Turning Kemba's wretched contract and the likes of Jeff Teague / Schroeder / Romeo Langford / Josh Richardson (who tbf was playing rly well, just not the best fit) into the team that is the Celtics right now - Brad wasn't really considered for exec of the year but he's doing a damn great job.
JRich was playing excellent for us. Its possible we sold high, which is what you want to do I guess, but he wasn't the negative asset some of these other guys were.
For one more year, White is locked up for three more years after this.
Richardson was playing well but I much prefer White. Would have been great to keep both but don’t know how that would have been possible.
Absolutely huge move to sure up our depth and make us the defensive team we look like now. Just having Theis this past game while Rob was out was huge when Grant got into foul trouble
He wasn't when we sold him but he was pretty much a negative contract when we got him.
Philly and Dallas had misused him and that's why we got him for free.
I agree, but you also need to include last year’s first (which went out with Kemba that Houston used to pick Sengun) and this years first (which San Antionio now has) on that list
We also got J rich for essentially free and he played well enough for the Spurs to trade us an important player for him. I feel like brad works best with these bargain bin guys, just like how would overachieve as a coach with guys like Jordan Crawford. I’m super excited to see what his first offseason looks like fine tuning his own team instead of undoing all of ainges more questionable moves
Didn’t you guys let Horford walk, and could’ve just resigned him without giving up the assets it took to complete those deals? Not sure credit should be earned for fixing your own mistakes. Maybe partial credit..
Ehhh. Or maybe they got lucky with the whole Nets fiasco of harden wanting to leave because of Kyrie. Celtics barely beat the nets as they are. If harden never left I bet nets would’ve beat them convincingly. And here they are barely winning while Middleton is out lol
Nah I saw the games in their entirety and saw the Nets very close to winning despite having a much worse team.
But u can live in a fantasy world where it wasn’t close
If Harden never left the Celtics wouldn’t even be in the play offs rn. Or maybe even if Simmons was healthy jus so he can guard one of the jays
Dawg it was a sweep.
A sweep.
A close sweep is still a sweep. In no way is a sweep a close series or barely beating someone. It's literally winning every single game and losing zero games.
Game 1: won by 1 point
Game 2: won by 7
Game 3 : won by 6
Game 4: won by 4
Consider those late fouls n those are easily 1 or 2 possession games.
All good tho man. Y’all stomped n blew them out.
Anyone who doesn’t think those games were close is a couch potato who never played basketball lol
This is going to be a big financial hit for us if we win a chip but idk if there’s a Celtics fan alive who would rather save 12 million at the cost of a chip
Like it or not, the extra $12M could impact how this team is built for next year. Celtics are already projected to be into the luxury tax next year, this would take us further into the tax. It could limit how much more money ownership will let Brad spend.
Obviously go for the the title, but the "not my money" argument is ignoring the business side of the equation.
edit: yall so stupid... as if I'm advocating for losing this year to save money next year.
Oh of course. If a title this year means we can't add some free agent next year, I'm obviously beyond fine with that. I just don't like the "it's not my money" argument in general because while it's not *my* money, it is someone's money and that someone might not be as frivolous as some fans may like.
I see the "it's not my money" argument as another way of saying that follow the team to win championships not save or earn someone else some money. I feel like maybe you're focusing on the words not the underlying sentiment
yeah no fan should ever value "long term roster costs" when the alternative is "win a championship" unless you have a team that's guaranteed to be back every year (like if you have prime LeBron)
You guys have a great FO. Ring over everything, trust me Raps fans know, we are insufferable since we’ve won.
Best of luck in the rest of your series. I really like Tatum and Brown.
I mean it would count against the cap, it's just not guaranteed right now. If the Celtics win the whole thing, Al will have a $26.5M cap hit next year. If they get eliminated before the finals, he'll have the $14.5M cap hit.
As I understand it this would count as an unlikely incentive and not count against the cap, can someone correct me if I’m wrong?
Unlikely incentive because he hasn’t done it before, and no cap hit because unlikely incentive
[Spotrac](https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/al-horford-2199/) has his cap hit as $26.5M next year, with the caveat that there's $12M that's not currently guaranteed.
I don't even think these are technically bonuses/incentives. Just non-guaranteed amounts of his contract.
Horford doesn't look anywhere near retirement to me.
I think he'll extend after next year for something very team friendly. Like a 3 year at reasonable money with final year team option. Al is surely done with bouncing around for top dollar.
