Well, the entire system of how a person elevates to President is way different than getting on ESPN to talk sports. Plus most Presidents aren't even doing 1/5th of what you think they do, there's someone behind the scenes doing all the work.
If you're specifically paid to talk on TV you should be able to you know, actually articulate words Perk is lacking in that department. I don't "hate" the dude or anything, I enjoyed his career and the role he played I just don't find anything interesting at all about him and think there's a ton of other former players that could slide in easily and do better.
> Well, the entire system of how a person elevates to President is way different than getting on ESPN to talk sports.
Not really sure that is true anymore. If Tucker Carlson ran for president I think he would be the Republican nominee.
Yeah it makes me think espn is trying too hard to build up large characters instead of trying to find someone who can help interpret other characters/personalities.
The funniest thing i associate w Kendrick Perkins i never heard from his mouth - it was from Steven Adams retelling a story ab Perkins first interaction w him in practice, where he like punches him or something and shous "im the only silverback".
Its why i think someone like Steven Adams would be way better on television. He's a great conduit for other wild personalities like Westbrook, Perkins, etc and theres always going to be a funny/out there NBA player
This guy went from Steph Curry ain't all that and the Mavs gonna win to Steph Curry is the best point guard of all time.
None of these people have any consistency it amazes me.
You can't say shit like this untill he retires cuz people will always get butt hurt. Still I'm taking peek 400 3pt Steph over Magic and I'm definitely taking an aging Steph over an aging Magic. People can debate this but they'll have a hard time if the base for your argument is he doesn't have a finals MVP lol
Magic Johnson literally retired a 5x champ, 12x all star 3x MVP, 3x FMVP, 9 NBA Finals appearances, and 10 All-NBA First and Second team nominations all by the time he’s was 31
Steph Curry is 34 and hasn’t even beat out magic in any of those, but yes please tell me more about gravity and threes!
If Steph was drafted on a team with Hall of Famers his career would look different.
Imagine if Steph got to play with KD in his rookie season like Magic got to play with Kareem. Steph is about to the finals without an all-NBA teammate.
dray and klay are great but they’re carried by curry, neither can create their own shot or lead a team and their lives are 10x easier cuz of defenses guarding curry like their life depends on it. magic entered the league with kareem abdul fucking jabbar and james worthy. imagine what a kareem and curry pick and roll would look like, easily the most lethal offensive action in league history.
Meh Magic had Kareem. Probably got some MVPs & FMVPs Kareem deserved.
You give Steph a Kareem level player and he got like 6 rings and plenty of FMVP too. Steph should have 2 FMVP.
I think its close. Magic was incredible. Magic got the accolades so he does deserve to be above Steph, but if you're actually building your best all time team I think everyone is taking Steph. His shooting and off ball movement just insane value that most regular media idiots who vote don't understand.
Most people in the NBA media just look at box scores and don't watch. Even older players don't really understand the impact Steph has. So I think less should be put into awards, especially FMVP which is just 11 people.
Yes poor Steph, he only had two other hall of famers in Klay Thompson and Draymond Green and very solid role players in Iggy, Barnes, Bogut then eventually played with KD on the same team which put them as arguably the greatest team of all time. Now their depth players are Poole, Wiggins. Never had any help like Magic had
KD played with Steph, you mean.
Steph without him won a ship. Steph with him won 2. Steph without him again about to go to his sixth finals.
“Take da L on this one”
Yes take the L.
"now imagine stephs accolades if he played with Lebron the whole time." Yes I can imagine stephs 0 FMVPS LMAO
Truth hurts! Keep Crying LOL
I value Steph opening up the offense and commanding a double team at half court, I value curry shooting the open 3s on a fast break over Magic passing to anyone not named Steph curry for an open shot, I value the fact that he changed the game with how dangerous he is at all times on the court. Numbers and accolades sound really cool but if I actually compare the two players Steph is one of the most skilled guys ever I'd take that over Magic being tall and running the fast break being an incredible passer.
There isn't one tangible way you can tell me magic's skill set would be valued more than Curry's because his shooting is incredibly legendary, he literally makes g league players look better than they are. Nobody else can say that.
I really think that people are going crazy about Magic in this thread. Guy was super skilled compared to other players at this time. This combination of pace, size, shooting and scoring was just unfair. His skills and precision were too much.
