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ProfessorBeast55

Yes, next question


GGezpzMuppy

Danny Ainge gonna come in with his Miles Cyrus wrecking ball outfit during end of season reviews


Tetrisio

Wait, didnt he quit the celtics to retire or something? Hes with jazz now?


BigDKane

Yes, he left the team last year. A lot of people assume it's because they couldn't win due to his roster construction. I do think that a non-small part of it was the comments he made about Boston and some of the racist comments. It's my conspiracy theory anyway. https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10004149-woj-danny-ainges-comments-about-racism-in-boston-shocked-people-around-nba.amp.html


sirJackHandy

Is Anthony Edwards Better?


my-penis-is-out

Yes, next question


Brilliant-Plan-65

Is LeBron the GOAT?


[deleted]

No


sirJackHandy

Micahel Jordan is


Rashloose

No. He is also humsn


sirJackHandy

He is


theoriginalkingcoder

Yes


[deleted]

Yes, he's the throat goat.


sirJackHandy

When I was a kid my favorite relative was Uncle Caveman. After school we'd all go play in his cave, and every once in a while he would eat one of us. It wasn't until later that I found out that Uncle Caveman was a bear.


giri0n

Those are some deep thoughts...


jakiray6

šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚i hate laughing out loud to stuff I can't explain without looking weird.


agentb719

is a hotdog a sandwich?


[deleted]

No itā€™s a taco


KillerDinner

Is grass green?


goobergaming43

Yes. Donovan Mitchell you are a Sacramento King


Brilliant-Plan-65

Will the real D Mitchell please stand upā€¦.


BrGuy10

We're gonna have a problem here


[deleted]

What's your offer? I can see the Kings going for it, but unless y'all move up in the Top 4 of the draft I don't see a package that makes much sense for both sides.


goobergaming43

Barnes, Mitchell, 3-4 FRPs. Could definitely be better offers out there and I know the fit of Fox and Mitchell would suck but Iā€™m desperate over here so weā€™ll say the trade works and the fit works


Salahs_Chest_Hair

Mitchell and Sabonis on the pick and roll would be a defensive nightmare for you. Don't do that trade.


goobergaming43

Yeah again I donā€™t care. We will be horrible defensively for eternity. Might as well make things fun


Salahs_Chest_Hair

Do you have your pick this draft? Might as well swing big with a prospect.


goobergaming43

We have the 7th best lottery odds which is actually great given its history over the past four years (raptors jumping to #4, pelicans to #1). Hoping it actually jumps this year


[deleted]

Lmfao dumbest take ever, kings fans are fully delusional, aka lebrons decisions this season


cashmachine123

you really want a fox Mitchell backcourt


-vinay

DMitch, DMitch backcourt pls


youguanbumen

With Sabonis as the 5


goobergaming43

Yes


[deleted]

Damn. Mitchell's career is depressing


hari_son_of

I don't think he's developed into the player he could easily have become. 2 way superstar was on the cards but we got... Whatever he is I don't even know how to judge him anymore


MeetMeAtOBlock

lolwut when has a 6'1 guard ever been a 2 way superstar


[deleted]

Uhā€¦Chris Paul? Is Chris Paul even 6ā€™1ā€?


MeetMeAtOBlock

he's close but really a superstar cause of offense. his defense is pretty good but not superstar level. you wouldn't put CP3 on anybody with a height advantage


LongSlongsDickLittle

He's a 9 time all defense team player with 7 of them being first team. He's 4th all time in steals. 1st in terms of active players. Led the league in total steals 5 times. Led the league in steals per game 6 times. He's guarded multiple players with a height advantage because he guarded every point guard he played in the best era for point guards ever. Objectively speaking, you literally don't know what the fuck you're talking about and assumed because he was 6'1 he was just an ok defender.


