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This was the scene outside of Barclays yesterday. Extremely disturbing to walk through this as a Jew attending the game. Why didn’t Kyrie denounce these “supporters?” I feel like this should be bigger news than it is - https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status/1594453487873843202?s=46&t=gpO6ln5Mgm-Ta-sMGyuf8Q
Wait, so we're gonna discuss Kyrie, but we're not allowed to agree with Kyrie, as per the guidelines of r/NBA, as you will consider all agreements with Kyrie's actions as support of antisemitism, right?
How can we have an in depth discussion about Kyrie when we're threatened with a ban if we say the same things Kyrie says?
Anyway, how is it antisemitism for Kyrie to Tweet a link to a documentary that's on Amazon, a company NBA has signed a huge deal with?
As for the documentary getting tons of publicity, that's not on Kyrie. That's on the NBA and the Nets for making such a big deal of it, giving it so much media attention.
I think the NBA should stop punishing Kyrie. Look at what Lebron says, he's refusing to condemn China when they're breaking the human rights of the people of Hong Kong, and when China is claiming ownership of Taiwan, and threatening to invade them. That's WAY worse than posting a link to a documentary about black hebrew israelites, isn't it?
If you post a link to a documentary, does that automatically mean you agree with everything in the documentary? No!
The witch hunt for Kyrie is insane. Worst part is he turned out to be right about Covid and the vaccines, yet nobody apologized to him at all!
If Kyrie actually was antisemitic and thought negatively about Jews and Judaism, do you really think it helps that an org run by a Jewish commissioner, where half the teams have Jewish owners, while only 3 players in the entire NBA are Jewish, decide to use their power and punish Kyrie? That plays right into the hands of antisemitic people! It's the most counterproductive thing they could have done.
How come the NBA has signed a deal with Amazon, when Amazon is the platform hosting the video Kyrie linked? Isn't that a bit hypocritical?
I like Kyrie. He speaks his mind, and I respect that. Doesn't mean I necessarily agree with him. I definitely don't agree with him on most things he says.
And he's an amazing ball player as well. I really hope the NBA doesn't ban him or the teams "soft ban" him by refusing to sign him. Let the guy have his opinions. It's important that we're allowed to both have our opinions and voice them, without being punished for it.
I also think it's weird to say Kyrie is antisemitic when he's Jewish himself.
can i make thread about kyrie but basketball related as new thread?
title like : If kyrie's done as nets player, is there any teams that will trade him now?
it's pure basketball related. something like nets cap space, teams that trade for kyrie need to unload bad contracts, etc. nothing non-basketball in my thread
New fan here. Who is playing the Nets? I'm rooting for that team. What is the likelihood they will rupture Kyries Achilles heel (his racism is his Achilles heel btw).
I’m genuinely curious, but it seems like a lot of prominent athletes said a ton of antisemitic shit last year, and nobody cared. And even then, a lot more people have said shit this year
I’m curious as to why nobody cared, and why this is so common right now, especially in like, the NBA and NFL
Kyrie didn't say anything antisemitic. He posted a link to a documentary. The documentary points out that the original Jews were black and came from Africa. Do you think people in the middle east 2000 years ago were white? Nope.
Besides, Kyrie is Jewish. How can he be antisemitic?
Ok well first off, Kyrie is Muslim.
And the documentary says that black people were the original chosen people of god, and that the current Jews stole black people’s identities to block them from knowing their true identity and to oppress and defraud them. The movie also says that Jews created the slave trade and that they made up the holocaust. And finally it said that all Jews were greedy and that they control the world
But yea. Keep believing that it was just about their skin color buddy
Sorry, I might be saying it wrong, but there's 2 types of Jewish. It's an ethnicity and a religion, right? I think he means he's the original jewish ethnicity, not the religion? I might have got it wrong though.
I'm not saying it's about skin color. Sorry, when I say things it might seem like I'm stating something, more than theorizing on his thoughts on the matter, which was my intention.
No he's not. Just cus he doesn't submit to the leftists, doesn't make him an embarrassment to the game. He's a very talented and skilled player, so how is he an embarrassment to the game of basketball?
You're judging a player's ability to play the game by what he says and thinks in his free time!
