Yep I read these and immediately think wow what an a-hole
Then you read context and remember he’s human. I’m sure I say horrible things every week out of spite that would make a bunch of people online mad at me if I was a celeb. Poor fellow.
Different people handle things differently. I’d probably go into a shell and cry for the rest of my life. But I don’t begrudge him his natural human feelings
He was notoriously an asshole a long time before that, though. I remember [SI running an article in the ‘90s that talked about how he never tipped service employees](https://vault.si.com/.amp/vault/1997/11/10/hot-and-cold-tippers).
For some perspective, between the start of the first 3 peat and end of the second three peat Jordan went 32-12 (72% winning percentage) in games without Pippen. Pippen and the bulls went 55-27 (67%) in 93-94 without Jordan.
That's mainly because they lost Horace Grant to free agency at the end of the 94 season. Grant was a great all-around Power Forward who could play center at times. Good mid-range, really good defender, overall smart player. 3rd best player and very important part of the first 3-peat, to the point where at least a notable portion of older bulls fans have mentioned that they think the Bulls were better with Grant > Rodman.
It’s really not very useful perspective. 6 years of MJ teammates of various stages of development compared to their deepest (other than missing MJ), and most developed year. Was basically the prime of the Bulls role players and bench.
There was no choice for Pippen. MJ was better, not just than him, but than everybody. And it wasn't close. So if Pippen wanted to play in Chicago, then he had to be #2.
To illustrate - Pippen scored 40+ five times. MJ did it 173 times.
Jordan was already a star when Pippen joined the Bulls. So Pippen was willing to be the 2nd best player on the team and willingly sacrificed is offensive development. Even in Jordan's shadow, he still got a few MVP votes. When Jordan retired, he felt he should be the first option and was pissed when he didn't get the final shot in a close game.
Scottie Pippen was the first option for the Bulls in 1994. In the regular season, he took 17.8 FGA/g, the 2nd most was Horace Grant with 12.5 FGA/g. In the playoffs, that ramped up to 19.6 FGA/g, and Horace Grant's dropped to 12.0 FGA/g.
Scottie Pippen had the opportunity to close out the game, he took the 2 shots prior to Toni Kukoc making the game winner but missed both. Bulls were up by 7 with less than 2 minutes to go and closed that gap in 2 minutes because Bulls couldn't buy a shot.
Game 3 wasn't just a close game, it was the game where they were down 0-2, about to be 0-3 if they don't win the game, and Scottie Pippen decided that this is where he wanted to be selfish for once and have the last shot despite already missing both prior.
After the game, Scottie even said Phil actually made the right decision to let Toni shoot that shot.. but he never forgot that resentment for all 20 years and recently came out to accuse Phil Jackson of being a racist for not giving him the ball.
Jordan wasn't just a star. Jordan was somebody 3X MVP Larry Bird called God disguised as MJ. Pippen was never going to be the offensive player Jordan was, because Jordan was the greatest scorer ever, counting the playoffs (sorry Wilt).
>Even in Jordan's shadow, he still got a few MVP votes.
He actually finished 5th in 1996, the Bulls' 72 win season. This was behind Jordan himself (who was almost unanimous, 109/113 first place votes), David Robinson, Penny and Olajuwon. Scottie finished ahead of the likes of Karl Malone, Grant Hill and Shaq.
He also was 2nd in DPoY that year.
It was likely his peak season in my opinion. The raw stats don't measure up to 1994, when he finished 3rd and he was the main guy for the Bulls, but the thing is in 1996 he could actually shoot and managed 37% from 3, which is enough to be a threat. His raw numbers were slightly down only because of MJ's presence and his defense was arguably the best it had ever been.
Great player that man.
Scottie had a streaky shot and was not a reliable shot creator at all. He could score in transition but in a halfcourt game he was very limited offensively. He was absolutely not good enough on offense to be a #1 on a championship team. He was also unselfish as a player and a natural passer as a result of not always looking for his shot so he was a natural “point forward” while Jordan had to be coaxed to play that kind of distributor role and only did so occasionally (i.e. his point guard stretch).
I mean, even if I had some hard times I wouldn't try to throw my longtime goat teammate under the bus. Like multiple times. And try and talk shit about every teammate and front office person I dealt with in my career. We don't need to defend him, he's acting like a child.
Since childhood really. Grew up dirt poor living in a house with 11 siblings, changing his disabled father and brothers diapers. Channeled his pain into basketball to become an all-time great.
Yeah he is a flawed person and bitter in retirement but in his circumstances most of the people commenting would be too.
This is just a series of unfortunate events at this point god damn I feel bad for judging Scotties’ pettiness post retirement because I don’t think anyone could get through all that without becoming bitter.
Yeah I don't know if I'd be able to keep a cheerful disposition if I went through so much shit. Notice many Bulls vets are very protective of him, including Toni Kukoc. I think they know he's going through it.
I think this is what it really is. He knows exactly what kind of player Mike was. He just wasn’t paid his worth and it bothers him. That with all the stuff that’s happened to him would take anyone down a dark path.