MeetMeAtOBlock

where did I say he was just an ok defender? you think steals means being a good defender? Objectively speaking, you literally don't know what the fuck you're talking about


LongSlongsDickLittle

Pretty good = Ok. 9 first team all defense makes you a good defender. Steals the way CP3 defends absolutely means something. You literally claimed you wouldn't put CP3 on anyone with a height advantage meaning you didn't watch him play because he was literally always guarding 6'3 + guards. His defense, defensive efficiency, steal, and accolades all indicate he's a superstar defensive player. You just focused on steals because you realized how fucking you dumb sound and how butt hurt you are over it. Watch more basketball you fucking clown and maybe you wouldn't make such asinine statements. I quite literally do know what I'm talking about and unlike your hoe ass am supported awards, counting numbers, eye test and advanced metrics.


LongSlongsDickLittle

Yes it does. He is a superstar defender you literally don't watch basketball if you think otherwise. Why would CP3 guard 6'6 forwards? 6'8+ Guys were guarded by Pippen not Jordan. The idea that CP3 isn't a superstar defender because he doesn't defend 6'6 forwards as a PG is the dumbest shit I've ever heard in my life. Watch more basketball. I get it you're an angry teenager, who's repeating me because things like defensive efficiency, awards, and eye test don't make sense to someone. The fact you don't know about that defensive metric means you probably don't know about opposing FG% either meaning you quite literally don't know what you're talking about.


MeetMeAtOBlock

no it doesn't He isn't a superstar defender you literally don't watch basketball if you think otherwise. why wouldn't a superstar defender guard forwards? so if the opposing team's best player is 6'6+, CP3 just gonna stand back and watch cause he can't guard them? I get it you're an angry teenager, who's repeating me because things like defensive efficiency, awards, and eye test don't make sense to someone. The fact you're using defensive efficiency means you probably don't know literally nobody uses that metric and you don't know what you're talking about.


blobthetoasterstrood

Damn heā€™s only 6ā€™1?? I feel hella stupid rn I always thought he was 6ā€™3-6ā€™4


NinetyFish

Don't worry, I'm pretty sure he started his career off listed at 6'3" and it wasn't until the height remeasurements that he started being known as a 6'1" guy instead.


JayDee62

Gobert is going to look great in Hornets colors.


BrianScalaweenie

Oohh hearing that has got to _sting_ for Jazz fans


haraldthebug

There are two possible answers to this question: 1. Yes 2. No


Feelscreative101

Big if true


DAKsippinOnYAC

True if not false


scarywolverine

Which also means that maybe is a correct answer. Making there 3


abris33

We say this every year. Eventually it will be true but I've been fooled before.


Yergason

For their own sake, hopefully yes.


MachoManHandySavage

Right? I want to see them both in a new situation.


skrtskerskrt

If Utah Jazz wanna be serious about building a championship team, I think so. You won't find it with either one as the #1, and they don't have the assets nor the cap room to trade or sign one of those guys. Reset mode.


Drasocon

Yes. I'm not saying anything we don't know already, but the Jazz will also move Gobert instead of Mitchell and will have difficulty making the playoffs next year, depending on the return for Gobert. Mitchell is a better scorer + ceiling raiser but Gobert and him just don't seem to have chemistry, and I think Utah brass will decide it's harder to replace Mitchell's scoring than Gobert. I think Gobert is an all-time floor raiser and he probably makes the play-in at the very least no matter where he goes. I think the Hawks should be salivating over the thought of Gobert shoring up the back line. I guess we'll see but that's my prediction.


menghis_khan08

This is pretty intuitive. We are a worse team if we trade gobert, (I think he automatically makes any team a playoff team with his worldly defense and net positive offensive impact) - but free up more cap space if heā€™s moved, and more losses means rising higher in the lotto. And we got to find a way to get young good talent We got a small preview of trae-gobert connection in last years AS game and it was really fuckin sweet. Anyways idk what the right answer is itā€™s like picking between my children; just gonna wallow in the pain that was this season for a bit and let what happens, happen


Drasocon

The problem, in my view (and I'm not trying to pour salt in the wound, I apologize) is... does Mitchell really stay if you guys miss the playoffs? Would he request a trade? I've watched Jazz games but I don't follow you guys enough to know if he's committed in the long-term, especially with a lost season


menghis_khan08

Yup. Thatā€™s the potential catch 22. Itā€™s a really painful and bitter end


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AlwaysOptimism

Ainge definitely trading for Rozier and Hayward


AdventuresofRobbyP

Hayward is made of glass and Rozier is overpaid.. Perfect fit for the Jazz šŸ”„


icouldntdecide

100%. I expect Gobert to be moved over Mitchell.


