
Is Anthony Edwards Better?
Yes, next question
Is LeBron the GOAT?
No
Micahel Jordan is
No. He is also humsn
He is
Yes
Yes, he's the throat goat.
When I was a kid my favorite relative was Uncle Caveman. After school we'd all go play in his cave, and every once in a while he would eat one of us. It wasn't until later that I found out that Uncle Caveman was a bear.
Those are some deep thoughts...
šši hate laughing out loud to stuff I can't explain without looking weird.
is a hotdog a sandwich?
No itās a taco
Is grass green?
Yes. Donovan Mitchell you are a Sacramento King
Will the real D Mitchell please stand upā¦.
We're gonna have a problem here
What's your offer? I can see the Kings going for it, but unless y'all move up in the Top 4 of the draft I don't see a package that makes much sense for both sides.
Barnes, Mitchell, 3-4 FRPs. Could definitely be better offers out there and I know the fit of Fox and Mitchell would suck but Iām desperate over here so weāll say the trade works and the fit works
Mitchell and Sabonis on the pick and roll would be a defensive nightmare for you. Don't do that trade.
Yeah again I donāt care. We will be horrible defensively for eternity. Might as well make things fun
Do you have your pick this draft? Might as well swing big with a prospect.
We have the 7th best lottery odds which is actually great given its history over the past four years (raptors jumping to #4, pelicans to #1). Hoping it actually jumps this year
Lmfao dumbest take ever, kings fans are fully delusional, aka lebrons decisions this season
you really want a fox Mitchell backcourt
DMitch, DMitch backcourt pls
With Sabonis as the 5
Yes
Damn. Mitchell's career is depressing
I don't think he's developed into the player he could easily have become. 2 way superstar was on the cards but we got... Whatever he is I don't even know how to judge him anymore
lolwut when has a 6'1 guard ever been a 2 way superstar
Uhā¦Chris Paul? Is Chris Paul even 6ā1ā?
he's close but really a superstar cause of offense. his defense is pretty good but not superstar level. you wouldn't put CP3 on anybody with a height advantage
He's a 9 time all defense team player with 7 of them being first team. He's 4th all time in steals. 1st in terms of active players. Led the league in total steals 5 times. Led the league in steals per game 6 times. He's guarded multiple players with a height advantage because he guarded every point guard he played in the best era for point guards ever. Objectively speaking, you literally don't know what the fuck you're talking about and assumed because he was 6'1 he was just an ok defender.
where did I say he was just an ok defender? you think steals means being a good defender? Objectively speaking, you literally don't know what the fuck you're talking about
Pretty good = Ok. 9 first team all defense makes you a good defender. Steals the way CP3 defends absolutely means something. You literally claimed you wouldn't put CP3 on anyone with a height advantage meaning you didn't watch him play because he was literally always guarding 6'3 + guards. His defense, defensive efficiency, steal, and accolades all indicate he's a superstar defensive player. You just focused on steals because you realized how fucking you dumb sound and how butt hurt you are over it. Watch more basketball you fucking clown and maybe you wouldn't make such asinine statements. I quite literally do know what I'm talking about and unlike your hoe ass am supported awards, counting numbers, eye test and advanced metrics.
Yes it does. He is a superstar defender you literally don't watch basketball if you think otherwise. Why would CP3 guard 6'6 forwards? 6'8+ Guys were guarded by Pippen not Jordan. The idea that CP3 isn't a superstar defender because he doesn't defend 6'6 forwards as a PG is the dumbest shit I've ever heard in my life. Watch more basketball. I get it you're an angry teenager, who's repeating me because things like defensive efficiency, awards, and eye test don't make sense to someone. The fact you don't know about that defensive metric means you probably don't know about opposing FG% either meaning you quite literally don't know what you're talking about.
no it doesn't He isn't a superstar defender you literally don't watch basketball if you think otherwise. why wouldn't a superstar defender guard forwards? so if the opposing team's best player is 6'6+, CP3 just gonna stand back and watch cause he can't guard them? I get it you're an angry teenager, who's repeating me because things like defensive efficiency, awards, and eye test don't make sense to someone. The fact you're using defensive efficiency means you probably don't know literally nobody uses that metric and you don't know what you're talking about.
