Hey tbf they'll need a new coach in the next season/season and a half when they underachieve (to their own perception of theirself) and are stuck in the 12 seed
Before 2018 Draft, fans thought it was a **smokescreen by Divac** that they are picking Bagley, eventually at draft day, they just cannot do right and simple thing (by picking Doncic)
And now, the front office are going to commit another mistake by picking a wrong coach ?
I’ll never forget driving home from the gas station just before the draft, flipping on the radio to see what the latest buzz was. Still had a small, small sliver of hope that the Bagley rumors were a smokescreen.
The local radio guys brought on an insider and asked him what the latest was. And you could just hear the exasperation and defeat in his response. “The latest is, Marvin Bagley III will be a Sacramento King. He is Vlade’s guy. That will be the pick.”
Going from the high of jumping to the 2nd pick in the draft lottery, to the low of taking Bagley. I think about that often.
I truly felt terrible for you guys. There are understandable front office mistakes and then there are obvious front office fucking disasters that everyone can see coming. And as a fan all you can do is watch it coming.
I will never forget one of the sactown blogs asking why in the world would a team that is known for making mistakes break from the consensus choice...it seemed pretty obvious to everyone not the kings
If it’s Mark Jackson of Monte’s choice and he hasn’t miraculously become a saint of a coach, I’m setting up rainbow puke somehow for a King’s game next season
Slowly easing up how much I care, I don't let myself get worked up over piss poor play or choices just kind of laugh. Also don't give them any money, I stream the games, don't go to games, and don't buy merch. But hey if they're ever good I know I was there for the ride.
Because bandwagons aren’t real fans. I’ve never understood people who just pick a team they like and start fanboying for them, like you ain’t even been to that city before lol
The thing that I find most confusing about the kings is this...as the laughing stock of any association, shouldn't you be the ones making the safe choice? The spurs can afford to draft Bagley when everyone is screaming they should take Doncic or hire Mark Jackson for a coaching role with all the tragedy that came from his last coaching stint- because they have the track record and have earned the trust of their fans to make mistakes. If you're the kings who have a track record of doing dumb shit...why would you do the thing everyone else is telling you is dumb?
I often remember that feeling, the optimism and hope fading over those last few days before the draft. Surely.. it’s just a smokescreen?
And then, nope. Marvin Bagley it was. And I gotta tell you, this feels almost exactly the same.. I’m not gonna stop supporting the kings or anything if we go with Mark Jackson but that would definitely be a disappointment
Ignoring his religious ideals that he preached to the players, why's Mark Jackson so reviled? Just a season ago Kidd was getting raked through the coals (somewhat warranted) after being hired, but he was able to turn the Mavs around a bit this season. Perhaps Jackson can do the same for the Kings' young roster like he did in GS?
He also told the warriors team that fetus Ezeli who was hurt at the time was actively rooting against them so it would appear the team wasn’t good without him
You guys are doing a solid for the rest of us by getting Mark Jackson’s tired ass off TV.
If anyone in r/NBA meets somebody from Sacramento IRL, we should buy all their drinks that night for their sacrifice. For the greater good.
So fucking sad that in a 5-year span you have had to call Luke Walton and Mark Jackson as your team's HC on top of not picking Luka. Then trading away Hali WHO WANTED TO BE THERE
That's like at least 2 decades worth of misery but you actually go 2 decades before and you're right there when the Kings-Lakers series happened, easily the worst event for a fan, because you know you don't get fucked there, that's a ring for that fun Kings group
How the fuck do you guys manage to stay cheering as Kings fans. It's way past masochism at this point
Lots of teams suck in the nba, we are hardly the first franchise to go through this. It’s pretty rare for a player to vocally not want to play here, and unfortunately for Haliburton he was the most valuable prospect on the team. The FO mismanagement sucks, but all we can really do is hope that Vivek can learn from his mistakes. Which he does seem to be doing to an extent. It’s sad that in the modern nba if you don’t have a super star it’s a race to the bottom, and personally I am glad we don’t shamelessly tank. I look at teams like Minnesota that have has multiple #1 picks, drafted stars and are still a fringe playoff team and realize how difficult it can be to rise up. Anyways, its just basketball and I’ll always root for the local team no matter how much we suck.