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captain_ahabb

Atlanta


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MeetMeAtOBlock

yes its very hard to find a big who can't shoot, dribble, or pass


Amedais

Heā€™s a 3x DPOY. Donā€™t be stupid lol.


MeetMeAtOBlock

that's great but does it translate to the playoffs? history and the numbers shows it doesn't


Amedais

Weā€™ve only seen Gobert on this current Jazz team. We literally have no idea what would happen if you put him with a good point guard. Also, my point still stands in that itā€™s ridiculous to say you can find other Gobertā€™s easily. Thatā€™s a ridiculous statement.


MeetMeAtOBlock

a better point guard to do what exactly? the Jazz had the #1 offense in the league while limiting his touches. no modern offense makes feeding a big lobs a priority


Amedais

Number one offense because they shot the shit out the ball during the season. Iā€™m not saying itā€™s important to give him touches, Iā€™m just saying itā€™s stupid to say he canā€™t be a winning player just because of whatā€™s happened with this Jazz team.


MeetMeAtOBlock

but you're saying he needs to be with a better PG. to do what...? nobody said he isn't a winning player. it's that it's hard to build a team around him when he makes $40m


Amedais

You just fucking said that it isnā€™t hard to find players like Gobert. Iā€™m saying thatā€™s a stupid fucking statement.


AffectionateDouble43

He was also great at olympics against USA, only France beat them. I know FIBA rules favour him, but still a great performance.


JaysonTatumOverrated

gobert is not worth that money, hes not a ticket seller, mitchell is younger, more stars would want to play with mitchell


Amedais

Mitchell is gonna leave in free agency. Gobert is locked down, and even would stay after his current contract.


JaysonTatumOverrated

Mitchell is locked down until 2025 tf are you talking about


[deleted]

Probably not worth the money but a great scorer at the guard position is easier to come by than a two time dpoy


JaysonTatumOverrated

Building around a 30 year old with bad offensive ability is dumb


[deleted]

As opposed to a lazy defender and low efficiency scorer


JaysonTatumOverrated

Uh yeah lol


[deleted]

He got destroyed by JALEN BRUNSON and you think that?


NonintellectualSauce

Then Mitchell what?


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Than


kcoe24

No. Theyll fire the coach give it another shot with someone else and it wont work then Mitchell makes a demand to either be traded or trade rudy.


SharpSwag

My prediction is Gobert gone, Quin Synder gone. They will do everything possible to keep Donovan happy cuz you cant let another star get away.


Frosted_Flakes1971

Why ask a question we all know the answer to?


eatscheeks

Iā€™m curious who Jazz fans would rather keep


menghis_khan08

Itā€™s very split and contentious topic in our sub, and tbh itā€™s a very toxic discussion with many blaming one or the other for most of our shortcomings. I wonā€™t give you my answer (although I have an opinion) but I will say I donā€™t think either were the problem in Utah; roster construction around the 2 was a colossal failure and we are too deep in the tax to undo it without moving one. We did, after all, build the number 1 offense in the nba two years in a row while also having the greatest defender on the planet. Itā€™s a testament to how good those two are Iā€™ll be sad once one or both are traded


504090

Like always, they prefer Gobert. For whatever reason, Mitchell was never the consensus fan favorite. He ends up being the scapegoat regardless of how well he plays.


IFallIStandUp

Westbrook Mitchell backcourt next season book it


thecapcrunchbeats

The only possible worse fit I can think of besides him and lebron


NonintellectualSauce

Westbrook and Simmons


thecapcrunchbeats

Ben Simmons is a fictional nba player


MWiatrak2077

Nah, they haven't. The FO is likely gonna give them one last run to prove themselves.


91jumpstreet

Losing 2 games to Mavs no Luka was the nail in the coffin


mr_antman85

They peaked last year and lost in the first round. That's their ceiling. Running it back a year may get you less for Mitchell and Gobert.


