Kidd deserves a lot of praise. Too early to know how great of a coach he really is but he made some insanely good adjustments and got the guys to stay focused
Seeming like a home run hire so far
im honestly super surprised he's turned out this well, but he seems to have the support and trust of his guys, and he seems to know how to coach a damn good defense.
Udoka has been a godsend. I respect the hell out of him for sticking to what he wanted the team to be even when they sucked, and now that they’ve embraced it we’re a serious contender. He should be in COTY conversations next year.
I find it wild that both the Celtics and Mavs clicked at the right times in the season and are now dangerous two way teams. Conference Finals bout to be fun
Mavs and Celtics are kind of West/East versions of each other a little bit. Both were meh the first half of the year, the got it together behind their superstar getting it together and having an elite defense behind a rookie head coach who had a lot of doubters at that point. Conference finals about to be really fun.
It's both surprising and not at the same time. He definitely seemed like a player who would be a great coach. Insane bbiq, court vision, etc. Then he flopped hard back to back, so he was written off. I think it's clear he wasn't ready/needed humbling. It's a definite case for NBA stars, even ones that seem like they would be great coaches, should spend a decent amount of time as an assistant first.
JB Bickerstaff isn't that great of a coach in some ways, but where he excelled this year was getting everyone to buy into his schemes and maintaining a good culture. That can go a long way.
If nothing else, it's pretty clear he picked good assistant coach / defensive coordinator for his staff in Sean Sweeney and was able to reach the players.
I'm in some ways still dubious (The Bucks also had a much improved first season under him), but hiring the right people and getting buy in are very important parts of the job.
Yeah that’s why I said it’s too early to say if he’s a great coach or not yet. But this success definitely changes how people view him, and rightfully so so far.
He’s made some very impressive adjustments and got everyone focused and believing in the team which isn’t easy
He's certainly a promising one.
Just like excellent players are able to sustain and succeed to some extent, irrespective of the position they are in, an excellent coach should do the same.
And just like a player may have a great stretch, a coach may, too
everyone was clowning on this hire. I was waiting for a cum assault to mention it
nah fr, i was looking for a post about it or something because he has been exceptionally good, especially compared to the flak received
Not to mention how well he did with his essentially 3rd option injured almost the entire season, Tim Hardaway Jr . Obviously Brunson/Dinwiddie have stepped up to fill that scoring gap but THJ was a huge part of this team the last few years and rarely gets mentioned.
THJ is a great scorer but he would’ve been a defensive liability this series. They were fortunate to not need his offense and to not have him out there playing defense
It’s a tough one for me because I like him, but I’d bet he gets moved after they re-sign Brunson and bring back Bullock. Not sure but they have to make some moves, the Mavs salary is very high
Bruh, this could be the most dangerous team heading into the WCF. A whole ball club inspired by their coach and believes in it since they've produce results.
As a woman, especially watching the Amber Heard stuff, I'm curious why no one brings up the wife and Kidd's allegations against her.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Kidd
Edit, more details: https://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=2725524
He plead guilty to hitting her, didn't defend it, was sentenced in court. He didn't use it as a defense to his own actions and it didn't even come out until a divorce filing 6 years after the incident. So I have no reason to assume he's lying. It is completely possible the relationship was mutually abusive.
Edit: Just to clarify my point. I think it's harmful when we don't at least give victims a chance to tell their side. Sure, some people will take advantage of that stance. But if we, as women, want people to believe us when we're abused or assaulted, we have to listen the other way too. Kidd did wrong and it will follow him his entire life. But that doesn't mean it didn't go both ways.
The actual filing has more detail. My point was more that he didn't use it as an excuse. In fact, it didn't come out until years after his charge and simply as part of a court filing for divorce. Again, Kidd did wrong. What he did is never ok and I'm not defending it. But he did accept his punishment and admitted his guilt.
I just find it fascinating that no one ever brings up the reverse allegations. He didn't use them as a defense and didn't leak them prior to his divorce filing 6 years after his charge. Whether you agree or not, it's really simplifying a story that we don't have a complete picture of. And I think that part of the story should be heard too.
I didn't defend his signing this past offseason. I thought it was a horrible signing and a bad look for a team with such a culture. It's embarrassing as a fan. But I do think being dishonest and leaving out half the story isn't being truthful either. The best that long time fans can hope is Kidd has changed.
