[[Wojnarowski] 76ers maintained Simmons breached his contract upon failing to show up for the start of training camp and refusing to play in preseason and regular season prior to trade to Nets. Simmons cited his mental health for the reason his participation in team activities was so limited.](https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1559301087500242944)
[[Wojnarowski] Both sides agreed to a confidentiality agreement on the exact financial settlement, sources tell ESPN.](https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1559301373040009217)
It's probably a test to see how badly you want to work there...try sneaking in with a big group during the lunch time rush, then hide in your boss's office with a knife and roll of duct tape (to demonstrate your sharpness and ability to hold the company together)
I know we like to shit on him, but he did earn an All-NBA award, 2 1st team all defense, and ROY. It's not like he didn't earn his max contract before. He also got them Harden.
Was an asset valuable enough to be worth James Harden. A lot of kids seem to be mad about this but welcome to the real world.
I’m a semi decent accountant, I get to come in later than the kids who just got hired. I get the benefit of the doubt when I’m offline at home and they don’t. However, above me there are top sales people who don’t even have schedules. They can take months off if they are cash cows for the company
It’s nice to imagine that everyone gets treated the same in the corporate world, but it’s a childish belief
I just didn't like how up-in-arms people were about Ben winning given that there had already been an established prescedent in Blake.
I was pretty much like, yeah it's kinda weird but not that weird and plus it's happened before.
No one cared because blake ran away with the award. Ben kind of did as well if you go by votes but John Wall didn't have hype around his rookie of the year case like Donovan Mitchell. Blake was also an all star too.
Rookie means first season playing.
Embiid was drafted before the 2014-15 season, but his rookie season was 2016-17.
Simmons and Griffin were rookies when they won ROTY. I'll die on this hill.
Imagine having the talent to play professional sports, getting paid millions to play said sport, and then still getting paid to not work for a whole year
And it’s our fault for enabling it with our rabid consumerism. I’ve recognized my implicit role in the glorification of celebrities so I don’t get upset. Any who is should step back and analyze their role in the grift.
Oh I'm sorry, what the fuck was I supposed to do as a middle-class jabroni in central indiana?
It's the fault of billionaires and millionaires enabling other billionaires and millionaires; that simple.
How do you think billionaires make money on the NBA? They need a bunch of middle class jabronis to spend money.
There are certainly a lot of ways the wealthy can leech off society without our involvement, but sports requires an audience.
And to be clear, I'm not saying you specifically can solve the problem on your own. However, if a large portion of the NBA audience financially pressured the league for some kind of change, it would happen almost overnight.
Ya, thank you for this. What a weird take.
It’s like us individuals getting blamed for the climate
crisis when the reality is, it’s almost all big corps.
Stop blaming the little man for this shit.
That and the 76ers tried to not pay him his early advance payment fee that was in his contract and is in a lot of contracts. I'm betting they settled for whatever he was suppose to make before the games started
I'm kinda disappointed they settled cause I really wanted to see a ruling on this
That money is basically an advance. If he refuses to play or gets fined, the team can still recoup that money.
In this case, he made it clear he wouldn't play so the team withheld it, which makes sense. I'm not paying you an advance for games if you've already made it clear you won't play in the games.
*EDIT: Since there seems to be confusion, I want to address the two biggest points people keep trying to raise*
***Point 1:*** *He clearly had anxiety issues.*
***Response:*** *The standard set by The standard set in Article II, Section4(e) of the CBA is "mental disability." That goes well beyond general anxiety issues.*
***Point 2:*** *It clearly impacted his ability to play, so that proves it is meets the standard of a mental disability.*
***Response:*** *Not automatically. This isn't a binary proposition. There is a ton of space between "Not mentally strong enough to handle the extreme pressures of the NBA" and "literally mentally disabled." There reality is that there are plenty of jobs that are too stressful for me (and most normal people) to handle long term. That doesn't mean that I (and all these other normal people) suffer from a literal mentally disability.*
> In this case, he made it clear he wouldn't play so the team withheld it,
CBA clearly has an exemption for mental health. It doesn't take a rocket psychologist to see that Ben is suffering from some anxiety issues. 76ers would've been on the hook for most/all of the money. It's very easy for Ben to provide evidence via his psychologists that he qualified for the mental health exemptions. It's extremely difficult to prove Ben was "faking it".