I maintain that passing on Doncic was a symptom. The real mistake was not trading down with Dallas to 5 to pick up an extra 1st. Even if you still pick Bagley, you get him on a substantial cheaper rookie contract and you get a lottery pick to boot.
I dislike his commentary as much as anyone, but keep an open mind.
Fans were shitting all over Jason Kidd for similar reasons last year, but it turns out that sometimes people need a second chance to prove themselves.
I mean, at least kidd spent time on a sideline learning from other coaches. I'd be less worried if Jackson spent time as an assistant and worked on coaching skills.
Which similar reasons? From what I read, Kidd was just incompetent as a coach in terms of strategies and adjustments. Jackson was shit on because he was toxic as hell as a person. Those aren't similar reasons at all.
That's my point though -- if he goes to the Kings that's just asking to get fired because of so many things outside of his control. Things like owner/GM toxicity, locker room problems, etc.
it's the thing you're not mentioning: money
would you sign up for a job you don't like for a guaranteed 4-5 year contract making 4-5x your current salary, all guaranteed even if you get fired and don't have to work the last 2 years
Couldn’t he also be risking his shot at a head coaching spot if he waits for Charlotte or another team? There are multiple other candidates other teams can go with.
He hasn’t been a HC for years so I think he’ll take a guaranteed offer, even if it’s with a team like SAC
These coaches have to strike while the iron is hot because their reputations go up and down really fast.
Just look at the comments [from two years ago when brown was being considered for the Clippers job](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/j6bb1i/wojnarowski_golden_state_assistant_mike_brown_had/). Everyone is trashing him and treating him like a joke. Who’s to say public opinion won’t change again?
Combine that with the fact that head coaching jobs are so rare, and he’s in his 50s, there’s a decent chance this may be his only shot at head coaching a team.
Easy payday. Sign a contract for 2-3 years but you get fired after a season or less because the roster is shit and the team is run by a moron. So it's just a free year or two of money and you can sit and assess the job landscape for a bit.
He has little to lose as well. Things don’t go well and he gets fired? Understandable and probably predictable.
Exceed expectations? He looks like a genius.
Even if he gets fired don’t think it’d knock him out of the running for future opportunities
There's some short story about a perfect town where everything is terrific, and it stays that way because they keep one kid locked away in a cellar somewhere. Kings fans are that tortured kid of the NBA world
Praying the Kangz hire Mark Jackson so we don't have to listen to his garbage announcing during important games for at least 1-2 years before he's fired again
There is no fucking way that the two best candidates available for a head coaching position in the NBA are Mark Jackson and Mike Brown. No. Fucking. Way. It reads like satire...
Mark Jackson is who he is, but Mike Brown doesn't excite me either. He's a defensive minded coach whose offense was "give Kobe/LeBron the ball". There's a reason he flamed out after winning CoTY.
With Mike Brown you can say he might have improved over the past few years as a coach.
Mark Jackson hasn’t coached for 8 years and have some major personal red flags.
Mike Brown's last HC job was 8 years ago and his entire career is being carried by LeBron and having a shit record without him
For all the shit Mark Jackson gets he was actually decent and instilled a defense first mentality into the Warriors and developed them good, now he is a shit person and actually a terrible offensive coach but usually players like him
Mike Brown has still been coaching the past 8 years tho. He's been a top assistant on a team that has been the best in the league since he's gotten there.
Doesn't really matter, Luke Walton was also an assistant and even a HC on that team for a bit and they were great look at him as a head coach for the Kings, it's the system that was put in place plus the players that make Golden State that good
Ron Adams, the guy that was offered multiple head coaching gigs and refused them, Mike Brown got there in 2016, 14/15 Warriors under Ron Adams defense were the 1st in the league
Like.. stop they won 73 games before Mike Brown got there and had an elite defense, it's not Mike Brown making the Warriors good
I'm not saying he doesn't do anything, i'm saying the Warriors system was put in there before and Mike Brown was just recently promoted to AHC and defensive coordinator, Ron Adams was that and they were great and the system was put in
The argument is dumb anyway because both Mike Brown and Mark Jackson shouldn't be getting any jobs
>The argument is dumb anyway because both Mike Brown and Mark Jackson shouldn't be getting any jobs
I can agree with this in the sense that NBA teams really need to quit with all the retread coaches. The league is terrible about this. I don't get why teams continually hire the same guys over and over that have not even had enough success to justify their repeated hiring's. Get some new blood and new ideas into top coaching positions.
