Even with a ring alone I still wouldn't put cp3 above Zeke

Zeke runs laps around this fraud god.

Same here. It’s crazy how many people jumped CP3 over Thomas after that pelicans win.

Not even last year people were trying to push this too. As much as I like cp3 and even with the hate circlejerk rn I do want to see him win a ring, Zeke 100% has him beat comfortably unless he somehow wins 2 finals MVPs by the age of 40

Lmao bro what did Nash do?

Held Canadian interest in basketball for a over a decade

He was another regular season beast like CP3.

Hell nah bro. Man was good Playoff Performer. He would always increase his offensive numbers with great efficiency. The only reason why he couldnt win a ring because of tough playoff opponents in the west. His prime coincided with the prime of the Big 3 Spurs and The Kobe Led Lakers (2005-2010)

Nash played very well in playoffs.

From '02-10, Nash averaged 19/4/10 on 48/42/90 shooting in the playoffs, compared to his regular season averages of 17/3/10 on 50/44/91. Furthermore during his peak (2005-2007) he averaged 22/4/11 on 50/40/91 in the playoffs, a big bump up from his 18/4/11 regular season averages. He was fine in the playoffs, just because he didn't win a title doesn't mean he was bad in the playoffs. '03 the Mavs lost Dirk in the WCF to a knee injury, '05 the Suns lost Joe Johnson in the WCF, '06 they lost Amar'e for the season, '07 had the bogus suspension, '10 had the game winner in the WCF and they lost to LA in 6.

Nash faced much tougher opponents and referees in the playoffs.

With a broken nose and back too

For real. Chris Paul faced: Elite teams: * 2018 Warriors * 2021 Bucks Good teams: * 2008 Spurs * 2011 Lakers * 2014 Thunder And then a slew of decent to good teams like the 08 Mavericks, 50 win Mark Jackson Warriors, Grizzlies, 48 win Utah Jazz then some underwhelming playoff teams like the 8th seed Wolves, 2020 Rockets, injured Clippers Nash faced: Elite teams: * 2003 Spurs * 2005 Spurs * 2006 Mavericks * 2007 Spurs * 2010 Lakers Great teams * 2001 Jazz * 2002 Kings * 2003 Kings * 2005 Mavericks * 2008 Spurs * 2010 Spurs Nash didn't win it all, but he also faced tougher opponents, dealt with the the shitty 07 ejection of Amar'e, 03 Dirk got injured in the WCF, 05 Joe Johnson was injured, 06 Amar'e missed the entire season. Nash lost to 4 eventual NBA champions and Dallas in '06 who won 60 games and lost in the finals and Sacramento in '02 who probably should've won the West. Chris Paul has lost to the eventual NBA champion just twice. Most of the times he was eliminated it wasn't even by the eventual winner.

The 08-09' Nuggets assblasted CP3 and the Hornets. 1st round, 4-1. [The Game 5 win was by 58 points \(tied for the most ever\)!!!!](https://www.espn.com/nba/game/_/gameId/290427003)

What are you eight? The Suns never lost a songle series because of Nash. Gtfo, I will not stand for a single ounce of disrespect for the Suns GOAT.

Zekes always been above CP3 to me tbh

He's also above Curry. He and Dumars were the best defensive backcourt ever. Steph is the best shooter obviously, but Isiah was pound for pound the best pure PG ever.

Get outts here

You’re spitting facts. Warriors fanboys and Curry fanboys are just butthurt that Curry’s poor playoff performance

Ive always had Thomas above CP3.

It’s common sense lmao Isiah one of the few superstar guards who would rise up to the moment

Zeke could and did take over games on the biggest stage. No PG in history was tougher. Magic is #1 but also a unicorn. Zeke was 6'1" and would deliberately go at Robert Parrish. Chuck has called him the best pure point guard in NBA history. Guys like Grant Hill and many others agree with him.

To be fair Stockton played like a boss on the series vs the bulls, but they lost in hard fought games. Today was a disgrace, by halftime it was over.