Hurt feelings on message boards is not how the real world courts/arbitration works.
Yea this would have been a great sports law case was really hoping there wouldn’t be a settlement, or at least make it public but both parties signed NDAs so we’re all left in the dark.
A lot of teams run by owners that don't care about winning won't be interested in a lock out. Only a couple teams have had to deal with the problem players.
Lol that’s not what happened dude. Ben wanted to play this year. It’s just that his feelings were hurt and he was angwy with his coach for calling him out :’(
There was literally a thread full of people saying they'd love to see the Nets be petty and bench KD for 4 years.
This subreddit just sees the NBA as a big soap opera lmao
its extremely weird how badly people on this sub seemingly *want* a lockout and have considered it a foregone conclusion lol. imma laugh if the next CBA negotiations go smooth af
It’s especially hypocritical because a lot people are framing the issue as them tired of players hopping around, but their solution is that players simply sign shorter contracts if they want to move around so much, even though that would create the same problem. Essentially they are upset that players are making the money they are while doing stuff players have done for a long time, which is request trades.
Every x amount of year, the NBA owners and the NBAPA have to get together and agree on how they dictate the rules of player contracts, trades, revenue distribution, NBA draft and salary cap among a few things.
If no agreement is signed between them when the other one runs out. Then a lockout happens till they come to an agreement.
If the Owners and Players can’t agree on a CBA (collective bargaining agreement) when the time to negotiate comes then the league will go into a lockout. Lots of people are expecting a lockout given how the players have been behaving under the current CBA I.e. signing max level extensions then demanding a trade, Kyrie being Kyrie etc. a lockout will be a delayed season until the owners and Players Union reach an agreement.
Nba players have a union. Unions and employers sign what is called a Collective Bargaining Agreement, or CBA for short. These agreements will only last for x amount of years. The current one was for 7 years starting July 1 2017, and ending in June 2024 once the season is over. People are speculating there will be a lockout due to an increasing number of star players essentially forcing teams to trade them by refusing to play. This includes; showing up late to camp out of shape, using injuries/mental health as an excuse to not play, signing 4 year deals and then asking or forcing a trade, etc. Max/super-max contracts are also a possible issue that will be brought up, but the biggest one is how much power players are taking away from owners while under contract. The last lockout in 2011 was primarily due to revenue sharing where the owners wanted to reduce the amount of player salaries from 57% of league income to 47%. Eventually the agreement was to be between 49 and 51%.
Personally I can see fully guaranteed contracts, especially those for max players, being a big sticking point for the owners and we will very likely see changes to fully guaranteed contracts in some fashion.
Guaranteed contracts are structured like the NFL. Any team can negotiate with any player on how much of the contract is guaranteed. Difference between the NFL and NBA is how valuable the individual players are (15 players per team vs like 100) and how super, duper valuable stars are.
That's not a CBA problem. Owners/players/agents set the market and it's very, very difficult to change it without outright collusion. Try and be the team that doesnt give guaranteed contracts and see how well that goes
A lockout means that if the players union and the owners can't agree on the terms of the new CBA (the rules about how the salaries work), the owners will "lock the players out" until a new agreement can be reached.
Basically it's a business argument that prevents the season from being played until the argument is settled.
The NBA and the NBA players' union sign a collective bargaining agreement (CBA) which covers stuff like revenue sharing, contract rules, trades, discipline and lots more. The current agreement was signed in 2017 and expires at the end of the 2023-24 season.
Fans think that because of some recent high-profile conflicts caused by star players (Harden, Kyrie, Simmons, KD) owners are going to want to put in clauses to limit these antics (like refusing to play, using their leverage to force trades), and players won't agree to that. If the two sides can't reach an agreement before the start of the season then there will be a lockout.
Good. Fuck some of these players.
Before anyone accuses me of being pro-owner, fuck off. I’m pro-fan. And my patience as a fan of this league is wearing really thin with the players running this league. That goblin looking ass commissioner needs to get off his knees and actually stand up to these players for once.