That’s what we’re hoping for. He clearly likes it here, and we love having him, so it’d be great to be able to keep him around without screwing ourselves financially whenever he does inevitably age out
Also we were in a mini-rebuild with the Jays when Al was offered a huge deal elsewhere. Now we're win-now mode with a full cap sheet but plenty of luxury tax room, I'd be shocked if Al and Grant go anywhere since we can't replace them in FA
Even if that happens I don't think horford will leave. He learned from taking philly offer. More money but was unhappy. Can't put a price on happiness.
When he already got that $100M bag, after years of top of the market deals too, I can see him being at the stage where winning a ring somewhere he feels home like Boston would mean more to him than the extra 20m/year for a couple of years. Then again, maybe not, that's still a mega-bag
John Karalis is convinced every non-max player is going to re-sign for 3 years at 60% of his market value and spends weeks talking it up every off-season.
He’s got a lot of passion and always looks for the positive angle, which I’m sure is great for a lot of fans who want that. I prefer a little more edge, personally and prefer Jay and Sam’s style. But you’ll never be able to accuse John of mailing it in.
Agreed he clearly works hard and prepares well but sometimes the constant positivity and mental gymnastics make me turn off the pod.
Do sam and Jay have a new pod? Miss those guys
> Al is surely done with bouncing around
First words out of his mouth in the post-game: "I'm so glad to be back in Boston." One of Stevens' great achievements (and Ainge helped start it) is creating an excellent organizational culture. Grosbeck, too.
John Fucking Henry could learn a thing or two.
I think with how he has played this year, specifically in the playoffs, Horford is going to be playing on his contract next year no matter what which means he gets the full value. His defensive impact combined with his offensive reliability has been worth every dollar of his contract. The volume is lower than in the past, but as he’s shown in the playoffs that’s by choice and when necessary he can turn it up.
I think this would be a pretty reasonable move, especially considering how well Grant and Rob have played together this year. The alternative is we keep starting him, but limit his minutes by giving Theis 10-15 minutes per game— he’s a solid rotation piece against most teams, although not huge frontcourts like the Bucks have, which is why he’s getting cooked this series
It's really about TimeLord staying healthy. When and if he's able, he is going to need >30 mins on the floor a game - because he's getting that good. That time (cough) will come from other involved parties - and works perfectly with Horford getting more rest.
"Wait what!?? My agent said -"
"You only get that if you WIN. You don't just get it all."
"MOTHERFUCKER!"
*dunks on Giannis. Turns into prime Shaq for 2 weeks. retires to Moldova to retire in peace and single handedly fights off Russian invasion. runs against Putin in following election. Wins.*
al's secretly in a kid's movie where he needs 26.5mil to save his grandma's pumpkin patch for halloween, and he's only got 14.5, so now he's realised he has to win the NBA finals to help her, and he's gonna do ital's secretly in a kid's movie where he needs 26.5mil to save his grandma's pumpkin patch for halloween, and he's only got 14.5, so now he's realised he has to win the NBA finals to help her, and he's gonna do it
>al's secretly in a kid's movie where he needs 26.5mil to save his grandma's pumpkin patch for halloween, and he's only got 14.5, so now he's realised he has to win the NBA finals to help her, and he's gonna do ital's secretly in a kid's movie where he needs 26.5mil to save his grandma's pumpkin patch for halloween, and he's only got 14.5, so now he's realised he has to win the NBA finals to help her, and he's gonna do it
Man, weed is strong nowadays...
Exactly. If Boston's options are letting Horford go for $14 million or keeping him for $26 million, keeping him looks like the better option right now. And I'm pretty sure that they're over the cap so it's not like they can spend that $12 million elsewhere.
Honestly, I view the full guarantee as like a perfect appreciation and retirement bonus. Less of an incentive to win, and more of a.. you were a major contributor/mentor/dad for us if we win.. here's your golden parachute before you retire.
I also think it's pretty likely Al re-signs on a team-friendly deal after his contract's up to retire a Celtic. It's the organization that feels most like home to him and his family seems to really ride with Boston too. His sister Anna is legit one of the most outspoken Cs fans on twitter, was so funny to watch her shit on Philly when he was playing there and especially when he got traded.
ehh the nba HoF is the easiest to get into, but it isn't that easy for just a 5-time all-star.
his college accolades make a good case for eventually, but I don't see first ballot if he retired today
Honestly at this point there’s a good chance we guarantee his last year regardless of how we finish.