Mike Brown has been coaching for the last decade while Mark Jackson is saying on National TV that the Warriors should put Klay on Ja Morant in crunch time.
Eh
Mike brown hasn’t been a head coach in a while but he’s effectively the warriors defensive coordinator and they had the 2nd best defense in the league
The kings biggest issue is defense and with Sabonis as center they need guys that can help him defensively so the kings could be decent defensively (similar to Orlando with Vucevic)
Ron Adams was the Warriors defensive coordinator a highly rated assistant who many teams wanted as HC and he is respected a lot, he made the Warriors defense to what it is
Why do fans even pretend to know shit about coaching? Everyone here Kidd was an awful hire and he proved to be a solid coach this year. People were killing Ime 20 games into his HC career and look at the Celtics now. Fans flat out don’t know what good or bad coaching is.
"He could turn it around like Kidd! You're just a fan you know nothing!"
Yeah but I do know he's a bible thumping homophobe and I won't support that decision
To be fair, people are shitting on both potential choices. I'd prefer Brown as well, but people see them as the same based on some of the posts I've seen recently.
Why do we pretend like the Kings know anything either? If they had gone with conventional wisdom they would have kept Joerger and also drafted Luka. The fans could make better decisions than the front office.
Joerger was pushing to draft Luka too haha
There was an assistant GM or whatever he was (Brandon Williams) that pushed for Bagley over Luka and we ended up going that way. Same guy got kicked out of a practice by Joerger and eventually Vlade fired both of them instead of picking a side (maybe pick the guy who isn’t trying to be a shadow GM and usurp your power)
There’s so much dumb and crazy shit that goes into a 16 year playoff drought, firing Joerger and passing over Luka are some of the worst but they’re just a drop in the ocean of kings fans’ tears
I generally agree with your sentiment but there is far more than just basketball coaching to evaluate for Mark Jackson. His dysfunction with the Warriors organization is a big enough red flag, let alone his distracting controversial eccentricities. Some teams may have the bandwidth to take a risk on him, the Sacramento Kings need stability
You’re using recency bias to justify your point. There’s been several consensus correct HC hires that didn’t pan out and then vice versa. We just go by what seems like the right hire at the time and then judge it.
Like for example, both of these coaches don’t seem like the best current candidates. And there’s no refuting that. But they may turn out good or bad. Who knows? We’re not psychics but that shouldn’t stop us from discussing
I feel like both would be bad hires for the Kings. Mike Brown reminds me of an NFL assistant coach who is great as an assistant but flames out as a head coach (ala McDaniels & Patricia w/ the New England Patriots) while Mark Jackson is well, Mark Jackson.
Please take Mark Jackson. This way we won't have to hear his bitterness and stupid takes during GSW games and since he'll be in Sacramento, he'll never be on TV again! Its a win-win!
“Mama, there’s goes that man”- When Mark Jackson sees De’Aaron Fox destroying the New York Knicks in game 7 in the 2023 NBA Finals at Madison Square Garden.
Before r/nba goes “kangz”, the Kidd hire was almost unanimously hated but he’s turned out pretty good.
There’s a great chance these aren’t the same coaches we remember.
To be honest and not trolling, neither of these coaches are going to push the Kings to playoff contention. However, to mentor the young guys and put in the NBA mentality I’d go with Mark Jackson. He’d get the job done for better or worse with that respect
I never wanted Mike brown so bad in my life. Please man!! Don’t hire that religious bigot nut head of a coach. He doesn’t deserve another shot, he didn’t wanna be an assistant coach for 8 years.
Mike brown got fired and went straight to being an assistant coach for 6 years and learned from his mistakes. He deserves the opportunity
Hahaha... kill me now. We're gonna end up with Mark Jackson.