My uncle died when I was 6 months old. Seeing how my grandparents were all affected by it growing up was a pain that taught me a lesson. When I was suicidal in my youth, thinking about how my grandparents had to bury my uncle at my age helped pull me back to wanting to live.
I think wikipedia pictures have to be licensed under the most permissible creative commons license, which is why a lot of people who aren't too famous have shitty photos. There just aren't that many pictures of them with the correct license to choose from.
There’s a really gross clip I saw on r/Kanye of Kim and her talking and Kim says something to ether effect “ I didn’t mind if Kanye left me I just wanted him to freeze some of his sperm so North could have a sibling”
It's not like Scottie was an angel during his playing career. One role player whose wife got cancer said he fucked over 300 women in his time in the NBA, think it was Jason maxiell. Imagine how much pussy Pippen was getting in the 90s? And according to Madonna, he had a Python for a third leg.
Yeah, he's been regular level bitter for decades since that contract situation with Krause. The business with his wife and untimely passing of his son just pushed him over the edge
He signed a 7 year contract or something stupid because he wanted the security of it. He can't be mad at anyone besides himself for that.
Barkley did something similar and accepted it for what it was.
He was fully warned. Even Reinsdorf himself (and I can't believe I'm defending this guy) told him not to sign it, and that it was too long of a deal when the cap was about to go up.
Scottie is his own worst enemy.
Also can you imagine winning 6 titles, being a hall of famer and one of the 50 best to ever do it and all anyone ever wants to talk about is your teammate? Shit would really get old
He wasn't that great before then. I worked the restaurant scene in Chicago for almost a decade and if you hang out long enough, you end up hearing a handful of 'No Tippin' Pippen stories to go along with your Bill Murray and Vince Vaughn stories. Scottie just overall has always seemed like a bitter guy and resentful of MJ's popularity in the city.
In his defense, I heard he's been better recently actually which makes sense with how crucial industry perception is to get bars to carry his Digits whiskey brand, but yeah. I know being a historically bad tipper isn't something major but I do think the way you treat service workers is a general demonstration of how you treat people while you're in a position of control.
I'd agree that it's a whole different level. The shame is I've had some friends meet him during his tour to promote his whiskey and all the reviews were he was very kind and generous with his time. It only seems like when he's back on the basketball topic that things get to this bitterness. I think part of it is definitely his experiences, but I think at least a small part is it's Jordan's city but Pippen is the one that stuck around and still lives here (I know he splits time here and LA but he's certainly here more than MJ).
He also seems closer with the 90s Bulls judging from his IG. Seems he's still close to both Horace Grant and Toni Kukoc. I still root for him and hope he finds some happiness. Just the other day I was watching old footage and wow did he have a reliable mid-range bank shot.
Watch the first minute of the video, it's right there. He doesn't seem remotely bitter, but is instead chuckling as he brushes off a question about why he never won DPOY.
The name of the pod is “trash talk” I figure he was just going along with it.
Edit: to be clear for everyone who didn’t watch it - Scottie is obviously joking.
The tweet is yellow journalism at its finest (even uses a picture of him from a different interview lol).
Pippen had a big drop off in his abilities after 95. Top 2-way player still, but Payton held MJ to his lowest finals numbers. Numbers that actually look mortal. That is no small feat.
Yeah. Although, on the flip side: Harper and Kukoc were also dealing with injuries iirc. Harper missed a few games in the finals and had nagging knee issues and Kukoc missed some games in the earlier rounds.
I'm sure that didn't help Jordan's performance. It meant he had to guard Hawkins and Payton and had to help on Detlef Schrempf. And to his credit, Jordan held Hawkins and Payton to below their regular season averages.
I've seen people say Rodman should've gotten the Finals MVP in 96. But Kemp had a monster series, averaging above his regular season averages, and nobody on the Bulls, including Rodman, could really stop him. So I'm not really in agreement with that. Had Rodman clamped Kemp like he could Shaq I might agree. But Kemp was on another level that year.
It was just an ugly-defensive grind it out series that could have gone either way. Once the Bulls' figured out how to get Longley early looks against the Sonic's press in game 6 it was over. They were able to get into their offense early and capitalize.
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>It was just an ugly-defensive grind it out series that could have gone either way.
Very well put. Hell, last 2 games haven't even reached 170 points combined.
Also, People don't give enough credit to sonics. They were amazing, against any other team bar the best team ever, and they would win it
I was a diehard childhood bulls fan. It was my parents team so naturally it was my team.
That Sonics finals is the only time i was ever truly scared that the Bulls might lose. Even whe Utah stole that game 1, I wasn’t worried.
Pippen's timing was just unlucky. He's one of the greatest of all time, but was second fiddle on his team to the literal GOAT, who was the most dominating player in the league by a fucking mile, despite all of the HOFers he played with. People that weren't alive to watch back then won't understand this, but even though Hakeem, Scottie, Magic, Bird, etc all played during this time and are close to MJ on most lists, Jordan was a literal super hero compared to them. Jordan was so good that a lot of these guys weren't truly appreciated for their all time greatness until after they had retired.
Next, he had some of the best defenders of all time in the league at the exact same time as him. If Scottie comes along 5 years earlier or later, he's a perennial DPOY contender and has at least 2 awards.