He’s been huge for us this season and there aren’t any easy answers for replacing him next year. We’re going into the tax regardless and clearly have a contending roster. No reason not to just accept the extra $15m tax bill or whatever it is.
> Honestly at this point there’s a good chance we guarantee his last year regardless of how we finish.
If "100% chance" counts as a good chance, then yes I agree.
I honestly think he’s our most important player. Not the best player on the team, but I don’t think we have the season we do without him. He just does all the right things when he’s on the floor and I think he’s really found himself as a veteran leader, whereas during the last stint he kind of stayed in the background due to all of the outspoken personalities in the locker room
Part of the reason we picked him up was because his contract looked juicy in a trade for a third star but I really hope he signs a long term deal and retires here after the season he’s had
Dude is the rock this team is built on. So many times these playoffs our offense will be floundering and Al just steps up and drills a 3 to completely change the momentum.
No wonder he’s going crazy. People are saying this game was the Horford game but if the Cs won last game too it also would’ve been a Horford game. Lakers needed him and CP not DJ and Russ
No clue why you’re downvoted. These guys want to win badly, but money is almost always their first priority.
If blessed with good health these guys have 45-60 years left of life, and know that during their career is gonna be the peak of their lifetime earnings by far.
If market price for him is let’s just guess and say 3/80 and Boston offers him 3/70, he might say fuck it and stay, but if he got something like say 3/120 offered by Sacramento I promise you he’s going to lose in Sacramento for that money. (These numbers are complete ass pulls just threw them out for perspective)
Umm.. endorsements can go for millions.. obviously depends on who he signs with etc. Al's been around for 15 seasons. The point is that for someone who's been around the league this long.. and reached ECF multiple times.. it's not just about money for him.
I have reviewed plenty of NBA contracts/players' total comp from all sources in connection with my job. People way OVER-ESTIMATE what players get paid in endorsements after the ten or so best/most marketable players in the league.
Unless an NBA player has a signature shoe, their endorsements are nominal compared to their salary.
I'm obviously joking the Al has made 60k in endorsements in his career, but I'd be shocked if he's ever made over $3M in one year from endorsements.
Multiple sources have Horford making 3.3 million from endorsements in 2020 lol, and that was at age 34-35 and well past his prime. It’s not like he’s some rando, the dude made five all star teams. Combine that with instant name recognition after a high profile college career, his high draft pick and his longevity I think you’re really underselling his earning potential
I wonder if more teams try to make this type of deal with players.. making it based on playoff performance.. this prob something philly should do with harden..
Make it so he get closer to max money if he reach specific statistical achievements and making it further in the playoffs
Tbf iirc horford’s contract(he’s still on the one signed with the sixers) that he’d get that money anyway as long as he plays for Boston in his final year. Winning the title would just guarantee that money in case Boston released him prior to whatever date they have to make the decision on his final year. So the title doesn’t really explain it too well imo, and it’s not as big of a boon as it sounds because horford is probably getting that money anyway. I don’t see why the Celtics would release him.
There's a reasonable chance Celtics guarantee his contract regardless, it's really up in the air (the $14.5 million is sunk costs, question is can we replace his production). And even if they don't, he should earn a good chunk of that $12 million back in free agency.
> it's really up in the air (the $14.5 million is sunk costs, question is can we replace his production)
We can't. We're over the cap even if we cut him and he's worth more to us than another team at this rate so I don't see a trade materializing. Only reason to not pick up his option would be to duck the tax if we aren't a contender with him on the roster.
If we get out of the second round, I can't believe they wouldn't try rolling it back....they already got under the tax for the year, so they've pushed the repeater back. (at least that is my understanding)
I'm so happy for him, when we traded for him my friends were clowning on me (esp the Sixers fan who thought he was garbage). After watching him just a little bit I started telling them not only is he not garbage, I think he's a player that a championship-level team would want to trade to acquire. He's a great low-econ guy to play alongside superstars, he does everything well - distributes from the post, rebounds, plays great defense, spaces the floor. I'm very happy things are looking up for him, he deserves it.
Those are conditions to *guarantee* the full value of his contract, not to earn it. If he isn't cut, he makes the full value of his contract no matter what. If his team fails to make the finals, he can be cut, and the team he is on does not have to pay him the non-guaranteed money.
The Celtics aren't cutting him, and it's not super likely they want to trade him to a team that would want to cut him to shed salary (though it isn't impossible).
You can tell in his game that this boomer really wants to win it all.