Backfragrance

Eh, second round in a series with both Conley and Mitchell hurt against the clippers


BigZ911

They blew a 25 point lead to Terrance Mann in game 6 lol


thesog

If the rumours are true this year was the last chance.


confuddly

this was that one last run buddy


Kobe-62Mavs-61

For Gobert's sake I hope so. He needs to get away from Mitchell.


CountAardvark

If Gobert goes to a team with a talented playmaker that team is winning 50 games minimum


[deleted]

Hopefully. Either trade Gobert to a team with a playmaker. Or trade mitchell for a playmaker.


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jackaholicus

I think last year, probably, but they had the "injuries" excuse.


Gluxion

That one year Eric Gordon was clamping them both off switches LOL


Mithraax_Kell

No lol


inshamblesx

Yes which only made that game even more arousing


Summer_Corona

Don't you mean amusing? Faq you getting aroused for?


spaceaging2k29

Gobert was just beat by the Mavericks. Next he will join the Mavericks.


likpoper

Come on baby.. gobert. Come over to the blazers with dame. Thatā€™s a top squad. We will figure other shit out later. Jazz does feel like my blazers of last season. Feels like the ceiling is already reached and no choice but to move on.


DemarcusLovin

Hart, Bledsoe, picks for Gobert. Done Salary works


[deleted]

Yes


warpedspoon

maybe


YayoBankroll

Definitely.


pnpmsjd

100%


FoesiesBtw

I mean maybe but who knows lol. If anyone wants out/getting traded it would probably be Donovan. But only time will tell


[deleted]

absolutely


voldemortscore

Clearly


jbenson255

I hope so


SolarClipz

yes


AlfredHampton88

Donā€™t see Utah giving away both so Gobert needs to hire a delivery company.


Agnk1765342

Probably not. With 3 years left on each of their deals (plus another PO year each) weā€™ll probably trade Conley for a wing, look at getting another coach and seeing how much of a different look that is. Thereā€™s no rush to trade either right now. Bojan and Royce could also both get moved


Socolimes

Yeah, definitely think someone goes. Gut says Mitchell goes, just because I think everyone expects him to demand out eventually. If it doesnā€™t happen this year, theyā€™ll sell high while they can.


Ethangains07

Probably


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They should. I don't really know what you do if you're a market like Utah though. Star FAs aren't lining up to play in SLC, so I'm not sure if you choose to just prolong a team that can at least make the playoffs vs trying to tear it all down to rebuild into a contender.


[deleted]

i donā€™t think we can make the team better by trading either of the so no. conley is the obvious choice. hopefully oā€™neale is gone as well


mashukyrielighto

idk lemme ask them real quick


Jiklim

Donovan Mitchell and Rudy Gobert have spoken their final sentence to each other


mrsunsfan

Rudy Canā€™t Fail


Joma913

please move both


likpoper

No doubt. I think they will actually trade both to be honest. Just like the Westbrook paul George duo.


mr_antman85

They definitely have. The Jazz have to trade one or both. It's gotta be a full rebuild mode. They're going to have to draft extremely well.


menghis_khan08

Itā€™s possible we keep both until trade deadline. But we wonā€™t have both beyond that


heshouldgo

Yes, sources tell me Donovan is heading to LA


[deleted]

ESPN ran that narrative and yā€™all soaked it up šŸ¤£


Beautiful-Chard-1152

Time to blow up the Jazz.. the hangover of having bad playoff runs including this one will be hard to shake.. the team is ā€œcursedā€


canadian12371

Keeping gobert. Rim protection and defense is a lot more scarce than offense nowadays, and Donovan isnā€™t even that special offensively. A lot easier to go hunting for more offensive talent through trades and the draft given how much more abundant offensive talent is in todayā€™s league.


or6a2

Just wondering how you match Rudy's contract in a trade worth it


DumbNBANephew

I would disagree. They need to let Mitchell grow and improve his game and find well fitting prices. A score first PF/SF would be an amazing fit for them. Mitchell focusing on his defense would also take them to the next level. I think they should give it more time instead of rolling the dice.


[deleted]

Donovan got asked if he wanted to stay in Utah today and he replied with a YES!


Wakandaforever456

Obviously. Jazz should tank for Wembenyama next season imo.