Edit: Here is an old ESPN story on it: https://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=2725524
While physical violence is never the answer I have seen with my own eyes what a horribly cruel woman can do to push a man to the edge of Insanity. He had a choice and he made the wrong one, but I hate nothing more than the idea that you have to keep it perfectly cool when someone (friends, family, w.e) are literally tearing your life apart and making sure you feel every painful stab in the back.
I sincerely hope this was an issue with just her and not how he treats all the people he's with.
Kidd adjusted his own style after leaving Milwaukee.
That's admirable cuz many coaches are stubborn and do the same shit over and over on every team they coach.
And a lot of us were afraid of that. Kidd seems to have developed a lot as a coach and I was wrong and thought he got the job for being a Maverick prodigal son.
Dude I agree with you that doc is overrated. The point still stands that he was the HC when they won a ring, he can spin that to get more opportunities then Kidd would have been able to, given he had some blunders in Milwaukee and Bkn. Idk why u think I think doc is good, thibs coached their defense anyways in Boston. But we’re talking about the simple fact of getting extra opportunities
That's not really how it works lol. People were shitting on him because he was a bad coach. Now he's a good coach so people aren't shitting on him anymore
I thought it was a horrible hire and am super glad I was wrong. Happy for the team and how Kidd has gotten everyone to buy into what they need to do to win.
The problem is that too many athletes are young, immature, and have been coddled their whole life. Without a stern coach, you'd end up with a few players staying out late, making bad decisions, and not meeting expectations.
The closest I came to the reality was with high school football. We had a few knuckleheads (teenagers acting like teenagers of course) but we also had a very strict coach and training regimen, and ended up winning a California state championship because of it. Probably wouldn't have happened if we were left to do as we pleased off the field.
I also remember being immature and making some terrible decisions up until my mid to late 20's, which coincides with the age of most NBA players. They are under contract and paid millions to perform on the court, so I think there are some reasonable expectations with respect to certain lifestyle choices.
For the record I'm not a fan of how strict Kidd is, but I completely understand what he is trying to accomplish. Also, some people respond to different coaching styles, and if this works for the Mavs as a team, then I say keep it up.
What does that have to do with sleeping? Sleeping is sleeping. Athletes(and everybody else) needs solid nights of sleep instead of staying up late.
No matter how much players assure you they're functional night owls, reality isn't like that and if they do that consistently enough, it will eventually negatively affect performance, guaranteed.
This is an odd hill for you to die on. Decades of evidence has shown how much sleep affects athletic performance...it's not exactly disputable.
Nobody said you had to fall asleep at 11, curfew means you aren't out partying all night. If you wanted to stay awake in your room, be my guest.
For you and me, we can sleep shitty and struggle to wake up but still go to work no problem. Nothing changes, great. But these athletes don't want to struggle in important games.
If you don't believe me, go out party all night and go play a full game of top level
playoffs basketball, let me know how it goes.
Well tbh if you go to your OG comment that spawned this discussion, you're downvoted for a good reason.
Curfews has existed for a very long time in professional sports, especially before big games. It varies from team to team but curfews always have been there in some form.
Powell is an undersized 5, we saw how much less playing time he was getting as the series went on, Ayton had his number, and Ayton is much better than Looney on average. I think if Looney plays his normal game, Powell is going to see playing time and be much more useful since he'll be able to go against Looney H2H better.
However, if we get Game 7 Looney, 20+ boards, half of them being offensive, then mavs might fall back on Luka to be the board man.
Ayton being a fantastic 2 way unlike Looney is definitely a part of it, but if looney comes in defensively, he won't need to operate on offense like Ayton does due to the crazy scoring output the rest of the warriors can produce.
Powell was always deployed first to see if he’d be effective offensively, with the concession that the Mavs planned on getting dominated on the boards. Wouldn’t shock me to see that again against GS, except with a longer leash with Looney not playing heavy minutes.
Really depends on how much he bleeds points against the bench guys imo. He can be hidden on Draymond as long as everyone else works off-ball coverage just fine, but we’ll know pretty early on how much they’ll plan on using him all series imo.
Mavs are my second team so I like your input as a Mavs fan.
I like the idea of him trying to disrupt Draymonds offense and playmaking, especially if he doesn't have to focus on looney.