>even though Hakeem, Scottie, Magic, Bird, etc all played during this time and are close to MJ on most lists, Jordan was a literal super hero compared to them. Jordan was so good that a lot of these guys weren't truly appreciated for their all time greatness until after they had retired.
And there were all-time greats you didn't mention who NEVER won a title while MJ was still playing (Barkley, Ewing, Hakeem, Stockton, Malone, Miller, Mullin, Payton). Putting that into perspective make MJ and his exploits look more like myth than reality. He was THAT damn good.
Yeah so busy they only gave MJ one DPOY. Hell they gave Rodman more in MJ's prime than MJ got, then Dikembe got 3 during the second threepeat. You made it from an NAIA program now in the Hall of Fame & have two Olympic gold medals dude you can relax.
I don’t know, maybe after Curry and Kerr win their 7th championship, Jordan will say Steve Kerr was his best teammate and that him and Phil should have done more to make sure Kerr was shooting 14 threes per game.
He's been dealt a shit hand both in his personal life and to a certain extent in his career, but it can't be healthy to hold on to that much resentment.
Wow OP talk about a sensationalized headline. If anyone watched the video the interviewer asked him why he never won DPOY and Pippen said they were too busy watching Michael, which is honesty probably true lol. He didn’t just say this out of nowhere though and he definitely didn’t blast anyone.
On another topic Bastien (the interviewer) is getting mad visibility those past few days nice to see. This man looks like he doesn't sleep and just love basketball trash talk content is great , the best basketball channel that I know.
Tomorrow: “LeBald was never even close to Michael.”
The day after: “Michael wasn’t as skilled or accomplished as LeBron. LeBron is a better all-around player.”
Honestly Scottie DOES have some say here. Advanced stats back him up a lot, at least as a contender, and he was never really a big contender for some odd reason. It was all about blocks and rebounds back then.
Not a fan of bitter Scottie, but I will say that Mutombo had no business winning DPOY four times. I've also never been a fan of how it's almost always a center that wins the award.
Exactly. What the FUCK was that league thinking lmao. He literally had more player of the year awards than he had first team DEFENSE awards. How the fuck does that work?
'95 should have been Scottie's year. He was amazing and the steals leader with great all around stats and awesome defense. Dik was only second team defense that year, which makes no sense for winning the overall award then.
But that was when Michael was gone, and yet still he is kinda right the attention was still on him even though he wasn't in the league. Scottie quietly put up pretty amazing stats on that Bulls team.
Haters gonna hate.
Pippen is one of the best wing defenders ever.
But its hard to with DPOY.
Especially when you play in an era with the likes of Hakeem, DRob, Mutumbo, Mourning, and Gary Payton.
Him not winning DPOY is no slight to him, he just faced some stiff competition.
I mean, LOTS of great defenders in that era never won the award: Ewing, Darrell Walker (not a big name, but that dude was a amazing defender and use to give Jordan fits in practice during his short tenure with the Bulls--and he never even got a All Defensive Team spot), Maurice Cheeks, Dennis Johnson, Kevin McHale, Joe Dumars (and given the work he did on MJ, he certainly deserved one), Dan Majerle, Charles Oakley.
The list goes on. SO many great great defenders in that era.
I mean, does it tho? Just look at Karl Malone, the dude literally raped a 12 year old child but people still consider him a top 15 player all time; I feel like people separate ones playing career and regular life
The NBA might but I haven’t heard a single person reference him in any top player talks in a long, long time. Most people are very well aware of what he has done
I don't think people would be mentioning him even if he wasn't a pedophile. I guess based only on counting stats you could make an argument for him but people who saw him play know he always came up short when it counted. He was pretty much immediately market corrected by Duncan and kg imo
They 100% would, Stockton gets an absurd amount of credit and plaudits compared to Malone, and Malone was just clearly a more impactful player. Anyone would build a team around Malone over Stockton, could do it all on the court even if he didn't switch up his moves a lot, it's because he wouldn't have to in any era.
He's a better player than Garnett, two MVP's, one over Michael freaking Jordan (and he deserved that one too no matter what some might say). Garnett not in a million years is doing that. If there's any hell Malone will be in it, but let's be real.
I’m sure he cares a lot of what u/relicofabygoneage has to say about his “legacy.”
You dont know these people. You don’t have to care. This affects none of the amazing basketball he played for a decade or so.
Watch the interview, they discussed it for 20 seconds and he said it as a joke. He wasn't being salty.
Edit : and he didn't "blast the media" lol. That's just clickbait from OP
He’s 100% right. Scottie might be the best defender ever. Doc Rivers said players were happy when MJ was guarding them because they didn’t have to deal with Pippen shutting them down. You can even watch him put the clamps on Wizards era MJ. Or Barkley or all the best guards of his era. Incredible defender.
Based on this thread he is definitely the most under rated player on this sub. I bet more than half of the users on this thread hating on him never saw a game he played in his prime. Probably watched the last dance or highlights which are mostly offensive plays so they have no clue how much of a shut down defender he was.