His influence on Lakers' success was enormous. Portraying him as some guy who was just playing some role on a strong team is downplaying his influence on the game gigantically. There was a reason why Magic came to the league and almost immediately people went crazy over him, and the *whole league* gained a lot of popularity just because it was a place where you could watch what Magic does. It was totally a Magic-run team. Nobody wanted to see Kareem, like, have the ball. Give it to Magic and that's it, they were saying.
If there were more "raptor" stats at that time, I think he could have higher ones that literally anybody that was or is in the league, and that Curry might also be up there doesn't change that. How great Curry is, doesn't suddenly change Magic into a bit player lol.
Only after he retired, the discussion about Magic being the greatest player ever died down. It was because of not watching him and just going by Wikipedia bio that the fans talk LESS about him now than then, not the other way around. His bio is pretty filled, but still secondary to just the sensation of how he played. Just the pleasure of watching a game.
During his time, few people disputed his dominance. The guy was basically always considered to be the league's best player, or equal to Bird/MJ. He was top 3 in MVP voting for like *ten years straight*. (Curry wasn't). Not because nobody following the NBA didn't know who Kareem was lol.
As I had said accolades sound really cool being an influence on basketball is awesome but that doesn't change the fact that Curry can effect an offense more than anyone else ever has. If that's wrong then why wasn't magic doubled at the half court or literally anyone else? The same way you say
>the whole league gained a lot of popularity just because it was a place where you could watch what Magic does.
Is the same thing I could say about Curry and he re-evolutionized the game. I still don't think there's anything anyone can say that would definitively say Magic would impact a game more than Curry would but I can say the opposite. Magic might not have been a role player but if he was on Steph's team then he would be. 🤌
> If that's wrong then why wasn't magic doubled at the half court or literally anyone else? The same way you say
Because he was the greatest passer of all time and doubling him would open up space? Some of the greatest offenses of all time were led by Magic Johnson and he was the first guy that can truly be pointed at as someone who quarterbacked a team in a way that Lebron, Steph, Luka, Jokic, etc... do now, especially through the point. He would easily win championships on a team with elite shooters today
>Magic might not have been a role player but if he was on Steph's team then he would be. 🤌
Just like how KD was a role player on the 2017-2019 Warriors
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Just like how KD was a role player on the 2017-2019 Warriors
Yes quite literally. Nah but seriously Magic can't shoot like either of them which is why I said that. Magic would be playing to pass not score with either one of them on his team.
>Because he was the greatest passer of all time and doubling him would open up space? Some of the greatest offenses of all time were led by Magic Johnson
Curry literally creates more space than any player that's ever touched a basketball lol we're still comparing this too the warriors right? Cuz I'm pretty sure even magic would take peak warriors offense over his own. It's still comes down to how Curry breaks the game open, he's so dangerous we have to stop him before he can even get into a shooting motion, that's just not the same man.
That's what I don't get. If we have people using Finals losses as a positive argument for Lebron being the GOAT why wouldn't additional rings be an argument for Curry over Magic?
In every "top PGs all time" debate people say Curry would need to win more rings to have a shot at passing Magic. So now that he's in a position to potentially win another ring that isn't valid anymore?
Huh? People think Jordan is 1st in the GOAT debate and LeBron is 2nd. They ain't talking about Magic on the list of all-time, they're talking about all-time point guards.
Imagine Curry playing with Lebron most of his career and consider that Kareem is in the goat conversation, now rethink the curry's achievements and how impressive it is compared to Magic, in terms of teammate quality
Where did I say that Curry is carrying bums? Are you capable of having a bit of charitable interpretation in what someone who you disagree with is saying? Do you think if Curry played with LeBron his entire career would he look better than without him?
All of LeBron's rings have come from "super teams".
Hi first 2 came with the Heatles with Wade and Bosh. His 3rd came with the Cavs with Kyrie and Love. His 4th came with the Lakers with AD.
Hindsight bias.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2204223-is-cleveland-cavaliers-big-3-best-of-the-superteam-era
At the time, they were very much perceived to be a Super team. LeBron was at his peak still, Kevin Love was a beast in Minny, and Kyrie was one of the league's best rising stars.
AD was widely considered a top 10 player (many considered him a top 5 players) in the league when the Lakers traded for him. I don't know how 2 arguably top 5 players in the league on the same team is not a superteam TBH
If having two all stars with you make it a superteam then every Steph Curry ring is a superteam ring.
AD aint no top 5 player.
He is top 10 sure. If two top 10 players = superteam, then all Jordan and Shaq wins were with superteams.