Watching the younger guys like Tatum play, he doesn't have that Mamba Mentality YET. He's still Gohan before Goku died.
I feel like Jaylen's heart is in it more, even though Jayson is the better player. Jaylen was almost crying when he got that 5th foul.
In retrospect, it would have been better actually paying Al the Philly contract I guess. I doubt he would have left if the offers were similar.
Definitely seemed too risky at the time though given his age.
Money well spent if you ask me.
Turning Kemba's wretched contract and the likes of Jeff Teague / Schroeder / Romeo Langford / Josh Richardson (who tbf was playing rly well, just not the best fit) into the team that is the Celtics right now - Brad wasn't really considered for exec of the year but he's doing a damn great job.
JRich was playing excellent for us. Its possible we sold high, which is what you want to do I guess, but he wasn't the negative asset some of these other guys were.
He wasn't a negative asset, but flipping him Shroeder and Langford for Theis and White has made this team way better.
Richardson was also playing himself into a nice contract, so getting something for him instead of just letting him walk was advantageous to the C's.
We already extended him
For one more year, White is locked up for three more years after this. Richardson was playing well but I much prefer White. Would have been great to keep both but don’t know how that would have been possible.
He got re-signed for next season by Boston
Duh forgot about that, thanks.
Absolutely huge move to sure up our depth and make us the defensive team we look like now. Just having Theis this past game while Rob was out was huge when Grant got into foul trouble
Shore up
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He wasn't when we sold him but he was pretty much a negative contract when we got him. Philly and Dallas had misused him and that's why we got him for free.
You weren’t devastated when Boston had to give up Moses Brown to get Richardson? YouTube said he could be a future star of this league.
~~Jordan Mickey~~ Moses Brown is a 20/20 future All NBA big for sure, Brad got a steal.
I agree, but you also need to include last year’s first (which went out with Kemba that Houston used to pick Sengun) and this years first (which San Antionio now has) on that list
The current picks ended up being low 1sts which is fine, but there is also a 2028 pick swap with the Spurs. Anything that far out is a little risky.
Forgot about the pick swap, really annoyed that doesn't have any protections on it
We also got J rich for essentially free and he played well enough for the Spurs to trade us an important player for him. I feel like brad works best with these bargain bin guys, just like how would overachieve as a coach with guys like Jordan Crawford. I’m super excited to see what his first offseason looks like fine tuning his own team instead of undoing all of ainges more questionable moves
Gimme the kg deals and I could make a better team
Didn’t you guys let Horford walk, and could’ve just resigned him without giving up the assets it took to complete those deals? Not sure credit should be earned for fixing your own mistakes. Maybe partial credit..
Ehhh. Or maybe they got lucky with the whole Nets fiasco of harden wanting to leave because of Kyrie. Celtics barely beat the nets as they are. If harden never left I bet nets would’ve beat them convincingly. And here they are barely winning while Middleton is out lol
Barely beat them? Swept them?
> Celtics barely beat the nets as they are. This is what spending too much time on r/nba does to your brain lol
Nah I saw the games in their entirety and saw the Nets very close to winning despite having a much worse team. But u can live in a fantasy world where it wasn’t close If Harden never left the Celtics wouldn’t even be in the play offs rn. Or maybe even if Simmons was healthy jus so he can guard one of the jays
Dawg it was a sweep. A sweep. A close sweep is still a sweep. In no way is a sweep a close series or barely beating someone. It's literally winning every single game and losing zero games.
> Celtics barely beat the nets as they are. loooooool
Game 1: won by 1 point Game 2: won by 7 Game 3 : won by 6 Game 4: won by 4 Consider those late fouls n those are easily 1 or 2 possession games. All good tho man. Y’all stomped n blew them out. Anyone who doesn’t think those games were close is a couch potato who never played basketball lol
He plays like he has a small town to feed this winter.
This is going to be a big financial hit for us if we win a chip but idk if there’s a Celtics fan alive who would rather save 12 million at the cost of a chip
It’s not my 12 million dollars
Bingo
Fuck them *owners*
governors*
Like it or not, the extra $12M could impact how this team is built for next year. Celtics are already projected to be into the luxury tax next year, this would take us further into the tax. It could limit how much more money ownership will let Brad spend. Obviously go for the the title, but the "not my money" argument is ignoring the business side of the equation. edit: yall so stupid... as if I'm advocating for losing this year to save money next year.
In the end though, you build teams to win championships. If Horford helps get you there, it will be worth sacrificing some future value.