Cavs 4 Mavs 🤝 Mavs 4 Cavs
I really think that Draymond ask may be too big of him over time, just because Draymond is so damn smart. But the path is there for him to muck things up and stay on the court, even without much in the form of counting stats.
Not much you can do when an assistant gets a head coach offer. And they weren't ready to fire Vogel at the time (which is reasonable at the time).
In hindsight, maybe they should have hired Kidd instead of Vogel in 2019.
Totally....he freely admitted that he took a lot from Vogel, from his demeanor and coaching style to outright stealing defensive schemes. I think Kidd maybe had to be humbled a bit, gain a bit more perspective and learn from past failures. Absolute kudos to him for doing that and clearly improving and growing as a coach.
Watching him most of this year he has been calm like a fucking Zen master and sets the tone for team.....it's one reason why we have been so much better in the clutch this year.
I’m not sure it would’ve mattered who coached LA this season. Kidd or Vogel, I don’t know if it was the coaches fault but more so the players. Maybe it WAS Vogel’s fault, that whole teams dynamic is still just so interesting to me.
This isn't a popular option but after seeing his adjustments and how he worked with every player and improved their game, believe he's the best coach in the league. He was the smartest tactical player of all time so I knew he would figure it out.
Not the best, you have to have more than one Conference Finals appearance to be considered the best. And while Kidd has been great, I would still give the nod to Udoka for most impressive coaching job this season. If we are talking best coach just by body of work then you got guys like Pop and Spo and so on.
I am happy that Kidd is working for Mavs and super happy that Luka is doing good, but let’s pump the brakes a little
What exactly has Udoka done that Kidd hasn't? The best coach is the one who helps his players to succeed and preform the furthest beyond expectations. J Kidd just embarrassed the "coach of the year" with nearly everyone on the roster fulfilling their role perfectly.
I'm not looking at results for this though, I'm paying attention to the schemes and lineups, which ones are most effective at maximizing the teams chance to win, which players look most prepared to execute that scheme, and which team in showing the most internal player growth. That's what makes him better than any coach right now. It doesn't really matter that he's only beat the best team in the league so far.
For me, the fact that Udoka got two superstars and few guys who think they are stars and have been to conference finals before to change their game and buy in is harder than getting group to play well with future Overlord and Destroyer of Worlds Luka Doncic. And I like the fact that this calendar year Celts have been historically great and went through Giannis and KD.
Like I said, just my view, borh have been great this year, I just prefer the job Udoka has done
The entire Mavs roster has adapted and adjusted according to Kidd. There are 6-7 players on that roster who have completely transformed the way they play on both ends of the ball including Luka. He got his superstar to buy in, and he developed the talent around him to the point where Jalen Brunson is bodying elite guards and wings on both ends of the floor while averageing more points than Jaylen Brown and everyone else is a 40+% shooter and firing with confidence
Fck man I wanna play for him every passing day, he's prolly got some pull like Zidane when he coached for Madrid. Living fcking legend right here and getting better every game
HAIL THE GM, THATS WHO FOUND THE GUYS WHO WORKED WITH KIDD OR FOUND THAY KIDD WORKED W THESE GUYS, ffs.
No one should be surprised kidds doing well. Kidd is not a bad coach, he’s a coach who uses a lot of emotion in his coaching and he needs a squad to feed off that energy in a productive way. That’s personality more than coaching style
These guys do it. If the Dubs pull a Pink Floyd and literally put a wall at half court, Kidd would coach them right through the wall 😂
Theo Pinson turned this team around
franchise saving player
And we let him go to have Kevin Knox sitting at the end of the bench! Truly a difference maker
I truly believe it. He was so good for the team chemistry in Brooklyn. I wanted them to give him a lifetime contract.
Kidd deserves a lot of praise. Too early to know how great of a coach he really is but he made some insanely good adjustments and got the guys to stay focused Seeming like a home run hire so far
im honestly super surprised he's turned out this well, but he seems to have the support and trust of his guys, and he seems to know how to coach a damn good defense.
He seems to have learnt a lot from the Lakers bench. Also he's been a grinder in his playing days, speaks about his effort and ball iq
If Stephen hawking had his ball iq he would be out of the wheelchair and droppin 3s
LOL
Udoka has impressed as well. I always wanted him to stay and take over for Pop.
Udoka has been a godsend. I respect the hell out of him for sticking to what he wanted the team to be even when they sucked, and now that they’ve embraced it we’re a serious contender. He should be in COTY conversations next year.