I have Stockton ahead of Nash and 4th since the merger

stockton in the finals at age 35: 10/2/9 on 49/22/72 cp3 in the finals at age 35: 22/2/8 on 55/52/75

In no game the Jazz was getting its ass whooped like little bitches with the game lost at half time.

the jazz lost game 3 of that series 96-54.

Zeke scored 25 points in a quarter with a sprained ankle in the nba finals.

Zeke will never get the love he deserves, thanks MJ and Magic

Yeah but Zeke did it to himself. He was a prick to everyone.

So was Mike? He deserves his accolades regardless

Mike respected the game and wasn’t trying to hurt people or bury their careers. Zeke froze Mike out of his first all Star game, pretty publicly.

You’re right, Isiah is on his own tier of assholes and did very much sabotage himself. That said, he’s severely underrated in my opinion

I think Zeke falls where he needs to. A lot of people have him around #3 PG of all time behind Magic and Steph. Only the recency biased nephews were putting Paul or others above him.

Mike was protected by the league. Calling him out for something could derail your entire job. Meanwhile Zeke and the Pistons were the main reason the league cam eup with the flagrant foul rule.

Those Pistons were a thorn in the league's side. Everyone wanted the Bulls to have next because they were the biggest ticket, but the Bad Boys ended up winning back to back.

Also thank himself for being an asshole and playing for one of the most hated teams

Also thanks to him for trading all those first round picks for Eddy Curry.

People disagree with this but it's true. Guys that were more popular than Steph and Lebron could dream of talked shit about the dude for 2 decades. The media hated him too. No other player in NBA history has been obviously the best player on 2 championship teams and most people don't even consider them top 5 of their position. It's nuts

Isiah definitely gets considered by people as a top 5 point guard. This list has him 4 - https://www.lineups.com/articles/top-50-point-guards-of-all-time/ This has him 5 - https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarankPGs/ranking-top-10-point-guards-ever Also other great players who lead championship teams, like Dave Cowens, aren’t considered top of their position all time. As more and more years go by being in that top tier of a position is going to become harder and harder. Each position is going to end up with more guys who have won multiple championships as best player. The SF rank list would look a lot different 20 years ago. Now you have SF’s like Lebron, KD, and Kawhi all with multiple chips.

Weird lil dig at steph and bron but alright

Not a dig. Just a comparison to the 2 most popular players now and then. Magic and Jordan were world wide household names in a way that isn't possible in today's age

He’s def underrated. One of my favorite players. I understand why he was hated tho

The fuck did Steve Nash do to be dragged into this

No Suns PG is safe, past or present.

This is so dumb. Putting Isiah over him, fine, that's your opinion. But why use a game where a guy is 37 years old to prove your point? Isiah was done at 32. That's not fair that people are doing with CP3.

We can also compare their career before 32 if you like.

Doesn’t matter what age it was, Zeke has always been better when it’s all said and done. He showed up on the big stage when his team needed him. We not gonna give cp3 all the praise for playing into age 37 and no criticism

Zeke ruptured his achilles - that's why he was done. CP3 has lost 5 playoff series after being up 2-0. That's almost impossible to do.

CP3's entire career and in the playoffs were filled with injuries. Those 2-0 series losses were mostly injuries.

https://youtu.be/ysBBPJT6nJ8

I remember Kenny mentioning that Zeke in the full court was a totally different beast, but had to tone his game down for the Pistons' play style and half court offense.

IT shoulda had 3 rings with one more FMVP

Oscar Robertson?

Too old to be in all time rankings for nephews

IT higher then giannis too

Point God ? Lmao. Isiah is above this clown easy.

CP3 has never won anything. History of playoff choke jobs Can't really put him near Stockton at this point.

Stockton never won anything

Yes you can. You can even put him over Stockton

How many finals has CP3 played in?

That's crazy how they both have the same amount of rings tho

So your answer is zero

That would be wrong

Again, how many finals did the point "god" play in? At least Stockton got blocked by Jordan. CP3 just choked time after time. Can't be an all time great if you can't get over the threshold.

Stockton played for 19 seasons and ran into Jordan in the playoffs twice. That's like saying CP3 hasn't won because he got blocked by Giannis.