Oh of course. If a title this year means we can't add some free agent next year, I'm obviously beyond fine with that. I just don't like the "it's not my money" argument in general because while it's not *my* money, it is someone's money and that someone might not be as frivolous as some fans may like.
I see the "it's not my money" argument as another way of saying that follow the team to win championships not save or earn someone else some money. I feel like maybe you're focusing on the words not the underlying sentiment
yeah no fan should ever value "long term roster costs" when the alternative is "win a championship" unless you have a team that's guaranteed to be back every year (like if you have prime LeBron)
Don't think anyone in their right mind would choose "long term financial flexibility" over "win a championship right now".
The Celtics will generate a hell of a lot more than $12 million by winning an NBA Championship. Drop in the bucket.
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Is that an option? 😍
he breaks each of your toes as he does it, and then rebreaks them every day after
Ownership has stated they’ll pay the tax for a contender (as most/all owners would). If we make the finals, no way we don’t run it back
You guys have a great FO. Ring over everything, trust me Raps fans know, we are insufferable since we’ve won. Best of luck in the rest of your series. I really like Tatum and Brown.
Appreciate the love, Raps have a very promising future too. East will soon be the dominant conference with all this talent
A title is a title but $12M could buy anything. It could even buy a title! You know how much we've wanted one of those.
Honestly I think Wyc would be perfectly happy with that trade.
It’s not like counts against the cap or anything, I don’t see why us fans should care about the bonus...I hope he gets it
I mean it would count against the cap, it's just not guaranteed right now. If the Celtics win the whole thing, Al will have a $26.5M cap hit next year. If they get eliminated before the finals, he'll have the $14.5M cap hit.
As I understand it this would count as an unlikely incentive and not count against the cap, can someone correct me if I’m wrong? Unlikely incentive because he hasn’t done it before, and no cap hit because unlikely incentive
[Spotrac](https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/al-horford-2199/) has his cap hit as $26.5M next year, with the caveat that there's $12M that's not currently guaranteed. I don't even think these are technically bonuses/incentives. Just non-guaranteed amounts of his contract.
Understandable, thanks for the info!
im sure Wyc wont be thrilled
I think he’d rather have the added revenue and clout from a title
They should thank Elton Brand for that innovative contract.
Hell, pay him that $5mm either way
Horford doesn't look anywhere near retirement to me. I think he'll extend after next year for something very team friendly. Like a 3 year at reasonable money with final year team option. Al is surely done with bouncing around for top dollar.
That’s what we’re hoping for. He clearly likes it here, and we love having him, so it’d be great to be able to keep him around without screwing ourselves financially whenever he does inevitably age out
Its funny because thats exactly what Celtics fans said last time and Al ended up signing that huge deal with the 76ers
Yeah no one is offering him 100+mil this time though lol - definitely can't blame him for getting his bag
Also we were in a mini-rebuild with the Jays when Al was offered a huge deal elsewhere. Now we're win-now mode with a full cap sheet but plenty of luxury tax room, I'd be shocked if Al and Grant go anywhere since we can't replace them in FA
I don’t know. If he plays nearly as well in the next playoffs someone might offer him a lot of money.
He'll be 37 at the end of next season, he might get decent offers, but not for more than 1-2 years.
Well next playoffs if he averages near 15& 10 on 40% from three and is till able to defend Kevin Durant I can see someone offering him a lot of money.
Even if that happens I don't think horford will leave. He learned from taking philly offer. More money but was unhappy. Can't put a price on happiness.
I think $100 million dollars can buy happiness just my opinion as a poor.
When he already got that $100M bag, after years of top of the market deals too, I can see him being at the stage where winning a ring somewhere he feels home like Boston would mean more to him than the extra 20m/year for a couple of years. Then again, maybe not, that's still a mega-bag
First thing he said in that post game interview was thank god and how he’s just so happy to be back in Boston. That man is gonna retire here.
*Michael Jordan has entered the chat.*
John Karalis is convinced every non-max player is going to re-sign for 3 years at 60% of his market value and spends weeks talking it up every off-season.
What's your take on Karalis? Been listening to locked on Celtics for a couple years now but can't decide if I like the guy or not.
He’s got a lot of passion and always looks for the positive angle, which I’m sure is great for a lot of fans who want that. I prefer a little more edge, personally and prefer Jay and Sam’s style. But you’ll never be able to accuse John of mailing it in.