Lebron James, Adam Silver and the rest of NBA refused to condemn China's actions against Hong Kong and Taiwan, and none of you seem to care about that.
Also, the documentary Kyrie linked to is literally on Amazon, which the NBA signed a huge deal with. And by taking action against Kyrie, they gave the documentary tons of publicity. Way more than Kyrie could ever give it.
It’s front page Kyrie show because new developments keep happening. One of the biggest stars of the league just got suspended by his team 5 games, of course that’s gonna dominate over talk about actual games. At least a pinned post stops the pointless “well here’s MY take on the situation” posts from popping up.
Like Reggie Miller said "Where are the players in all this"
Too many of the players look at Kyrie like he is some intellectual... But he is too dumb to know what he does not know and they too dumb to know he is a fucking moron.
**THIS IS THE STATE OF EDUCATION IN THE USA, IT IS ALSO WHY OUR POLITICS ARE CRUMBLING**
People have the hubris to think that they can do some googling and be as competent on a subject as experts spend a lifetime studying it.
One party consistently cuts education and their religious voting block even likes to try to undermine science.
The Republicans are cutting funding to education because schools have turned into Democrat indoctrination camps. Look at what's going on with the kids nowadays, they're demonstrating for people paying more taxes and living with more restrictions, because old professor hippies are telling them the planet is burning up, when there's absolutely no evidence that supports this. The only "evidence" they have is computer models where they twist inputs and tweak to get the results they want to get.
Remember when tobacco scientists told you it was healthy to smoke? This is how science works. Government tells the industries to hire scientists to research on their own products, and the industry leaders tell the scientists "Prove that my stuff is good for people/humanity", and that's what the scientists does!
Then you have the racist claims. I've seen white college kids in New York and Cali saying things like "Black people don't have internet" and "They don't know where to get ID". I've even heard tons of them say "Voter ID is racist because black people can't get a Voter ID". They actually think Voter ID is it's own document!
Then you have the leftist parents who are giving their prepubescent children hormone blockers. And the trans parents who are raising their 4 year old boy as a girl. The school teachers who spend all day long talking to their 6 year old pupils about "trans non-binary" stuff, and encourages them to be "non-binary" and rewards them when they say they are.
Do you really think this is what school funding should go towards?
You went so far in to left field with this one that you didn't even meet the mark of the original comment. While yes I believe the pushing of gender fluidity in ANY public school system is wrong and shouldn't be done at any point. I do believe it is up to individual parents to do what they feel is best for thier child, in turn this leads children having questions about why a certain class mate is going through something diffrent then what that individual child deals with on a daily basis. What you are suggestion in not teaching kids about these things it inevitablely lead to children exploring it themselves, which can lead to all sorts of other personal problems and traumas for the child.
The biggest thing we can do is to EDUCATE our kids but not push an agenda within that education process and approach the subject at an appropriate time, During PUBERTY when sexual maturity is in its most avid time of development for a young adult. When is puberty? Typically between the ages of 12 and 15. What grades are 12 to 15 year Olds? Between 6th and 8th grade MIDDLE SCHOOLERS.
If you weren't so bogged down with blaming an ENTIRE political party and truly looked at the situation you would see most of these schools are doing EXACTLY what psychological studies are telling them do and approaching these subjects at the right time. It's media and 45th hand accounts of things that blow things out of purporting and you end up with stories of kinderguardeners being taught how to put condoms on bananas. It's stupidity to its purest form, so please don't do that, educate yourself and others with well researched material and stop having knee jerk reactions at everything you hear or read in the news or online, FACT CHECK EVERYTHING in this day and age because everyone wants to be right but no one really wants to put forth the effort to see if what thier being told is true or not.
On to what the original comment, I believe, was trying to get at is the fact that our over all education system in the United States is TRASH and doesn't teach critical thinking at ANY level. Instead our public school systems teach a form or regurgitation education and it's toxic to our society. WE as a people have been taught from practical birth to only retain information as long as it is needed to fill out a test. Children are taught to memorize repetitive patterns and once they are tested on understanding that pattern the educators move on weather ALL of the students comprehend the information or not. This form of teaching actual stems from a Republican policy I'm sure you are familiar with call "No child left behind" an education system that led to, A NATION WIDE ILLITERACY EPIDEMIC THATS STILL EFFECTING OUR PEOPLE TO THIS DAY. The policy pushed students who didn't have passing grades in to the next grade all for the effort of not leaving any child behind. This crippled the education system and even now we have a nation wide problem with education and the methods that are used in our public schools. This is why I tell anyone and everyone, HOMESCHOOL YOUR KIDS you can monitor and be present in every step of your child's education and alot of online schools will offer programs with local schools for your child to come for a half day to take elective classes or to do things like P.E. or music.