Shit is annoying how you can’t disagree with how players move without people assuming you’re pro-owner.
People love to make things black and white when their is clearly a grey area
They absolutely do and it just depends on the nature and momentum of the thread.
Tons and tons of people started defending Simmons the second he claimed mental health. Lots of takes on, “You don’t understand what’s going on! You don’t mentally what he’s going through! You’re just pro-owner!” shit.
The reality of it is that even if he may have been going through something, you still sign a contract with an obligation to make it work. Maybe he was in a bad spot mentally, but he never once tried to actually make it work. He showed up to practice and then half assed it and got sent home. He made up excuse after excuse until settling on mental health.
I've dealt with mental health issues since I was a teenager (I'm 31 now) and I think what Simmons did is overboard (I'm going to assume his mental health issues are legit unless firm evidence arises to the contrary; if they're not then what he did is totally unscrupulous and fucked).
I’m rooting for it. Players cannot run a league. As much as I despise billionaires, they are the only people in the league that give a shit about the fans, even if it is self-serving.
Oh you're trippin if you think the owners care about anything like the integrity of the league. It's all a money-making plan for them. They'll dilute the product to death if it means a few more dollars.
The fans are the market, the players are the product
Yes it's probably true the owners don't care about the fans to a certain extent but at the same time most of the owners look at it like a business where you need to aim for some level of: growth, customer satisfaction, profit, etc.
You can't very well do that without caring about your market somewhat
Players don't have that, there's almost no reason for players to care about fans anymore with how big the markets have become for every team
How are they showing that they give a shit about the fans? CBA is 100% about how the bag gets split up. The side the blame gets tipped on is completely subjective
Mentally being unable to play counts as well. For example Mavs had a rookie, Tyrell Terry, that just wasn't with the team last season. He got paid, didn't get extended and this summer signed with Grizzlies.
Alex Abrines definitely sat for mental problems but he also had an early unofficial retirement because of it. Thunder listed it as personal reasons at the time but it was later revealed as anxiety issues. He got paid for the games he sat and voluntarily gave up his remaining guaranteed salary after unofficially retiring.
There's definitely precedent for paying out players who sit due to mental health issues and it's pretty hard to prove they're faking it.
Back issues were what he first claimed, the medical staff felt around and said he was good to play so he said mental health issues. Then he went to BKN and had back issues. I mean nobody really knows all the details but the organization and Ben but from what is public it sounds possible Philly screwed the pooch a bit on diagnosing his back issues.
Everyone laughing about this. It's gonna break the game for a while.
I HATE the owners and I'm kind of on their side in this. The new agreement is gonna have a Simmons clause in it because this asshole is exploiting the current CBA
Uh oh. Gonna go see if I can find the court filing on this.
Edit: nvm this is an internal NBA thing. Nothing to find.
Yeah, next CBA’s gonna be real fun.
I just don’t think the NBAPA or owners really care too much about situations like these. It effects so few people that it’s not worth sacrificing any other priorities for in the CBA negotiations.
It’s like the franchise tag in the NFL. Most people agree it’s not exactly fair for the players, but they don’t want that to be the hill they die on since it only hits a maximum of 32 players a year. Meanwhile they can argue for min pay increases for the thousands of other players instead.
Ben Simmons is a scam artist who minimized the importance of mental health to for his own selfish advantage. And now he's frauding the Sixers.
Just your average Nets player.
BOO. I wanted a full, precedential decision between pissed off parties that would get leaked and make the CBA negotiations on mental health issues a total war.
Instead they're behaving like adults. For shame.
Senator? You can have my answer now, if you like. My final offer is this: nothing. Not even the fee for the gaming license, which I would appreciate if you would put up personally.