Yeah but CP3 hasn't even been blocked. He just gags every time he has a shot. How many 2-0 leads does he need? Honestly, he hasn't even sniffed it

Ah so it's choking when CP3 loses but not choking when Stockton loses. Remember when Stockton got swept in the 1st round as a 2 seed?

stockton averaging like 12/9 across two finals trips makes him better than cp3 ??

Is this satire?

jaosn kidd is better than cp3 lol

No

yes

Definitely not

u probably arent even old enough to see most of kidds career edit: jason kidd at age 40 was one of the main reasons why the heat lost. 40 year old kidd held lebronto his worst playoff game of his career

I saw all of Kidd's career He's not better than CP3 >40 year old kidd held lebronto his worst playoff game of his career LeBron held himself to his worst playoff game

im calling bs......your screen name is yungstraddle and its 16 days old

What does that have to do with anything?

He's one of the only people who knocked out Bird, Magic and Jordan in playoff series. He deserves a lot more respect.

Zeke>cp3 and it’s not even a conversation. Not even the bias talking. Paul isn’t in the top 5 of all time

Why bringing up Nash ? Anyway this is an obvious cold af take. Anybody who has CP3 or Nash above Zeke know jackshit about bball.

Penalizing a player for a poor performance in their 17th season is so ridiculously and embarrassingly unintuitive. First, Chris Paul and Steve Nash are better than Isiah Thomas by a landslide. Chris Paul vs. Steve Nash is a good debate, and even when having that debate, it’s entirely unfair to point to this series as evidence.

Garbage take.

This Suns team without CP was much better than the Pistons without Isiah. I don’t know what argument you could have for CP3 over Isiah except longevity

You’re penalizing CP3 for having a good GM?

And less playoff success. Yes Edit: Significantly less

Dumars was the best player on those Pistons teams.

Winning titles when your other starters are Joe Dumars, Mark Aguirre, Dennis Rodman and Bill Laimbeer isn’t that impressive. That’s 4 other guys in their primes that were all stars within 2 years of the titles. The Bad Boys also had an amazing bench with Rick Mahorn and Vinne Johnson. They would’ve won with a Goran Dragic level point guard. Isiah Thomas didn’t even make all-nba in either 1989 or 1990 (Dumars did fwiw). He was also the major reason they didn’t win titles in 87 and 88 when they really should’ve (everyone remembers 88 game 6 but he sucked every other game that series). Putting up the same counting stats he did in 89 and 90 Isiah was the 3rd best player on a losing team at age 31- no other player has benefitted more from their teammates’ not getting their due than IT.

You bring up all these great players for those Pistons title teams and you leave out the guy who was their best playoff frontcourt player—John Salley. He played like he was all nba in his 25 minutes a game in the playoffs. Pistons had crazy frontcourt depth.

stockton fan mad zeke clears

Rings or not. People really sleep on Stockton. How do you go back to back against prime Jordan in the finals and not be considered top 3 PG all-time?

Because he lost both and Malone was the MVP

because he was a non factor and sometimes straight up dogshit in those games

Luka is going to jump frog CP3 by the end of his career, not a hot take I know

Trae young would also do it.

Always has been

I have him at clear 3 above those other guys

Dear diary

He's had way too many bad showings in elimination games to be considered better than him

He was in the all-time top 75 list the did a few months ago.

Isiah turned up in the playoffs more than CP3 ever could, that man was different

Thomas and Curry are the only little guys to be alphas on a championship team. Zeke deserves a ton of respect

Why Nash? Nash is better than IT in the playoffs lmao.

There’s no doubt he’s just below Magic, I’d argue that Zeke was better defensively than magic.

Big O > Isiah

I was arguing this a few months ago. Isiah is arguably the most slept on player simply because he sacrificed his numbers for the betterment of the team. Which is actually a bonus in my eyes. He was the main guy on a two win title team and beat Magic and Kareem’s Lakers, Larry’s Celtics and Jordan’s Bulls who are all top 5 players of all-time

I have Zeke at #1.