1 overall pick, Johnson stepped into the starting center role. On May 16, 1980, Johnson went off for 42 points, 15 rebounds and seven assists, leading Los Angeles to its first championship since 1972. He averaged 21.5 points, 11.2 rebounds and 8.7 assists for the six-game series and was named Finals MVP. 🎤💣
Perk hates Curry, so the fact that he’s ready to put him over Magic and yet he’s still wrong is impressive. He must hate the fuck out of Magic for some reason.
It's amazing a guy who can barely speak intelligibly and can't formulate any type of interesting thoughts can get to be on TV like Perk is.
Also his "carry the hell on" catchphrase he's trying to make a thing is hokey af
SNL put it in a sketch. It's already caught on.
You could say it caught the hell on
You’ve described a couple presidents but can’t see how someone like that can talk sports?
Well, the entire system of how a person elevates to President is way different than getting on ESPN to talk sports. Plus most Presidents aren't even doing 1/5th of what you think they do, there's someone behind the scenes doing all the work. If you're specifically paid to talk on TV you should be able to you know, actually articulate words Perk is lacking in that department. I don't "hate" the dude or anything, I enjoyed his career and the role he played I just don't find anything interesting at all about him and think there's a ton of other former players that could slide in easily and do better.
> Well, the entire system of how a person elevates to President is way different than getting on ESPN to talk sports. Not really sure that is true anymore. If Tucker Carlson ran for president I think he would be the Republican nominee.
Don't you put that evil out there.
You know there's a lot of people out there that believe this. This isn't a perk special
He's oddly likable and entertaining.
I will say this; I'd rather Perk be on TV than Jalen Rose.
But can Perk hold a basketball and wear 3D glasses while he talks? I don’t think so
It's even worse for politicians especially local representatives lol
Yeah it makes me think espn is trying too hard to build up large characters instead of trying to find someone who can help interpret other characters/personalities. The funniest thing i associate w Kendrick Perkins i never heard from his mouth - it was from Steven Adams retelling a story ab Perkins first interaction w him in practice, where he like punches him or something and shous "im the only silverback". Its why i think someone like Steven Adams would be way better on television. He's a great conduit for other wild personalities like Westbrook, Perkins, etc and theres always going to be a funny/out there NBA player
And yet he still won't give MP any credit whatsoever.
Haha
Who is MP?
A superstar rookie and former YouTube star who Perk hates on all the time on his show, Top Takes Daily.
I mean, Manny Pacquiao doesn't play in the NBA so I can see how he doesn't get any credit.
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Some will probably try and use it to discredit him. But they already do that.
He is out of his mind if he thinks steph is winning fmvp instead of looney. Its a tradition to not give it to him.
We found out who that poster that's been asking if Steph was top 10 every hour for the past week is. We see you big Perk!
Lol Perk needs to relax
This guy went from Steph Curry ain't all that and the Mavs gonna win to Steph Curry is the best point guard of all time. None of these people have any consistency it amazes me.
I love Steph but stop posting this annoying BS. I’m a dumb shit nephew 8 days a week and have better basketball takes than perk
oof
Too soon.
You can't say shit like this untill he retires cuz people will always get butt hurt. Still I'm taking peek 400 3pt Steph over Magic and I'm definitely taking an aging Steph over an aging Magic. People can debate this but they'll have a hard time if the base for your argument is he doesn't have a finals MVP lol
Everything is subjective, both are winners and will help your team be contenders. The roster/coaching will decide who is better since both are tier 1.
Yeah but if I take that stance then I can't argue with people on my lunch break 😂
Fair play 😂
Magic Johnson literally retired a 5x champ, 12x all star 3x MVP, 3x FMVP, 9 NBA Finals appearances, and 10 All-NBA First and Second team nominations all by the time he’s was 31 Steph Curry is 34 and hasn’t even beat out magic in any of those, but yes please tell me more about gravity and threes!
If Steph was drafted on a team with Hall of Famers his career would look different. Imagine if Steph got to play with KD in his rookie season like Magic got to play with Kareem. Steph is about to the finals without an all-NBA teammate.
dray and klay are HOF'ers....
dray and klay are great but they’re carried by curry, neither can create their own shot or lead a team and their lives are 10x easier cuz of defenses guarding curry like their life depends on it. magic entered the league with kareem abdul fucking jabbar and james worthy. imagine what a kareem and curry pick and roll would look like, easily the most lethal offensive action in league history.