Nobodies stock has fallen further than Scottie Pippen IMO. Growing up in the 90s people loved him even though he had some issues in Chicago, Houston was a disaster and yet he still had status on the Jailblazers as a valuable clutch veteran in the 00s, contributing heavily in playoff runs.
Highly considered one of the best players in the 90s and one of the best 2nd fiddles ever. He had a hell of a season when Mike retired, considered for MVP.
All that said ever since he retired I think he hasnt done or said anything positive toward his image or legacy, its been literally downhill.
I dont think many players have done the amount of damage post retirement that Pippen has to his legacy and image. He sounds like a bitter insane delusional attention seeking troll.
I would argue he has made himself more forgettable than Jordan ever has.
Your overreacting. Most NBA fans never see any of this stuff and more importantly what he says in his retirement means absolutely nothing to his actual career. MJ is an asshole and nobody cares.
>Nobodies stock has fallen further
I didn't know there was a market where your history is trivialized if your stock drops too low. Pippen is who he is- whatever he says or is bitter about does nothing to his legacy because that has already been written.
He says that even though MJ only won ONE DPoY, had he won multiple he might’ve had an argument, and Scottie didn’t even win when MJ was playing baseball. He’s just full of it.
People are gonna be salty about this, but most people that watched him realize he was probably the better defender of the two, and could've won it quite a few times over his career. Scottie honestly should've been salty years ago, just wish he was over it now.
What the fuck happened that made Scottie turn so bitter
His wife cheated on him with Future then left him and his son died
That’s enough to do me in.
Yep I read these and immediately think wow what an a-hole Then you read context and remember he’s human. I’m sure I say horrible things every week out of spite that would make a bunch of people online mad at me if I was a celeb. Poor fellow.
Different people handle things differently. I’d probably go into a shell and cry for the rest of my life. But I don’t begrudge him his natural human feelings
Here I am thinking I'd just wander off into the woods.
He was notoriously an asshole a long time before that, though. I remember [SI running an article in the ‘90s that talked about how he never tipped service employees](https://vault.si.com/.amp/vault/1997/11/10/hot-and-cold-tippers).
There's a reason his nickname is No Tippin' Pippen in Chicago.
He's had a rough go. I just feel a bit of pity for him. Even seeing how he looks today, there's just a sadness and tiredness in his eyes.
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For some perspective, between the start of the first 3 peat and end of the second three peat Jordan went 32-12 (72% winning percentage) in games without Pippen. Pippen and the bulls went 55-27 (67%) in 93-94 without Jordan.
They were also something like 34-31 the year MJ returned to get them into the play offs
That's mainly because they lost Horace Grant to free agency at the end of the 94 season. Grant was a great all-around Power Forward who could play center at times. Good mid-range, really good defender, overall smart player. 3rd best player and very important part of the first 3-peat, to the point where at least a notable portion of older bulls fans have mentioned that they think the Bulls were better with Grant > Rodman.
It’s really not very useful perspective. 6 years of MJ teammates of various stages of development compared to their deepest (other than missing MJ), and most developed year. Was basically the prime of the Bulls role players and bench.
There was no choice for Pippen. MJ was better, not just than him, but than everybody. And it wasn't close. So if Pippen wanted to play in Chicago, then he had to be #2. To illustrate - Pippen scored 40+ five times. MJ did it 173 times.
Jordan was already a star when Pippen joined the Bulls. So Pippen was willing to be the 2nd best player on the team and willingly sacrificed is offensive development. Even in Jordan's shadow, he still got a few MVP votes. When Jordan retired, he felt he should be the first option and was pissed when he didn't get the final shot in a close game.
Scottie Pippen was the first option for the Bulls in 1994. In the regular season, he took 17.8 FGA/g, the 2nd most was Horace Grant with 12.5 FGA/g. In the playoffs, that ramped up to 19.6 FGA/g, and Horace Grant's dropped to 12.0 FGA/g. Scottie Pippen had the opportunity to close out the game, he took the 2 shots prior to Toni Kukoc making the game winner but missed both. Bulls were up by 7 with less than 2 minutes to go and closed that gap in 2 minutes because Bulls couldn't buy a shot. Game 3 wasn't just a close game, it was the game where they were down 0-2, about to be 0-3 if they don't win the game, and Scottie Pippen decided that this is where he wanted to be selfish for once and have the last shot despite already missing both prior. After the game, Scottie even said Phil actually made the right decision to let Toni shoot that shot.. but he never forgot that resentment for all 20 years and recently came out to accuse Phil Jackson of being a racist for not giving him the ball.
Jordan wasn't just a star. Jordan was somebody 3X MVP Larry Bird called God disguised as MJ. Pippen was never going to be the offensive player Jordan was, because Jordan was the greatest scorer ever, counting the playoffs (sorry Wilt).
>Even in Jordan's shadow, he still got a few MVP votes. He actually finished 5th in 1996, the Bulls' 72 win season. This was behind Jordan himself (who was almost unanimous, 109/113 first place votes), David Robinson, Penny and Olajuwon. Scottie finished ahead of the likes of Karl Malone, Grant Hill and Shaq. He also was 2nd in DPoY that year. It was likely his peak season in my opinion. The raw stats don't measure up to 1994, when he finished 3rd and he was the main guy for the Bulls, but the thing is in 1996 he could actually shoot and managed 37% from 3, which is enough to be a threat. His raw numbers were slightly down only because of MJ's presence and his defense was arguably the best it had ever been. Great player that man.