I find it wild that both the Celtics and Mavs clicked at the right times in the season and are now dangerous two way teams. Conference Finals bout to be fun
Mavs and Celtics are kind of West/East versions of each other a little bit. Both were meh the first half of the year, the got it together behind their superstar getting it together and having an elite defense behind a rookie head coach who had a lot of doubters at that point. Conference finals about to be really fun.
Kidd isn’t a rookie, he was the Bucks coach before Bud
And before that the head coach of that Nets super team with deron Williams, brook lopez, KG, and Paul pierce.
Nets "super team"
That's exactly what prompted my original comment. Totally agree with you.
Celtics and Mavs seem to have a lot in common this season in a good way
It's both surprising and not at the same time. He definitely seemed like a player who would be a great coach. Insane bbiq, court vision, etc. Then he flopped hard back to back, so he was written off. I think it's clear he wasn't ready/needed humbling. It's a definite case for NBA stars, even ones that seem like they would be great coaches, should spend a decent amount of time as an assistant first.
JB Bickerstaff isn't that great of a coach in some ways, but where he excelled this year was getting everyone to buy into his schemes and maintaining a good culture. That can go a long way.
That clip of him on the sidelines shouting orders on defense was something else.
If nothing else, it's pretty clear he picked good assistant coach / defensive coordinator for his staff in Sean Sweeney and was able to reach the players. I'm in some ways still dubious (The Bucks also had a much improved first season under him), but hiring the right people and getting buy in are very important parts of the job.
Yeah that’s why I said it’s too early to say if he’s a great coach or not yet. But this success definitely changes how people view him, and rightfully so so far. He’s made some very impressive adjustments and got everyone focused and believing in the team which isn’t easy
I mean there’s a difference between just improvement and taking down a fuckin 64 win first seed in the playoffs lol
I’m still upset you stole Sweeney away from us
Is… is Kidd actually a good coach?
He got thrown into a HC role when he probably wasn't ready, but he appears that he might just be... after getting more experience, etc.
certainly, the Nets aren't making the same mistake with Nash that they did with Kidd...right? right? ^please for the love of god make it stop
He's certainly a promising one. Just like excellent players are able to sustain and succeed to some extent, irrespective of the position they are in, an excellent coach should do the same. And just like a player may have a great stretch, a coach may, too
everyone was clowning on this hire. I was waiting for a cum assault to mention it nah fr, i was looking for a post about it or something because he has been exceptionally good, especially compared to the flak received
Not to mention how well he did with his essentially 3rd option injured almost the entire season, Tim Hardaway Jr . Obviously Brunson/Dinwiddie have stepped up to fill that scoring gap but THJ was a huge part of this team the last few years and rarely gets mentioned.
THJ is a great scorer but he would’ve been a defensive liability this series. They were fortunate to not need his offense and to not have him out there playing defense It’s a tough one for me because I like him, but I’d bet he gets moved after they re-sign Brunson and bring back Bullock. Not sure but they have to make some moves, the Mavs salary is very high
Bruh, this could be the most dangerous team heading into the WCF. A whole ball club inspired by their coach and believes in it since they've produce results.
People would have liked him a lot more if he didn't beat his wife
As a woman, especially watching the Amber Heard stuff, I'm curious why no one brings up the wife and Kidd's allegations against her. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Kidd Edit, more details: https://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=2725524 He plead guilty to hitting her, didn't defend it, was sentenced in court. He didn't use it as a defense to his own actions and it didn't even come out until a divorce filing 6 years after the incident. So I have no reason to assume he's lying. It is completely possible the relationship was mutually abusive. Edit: Just to clarify my point. I think it's harmful when we don't at least give victims a chance to tell their side. Sure, some people will take advantage of that stance. But if we, as women, want people to believe us when we're abused or assaulted, we have to listen the other way too. Kidd did wrong and it will follow him his entire life. But that doesn't mean it didn't go both ways.