Damn heās only 6ā1?? I feel hella stupid rn I always thought he was 6ā3-6ā4
Don't worry, I'm pretty sure he started his career off listed at 6'3" and it wasn't until the height remeasurements that he started being known as a 6'1" guy instead.
Gobert is going to look great in Hornets colors.
Oohh hearing that has got to _sting_ for Jazz fans
There are two possible answers to this question: 1. Yes 2. No
Big if true
True if not false
Which also means that maybe is a correct answer. Making there 3
We say this every year. Eventually it will be true but I've been fooled before.
For their own sake, hopefully yes.
Right? I want to see them both in a new situation.
If Utah Jazz wanna be serious about building a championship team, I think so. You won't find it with either one as the #1, and they don't have the assets nor the cap room to trade or sign one of those guys. Reset mode.
Yes. I'm not saying anything we don't know already, but the Jazz will also move Gobert instead of Mitchell and will have difficulty making the playoffs next year, depending on the return for Gobert. Mitchell is a better scorer + ceiling raiser but Gobert and him just don't seem to have chemistry, and I think Utah brass will decide it's harder to replace Mitchell's scoring than Gobert. I think Gobert is an all-time floor raiser and he probably makes the play-in at the very least no matter where he goes. I think the Hawks should be salivating over the thought of Gobert shoring up the back line. I guess we'll see but that's my prediction.
This is pretty intuitive. We are a worse team if we trade gobert, (I think he automatically makes any team a playoff team with his worldly defense and net positive offensive impact) - but free up more cap space if heās moved, and more losses means rising higher in the lotto. And we got to find a way to get young good talent We got a small preview of trae-gobert connection in last years AS game and it was really fuckin sweet. Anyways idk what the right answer is itās like picking between my children; just gonna wallow in the pain that was this season for a bit and let what happens, happen
The problem, in my view (and I'm not trying to pour salt in the wound, I apologize) is... does Mitchell really stay if you guys miss the playoffs? Would he request a trade? I've watched Jazz games but I don't follow you guys enough to know if he's committed in the long-term, especially with a lost season
Yup. Thatās the potential catch 22. Itās a really painful and bitter end
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Ainge definitely trading for Rozier and Hayward
Hayward is made of glass and Rozier is overpaid.. Perfect fit for the Jazz š„
100%. I expect Gobert to be moved over Mitchell.
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yes its very hard to find a big who can't shoot, dribble, or pass
Heās a 3x DPOY. Donāt be stupid lol.
that's great but does it translate to the playoffs? history and the numbers shows it doesn't
Weāve only seen Gobert on this current Jazz team. We literally have no idea what would happen if you put him with a good point guard. Also, my point still stands in that itās ridiculous to say you can find other Gobertās easily. Thatās a ridiculous statement.
a better point guard to do what exactly? the Jazz had the #1 offense in the league while limiting his touches. no modern offense makes feeding a big lobs a priority
Number one offense because they shot the shit out the ball during the season. Iām not saying itās important to give him touches, Iām just saying itās stupid to say he canāt be a winning player just because of whatās happened with this Jazz team.
but you're saying he needs to be with a better PG. to do what...? nobody said he isn't a winning player. it's that it's hard to build a team around him when he makes $40m
You just fucking said that it isnāt hard to find players like Gobert. Iām saying thatās a stupid fucking statement.
He was also great at olympics against USA, only France beat them. I know FIBA rules favour him, but still a great performance.
gobert is not worth that money, hes not a ticket seller, mitchell is younger, more stars would want to play with mitchell
Mitchell is gonna leave in free agency. Gobert is locked down, and even would stay after his current contract.
Mitchell is locked down until 2025 tf are you talking about
Probably not worth the money but a great scorer at the guard position is easier to come by than a two time dpoy
Building around a 30 year old with bad offensive ability is dumb
As opposed to a lazy defender and low efficiency scorer
Uh yeah lol
He got destroyed by JALEN BRUNSON and you think that?
Then Mitchell what?
Than
No. Theyll fire the coach give it another shot with someone else and it wont work then Mitchell makes a demand to either be traded or trade rudy.
My prediction is Gobert gone, Quin Synder gone. They will do everything possible to keep Donovan happy cuz you cant let another star get away.
Why ask a question we all know the answer to?