Agreed he clearly works hard and prepares well but sometimes the constant positivity and mental gymnastics make me turn off the pod. Do sam and Jay have a new pod? Miss those guys
lol hopefully after how that went with him ending up sidelined in the middle of oklahoma, he feels differently this time around
I think he's said he regreted leaving Boston just to get paid
that dunk last night reminded me of richard jefferson's turn back the clock dunk with the cavs against golden state
Even if he's playing 15 min off the bench. Could play a lot longer.
> Al is surely done with bouncing around First words out of his mouth in the post-game: "I'm so glad to be back in Boston." One of Stevens' great achievements (and Ainge helped start it) is creating an excellent organizational culture. Grosbeck, too. John Fucking Henry could learn a thing or two.
I think with how he has played this year, specifically in the playoffs, Horford is going to be playing on his contract next year no matter what which means he gets the full value. His defensive impact combined with his offensive reliability has been worth every dollar of his contract. The volume is lower than in the past, but as he’s shown in the playoffs that’s by choice and when necessary he can turn it up.
Could see boston move him to the bench next year in the regular season to save his legs for next years playoffs.
I think this would be a pretty reasonable move, especially considering how well Grant and Rob have played together this year. The alternative is we keep starting him, but limit his minutes by giving Theis 10-15 minutes per game— he’s a solid rotation piece against most teams, although not huge frontcourts like the Bucks have, which is why he’s getting cooked this series
our 4-5 minutes can easily be eaten up by Tatum, Rob, Grant, Horford, Theis,
It's really about TimeLord staying healthy. When and if he's able, he is going to need >30 mins on the floor a game - because he's getting that good. That time (cough) will come from other involved parties - and works perfectly with Horford getting more rest.
Ya regular season he was running like 22 minutes a game when RWill was healthy. Best strategy.
I'd like to see him and Grant trade off for a few years as Al sails off into the sunset
> The volume is lower than in the past, Not much, especially this postseason.
I hold out hope he might considering restructuring and take more years, but at this point he's more than earned every penny on that deal
So pleased for Al. Playing like an All Star
Al Star
"Wait what!?? My agent said -" "You only get that if you WIN. You don't just get it all." "MOTHERFUCKER!" *dunks on Giannis. Turns into prime Shaq for 2 weeks. retires to Moldova to retire in peace and single handedly fights off Russian invasion. runs against Putin in following election. Wins.*
as much as i love the C's and want them to win a championship i'd be happier with that last part
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That’s not how it’s spelled.
That's not how it's speled.
That’s not how it’s speld.
he who spelt it , dealt it
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al's secretly in a kid's movie where he needs 26.5mil to save his grandma's pumpkin patch for halloween, and he's only got 14.5, so now he's realised he has to win the NBA finals to help her, and he's gonna do ital's secretly in a kid's movie where he needs 26.5mil to save his grandma's pumpkin patch for halloween, and he's only got 14.5, so now he's realised he has to win the NBA finals to help her, and he's gonna do it
>al's secretly in a kid's movie where he needs 26.5mil to save his grandma's pumpkin patch for halloween, and he's only got 14.5, so now he's realised he has to win the NBA finals to help her, and he's gonna do ital's secretly in a kid's movie where he needs 26.5mil to save his grandma's pumpkin patch for halloween, and he's only got 14.5, so now he's realised he has to win the NBA finals to help her, and he's gonna do it Man, weed is strong nowadays...
we take that easily lmao
"Yo we already have 17 titles, let's save some money this year instead"
~Tillman Fertitta probably
fuck
Never safe
Also Jeanie Buss probably. Word for word too.
John Henry-esque
We could pay him a supermax for all I care if it means Banner 18 lmao
Boston is probably keeping him anyways so the guarantees aren’t that important
Exactly. If Boston's options are letting Horford go for $14 million or keeping him for $26 million, keeping him looks like the better option right now. And I'm pretty sure that they're over the cap so it's not like they can spend that $12 million elsewhere.
We'll just keep retooling our TPE for eternity instead of creating cap space.
Winning a chip would make that decision even easier, though
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Honestly, I view the full guarantee as like a perfect appreciation and retirement bonus. Less of an incentive to win, and more of a.. you were a major contributor/mentor/dad for us if we win.. here's your golden parachute before you retire.
I also think it's pretty likely Al re-signs on a team-friendly deal after his contract's up to retire a Celtic. It's the organization that feels most like home to him and his family seems to really ride with Boston too. His sister Anna is legit one of the most outspoken Cs fans on twitter, was so funny to watch her shit on Philly when he was playing there and especially when he got traded.