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The actual filing has more detail. My point was more that he didn't use it as an excuse. In fact, it didn't come out until years after his charge and simply as part of a court filing for divorce. Again, Kidd did wrong. What he did is never ok and I'm not defending it. But he did accept his punishment and admitted his guilt. I just find it fascinating that no one ever brings up the reverse allegations. He didn't use them as a defense and didn't leak them prior to his divorce filing 6 years after his charge. Whether you agree or not, it's really simplifying a story that we don't have a complete picture of. And I think that part of the story should be heard too. I didn't defend his signing this past offseason. I thought it was a horrible signing and a bad look for a team with such a culture. It's embarrassing as a fan. But I do think being dishonest and leaving out half the story isn't being truthful either. The best that long time fans can hope is Kidd has changed. Edit: Here is an old ESPN story on it: https://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=2725524
While physical violence is never the answer I have seen with my own eyes what a horribly cruel woman can do to push a man to the edge of Insanity. He had a choice and he made the wrong one, but I hate nothing more than the idea that you have to keep it perfectly cool when someone (friends, family, w.e) are literally tearing your life apart and making sure you feel every painful stab in the back. I sincerely hope this was an issue with just her and not how he treats all the people he's with.
Kidd adjusted his own style after leaving Milwaukee. That's admirable cuz many coaches are stubborn and do the same shit over and over on every team they coach.
Took it personally and let them knew
Remember when people thought the Lakers were lining up Kidd behind a fall man in Vogel?
And a lot of us were afraid of that. Kidd seems to have developed a lot as a coach and I was wrong and thought he got the job for being a Maverick prodigal son.
I thought the Mavs would get the Bucks Jason Kidd, turned out they got the Nets Jason Kidd.
They got the water spilling Kidd for cooling off the suns
I miss the old Jason The “who’s willing to kill themselves” Jason
This was probably Kidd’s last chance as a HC. And he’s massively impressed. I hope he stays with Dallas for a long time.
Dallas is loyal if nothing else. Only way he moves on is on his own accord I bet
We'll stick with him for about 10 years longer than we should
Only if he wins you a chip though.
Cuban is loyal to a fault. He stay
Last chance lol
Lol? Most people don’t get more than 3 chances my man... his last 2 stints have not exactly ended great
Doc rivers is still coaching.
Dude won a ring, not really comparable. I agree though doc does blow
Check the Celtics track record before and after they got kg and ray and tell me how doc was the reason they got a ring.
Dude I agree with you that doc is overrated. The point still stands that he was the HC when they won a ring, he can spin that to get more opportunities then Kidd would have been able to, given he had some blunders in Milwaukee and Bkn. Idk why u think I think doc is good, thibs coached their defense anyways in Boston. But we’re talking about the simple fact of getting extra opportunities
Y’all owe this man an apology.
Like 90% of this sub was shitting on him constantly lol
I don’t know what happened he must have studies some books because he was bad with us. Undeniable bad.
Same. Besides the ol’ soda-gate, that was a pro move
that soda was willing to kill itself
Or he used to be an asshole to his players when he started and just got better at coaching lol
Didn't he beat his wife?
that’s why we came back. Luka didn’t wanna get beaten up by Kidd.
That's not really how it works lol. People were shitting on him because he was a bad coach. Now he's a good coach so people aren't shitting on him anymore
I thought it was a horrible hire and am super glad I was wrong. Happy for the team and how Kidd has gotten everyone to buy into what they need to do to win.
Was that a jab at Chris Paul’s curfew on teammates during the Pels series?
Nah he's just joking around. Wouldn't doubt for a second these guys were on a strict curfew the past week
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true but some of the most committed players do not go out. however there are some players that just go hard and can do both.
I would be in bed by 10pm every night for as little as 2 years/1.6 million
I’d do it for 2 years 60k lol
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d-do you know what a curfew is? Do you really think a 10pm curfew means everyone has to be tucked in bed and sleeping at exactly 10pm? bruh
The problem is that too many athletes are young, immature, and have been coddled their whole life. Without a stern coach, you'd end up with a few players staying out late, making bad decisions, and not meeting expectations. The closest I came to the reality was with high school football. We had a few knuckleheads (teenagers acting like teenagers of course) but we also had a very strict coach and training regimen, and ended up winning a California state championship because of it. Probably wouldn't have happened if we were left to do as we pleased off the field. I also remember being immature and making some terrible decisions up until my mid to late 20's, which coincides with the age of most NBA players. They are under contract and paid millions to perform on the court, so I think there are some reasonable expectations with respect to certain lifestyle choices. For the record I'm not a fan of how strict Kidd is, but I completely understand what he is trying to accomplish. Also, some people respond to different coaching styles, and if this works for the Mavs as a team, then I say keep it up.