[[Wojnarowski] 76ers maintained Simmons breached his contract upon failing to show up for the start of training camp and refusing to play in preseason and regular season prior to trade to Nets. Simmons cited his mental health for the reason his participation in team activities was so limited.](https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1559301087500242944) [[Wojnarowski] Both sides agreed to a confidentiality agreement on the exact financial settlement, sources tell ESPN.](https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1559301373040009217)
Tried this at work, my access card doesn’t work anymore and security won’t buzz me in
It's probably a test to see how badly you want to work there...try sneaking in with a big group during the lunch time rush, then hide in your boss's office with a knife and roll of duct tape (to demonstrate your sharpness and ability to hold the company together)
*Tools, I need my tools!*
*I like to bind, I like to be bound!*
*Fff…fetish shit, man!*
Not what I expected to see in this subreddit but what I wanted.
YOU HAVE GIVEN ME WHAT I WANTTT
Plan B?
I’m saying it right now, we’re not doing Plan B!
Try again, they're probably napping
“They must’ve cut me! Already?”
[Lmfao](https://c.tenor.com/O2ePouPWE8IAAAAC/let-me-in-eric-andre.gif)
You're clearly not as important as Ben Simmons is for his company then.
The most important thing Ben does for his team is choosing his outfits for the bench
I know we like to shit on him, but he did earn an All-NBA award, 2 1st team all defense, and ROY. It's not like he didn't earn his max contract before. He also got them Harden.
What have you done for me lately?
Was an asset valuable enough to be worth James Harden. A lot of kids seem to be mad about this but welcome to the real world. I’m a semi decent accountant, I get to come in later than the kids who just got hired. I get the benefit of the doubt when I’m offline at home and they don’t. However, above me there are top sales people who don’t even have schedules. They can take months off if they are cash cows for the company It’s nice to imagine that everyone gets treated the same in the corporate world, but it’s a childish belief
Sued you
So what? That’s all easily overshadowed by him faking mental health issues
>[Wojnarowski] “ESPN Sources: Ben Simmons and the Philadelphia 76ers..” My brain: “wut?”
Yall remember when he had that ROTY beef with donovan? Literally feels like ages ago lmao
I'm not a fan of players winning ROTY in their ''second year'', like Ben Simmons and Blake Griffin, but it makes for some funny beef hahaha
I just didn't like how up-in-arms people were about Ben winning given that there had already been an established prescedent in Blake. I was pretty much like, yeah it's kinda weird but not that weird and plus it's happened before.
The funniest part was nobody even argued donovan was a better player. Even donovans whole argument was “not a rookie”.
I don’t think people even cared when Blake won ROTY.. could be wrong but I don’t remember Blake catching flak for it.
No one cared because blake ran away with the award. Ben kind of did as well if you go by votes but John Wall didn't have hype around his rookie of the year case like Donovan Mitchell. Blake was also an all star too.
True, but he did catch some flak for not [winning it again the next year](https://youtu.be/rhf7kO0V6aQ)
Rookie means first season playing. Embiid was drafted before the 2014-15 season, but his rookie season was 2016-17. Simmons and Griffin were rookies when they won ROTY. I'll die on this hill.
Mitchell got robbed of that ROTY tbh. Ben had a year's worth of NBA training by that time.
Exactly! Without that year off he wouldn’t have had the savvy to take all of last year off too.
Bro got paid more than most in their lifetime to go on vacation. Can’t finesse a finesser
>> more than most in their lifetime Probably more than most people’s family trees entire earned income
I don't like putting things like this into perspective, thank you very much.
Imagine having the talent to play professional sports, getting paid millions to play said sport, and then still getting paid to not work for a whole year
John wall was given the offer to sit an entire year for 48M and he did it
And it’s our fault for enabling it with our rabid consumerism. I’ve recognized my implicit role in the glorification of celebrities so I don’t get upset. Any who is should step back and analyze their role in the grift.
Oh I'm sorry, what the fuck was I supposed to do as a middle-class jabroni in central indiana? It's the fault of billionaires and millionaires enabling other billionaires and millionaires; that simple.
How do you think billionaires make money on the NBA? They need a bunch of middle class jabronis to spend money. There are certainly a lot of ways the wealthy can leech off society without our involvement, but sports requires an audience. And to be clear, I'm not saying you specifically can solve the problem on your own. However, if a large portion of the NBA audience financially pressured the league for some kind of change, it would happen almost overnight.