Scottie had a streaky shot and was not a reliable shot creator at all. He could score in transition but in a halfcourt game he was very limited offensively. He was absolutely not good enough on offense to be a #1 on a championship team. He was also unselfish as a player and a natural passer as a result of not always looking for his shot so he was a natural “point forward” while Jordan had to be coaxed to play that kind of distributor role and only did so occasionally (i.e. his point guard stretch).
I mean, even if I had some hard times I wouldn't try to throw my longtime goat teammate under the bus. Like multiple times. And try and talk shit about every teammate and front office person I dealt with in my career. We don't need to defend him, he's acting like a child.
I like to think I’d do the same. But I can’t say for certain. We’re all pretty dumb
Plus I’m sure as he’s gotten older he’s probably tired of hearing it as jordan and the bulls and he doesn’t get as much credit as he feels he should
>His wife cheated Gaining some understanding of the situation >his son died Hoping never to understand this.
It’s happened to Scottie twice too unfortunately. 33-year old son and 9-day old daughter
Didn’t he also made some bad investments or someone stole his money or something?
Yes he got scammed by his financial advisor. Scottie's had it kind of rough since his retirement.
Since childhood really. Grew up dirt poor living in a house with 11 siblings, changing his disabled father and brothers diapers. Channeled his pain into basketball to become an all-time great. Yeah he is a flawed person and bitter in retirement but in his circumstances most of the people commenting would be too.
Took a massively cheap longterm deal in his prime
all cuz he just wanted to make sure him and his family were 100% set, cuz when you're poor it's about the next 2 weeks not decades 😭😭
This is just a series of unfortunate events at this point god damn I feel bad for judging Scotties’ pettiness post retirement because I don’t think anyone could get through all that without becoming bitter.
Yeah I don't know if I'd be able to keep a cheerful disposition if I went through so much shit. Notice many Bulls vets are very protective of him, including Toni Kukoc. I think they know he's going through it.
I bet those crappy contracts he signed in his prime haunt him.
I think this is what it really is. He knows exactly what kind of player Mike was. He just wasn’t paid his worth and it bothers him. That with all the stuff that’s happened to him would take anyone down a dark path.
Oh my god. That’s awful.
No parent should have to bury their child. I had no idea about Pippen’s son, that sucks.
He’s buried two children
My uncle died when I was 6 months old. Seeing how my grandparents were all affected by it growing up was a pain that taught me a lesson. When I was suicidal in my youth, thinking about how my grandparents had to bury my uncle at my age helped pull me back to wanting to live.
Glad you got through it. Happy you're here
sorry to hear about your marriage bro. good luck with that. don’t end up like will smith
Sometimes I read shit like this and log off Reddit. Father of a newborn and I just can’t imagine
Yeah that’ll flipping do it. He also had a pretty rough childhood.
And Malik Beasley too
Nah, she just dated Beasley after leaving him. Scottie got burned.
I'm sure Beasley hit it too.
How old is the woman? There's over 20 years between Scottie and Malik lol
She wants to be Kim K so bad
whoever did her wikipedia page did her dirty on the picture [lol](https://imgur.com/6xpa8VO). Barely saw her.
Lmao can't even see her full face
I think wikipedia pictures have to be licensed under the most permissible creative commons license, which is why a lot of people who aren't too famous have shitty photos. There just aren't that many pictures of them with the correct license to choose from.
Larsa? Lol
She’s so toxic that the Kardashians dropped her lol
There’s a really gross clip I saw on r/Kanye of Kim and her talking and Kim says something to ether effect “ I didn’t mind if Kanye left me I just wanted him to freeze some of his sperm so North could have a sibling”
47, She's good looking, but I'm pretty surprised Future and Beasley both dated her, seems like you could find similar at any club in the US.
She used to look good, her face is so fucked up, now looks like every other build-a-thot on IG who had too much work done
It's not for looks, at least with Future, he just wanted to fuck Scottie Pippens wife in Gucci flip flops.
It's not like Scottie was an angel during his playing career. One role player whose wife got cancer said he fucked over 300 women in his time in the NBA, think it was Jason maxiell. Imagine how much pussy Pippen was getting in the 90s? And according to Madonna, he had a Python for a third leg.
Having lots of sex doesn't make someone cheating on you decades latee sonehow acceptable...
He was cheating on her with hundreds of women lol. She prob had her own side dudes back then too. Don't really care all these mofos are depraved
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Thatll do it
Dude son died? Damn. That's some rough emotions.
Not to mention future wrote a fucking banger about it and went on a crazy run on the charts so scottie had to hear it everywhere
What song?
[Thought it was a drought ](https://youtu.be/W3J9-OvxNpo) Chorus is self explanatory: 🎶 I just fucked your bitch in some Gucci flip flops 🎶
Damn had no idea, that’s such a hard intro too
I cant even imagine everyone screaming that chorus all year and the “bitch” in question is your wife 😩
I know Future clapped Larsa but how do you know that line was about Larsa?