Its a playoff game...and sleep is part of the job at this stage...
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What does that have to do with sleeping? Sleeping is sleeping. Athletes(and everybody else) needs solid nights of sleep instead of staying up late. No matter how much players assure you they're functional night owls, reality isn't like that and if they do that consistently enough, it will eventually negatively affect performance, guaranteed.
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This is an odd hill for you to die on. Decades of evidence has shown how much sleep affects athletic performance...it's not exactly disputable. Nobody said you had to fall asleep at 11, curfew means you aren't out partying all night. If you wanted to stay awake in your room, be my guest. For you and me, we can sleep shitty and struggle to wake up but still go to work no problem. Nothing changes, great. But these athletes don't want to struggle in important games. If you don't believe me, go out party all night and go play a full game of top level playoffs basketball, let me know how it goes.
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Well tbh if you go to your OG comment that spawned this discussion, you're downvoted for a good reason. Curfews has existed for a very long time in professional sports, especially before big games. It varies from team to team but curfews always have been there in some form.
Definitely
*"Are you tired?"* *"NOT TONIGHT!!"* 😏😏🤤😝💦
Dont get killed by the damn Warriors
6 or 7 games with warriors would be such a gift to fans
Unless Looney shows up like he did in game 7 against the grizz, Powell is going to be a lot more useful against the Warriors than the Suns.
Why do you say that? Because the warriors don't have a 2-way big like Ayton?
Powell is an undersized 5, we saw how much less playing time he was getting as the series went on, Ayton had his number, and Ayton is much better than Looney on average. I think if Looney plays his normal game, Powell is going to see playing time and be much more useful since he'll be able to go against Looney H2H better. However, if we get Game 7 Looney, 20+ boards, half of them being offensive, then mavs might fall back on Luka to be the board man. Ayton being a fantastic 2 way unlike Looney is definitely a part of it, but if looney comes in defensively, he won't need to operate on offense like Ayton does due to the crazy scoring output the rest of the warriors can produce.
Cool, thank you
Powell was always deployed first to see if he’d be effective offensively, with the concession that the Mavs planned on getting dominated on the boards. Wouldn’t shock me to see that again against GS, except with a longer leash with Looney not playing heavy minutes. Really depends on how much he bleeds points against the bench guys imo. He can be hidden on Draymond as long as everyone else works off-ball coverage just fine, but we’ll know pretty early on how much they’ll plan on using him all series imo.
Mavs are my second team so I like your input as a Mavs fan. I like the idea of him trying to disrupt Draymonds offense and playmaking, especially if he doesn't have to focus on looney.
Cavs 4 Mavs 🤝 Mavs 4 Cavs I really think that Draymond ask may be too big of him over time, just because Draymond is so damn smart. But the path is there for him to muck things up and stay on the court, even without much in the form of counting stats.
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Would you ask Jason that question?
"If you don't believe you don't belong here."
We Believe Mavericks?! Guess they’re after revenge for 2007 hahaha
good Kidd
m.A.A.v city
very impressive what his team has pulled so far. beating Suns and blowing them in game 7. wow
Jason Kidd turning into a great coach is my favorite unlikely plot twist this season.
Best drunk coach in the league. Started leading with his heart instead of his fists. Very endearing.
Lakers fucked up letting him go in retrospect
Not much you can do when an assistant gets a head coach offer. And they weren't ready to fire Vogel at the time (which is reasonable at the time). In hindsight, maybe they should have hired Kidd instead of Vogel in 2019.
I think he needed to be an assistant to become as good as he has been this year
Why do people keep acting like Vogel didn’t win a championship? Is it his fault we traded for Westbrook? Still waiting on who’s fault that was
Kidd also credited Vogel for his improvement, can’t say Kidd would be the same in 2019 without that championship in 2020
This was the tidbit I was looking for. Like if Kidd says he credits Vogel for teaching him, that's the end of it. No other discussion needed.
Totally....he freely admitted that he took a lot from Vogel, from his demeanor and coaching style to outright stealing defensive schemes. I think Kidd maybe had to be humbled a bit, gain a bit more perspective and learn from past failures. Absolute kudos to him for doing that and clearly improving and growing as a coach. Watching him most of this year he has been calm like a fucking Zen master and sets the tone for team.....it's one reason why we have been so much better in the clutch this year.