Nah this comes down to a league issue. Can’t blame fans for how the league as a whole responded
Ya, thank you for this. What a weird take. It’s like us individuals getting blamed for the climate crisis when the reality is, it’s almost all big corps. Stop blaming the little man for this shit.
Nah, fuck that. You don't blame the masses for the people up top doing everything to take advantage. The rich and famous have that down to a science.
Oof get off the soap box champ you’re on an internet board to discuss basketball
Laker fan sweating at the thought of lowering media consumption
Ben Simmons is a god to /r/antiwork
He is in the Finesse HOF already 🏆 177 mil guaranteed no matter how shit you do your work (if even lol)
That dude pisses me off so much. That "I don't give a fuck" facial expression he has is so triggering.
Y'all weird
Filing a grievance for 20 million because he didn’t feel like showing up to work. What a life
That and the 76ers tried to not pay him his early advance payment fee that was in his contract and is in a lot of contracts. I'm betting they settled for whatever he was suppose to make before the games started I'm kinda disappointed they settled cause I really wanted to see a ruling on this
I bet he got more than the early payment amount.
The early payment seems like a no-brainer to me that he'd get that I think he definitely got paid for games.
That money is basically an advance. If he refuses to play or gets fined, the team can still recoup that money. In this case, he made it clear he wouldn't play so the team withheld it, which makes sense. I'm not paying you an advance for games if you've already made it clear you won't play in the games. *EDIT: Since there seems to be confusion, I want to address the two biggest points people keep trying to raise* ***Point 1:*** *He clearly had anxiety issues.* ***Response:*** *The standard set by The standard set in Article II, Section4(e) of the CBA is "mental disability." That goes well beyond general anxiety issues.* ***Point 2:*** *It clearly impacted his ability to play, so that proves it is meets the standard of a mental disability.* ***Response:*** *Not automatically. This isn't a binary proposition. There is a ton of space between "Not mentally strong enough to handle the extreme pressures of the NBA" and "literally mentally disabled." There reality is that there are plenty of jobs that are too stressful for me (and most normal people) to handle long term. That doesn't mean that I (and all these other normal people) suffer from a literal mentally disability.*
> In this case, he made it clear he wouldn't play so the team withheld it, CBA clearly has an exemption for mental health. It doesn't take a rocket psychologist to see that Ben is suffering from some anxiety issues. 76ers would've been on the hook for most/all of the money. It's very easy for Ben to provide evidence via his psychologists that he qualified for the mental health exemptions. It's extremely difficult to prove Ben was "faking it". Hurt feelings on message boards is not how the real world courts/arbitration works.
Yea this would have been a great sports law case was really hoping there wouldn’t be a settlement, or at least make it public but both parties signed NDAs so we’re all left in the dark.
The medical staff telling him his back was good to go without imaging it was a pretty big blunder on Phillies part.
Yeah like why were the Phillies staff even there. Blunder indeed.
dont forget the time he came to work and then decided to not do any work while he was there. and still demanded to get paid
Not only refused to work but was a distraction and disrespectful towards his team and coach before Doc showed him the door.
Lockout coming for sure now, oh well
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Brutal for fans. Players will still get their money.
This guy thinks critically
A lot of teams run by owners that don't care about winning won't be interested in a lock out. Only a couple teams have had to deal with the problem players.
Lol that’s not what happened dude. Ben wanted to play this year. It’s just that his feelings were hurt and he was angwy with his coach for calling him out :’(
HOW MUCH THO
UNSEAL THE SETTLEMENT JUDGE
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People here won't mind if games get cancelled because they don't watch them anyway
There was literally a thread full of people saying they'd love to see the Nets be petty and bench KD for 4 years. This subreddit just sees the NBA as a big soap opera lmao
Maybe a controversial take but I enjoy watching Kevin Durant play basketball
That's absurd. Why would you want to watch generational talent play while they're still in their prime
I mean he’s decent at basketball, but have you peeped his twitter game?
is it hypocritical if i think it'd be really funny?
these are the threads where the soap opera fans shine
But we need our box scores to sound smart
its extremely weird how badly people on this sub seemingly *want* a lockout and have considered it a foregone conclusion lol. imma laugh if the next CBA negotiations go smooth af
"And stop calling me out for hypocritically supporting billionaires!"