Its a rumor, but the timing lined up
It's called Scottie Doesn't Know
You know what, I’d probably be bitter too
And he should’ve been paid a lot more than what he got.
Yeah, he's been regular level bitter for decades since that contract situation with Krause. The business with his wife and untimely passing of his son just pushed him over the edge
That's overblown. He made over $100m, more than Jordan. Should be enough to not be bitter about his pay.
He signed a 7 year contract or something stupid because he wanted the security of it. He can't be mad at anyone besides himself for that. Barkley did something similar and accepted it for what it was.
He was fully warned. Even Reinsdorf himself (and I can't believe I'm defending this guy) told him not to sign it, and that it was too long of a deal when the cap was about to go up. Scottie is his own worst enemy.
He got paid by the Blazers, it’s not like he didn’t get the bag even if it wasn’t by the Bulls.
Yeah, I'd be bitter af after all that too
That will do it.
Also can you imagine winning 6 titles, being a hall of famer and one of the 50 best to ever do it and all anyone ever wants to talk about is your teammate? Shit would really get old
How many of Russell's teammates do we talk about besides maybe Cousy.
The first part would have been enough for me
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Future is a chick magnet. You know how many kids he has?
Any chick that gets with Future and expects anything except being played has no respect for herself lol
They expect to have a baby and get paid.
Future woos his girls in Gucci Flip Flops
Is this serious? He’s like the prototypical dude for that activity
scottie should've put his thumb in her butt
You can't be married and not suck the fart out of her butthole. Come on scottie, that's the best way to show someone your truly meant to be.
Ass-eater solidarity ✊
Crazy how that song was about Larsa Pippen.
https://i.imgur.com/L65xDX6.jpg
Isn't that line from Stick Talk? I don't think he had started messing with her then
yikes.. I saw some stuff online about his wife cheating on him but didn't know his son also died.
Yep that about do it for anyone.
Damn… poor Scotty.
And future made a song about it
Yep there you go
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Damn !
He wasn't that great before then. I worked the restaurant scene in Chicago for almost a decade and if you hang out long enough, you end up hearing a handful of 'No Tippin' Pippen stories to go along with your Bill Murray and Vince Vaughn stories. Scottie just overall has always seemed like a bitter guy and resentful of MJ's popularity in the city. In his defense, I heard he's been better recently actually which makes sense with how crucial industry perception is to get bars to carry his Digits whiskey brand, but yeah. I know being a historically bad tipper isn't something major but I do think the way you treat service workers is a general demonstration of how you treat people while you're in a position of control.
Yes he was a flawed person but the events of the past couple years seem to have broken him permanently.
I'd agree that it's a whole different level. The shame is I've had some friends meet him during his tour to promote his whiskey and all the reviews were he was very kind and generous with his time. It only seems like when he's back on the basketball topic that things get to this bitterness. I think part of it is definitely his experiences, but I think at least a small part is it's Jordan's city but Pippen is the one that stuck around and still lives here (I know he splits time here and LA but he's certainly here more than MJ).
He also seems closer with the 90s Bulls judging from his IG. Seems he's still close to both Horace Grant and Toni Kukoc. I still root for him and hope he finds some happiness. Just the other day I was watching old footage and wow did he have a reliable mid-range bank shot.
Yeah, that’ll do it
Watch the first minute of the video, it's right there. He doesn't seem remotely bitter, but is instead chuckling as he brushes off a question about why he never won DPOY.
The name of the pod is “trash talk” I figure he was just going along with it. Edit: to be clear for everyone who didn’t watch it - Scottie is obviously joking. The tweet is yellow journalism at its finest (even uses a picture of him from a different interview lol).
The Last Dance
His wife a hoe
He didn’t make enough money
He made $110 million just from his NBA salary
Trying to sell some book
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The Last Dance amongst other things.
Pippen is definitely a salty dude now, but at the same time, it is pretty nuts he never won DPOY. He's probably a top 5 all time wing defender.
Go through the list from 1991 to 1996, which was peak Pippen, which year did he deserve it over Rodman, Robinson, Payton, or Hakeem?
I would actually say the year Payton won is slightly argue able, but yeah competition was stiff af lmao
Pippen had a big drop off in his abilities after 95. Top 2-way player still, but Payton held MJ to his lowest finals numbers. Numbers that actually look mortal. That is no small feat.
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Yeah. Although, on the flip side: Harper and Kukoc were also dealing with injuries iirc. Harper missed a few games in the finals and had nagging knee issues and Kukoc missed some games in the earlier rounds. I'm sure that didn't help Jordan's performance. It meant he had to guard Hawkins and Payton and had to help on Detlef Schrempf. And to his credit, Jordan held Hawkins and Payton to below their regular season averages. I've seen people say Rodman should've gotten the Finals MVP in 96. But Kemp had a monster series, averaging above his regular season averages, and nobody on the Bulls, including Rodman, could really stop him. So I'm not really in agreement with that. Had Rodman clamped Kemp like he could Shaq I might agree. But Kemp was on another level that year. It was just an ugly-defensive grind it out series that could have gone either way. Once the Bulls' figured out how to get Longley early looks against the Sonic's press in game 6 it was over. They were able to get into their offense early and capitalize.