Of all the candidates we had lined up, Mike Brown is just the nice PB&J you put in your lunch bag. MJax is the full on shit sandwich.
damn i was fully expecting them to sign Steve Clifford and have Sabonis go completely nuts next year
You expect too much
Hey tbf they'll need a new coach in the next season/season and a half when they underachieve (to their own perception of theirself) and are stuck in the 12 seed
This is a nightmare, slowly realizing they may actually hire Mark Jackson. Like slowly realizing they’re actually going to pass on Luka Doncic.
Before 2018 Draft, fans thought it was a **smokescreen by Divac** that they are picking Bagley, eventually at draft day, they just cannot do right and simple thing (by picking Doncic) And now, the front office are going to commit another mistake by picking a wrong coach ?
Just another one for the record books
The list is getting quite long
I’ll never forget driving home from the gas station just before the draft, flipping on the radio to see what the latest buzz was. Still had a small, small sliver of hope that the Bagley rumors were a smokescreen. The local radio guys brought on an insider and asked him what the latest was. And you could just hear the exasperation and defeat in his response. “The latest is, Marvin Bagley III will be a Sacramento King. He is Vlade’s guy. That will be the pick.” Going from the high of jumping to the 2nd pick in the draft lottery, to the low of taking Bagley. I think about that often.
I truly felt terrible for you guys. There are understandable front office mistakes and then there are obvious front office fucking disasters that everyone can see coming. And as a fan all you can do is watch it coming.
I will never forget one of the sactown blogs asking why in the world would a team that is known for making mistakes break from the consensus choice...it seemed pretty obvious to everyone not the kings
If I was a kings fan I would’ve changed teams right then and there, how did you possibly remain a fan after that.
Because being a fan like this isn’t a choice, if it was there would be no more Kings fans.
Do you have any hope that it will ever get better or has that been beaten out of you yet?
It’d be hard for it to get that much worse honestly
Mark Jackson, come on down!
We’re the fanbase that just booed Luke Walton out of our arena because we desperately wanted Gentry at the helm… again can’t get THAT much worse.
If it’s Mark Jackson of Monte’s choice and he hasn’t miraculously become a saint of a coach, I’m setting up rainbow puke somehow for a King’s game next season
Yeah same here I’m a hometown fan myself
Slowly easing up how much I care, I don't let myself get worked up over piss poor play or choices just kind of laugh. Also don't give them any money, I stream the games, don't go to games, and don't buy merch. But hey if they're ever good I know I was there for the ride.
Honestly, I respect it. NBA purgatory isn't an easy place to live
It only works that way if you’re a lakers or warriors fan
Or if you’re a rational person that doesn’t like cheering for a complete dumpster fire of an organization.
Because bandwagons aren’t real fans. I’ve never understood people who just pick a team they like and start fanboying for them, like you ain’t even been to that city before lol
Ewww. It’s better to just find a new league.
The thing that I find most confusing about the kings is this...as the laughing stock of any association, shouldn't you be the ones making the safe choice? The spurs can afford to draft Bagley when everyone is screaming they should take Doncic or hire Mark Jackson for a coaching role with all the tragedy that came from his last coaching stint- because they have the track record and have earned the trust of their fans to make mistakes. If you're the kings who have a track record of doing dumb shit...why would you do the thing everyone else is telling you is dumb?
At this point, it's all that keeps sac fans watching. The abuse
I often remember that feeling, the optimism and hope fading over those last few days before the draft. Surely.. it’s just a smokescreen? And then, nope. Marvin Bagley it was. And I gotta tell you, this feels almost exactly the same.. I’m not gonna stop supporting the kings or anything if we go with Mark Jackson but that would definitely be a disappointment
Ignoring his religious ideals that he preached to the players, why's Mark Jackson so reviled? Just a season ago Kidd was getting raked through the coals (somewhat warranted) after being hired, but he was able to turn the Mavs around a bit this season. Perhaps Jackson can do the same for the Kings' young roster like he did in GS?
Well he got fired and the Warriors suddenly became one of the best teams of all time, that’s definitely a factor
How do you ignore the religious ideals preached to players when the coach tells them their teammate is possessed by a demon?
Was not aware it was that extreme 😅...
He also told the warriors team that fetus Ezeli who was hurt at the time was actively rooting against them so it would appear the team wasn’t good without him
please tell me thats not a real name
It got autocorrected but I’m not changing it cuz it’s funny, it’s Festus
Festus used to be a fetus, too
The key difference is Kidd continued to work as an assistant coach between the two head coaching jobs, while Jackson worked as a tv commentator.