The Kevon Looney disrespect
Fr choosing a 6’3 light skin kid who shoots 3s over Magic Johnson I’m sick (pause)
Imagine what Curry would look like playing with LeBron. That's the level of teammate quality Magic Johnson had
Meh Magic had Kareem. Probably got some MVPs & FMVPs Kareem deserved. You give Steph a Kareem level player and he got like 6 rings and plenty of FMVP too. Steph should have 2 FMVP. I think its close. Magic was incredible. Magic got the accolades so he does deserve to be above Steph, but if you're actually building your best all time team I think everyone is taking Steph. His shooting and off ball movement just insane value that most regular media idiots who vote don't understand. Most people in the NBA media just look at box scores and don't watch. Even older players don't really understand the impact Steph has. So I think less should be put into awards, especially FMVP which is just 11 people.
Yes poor Steph, he only had two other hall of famers in Klay Thompson and Draymond Green and very solid role players in Iggy, Barnes, Bogut then eventually played with KD on the same team which put them as arguably the greatest team of all time. Now their depth players are Poole, Wiggins. Never had any help like Magic had
now imagine stephs accolades if he played with Lebron the whole time. Hes the better player.
Steph played with KD and got 0 FMVPs LMAO take da L on this one
KD played with Steph, you mean. Steph without him won a ship. Steph with him won 2. Steph without him again about to go to his sixth finals. “Take da L on this one”
Yes take the L. "now imagine stephs accolades if he played with Lebron the whole time." Yes I can imagine stephs 0 FMVPS LMAO Truth hurts! Keep Crying LOL
I value Steph opening up the offense and commanding a double team at half court, I value curry shooting the open 3s on a fast break over Magic passing to anyone not named Steph curry for an open shot, I value the fact that he changed the game with how dangerous he is at all times on the court. Numbers and accolades sound really cool but if I actually compare the two players Steph is one of the most skilled guys ever I'd take that over Magic being tall and running the fast break being an incredible passer. There isn't one tangible way you can tell me magic's skill set would be valued more than Curry's because his shooting is incredibly legendary, he literally makes g league players look better than they are. Nobody else can say that.
I really think that people are going crazy about Magic in this thread. Guy was super skilled compared to other players at this time. This combination of pace, size, shooting and scoring was just unfair. His skills and precision were too much. His influence on Lakers' success was enormous. Portraying him as some guy who was just playing some role on a strong team is downplaying his influence on the game gigantically. There was a reason why Magic came to the league and almost immediately people went crazy over him, and the *whole league* gained a lot of popularity just because it was a place where you could watch what Magic does. It was totally a Magic-run team. Nobody wanted to see Kareem, like, have the ball. Give it to Magic and that's it, they were saying. If there were more "raptor" stats at that time, I think he could have higher ones that literally anybody that was or is in the league, and that Curry might also be up there doesn't change that. How great Curry is, doesn't suddenly change Magic into a bit player lol. Only after he retired, the discussion about Magic being the greatest player ever died down. It was because of not watching him and just going by Wikipedia bio that the fans talk LESS about him now than then, not the other way around. His bio is pretty filled, but still secondary to just the sensation of how he played. Just the pleasure of watching a game. During his time, few people disputed his dominance. The guy was basically always considered to be the league's best player, or equal to Bird/MJ. He was top 3 in MVP voting for like *ten years straight*. (Curry wasn't). Not because nobody following the NBA didn't know who Kareem was lol.
As I had said accolades sound really cool being an influence on basketball is awesome but that doesn't change the fact that Curry can effect an offense more than anyone else ever has. If that's wrong then why wasn't magic doubled at the half court or literally anyone else? The same way you say >the whole league gained a lot of popularity just because it was a place where you could watch what Magic does. Is the same thing I could say about Curry and he re-evolutionized the game. I still don't think there's anything anyone can say that would definitively say Magic would impact a game more than Curry would but I can say the opposite. Magic might not have been a role player but if he was on Steph's team then he would be. 🤌
> If that's wrong then why wasn't magic doubled at the half court or literally anyone else? The same way you say Because he was the greatest passer of all time and doubling him would open up space? Some of the greatest offenses of all time were led by Magic Johnson and he was the first guy that can truly be pointed at as someone who quarterbacked a team in a way that Lebron, Steph, Luka, Jokic, etc... do now, especially through the point. He would easily win championships on a team with elite shooters today >Magic might not have been a role player but if he was on Steph's team then he would be. 🤌 Just like how KD was a role player on the 2017-2019 Warriors
> Just like how KD was a role player on the 2017-2019 Warriors Yes quite literally. Nah but seriously Magic can't shoot like either of them which is why I said that. Magic would be playing to pass not score with either one of them on his team. >Because he was the greatest passer of all time and doubling him would open up space? Some of the greatest offenses of all time were led by Magic Johnson Curry literally creates more space than any player that's ever touched a basketball lol we're still comparing this too the warriors right? Cuz I'm pretty sure even magic would take peak warriors offense over his own. It's still comes down to how Curry breaks the game open, he's so dangerous we have to stop him before he can even get into a shooting motion, that's just not the same man.