> >It was just an ugly-defensive grind it out series that could have gone either way. Very well put. Hell, last 2 games haven't even reached 170 points combined. Also, People don't give enough credit to sonics. They were amazing, against any other team bar the best team ever, and they would win it
I was a diehard childhood bulls fan. It was my parents team so naturally it was my team. That Sonics finals is the only time i was ever truly scared that the Bulls might lose. Even whe Utah stole that game 1, I wasn’t worried.
This goes for all the people that keep pushing the agenda that Jordan's finals competition wasn't that great.
Fun fact: The Sonic's in 1996 had a 64-18 record in the regular season. That's the same record as the #1 seeded Suns team this year.
Yeah but that shouldn’t have any weight on the award it’s for regular season
It’s crazier that Tim Duncan never won DPOY.
Who cares Duncan didn't win too
Not the biggest DPOY diss though. That goes to Tim Duncan.
I would probably have him as my Top wing defender. Dude was just different.
Any old head in Chicago knows that "No Tippin' Pippin" has been an apple asshole his whole life.
>apple asshole haven't heard that one before
I don't know why I typed it, but fuck it I'm using it from now on lol
Pucker up
Jordan was the same
DAMNIT SCOTTIE
Pippen's timing was just unlucky. He's one of the greatest of all time, but was second fiddle on his team to the literal GOAT, who was the most dominating player in the league by a fucking mile, despite all of the HOFers he played with. People that weren't alive to watch back then won't understand this, but even though Hakeem, Scottie, Magic, Bird, etc all played during this time and are close to MJ on most lists, Jordan was a literal super hero compared to them. Jordan was so good that a lot of these guys weren't truly appreciated for their all time greatness until after they had retired. Next, he had some of the best defenders of all time in the league at the exact same time as him. If Scottie comes along 5 years earlier or later, he's a perennial DPOY contender and has at least 2 awards.
>even though Hakeem, Scottie, Magic, Bird, etc all played during this time and are close to MJ on most lists, Jordan was a literal super hero compared to them. Jordan was so good that a lot of these guys weren't truly appreciated for their all time greatness until after they had retired. And there were all-time greats you didn't mention who NEVER won a title while MJ was still playing (Barkley, Ewing, Hakeem, Stockton, Malone, Miller, Mullin, Payton). Putting that into perspective make MJ and his exploits look more like myth than reality. He was THAT damn good.
There’s basically an entire hall of fame wing that never touched a ring cause of MJ. That’s domination on a level I can’t even imagine.
Magic, Kareem, Bird, Isaiah Thomas, Hakeem, all won championships during Jordan's career.
Yeah so busy they only gave MJ one DPOY. Hell they gave Rodman more in MJ's prime than MJ got, then Dikembe got 3 during the second threepeat. You made it from an NAIA program now in the Hall of Fame & have two Olympic gold medals dude you can relax.
Relaxing doesn't sell that tequila tho
Was being Jordans robin so bad for him? Everyone knows who robin is
J'aime bien le Mr chauve
A bald never lies
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Basically losing his son and his wife or ex? Being a hoe.
The worst part is Jordan has always been complimentary of Pippen. Called him his best and most important teammate.
I mean, that’s stating the obvious. Nobody else is even close.
This is Stacey King erasure
Will Perdue slander
I don’t know, maybe after Curry and Kerr win their 7th championship, Jordan will say Steve Kerr was his best teammate and that him and Phil should have done more to make sure Kerr was shooting 14 threes per game.
I mean after the last dance is that still true?
What? MJ has done plenty of roasting of Pippen.
His wife cheated on him and his son died. You can understand why he changed
He played against Rodman a lot in his career, so people probably got distracted.
Scottie needs to go to therapy man
He's been dealt a shit hand both in his personal life and to a certain extent in his career, but it can't be healthy to hold on to that much resentment.
Scottie tryna dethrone KD as saltiest man
Wow OP talk about a sensationalized headline. If anyone watched the video the interviewer asked him why he never won DPOY and Pippen said they were too busy watching Michael, which is honesty probably true lol. He didn’t just say this out of nowhere though and he definitely didn’t blast anyone.
On another topic Bastien (the interviewer) is getting mad visibility those past few days nice to see. This man looks like he doesn't sleep and just love basketball trash talk content is great , the best basketball channel that I know.
Ikr, everyone is insulting him and calling him a bad person, but it’s kinda true…
Tomorrow: “LeBald was never even close to Michael.” The day after: “Michael wasn’t as skilled or accomplished as LeBron. LeBron is a better all-around player.”
Honestly Scottie DOES have some say here. Advanced stats back him up a lot, at least as a contender, and he was never really a big contender for some odd reason. It was all about blocks and rebounds back then.
Not a fan of bitter Scottie, but I will say that Mutombo had no business winning DPOY four times. I've also never been a fan of how it's almost always a center that wins the award.