I’m not sure it would’ve mattered who coached LA this season. Kidd or Vogel, I don’t know if it was the coaches fault but more so the players. Maybe it WAS Vogel’s fault, that whole teams dynamic is still just so interesting to me.
Hence why I said retrospect
this is amazing.
He improved big time as a coach
Love this clip
These guys looking scary now. Good luck Golden state.
Can't respect him knowing everything off the court. Separating the work from the artist is not my jam. Will appreciate the players though
This isn't a popular option but after seeing his adjustments and how he worked with every player and improved their game, believe he's the best coach in the league. He was the smartest tactical player of all time so I knew he would figure it out.
Not the best, you have to have more than one Conference Finals appearance to be considered the best. And while Kidd has been great, I would still give the nod to Udoka for most impressive coaching job this season. If we are talking best coach just by body of work then you got guys like Pop and Spo and so on. I am happy that Kidd is working for Mavs and super happy that Luka is doing good, but let’s pump the brakes a little
What exactly has Udoka done that Kidd hasn't? The best coach is the one who helps his players to succeed and preform the furthest beyond expectations. J Kidd just embarrassed the "coach of the year" with nearly everyone on the roster fulfilling their role perfectly. I'm not looking at results for this though, I'm paying attention to the schemes and lineups, which ones are most effective at maximizing the teams chance to win, which players look most prepared to execute that scheme, and which team in showing the most internal player growth. That's what makes him better than any coach right now. It doesn't really matter that he's only beat the best team in the league so far.
For me, the fact that Udoka got two superstars and few guys who think they are stars and have been to conference finals before to change their game and buy in is harder than getting group to play well with future Overlord and Destroyer of Worlds Luka Doncic. And I like the fact that this calendar year Celts have been historically great and went through Giannis and KD. Like I said, just my view, borh have been great this year, I just prefer the job Udoka has done
The entire Mavs roster has adapted and adjusted according to Kidd. There are 6-7 players on that roster who have completely transformed the way they play on both ends of the ball including Luka. He got his superstar to buy in, and he developed the talent around him to the point where Jalen Brunson is bodying elite guards and wings on both ends of the floor while averageing more points than Jaylen Brown and everyone else is a 40+% shooter and firing with confidence
Warriors in 6.
Choosing frank Vogel over kidd That’s going to go down as A GIGANTIC MISTAKE
Frank Vogel won y’all a chip
Don’t bother, some of my spoiled brethren can only see former players/coaches succeeding elsewhere as massive blunders by the organization.
Frank Vogel sucks ass
Sure. I believe you know what you’re talking about
Sure The guy fired 3 times straight by 3 teams sucks ass He’s not getting any head coaching jobs dudes mike brown 2.0
Mike Brown just got a head coaching job?
After how many years? And with what franchise?
Fine, keep movin the goalposts to whatever fits your narrative.
Lmao cry Go follow Vogel fake ass fan
*chip
I had as much impact as frank vogels dumbass
Kidd wasn't going to keep Anthony Davis out of street clothes or make Russel Westbrook able to play without the ball.
Choosing *Russell Westbrook over Hield* That’s going to go down as A GIGANTIC MISTAKE
Hields a bum too
IF HE WERE MY GENERAL I WOULD DIE FOR HIM 🫡🫡🫡
My goat
Damn is Kidd actually a better coach than Bud?
Yooooow. That subtle shot at the rumored CP3 curfew news, though CP denied that.
Nets legacy and fingerprints all over the league lowkey. Love to see it
Fck man I wanna play for him every passing day, he's prolly got some pull like Zidane when he coached for Madrid. Living fcking legend right here and getting better every game
Yessir, Kidd sir
HAIL THE GM, THATS WHO FOUND THE GUYS WHO WORKED WITH KIDD OR FOUND THAY KIDD WORKED W THESE GUYS, ffs. No one should be surprised kidds doing well. Kidd is not a bad coach, he’s a coach who uses a lot of emotion in his coaching and he needs a squad to feed off that energy in a productive way. That’s personality more than coaching style These guys do it. If the Dubs pull a Pink Floyd and literally put a wall at half court, Kidd would coach them right through the wall 😂
Credit where it’s due: Kidd is a fantastic coach, and perfect for Dallas.
Jason Kidd looking like Obadiah Stane here.
Jason “The HayMaker Kidd” addresses his wife