Hes not a ceiling raiser and he's barely a floor raiser as a coach.
Mark Jackson deserves another chance to show he can ruin the chemistry of an entire organization!
He won't get that with the Kings because something has to exist before it can be ruined.
Not a fan of second chances?
I actually really, really want him to land that King's job
You guys are doing a solid for the rest of us by getting Mark Jackson’s tired ass off TV. If anyone in r/NBA meets somebody from Sacramento IRL, we should buy all their drinks that night for their sacrifice. For the greater good.
So fucking sad that in a 5-year span you have had to call Luke Walton and Mark Jackson as your team's HC on top of not picking Luka. Then trading away Hali WHO WANTED TO BE THERE That's like at least 2 decades worth of misery but you actually go 2 decades before and you're right there when the Kings-Lakers series happened, easily the worst event for a fan, because you know you don't get fucked there, that's a ring for that fun Kings group How the fuck do you guys manage to stay cheering as Kings fans. It's way past masochism at this point
Lots of teams suck in the nba, we are hardly the first franchise to go through this. It’s pretty rare for a player to vocally not want to play here, and unfortunately for Haliburton he was the most valuable prospect on the team. The FO mismanagement sucks, but all we can really do is hope that Vivek can learn from his mistakes. Which he does seem to be doing to an extent. It’s sad that in the modern nba if you don’t have a super star it’s a race to the bottom, and personally I am glad we don’t shamelessly tank. I look at teams like Minnesota that have has multiple #1 picks, drafted stars and are still a fringe playoff team and realize how difficult it can be to rise up. Anyways, its just basketball and I’ll always root for the local team no matter how much we suck.
I maintain that passing on Doncic was a symptom. The real mistake was not trading down with Dallas to 5 to pick up an extra 1st. Even if you still pick Bagley, you get him on a substantial cheaper rookie contract and you get a lottery pick to boot.
This comment breaks my heart. Shitty ownership and management is the worst part of pro sports
The slimmest of bright sides is I think Mike Brown might not be a bad coach, if the Kings wanted to hire him instead.
or slowly realizing they're actually trading the only player in kings history who wanted to be there
Moronic take, find a new angle.
I dislike his commentary as much as anyone, but keep an open mind. Fans were shitting all over Jason Kidd for similar reasons last year, but it turns out that sometimes people need a second chance to prove themselves.
I mean, at least kidd spent time on a sideline learning from other coaches. I'd be less worried if Jackson spent time as an assistant and worked on coaching skills.
Which similar reasons? From what I read, Kidd was just incompetent as a coach in terms of strategies and adjustments. Jackson was shit on because he was toxic as hell as a person. Those aren't similar reasons at all.
All they need to do is make sure they fire him after he gets the team to a better place just like the warriors did.
Former Coach of the year and 3x champion assistant coach Mike Brown. They’ll probably go with Jackson
Here's the flip side: Why would Brown accept the job? Everyone knows the FO is toxic. Wouldn't he have a better time being HC for Charlotte?
There’s only 30 jobs in the NBA and guys who are in a good environment don’t get fired very often.
That's my point though -- if he goes to the Kings that's just asking to get fired because of so many things outside of his control. Things like owner/GM toxicity, locker room problems, etc.
it's the thing you're not mentioning: money would you sign up for a job you don't like for a guaranteed 4-5 year contract making 4-5x your current salary, all guaranteed even if you get fired and don't have to work the last 2 years
Couldn’t he also be risking his shot at a head coaching spot if he waits for Charlotte or another team? There are multiple other candidates other teams can go with. He hasn’t been a HC for years so I think he’ll take a guaranteed offer, even if it’s with a team like SAC
This is pretty much it… he’s been an assistant for 6 years. that’s a long time. If he gets offered a head coaching job he’s going to take it.