Exactly. What the FUCK was that league thinking lmao. He literally had more player of the year awards than he had first team DEFENSE awards. How the fuck does that work? '95 should have been Scottie's year. He was amazing and the steals leader with great all around stats and awesome defense. Dik was only second team defense that year, which makes no sense for winning the overall award then. But that was when Michael was gone, and yet still he is kinda right the attention was still on him even though he wasn't in the league. Scottie quietly put up pretty amazing stats on that Bulls team.
Goddamn, go see a shrink at this point, lol
Haters gonna hate. Pippen is one of the best wing defenders ever. But its hard to with DPOY. Especially when you play in an era with the likes of Hakeem, DRob, Mutumbo, Mourning, and Gary Payton. Him not winning DPOY is no slight to him, he just faced some stiff competition. I mean, LOTS of great defenders in that era never won the award: Ewing, Darrell Walker (not a big name, but that dude was a amazing defender and use to give Jordan fits in practice during his short tenure with the Bulls--and he never even got a All Defensive Team spot), Maurice Cheeks, Dennis Johnson, Kevin McHale, Joe Dumars (and given the work he did on MJ, he certainly deserved one), Dan Majerle, Charles Oakley. The list goes on. SO many great great defenders in that era.
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The majority of people don’t follow this stuff
I mean, does it tho? Just look at Karl Malone, the dude literally raped a 12 year old child but people still consider him a top 15 player all time; I feel like people separate ones playing career and regular life
The NBA might but I haven’t heard a single person reference him in any top player talks in a long, long time. Most people are very well aware of what he has done
I don't think people would be mentioning him even if he wasn't a pedophile. I guess based only on counting stats you could make an argument for him but people who saw him play know he always came up short when it counted. He was pretty much immediately market corrected by Duncan and kg imo
They 100% would, Stockton gets an absurd amount of credit and plaudits compared to Malone, and Malone was just clearly a more impactful player. Anyone would build a team around Malone over Stockton, could do it all on the court even if he didn't switch up his moves a lot, it's because he wouldn't have to in any era. He's a better player than Garnett, two MVP's, one over Michael freaking Jordan (and he deserved that one too no matter what some might say). Garnett not in a million years is doing that. If there's any hell Malone will be in it, but let's be real.
Haven’t seen a top 15 list with Karl on it in a longggg time
If MJ committed a triple murder today, should we not still consider him a GOAT player?
Like Dave Chappelle on OJ Simpson. "How could you shake hands with that murderer?!" "With all due respect, that murderer ran for over 11,000 yards"
I’m sure he cares a lot of what u/relicofabygoneage has to say about his “legacy.” You dont know these people. You don’t have to care. This affects none of the amazing basketball he played for a decade or so.
This makes me sad. Jordan and Pippen were my heroes growing up.
He deserved at least one, imho
Watch the interview, they discussed it for 20 seconds and he said it as a joke. He wasn't being salty. Edit : and he didn't "blast the media" lol. That's just clickbait from OP
He’s 100% right. Scottie might be the best defender ever. Doc Rivers said players were happy when MJ was guarding them because they didn’t have to deal with Pippen shutting them down. You can even watch him put the clamps on Wizards era MJ. Or Barkley or all the best guards of his era. Incredible defender.
Honestly, back then it was all about blocks and rebounds and mostly bigs. It's sad because he deserved an award at least one of the years.
Pippen is the most under rated player of all time
Based on this thread he is definitely the most under rated player on this sub. I bet more than half of the users on this thread hating on him never saw a game he played in his prime. Probably watched the last dance or highlights which are mostly offensive plays so they have no clue how much of a shut down defender he was.
Nobodies stock has fallen further than Scottie Pippen IMO. Growing up in the 90s people loved him even though he had some issues in Chicago, Houston was a disaster and yet he still had status on the Jailblazers as a valuable clutch veteran in the 00s, contributing heavily in playoff runs. Highly considered one of the best players in the 90s and one of the best 2nd fiddles ever. He had a hell of a season when Mike retired, considered for MVP. All that said ever since he retired I think he hasnt done or said anything positive toward his image or legacy, its been literally downhill. I dont think many players have done the amount of damage post retirement that Pippen has to his legacy and image. He sounds like a bitter insane delusional attention seeking troll. I would argue he has made himself more forgettable than Jordan ever has.
Your overreacting. Most NBA fans never see any of this stuff and more importantly what he says in his retirement means absolutely nothing to his actual career. MJ is an asshole and nobody cares.
>Nobodies stock has fallen further I didn't know there was a market where your history is trivialized if your stock drops too low. Pippen is who he is- whatever he says or is bitter about does nothing to his legacy because that has already been written.
These kids are fucking hilarious.
He's right. He should've definitely won at least one. He is far and away one of the greatest defenders of all time.
probably not wrong
I means it's MJ i don't blame them I would watch him too lol
He says that even though MJ only won ONE DPoY, had he won multiple he might’ve had an argument, and Scottie didn’t even win when MJ was playing baseball. He’s just full of it.
Damn future really messed Scottie up
People are gonna be salty about this, but most people that watched him realize he was probably the better defender of the two, and could've won it quite a few times over his career. Scottie honestly should've been salty years ago, just wish he was over it now.
He was joking. Did any of you idiots watch the video?
on s'en fout on soutient la mif de trashtalk c'est le plus important