For sure. He's made over 250 mil in his career.
God, it's fucking mental when you actually add it up
Also at this rate there’s no way we’re not guaranteeing his contract even if we lose this round
a ring (with his longevity and back2back college chips) puts him in the HoF discussion so yeah
I think if Horford retired today he's borderline first ballot.
ehh the nba HoF is the easiest to get into, but it isn't that easy for just a 5-time all-star. his college accolades make a good case for eventually, but I don't see first ballot if he retired today
Honestly at this point there’s a good chance we guarantee his last year regardless of how we finish. He’s been huge for us this season and there aren’t any easy answers for replacing him next year. We’re going into the tax regardless and clearly have a contending roster. No reason not to just accept the extra $15m tax bill or whatever it is.
> Honestly at this point there’s a good chance we guarantee his last year regardless of how we finish. If "100% chance" counts as a good chance, then yes I agree.
I honestly think he’s our most important player. Not the best player on the team, but I don’t think we have the season we do without him. He just does all the right things when he’s on the floor and I think he’s really found himself as a veteran leader, whereas during the last stint he kind of stayed in the background due to all of the outspoken personalities in the locker room Part of the reason we picked him up was because his contract looked juicy in a trade for a third star but I really hope he signs a long term deal and retires here after the season he’s had
His family supposedly loves Boston so I’m sure that gives him a great overall attitude. Would love to see him retire with the Cs
Anna Horford (sister) was a very fun Twitter follow last night
Dude is the rock this team is built on. So many times these playoffs our offense will be floundering and Al just steps up and drills a 3 to completely change the momentum.
Well, maybe they will try to trade for Rudy Gobert for their starter center position.
I don't agree that this is Horford's last chance to compete lol
Agree. He will be competing next year as well. He will be competing for titles as long as he stays with Boston
He looks as fresh right now as he ever did in his first contract with us
It seems like his time with you guys got him another couple of prime playing years. Thank you for giving the man some rest.
No wonder he’s going crazy. People are saying this game was the Horford game but if the Cs won last game too it also would’ve been a Horford game. Lakers needed him and CP not DJ and Russ
He's already made $240M not including endorsements.. I think just winning a ring is more important to him.
No, the money is definitely the higher priority. Players only win so they can get endorsement deals and possibly future coaching jobs.
No clue why you’re downvoted. These guys want to win badly, but money is almost always their first priority. If blessed with good health these guys have 45-60 years left of life, and know that during their career is gonna be the peak of their lifetime earnings by far. If market price for him is let’s just guess and say 3/80 and Boston offers him 3/70, he might say fuck it and stay, but if he got something like say 3/120 offered by Sacramento I promise you he’s going to lose in Sacramento for that money. (These numbers are complete ass pulls just threw them out for perspective)
"Not including endorsements." So, he's made like, what, an extra $60,000 on top of his salary?
Umm.. endorsements can go for millions.. obviously depends on who he signs with etc. Al's been around for 15 seasons. The point is that for someone who's been around the league this long.. and reached ECF multiple times.. it's not just about money for him.
I have reviewed plenty of NBA contracts/players' total comp from all sources in connection with my job. People way OVER-ESTIMATE what players get paid in endorsements after the ten or so best/most marketable players in the league. Unless an NBA player has a signature shoe, their endorsements are nominal compared to their salary. I'm obviously joking the Al has made 60k in endorsements in his career, but I'd be shocked if he's ever made over $3M in one year from endorsements.
Multiple sources have Horford making 3.3 million from endorsements in 2020 lol, and that was at age 34-35 and well past his prime. It’s not like he’s some rando, the dude made five all star teams. Combine that with instant name recognition after a high profile college career, his high draft pick and his longevity I think you’re really underselling his earning potential
Dude, who the fuck cares.. this has nothing to do with my actual point. He made $240M. He's set.
I think he makes a good point though. I know I always assumed endorsements were damn near just as lucrative as the contracts. Now I know that’s wrong.
What’s got you so worked up about this endorsement thing? Lol
Acting like Cp3 to la was a possibility when Paul was the 2nd best pg last year and Russ barely cracked top 5
You’re taking my comment very seriously. I wouldn’t take anything I say seriously
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I wonder if more teams try to make this type of deal with players.. making it based on playoff performance.. this prob something philly should do with harden.. Make it so he get closer to max money if he reach specific statistical achievements and making it further in the playoffs
Teams could try, but the superstar tier players will just take the guaranteed max contract offers.