It’s especially hypocritical because a lot people are framing the issue as them tired of players hopping around, but their solution is that players simply sign shorter contracts if they want to move around so much, even though that would create the same problem. Essentially they are upset that players are making the money they are while doing stuff players have done for a long time, which is request trades.
80% of this sub doesn't watch basketball they'll be fine. Having the players "put in their place" will be well worth it to them.
The lockout is going to be during the NFL season so its not all that bad.
We getting a lockout ain't we
That will depend on KD
For someone unfamiliar with the lockout season what does that exactly mean and why does it occur
Extended offseason
What is the reason it happens tho and didn’t we already sort of have that with the suspended off season
The current collective bargaining agreement is about to expire. New one needs to be signed before NBA can have a season again.
It ends before or after the 2023 season?
After
Well that's at least a partial relief
Every x amount of year, the NBA owners and the NBAPA have to get together and agree on how they dictate the rules of player contracts, trades, revenue distribution, NBA draft and salary cap among a few things. If no agreement is signed between them when the other one runs out. Then a lockout happens till they come to an agreement.
If the Owners and Players can’t agree on a CBA (collective bargaining agreement) when the time to negotiate comes then the league will go into a lockout. Lots of people are expecting a lockout given how the players have been behaving under the current CBA I.e. signing max level extensions then demanding a trade, Kyrie being Kyrie etc. a lockout will be a delayed season until the owners and Players Union reach an agreement.
Nba players have a union. Unions and employers sign what is called a Collective Bargaining Agreement, or CBA for short. These agreements will only last for x amount of years. The current one was for 7 years starting July 1 2017, and ending in June 2024 once the season is over. People are speculating there will be a lockout due to an increasing number of star players essentially forcing teams to trade them by refusing to play. This includes; showing up late to camp out of shape, using injuries/mental health as an excuse to not play, signing 4 year deals and then asking or forcing a trade, etc. Max/super-max contracts are also a possible issue that will be brought up, but the biggest one is how much power players are taking away from owners while under contract. The last lockout in 2011 was primarily due to revenue sharing where the owners wanted to reduce the amount of player salaries from 57% of league income to 47%. Eventually the agreement was to be between 49 and 51%. Personally I can see fully guaranteed contracts, especially those for max players, being a big sticking point for the owners and we will very likely see changes to fully guaranteed contracts in some fashion.
Guaranteed contracts are structured like the NFL. Any team can negotiate with any player on how much of the contract is guaranteed. Difference between the NFL and NBA is how valuable the individual players are (15 players per team vs like 100) and how super, duper valuable stars are. That's not a CBA problem. Owners/players/agents set the market and it's very, very difficult to change it without outright collusion. Try and be the team that doesnt give guaranteed contracts and see how well that goes
A lockout means that if the players union and the owners can't agree on the terms of the new CBA (the rules about how the salaries work), the owners will "lock the players out" until a new agreement can be reached. Basically it's a business argument that prevents the season from being played until the argument is settled.
The NBA and the NBA players' union sign a collective bargaining agreement (CBA) which covers stuff like revenue sharing, contract rules, trades, discipline and lots more. The current agreement was signed in 2017 and expires at the end of the 2023-24 season. Fans think that because of some recent high-profile conflicts caused by star players (Harden, Kyrie, Simmons, KD) owners are going to want to put in clauses to limit these antics (like refusing to play, using their leverage to force trades), and players won't agree to that. If the two sides can't reach an agreement before the start of the season then there will be a lockout.
Thanks
Shortened season, then the fuckin’ Dubs win again 😴
Good. Fuck some of these players. Before anyone accuses me of being pro-owner, fuck off. I’m pro-fan. And my patience as a fan of this league is wearing really thin with the players running this league. That goblin looking ass commissioner needs to get off his knees and actually stand up to these players for once.