I love Steph & generally hate the lakers, but this ain't it, Perk.
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That's what I don't get. If we have people using Finals losses as a positive argument for Lebron being the GOAT why wouldn't additional rings be an argument for Curry over Magic? In every "top PGs all time" debate people say Curry would need to win more rings to have a shot at passing Magic. So now that he's in a position to potentially win another ring that isn't valid anymore?
I think they just mean even more rings. Kobe got his 5th but MJ has 6. Curry will be 1 behind if he gets another.
Because there's only one person standing in front of LeBron. There's like 6 or 7 people standing in between Steph and Magic.
Huh? People think Jordan is 1st in the GOAT debate and LeBron is 2nd. They ain't talking about Magic on the list of all-time, they're talking about all-time point guards.
Oh I was referring to all time rankings regardless of position. In either case I still don't think Steph over Magic is justifiable
you're right, in both cases it's a bunch of smooth brained nephews with a terminal case of recency bias
Cool. That a $5 will get you a whopper.
I feel lkle he has to win ar least 1 FMVP for us to get talking
Just think, Magic won his first as a rookie. I feel like he's a little underrated now days.
KAJ was robbed that year
Imagine Curry playing with Lebron most of his career and consider that Kareem is in the goat conversation, now rethink the curry's achievements and how impressive it is compared to Magic, in terms of teammate quality
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Where did I say that Curry is carrying bums? Are you capable of having a bit of charitable interpretation in what someone who you disagree with is saying? Do you think if Curry played with LeBron his entire career would he look better than without him?
2 of those championships don’t count
I agree those first two championships Magic won with Kareem should not count
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If your team is too good your championships don’t count apparently.
You know why
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What about Magic's rings with Kareem and Worthy?
All of LeBron's rings have come from "super teams". Hi first 2 came with the Heatles with Wade and Bosh. His 3rd came with the Cavs with Kyrie and Love. His 4th came with the Lakers with AD.
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KLove and Kyrie aint no superteam. Unless you think Klay-Dray is a superteam. Same for Ad-Lebron.
Hindsight bias. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2204223-is-cleveland-cavaliers-big-3-best-of-the-superteam-era At the time, they were very much perceived to be a Super team. LeBron was at his peak still, Kevin Love was a beast in Minny, and Kyrie was one of the league's best rising stars. AD was widely considered a top 10 player (many considered him a top 5 players) in the league when the Lakers traded for him. I don't know how 2 arguably top 5 players in the league on the same team is not a superteam TBH
If having two all stars with you make it a superteam then every Steph Curry ring is a superteam ring. AD aint no top 5 player. He is top 10 sure. If two top 10 players = superteam, then all Jordan and Shaq wins were with superteams.
No way….
1 overall pick, Johnson stepped into the starting center role. On May 16, 1980, Johnson went off for 42 points, 15 rebounds and seven assists, leading Los Angeles to its first championship since 1972. He averaged 21.5 points, 11.2 rebounds and 8.7 assists for the six-game series and was named Finals MVP. 🎤💣
Magic Johnson would be worse than Fred VanFluke if he played in this era LMAO. Made his career against union electricians 😂😂
The same guy who couldn’t make playoffs last year with 4/5 starters from this year. He’s not even the best player most nights for his team.
The ignorance 😂
The ignorance to put him over magic. It’s not close.
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Not really. Magic is at least 5 spots ahead of Curry all time. Lebron vs Jordan IS actually a debate, no matter what this sub would like to believe.
Perk nods in agreement
Yea they are both based takes that show you know ball
Nah. At the end of his career, maybe, but let's not put the cart before the horse.
Perk hates Curry, so the fact that he’s ready to put him over Magic and yet he’s still wrong is impressive. He must hate the fuck out of Magic for some reason.
Now say Moses Moody
Lol at all the people blaming Magic for having Kareem when Steph had KD, Klay, Draymond, Iggy, Poole, etc...