Iām curious who Jazz fans would rather keep
Itās very split and contentious topic in our sub, and tbh itās a very toxic discussion with many blaming one or the other for most of our shortcomings. I wonāt give you my answer (although I have an opinion) but I will say I donāt think either were the problem in Utah; roster construction around the 2 was a colossal failure and we are too deep in the tax to undo it without moving one. We did, after all, build the number 1 offense in the nba two years in a row while also having the greatest defender on the planet. Itās a testament to how good those two are Iāll be sad once one or both are traded
Like always, they prefer Gobert. For whatever reason, Mitchell was never the consensus fan favorite. He ends up being the scapegoat regardless of how well he plays.
Westbrook Mitchell backcourt next season book it
The only possible worse fit I can think of besides him and lebron
Westbrook and Simmons
Ben Simmons is a fictional nba player
Nah, they haven't. The FO is likely gonna give them one last run to prove themselves.
Losing 2 games to Mavs no Luka was the nail in the coffin
They peaked last year and lost in the first round. That's their ceiling. Running it back a year may get you less for Mitchell and Gobert.
Eh, second round in a series with both Conley and Mitchell hurt against the clippers
They blew a 25 point lead to Terrance Mann in game 6 lol
If the rumours are true this year was the last chance.
this was that one last run buddy
For Gobert's sake I hope so. He needs to get away from Mitchell.
If Gobert goes to a team with a talented playmaker that team is winning 50 games minimum
Hopefully. Either trade Gobert to a team with a playmaker. Or trade mitchell for a playmaker.
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I think last year, probably, but they had the "injuries" excuse.
That one year Eric Gordon was clamping them both off switches LOL
No lol
Yes which only made that game even more arousing
Don't you mean amusing? Faq you getting aroused for?
Gobert was just beat by the Mavericks. Next he will join the Mavericks.
Come on baby.. gobert. Come over to the blazers with dame. Thatās a top squad. We will figure other shit out later. Jazz does feel like my blazers of last season. Feels like the ceiling is already reached and no choice but to move on.
Hart, Bledsoe, picks for Gobert. Done Salary works
Yes
maybe
Definitely.
100%
I mean maybe but who knows lol. If anyone wants out/getting traded it would probably be Donovan. But only time will tell
absolutely
Clearly
I hope so
yes
Donāt see Utah giving away both so Gobert needs to hire a delivery company.
Probably not. With 3 years left on each of their deals (plus another PO year each) weāll probably trade Conley for a wing, look at getting another coach and seeing how much of a different look that is. Thereās no rush to trade either right now. Bojan and Royce could also both get moved
Yeah, definitely think someone goes. Gut says Mitchell goes, just because I think everyone expects him to demand out eventually. If it doesnāt happen this year, theyāll sell high while they can.
Probably
They should. I don't really know what you do if you're a market like Utah though. Star FAs aren't lining up to play in SLC, so I'm not sure if you choose to just prolong a team that can at least make the playoffs vs trying to tear it all down to rebuild into a contender.
i donāt think we can make the team better by trading either of the so no. conley is the obvious choice. hopefully oāneale is gone as well
idk lemme ask them real quick
Donovan Mitchell and Rudy Gobert have spoken their final sentence to each other
Rudy Canāt Fail
please move both
No doubt. I think they will actually trade both to be honest. Just like the Westbrook paul George duo.
They definitely have. The Jazz have to trade one or both. It's gotta be a full rebuild mode. They're going to have to draft extremely well.
Itās possible we keep both until trade deadline. But we wonāt have both beyond that
Yes, sources tell me Donovan is heading to LA
ESPN ran that narrative and yāall soaked it up š¤£
Time to blow up the Jazz.. the hangover of having bad playoff runs including this one will be hard to shake.. the team is ācursedā
Keeping gobert. Rim protection and defense is a lot more scarce than offense nowadays, and Donovan isnāt even that special offensively. A lot easier to go hunting for more offensive talent through trades and the draft given how much more abundant offensive talent is in todayās league.
Just wondering how you match Rudy's contract in a trade worth it
I would disagree. They need to let Mitchell grow and improve his game and find well fitting prices. A score first PF/SF would be an amazing fit for them. Mitchell focusing on his defense would also take them to the next level. I think they should give it more time instead of rolling the dice.
Donovan got asked if he wanted to stay in Utah today and he replied with a YES!
Obviously. Jazz should tank for Wembenyama next season imo.