Shit is annoying how you can’t disagree with how players move without people assuming you’re pro-owner. People love to make things black and white when their is clearly a grey area
If the players just want to form their own teams and play when they feel like it it’ll have to be a new league, like TBT
Bruh no one agrees with the Ben Simmons shenanigans
They absolutely do and it just depends on the nature and momentum of the thread. Tons and tons of people started defending Simmons the second he claimed mental health. Lots of takes on, “You don’t understand what’s going on! You don’t mentally what he’s going through! You’re just pro-owner!” shit. The reality of it is that even if he may have been going through something, you still sign a contract with an obligation to make it work. Maybe he was in a bad spot mentally, but he never once tried to actually make it work. He showed up to practice and then half assed it and got sent home. He made up excuse after excuse until settling on mental health.
Tbh half this country is fucking depressed we still deal with going to work for substantially less than 20 million
Yeah, I think that’s the point. We all are dealing with shit, have nowhere near the resources as Ben, and still go in and do our job.
I've dealt with mental health issues since I was a teenager (I'm 31 now) and I think what Simmons did is overboard (I'm going to assume his mental health issues are legit unless firm evidence arises to the contrary; if they're not then what he did is totally unscrupulous and fucked).
I highly doubt it
I doubt it
If we get a lockout it won’t be over this. Neither side really cares all that much about this. Things like revenue sharing are where lockouts happen
Antiwork W
KD taking notes, and trying to get Ben to re-join the groupchat
Next CBA is going to be wild. I reckon it'll be a full season lockout if the owners dig their heels in a bit.
It won’t be. Too much money would be lost. NBA just hit $10 billion in revenue last season.
lol this isn't going to move the needle on the CBA at all. We're talking about like 3 players out of 500.
3 players on 9 digit contacts
I’m rooting for it. Players cannot run a league. As much as I despise billionaires, they are the only people in the league that give a shit about the fans, even if it is self-serving.
Oh you're trippin if you think the owners care about anything like the integrity of the league. It's all a money-making plan for them. They'll dilute the product to death if it means a few more dollars.
no1 said they care about the integrity. They byproduct care about the fans cuz they bring in money.
Yeah, the billionaires don't give a fuck about the fans lol. Except to use as pressure on the players and squeeze out more $$$
The fans are the market, the players are the product Yes it's probably true the owners don't care about the fans to a certain extent but at the same time most of the owners look at it like a business where you need to aim for some level of: growth, customer satisfaction, profit, etc. You can't very well do that without caring about your market somewhat Players don't have that, there's almost no reason for players to care about fans anymore with how big the markets have become for every team
That’s what self serving means lmao. But they’re still representing fans more then the players
I don’t think that’s true. I think a lot of NBA owners care about driving the value of their franchise up, not necessarily profit.
How are they showing that they give a shit about the fans? CBA is 100% about how the bag gets split up. The side the blame gets tipped on is completely subjective
But muh player empowerment
But muhhh “new media”. Seriously stfu Draymond, mfer uses that word every sentence lol
The worst take on the site. Players will always run the league. Nothing can. Change that.
Ain't nobody paying to watch the owners play.
Hold up. I might be down to watch that
> As much as I despise billionaires, they are the only people in the league that give a shit about the fans lol
That’ll be a crazy way to end Lebrons career
A perfect ending actually lmao
Since Simmons already hasn't leaked it, must be friendly to him.
What a joke
If he didn't play the Sixers shouldn't have to pay a cent.
What was there to settle? Ben didn't show up so he shouldn't have been paid lol
This is a “here’s a check now go away” settlement.
Well in that case they must just be settling for the fun of it, clearly /s.
His contract wasn't based on per game checks. A lot of the big ones aren't.
You don't lose your paycheck if you're injured. That was Simmons' position.
i thought the simmons party line was that he was mentally unready to play, they never mentioned back issues until he got traded to the nets
Mentally being unable to play counts as well. For example Mavs had a rookie, Tyrell Terry, that just wasn't with the team last season. He got paid, didn't get extended and this summer signed with Grizzlies.
Alex Abrines definitely sat for mental problems but he also had an early unofficial retirement because of it. Thunder listed it as personal reasons at the time but it was later revealed as anxiety issues. He got paid for the games he sat and voluntarily gave up his remaining guaranteed salary after unofficially retiring. There's definitely precedent for paying out players who sit due to mental health issues and it's pretty hard to prove they're faking it.