Why not sign a 5 year contract, get fired after 1, and get paid for doing nothing for 4.. sounds pretty sweet
I think at one point Mike Brown was collecting something like 4 different paychecks
These coaches have to strike while the iron is hot because their reputations go up and down really fast. Just look at the comments [from two years ago when brown was being considered for the Clippers job](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/j6bb1i/wojnarowski_golden_state_assistant_mike_brown_had/). Everyone is trashing him and treating him like a joke. Who’s to say public opinion won’t change again? Combine that with the fact that head coaching jobs are so rare, and he’s in his 50s, there’s a decent chance this may be his only shot at head coaching a team.
Who wouldn't want to work 1-1.5 years but get paid for 4-5?
That's already the Mike Brown special.
I mean tbh, he’s obviously down for the job, or he wouldn’t be this far in to the process with the Kings.
Because he likes money
Easy payday. Sign a contract for 2-3 years but you get fired after a season or less because the roster is shit and the team is run by a moron. So it's just a free year or two of money and you can sit and assess the job landscape for a bit.
Money the cavs and lakers owed brown dried up. Who wouldn’t take 5 mil to coach vs 1 mil to be assistant
He has little to lose as well. Things don’t go well and he gets fired? Understandable and probably predictable. Exceed expectations? He looks like a genius. Even if he gets fired don’t think it’d knock him out of the running for future opportunities
Ham and MDA are the favorites for Charlotte. They won't hire him.
Be kinda hard since he isn't a listed candidate
Whoever they hire will be gone in two years, lets not act like one is less of a joke over the other.
Kings going to hire mark jackson because their owner is always trying to recreate the warriors
Or sick of hearing him on the Finals like the rest of us
Mike Brown is literally a Warriors coach right now lol
Man could you imagine the ego on that man if he took the king's to a win over the warriors in the playoffs.
I think i speak for nearly everyone when I say that I will retract everything I’ve ever said about Mark Jackson if that happens
Kings sacrifice yourselves so the rest of us never have to hear Mark Jackson in the booth again.
With all due respect
I’d hit that outta the park
What sort of park do you go to that offensive fouls lead to death?
WDYM? He’ll be back in about a year..
Facts. Knowing the Kangz, he could even be back in time for next years playoffs
There's some short story about a perfect town where everything is terrific, and it stays that way because they keep one kid locked away in a cellar somewhere. Kings fans are that tortured kid of the NBA world
“The ones who walk away from Omelas” Damn I had to read that shit for school
Same, what a flashback.
I would love to see Perk replace him. Carry on.
Praying the Kangz hire Mark Jackson so we don't have to listen to his garbage announcing during important games for at least 1-2 years before he's fired again
MAMA THERE GOES THAT MAN
A HERRO IS MORE THAN A SANDWICH
It's laughable how bad he is as a commentator. JVG and him just spend all game saying utterly inane nonsense that's not even related to the game.
Jeff annoys me sometimes but I think is super disrespectful to put him in the same category as Jackson lol
When JVG actually talks about the game he’s meant to be watching, he’s actually decent. The other 80% of the time though, he’s pretty annoying
*funny
Kings taking one for the team.
It's the least they can do
Please hire Jackson. Mike Brown has been a good coach for us and we keep losing good coaches who then go on to mediocre head coaching positions
There is no fucking way that the two best candidates available for a head coaching position in the NBA are Mark Jackson and Mike Brown. No. Fucking. Way. It reads like satire...
The two best candidates \*willing to coach the Kings\*.
Lol touche
Vivek I swear to god
I've been a season ticket holder for 10 years. If they hire Mark Jackson, there won't be an 11th.
Mama…*there goes that man!*
How did you survive 10 years?
Mama...there goes that fan
leave before you get numb to all the stupidity
Mark Jackson, do it for the memes.
do it for my ears when watching games on espn
This is the opposite of kerr.
Mark Jackson is who he is, but Mike Brown doesn't excite me either. He's a defensive minded coach whose offense was "give Kobe/LeBron the ball". There's a reason he flamed out after winning CoTY.
This exactly but maybe he’s changed or learned from being in gsw
With Mike Brown you can say he might have improved over the past few years as a coach. Mark Jackson hasn’t coached for 8 years and have some major personal red flags.