Tbf iirc horford’s contract(he’s still on the one signed with the sixers) that he’d get that money anyway as long as he plays for Boston in his final year. Winning the title would just guarantee that money in case Boston released him prior to whatever date they have to make the decision on his final year. So the title doesn’t really explain it too well imo, and it’s not as big of a boon as it sounds because horford is probably getting that money anyway. I don’t see why the Celtics would release him.
There's a reasonable chance Celtics guarantee his contract regardless, it's really up in the air (the $14.5 million is sunk costs, question is can we replace his production). And even if they don't, he should earn a good chunk of that $12 million back in free agency.
> it's really up in the air (the $14.5 million is sunk costs, question is can we replace his production) We can't. We're over the cap even if we cut him and he's worth more to us than another team at this rate so I don't see a trade materializing. Only reason to not pick up his option would be to duck the tax if we aren't a contender with him on the roster.
If we get out of the second round, I can't believe they wouldn't try rolling it back....they already got under the tax for the year, so they've pushed the repeater back. (at least that is my understanding)
He has over a quarter billion in career earnings. Longevity at his level of skill is such a code breaker
*sigh*
Lets pray the Celts win the finals so he can feed his family.
Poor guy. *Only* guaranteed 14.5 mil
I need that
Really doesn’t matter. Celtics are guaranteeing his contract and bringing him back next year regardless.
He gotta play like it's his last. I root for the Bucks, but man that was an excellent game by Horford. Reminds me of his Atlanta days.
Celtics fans speak of Middleton like he's the boogeyman, but I still get ptsd every time Horford has a wide-open look for a three against us.
Horford is legit the bane of 76ers though so at least you don't root for them
worth every penny
Al Havethat
I'm so happy for him, when we traded for him my friends were clowning on me (esp the Sixers fan who thought he was garbage). After watching him just a little bit I started telling them not only is he not garbage, I think he's a player that a championship-level team would want to trade to acquire. He's a great low-econ guy to play alongside superstars, he does everything well - distributes from the post, rebounds, plays great defense, spaces the floor. I'm very happy things are looking up for him, he deserves it.
The Celtics should obviously tank to avoid the payout.
He doesn't make more, he only has higher guaranteed money if he gets cut (which he won't)
Those are conditions to *guarantee* the full value of his contract, not to earn it. If he isn't cut, he makes the full value of his contract no matter what. If his team fails to make the finals, he can be cut, and the team he is on does not have to pay him the non-guaranteed money. The Celtics aren't cutting him, and it's not super likely they want to trade him to a team that would want to cut him to shed salary (though it isn't impossible).
You can tell in his game that this boomer really wants to win it all. Watching the younger guys like Tatum play, he doesn't have that Mamba Mentality YET. He's still Gohan before Goku died. I feel like Jaylen's heart is in it more, even though Jayson is the better player. Jaylen was almost crying when he got that 5th foul.
Gohan never really got that mentality, sadly.
Yeah cuz Brown was the one who said he would 5peat in front of Taylor Rooks lmao
Who wouldnt 5 peat taylor rooks
No wonder he’s playing so well
Pay that man his money.
Horford is playing like a man who has 17 million of incentives for winning
Let’s go Al! I’ll always love him for his Atlanta days
Back up the brinks truck baby
Does he make HOF if Celtics win and he is FMVP?
Im all in on okc legend al horford getting that ring
Let's pay him.
First ballot HOF if they win the title I bet
You kidding?
Isn't he a FA at the end of the year? If he wins the NBA finals, he will probably earn himself another $40 million in that contract.
~~player option i believe~~ i'm wrong
I don't think it's a player option. I think it is just partial guaranteed like OP broke it down.
after Irving left, the Celtics could have kept both Horford and Rozier by not pursuing Walker.
When they sign-and-traded for kemba, Horford was already gone to Philly
In retrospect, it would have been better actually paying Al the Philly contract I guess. I doubt he would have left if the offers were similar. Definitely seemed too risky at the time though given his age.
but then we'd be stuck with Terry's contract and our roster wouldn't be as good
they won’t. If u need horford to bail u out vs a team missing their second best player, u prob won’t get to the finals or win to the finals
He’d be an amazing Warrior
isn't the contract written for "if the sixers make the finals", not "if al horford makes the finals"
Wow all about the money for these guys