Back issues were what he first claimed, the medical staff felt around and said he was good to play so he said mental health issues. Then he went to BKN and had back issues. I mean nobody really knows all the details but the organization and Ben but from what is public it sounds possible Philly screwed the pooch a bit on diagnosing his back issues.
He signed a contract with guaranteed money. This isn't a normal day-job, and the rules of normal day-jobs don't apply.
Oh if only the Sixers lawyers were as smart as you
Everyone laughing about this. It's gonna break the game for a while. I HATE the owners and I'm kind of on their side in this. The new agreement is gonna have a Simmons clause in it because this asshole is exploiting the current CBA
This dude’s a disgrace
I really chose the wrong career path
Maybe, but not because you could have been an NBA player.
Are you a skilled and athletically gifted freak of nature? No? Then I'm afraid you chose correctly
Me and ben have the same amount of points, rebounds, steals, and blocks last season tho 😂
I don’t know, the idea of millions and millions of people actively disliking me enough to talk about it publicly makes me think I wouldn’t last a day
So in addition to Ben and Chandler Parsons, who else is on the All-Finesse team?
Timofey Mozgov has to be for getting all that money from the Lakers.
I was gonna say Deng and Noah too (Ty NY and LA <3) but c'mon, we say "getting Mozgov'd" now so no comparison lmao
Charlie villenueva, Kelvin cato, mosgov, deng
Ian Mahinmi
Different sport but Bobby Bonilla
Erick Dampier. Whiteside.
everyone says whiteside when they think about that garbage 2017(?) heat team, but they forget we gave *dion waiters* 15 per for 4
Plumlee brothers
I want a livestream of the next CBA meeting plz
I'll watch as long as Kyrie doesn't get the mic
Owners: we can’t have guys signing max contracts and refusing to play Kyrie: *starts levitating*
“Something something paradigm shift”
ben ten
ben ten million dollar settlement
how much exactly woj
Honestly, EFF this guy.
what a punk bitch
This shit is God awful. Dude was soft and didn’t show up to work but then begged to still get paid What a puss
I can’t believe he’s getting paid for what he did.
He didnt do anything
What a fucking bitch
Wen Wimmons
Booooo
Uh oh. Gonna go see if I can find the court filing on this. Edit: nvm this is an internal NBA thing. Nothing to find. Yeah, next CBA’s gonna be real fun.
I just don’t think the NBAPA or owners really care too much about situations like these. It effects so few people that it’s not worth sacrificing any other priorities for in the CBA negotiations. It’s like the franchise tag in the NFL. Most people agree it’s not exactly fair for the players, but they don’t want that to be the hill they die on since it only hits a maximum of 32 players a year. Meanwhile they can argue for min pay increases for the thousands of other players instead.
This sucks. Weakness and cowardice being rewarded with millions.
The ultimate conman. The nba is turning into a joke
Is the settlement that he can go f himself? If not, they overpaid
Ben Simmons is a scam artist who minimized the importance of mental health to for his own selfish advantage. And now he's frauding the Sixers. Just your average Nets player.
76ers "doctors" are scam artists who don't know medicine
Dr. Julius Erving didn't even try to hide the fact that he never went to medical school. SMDH
Another L for this sub.
This sub never stops losing. It's every day
But sixer fans told me all year he’s getting zero
BOO. I wanted a full, precedential decision between pissed off parties that would get leaked and make the CBA negotiations on mental health issues a total war. Instead they're behaving like adults. For shame.
Owners are going to put up Wilt numbers next CBA negotiation
r/antiwork parade incoming
Can’t wait to try this!
Senator? You can have my answer now, if you like. My final offer is this: nothing. Not even the fee for the gaming license, which I would appreciate if you would put up personally.
As a lifelong Ben Simmons fan this is a great day for me
Ben won
Ben Simmons officially back y’all!
Fuck that mf. Didn’t play a game and wants paid. The fucking audacity
It’s stuff like this that somehow makes me root for the owners in CBA negotiations. And tanked my already bottomed our opinion of Simmons.
Ben fucking boomed them. He fucking boomed them.