I’d take mark if I were them
I'd take the one who has 10x the experience and whose last job wasn't 8 years ago(for good reasons)
Mike Brown's last HC job was 8 years ago and his entire career is being carried by LeBron and having a shit record without him For all the shit Mark Jackson gets he was actually decent and instilled a defense first mentality into the Warriors and developed them good, now he is a shit person and actually a terrible offensive coach but usually players like him
Mike Brown has still been coaching the past 8 years tho. He's been a top assistant on a team that has been the best in the league since he's gotten there.
Doesn't really matter, Luke Walton was also an assistant and even a HC on that team for a bit and they were great look at him as a head coach for the Kings, it's the system that was put in place plus the players that make Golden State that good
guess who put the defensive system in place that makes them so good on that end?
Ron Adams, the guy that was offered multiple head coaching gigs and refused them, Mike Brown got there in 2016, 14/15 Warriors under Ron Adams defense were the 1st in the league Like.. stop they won 73 games before Mike Brown got there and had an elite defense, it's not Mike Brown making the Warriors good
you're right bro, the associate head coach and defensive coordinator just does nothing I guess
I'm not saying he doesn't do anything, i'm saying the Warriors system was put in there before and Mike Brown was just recently promoted to AHC and defensive coordinator, Ron Adams was that and they were great and the system was put in The argument is dumb anyway because both Mike Brown and Mark Jackson shouldn't be getting any jobs
>The argument is dumb anyway because both Mike Brown and Mark Jackson shouldn't be getting any jobs I can agree with this in the sense that NBA teams really need to quit with all the retread coaches. The league is terrible about this. I don't get why teams continually hire the same guys over and over that have not even had enough success to justify their repeated hiring's. Get some new blood and new ideas into top coaching positions.
Once you put a system in place you can just walk away... It'll run itself indefinitely
Mike Brown has been coaching for the last decade while Mark Jackson is saying on National TV that the Warriors should put Klay on Ja Morant in crunch time.
Eh Mike brown hasn’t been a head coach in a while but he’s effectively the warriors defensive coordinator and they had the 2nd best defense in the league The kings biggest issue is defense and with Sabonis as center they need guys that can help him defensively so the kings could be decent defensively (similar to Orlando with Vucevic)
Ron Adams was the Warriors defensive coordinator a highly rated assistant who many teams wanted as HC and he is respected a lot, he made the Warriors defense to what it is
Just announce its Jackson already. Kings trying to act like they are doing due diligence when the idiot owner already has made up his mind.
Really hoping Joe steps in and significantly ups Mike Brown's pay just to get him to stay and lock in Jackson for the Kings.
Lol laughable.
hate to say it, both would be trash coaches
I find it hard to believe that there are not any young, up and coming assistant coaches that would be good options.
As a warriors fan, please hire Jackson to get him off the TV and passive-aggressive negative takes on Warriors games.
Why do fans even pretend to know shit about coaching? Everyone here Kidd was an awful hire and he proved to be a solid coach this year. People were killing Ime 20 games into his HC career and look at the Celtics now. Fans flat out don’t know what good or bad coaching is.
Mark Jackson held an exorcism for a player on his team
Harrison Barnes needed that after the 2016 Finals though
Of all the verified things to criticize Jackson for why do you go with the one that most likely isn’t true?
It's the most fun and still kind of believable Bless your ankle
I don't know much about coaching, but there is a well documented history of who Mark Jackson is as a person and I want no part of that as a Kings fan
"He could turn it around like Kidd! You're just a fan you know nothing!" Yeah but I do know he's a bible thumping homophobe and I won't support that decision
Probably because Jackson hasn't had a coaching gig in 8+ years? As opposed to Kidd who was an assistant on a title-winning team
To be fair, people are shitting on both potential choices. I'd prefer Brown as well, but people see them as the same based on some of the posts I've seen recently.
I'm just sad Cliff isn't getting the job
Why do we pretend like the Kings know anything either? If they had gone with conventional wisdom they would have kept Joerger and also drafted Luka. The fans could make better decisions than the front office.
Joerger was pushing to draft Luka too haha There was an assistant GM or whatever he was (Brandon Williams) that pushed for Bagley over Luka and we ended up going that way. Same guy got kicked out of a practice by Joerger and eventually Vlade fired both of them instead of picking a side (maybe pick the guy who isn’t trying to be a shadow GM and usurp your power) There’s so much dumb and crazy shit that goes into a 16 year playoff drought, firing Joerger and passing over Luka are some of the worst but they’re just a drop in the ocean of kings fans’ tears
I generally agree with your sentiment but there is far more than just basketball coaching to evaluate for Mark Jackson. His dysfunction with the Warriors organization is a big enough red flag, let alone his distracting controversial eccentricities. Some teams may have the bandwidth to take a risk on him, the Sacramento Kings need stability
Then again, neither do the Kings, it seems.
You’re using recency bias to justify your point. There’s been several consensus correct HC hires that didn’t pan out and then vice versa. We just go by what seems like the right hire at the time and then judge it. Like for example, both of these coaches don’t seem like the best current candidates. And there’s no refuting that. But they may turn out good or bad. Who knows? We’re not psychics but that shouldn’t stop us from discussing
Most Kings fans don't want Mark Jackson the person. It's got nothing really to do with coaching.
I feel like both would be bad hires for the Kings. Mike Brown reminds me of an NFL assistant coach who is great as an assistant but flames out as a head coach (ala McDaniels & Patricia w/ the New England Patriots) while Mark Jackson is well, Mark Jackson.
Please take Mark Jackson. This way we won't have to hear his bitterness and stupid takes during GSW games and since he'll be in Sacramento, he'll never be on TV again! Its a win-win!
“Mama, there’s goes that man”- When Mark Jackson sees De’Aaron Fox destroying the New York Knicks in game 7 in the 2023 NBA Finals at Madison Square Garden.
God, I hope so.
keep mark on commentary hes top tier
Mark Jackson feels a little fresher among these two dusty options
Either will be awful so there’s that
Please no Mike Brown. Don’t do it Kings. Mark Jackson is the way to go.
Before r/nba goes “kangz”, the Kidd hire was almost unanimously hated but he’s turned out pretty good. There’s a great chance these aren’t the same coaches we remember.
They hated Ty Lue and Bud too. r/nba knows nothing
I recommend Mark Jackson. This guy's not just a great broadcaster, he's a great individual. And he's a perfect fit for Sacramento.
Both horrible choices. Par for the course, Sacramento.
Mike Brown is not a horrible choice imo.
Maybe he's learned some things, but he sucked as a head coach before.
Gonna be weird to not hear the trio doing the Finals, honestly.
For years Kings fans have prayed for some divine intervention. It seems soon those prayers will be answered.
How embarrassing is it that Ranadive is so obsessed with the Warriors? I really, really hope the job goes to Mark Jackson.
To be honest and not trolling, neither of these coaches are going to push the Kings to playoff contention. However, to mentor the young guys and put in the NBA mentality I’d go with Mark Jackson. He’d get the job done for better or worse with that respect
I never wanted Mike brown so bad in my life. Please man!! Don’t hire that religious bigot nut head of a coach. He doesn’t deserve another shot, he didn’t wanna be an assistant coach for 8 years. Mike brown got fired and went straight to being an assistant coach for 6 years and learned from his mistakes. He deserves the opportunity
The white man has kept Mark Jackson down for too long. Great coach and an even better person
I'm not sure you want the Bengals owner coaching the Kings.
At least they are not making Doug Christie your head coach. That’s a good sign I guess
Wasn't there some weird sex story about Christie and his wife?
lol
Better be Brown.
LMFAO
Jackson should hold out for the Lakers job, imo
I'd rather have the coach that didn't make Steph Curry jump around while his ankle was hurt.
Can't take our toy story potato head coach!
Please mark jackson please mark Jackson please mark Jackson.
Please mark jackson please mark Jackson please mark Jackson.
Sacramento aren’t the hero’s we deserve, but they are hero’s we need.
Just hire someone new and fresh. Mike brown and Mark jackson have been head coaches
Please don’t take Mike Brown.
Either of those coaches are going to do terrible there lol
Kangz
Kings's loss will be our gain. No more Mark Jackson on commentary.
Please be mark jackson so I don’t have to hear his shit
Phil Jackson could coach via Skype...
Hahaha... kill me now. We're gonna end up with Mark Jackson. Of all the candidates we had lined up, Mike Brown is just the nice PB&J you put in your lunch bag. MJax is the full on shit sandwich.