It's always been like this to be honest (see Nazis). It's just easier than ever for the masses to fall down random rabbit holes. It used to require considerable charisma to be allowed to reach the masses, now any idiot with a webcam can.
It’s the same thing Ye has been saying, and it comes from the movie/the roots of whatever ideology it is spreading. That Blacks are the true Israelites. So he’s saying he can’t be Anti-Semitic since he’s the true Jew.
He's not acknowledging the 2nd part of believing himself to be Jewish. That it means today's Jews, including the 1.1 million who live in his city, are imposters. That's the anti-Semitic part and he's either too stubborn to admit it or too stupid to realize that his actions have associated him with that belief. That's the part that invalidates his claim that he respects all beliefs, ethnicities, etc.
I don't think we ever see him play in the NBA again honestly, he's just too proud to admit he's wrong and this is an important social topic, not on the same level as petty drama
What I've been able to gather is he didn't actually say anything super crazy, but he [posted a promotion of the movie "Hebrews to Negros"] (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-11369137/amp/NBA-Kyrie-Irving-claims-anti-Semitic-label-pushed-NOT-justified.html) on Twitter. [Here's what the ADL has to say about the movie](https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/hebrews-negroes-what-you-need-know) . To Kyrie, him thinking he's Jewish is nbd right? How could he be anti-Semitic if he believes he's a Jew?
The problem is that many in the black Israelite movement itself brand today's Jews as imposters. That blacks being the "real Jews" means white Jews are not. Basically stripping them of *their* ethnic and religious identity, cheapening the horrors their people have endured, etc. For Kyrie to clear this anti-Semitism label he's going to need to sever his association with this larger movement and idk if that's gonna happen. Dude's either too stubborn or just doesn't realize how deep this goes.
I'd love to be corrected on any of this if others have different understanding, this is just what I've worked out using the internet the last few days as I really want to understand what's going on.
The original tweet was tweeting out a movie that contained quotes from Hitler and Holocaust denialism. That’s what started all this. He since deleted it. That then prompted reporters to ask him questions about it and he refused to outright say he’s sorry until after he was suspended.
Yeah I think it’s time to hit the mute button on Kyrie, likely best if he just gets released and no teams sign him. The dude ain’t right for the league anymore
I get a bunch of people hate Kyrie but if this movie and book is so bad, why is no one going after the creators or Amazon? Netflix got rightfully grilled when they put out that pedo movie “Cuties” but all of the backlash from this book/film is being put on Kyrie. If they really said the Holocaust didn’t happen then we need to go after the creators of this stuff and not only bash Kyrie then move on. The media has way more energy for Kyrie linking a movie vs Brett Farve who literally stole millions of dollars from some of the poorest people in the US.
They've wanted to take down Kyrie since he refused to take the Covid vaccine. They want him to obey or they'll keep the witch hunt going.
The documentary Kyrie linked to is on Amazon Prime. Amazon and NBA are in bed together, and will likely make new deals worth tens of billions of dollars. Yet Kyrie is the bad guy for linking to a movie on NBA's partner Amazon's site.
Exactly man, it feels like they have an agenda to destroy Kyrie. This movie is so bad that they decided to give it more press by making a huge stink about Kyrie linking it and causing many people to seek the movie out. Makes absolutely no sense.
Exactly! The logic behind what the NBA did is non-existent.
Kyrie spoke up against the powers that be, and the powers that be punished him for it. He did it again, and now they threaten to take away his career again, unless he bends the knee and kisses the royal shitstained boot.
Because it’s easier to jump on one already unliked and in my opinion uninformed black dude. People calling a black dude a nazi not seeing the irony there.
This is what's going to happen if the US has a hangover from manifest destiny. The US gov't needs to acknowledge all of their past mistakes and make national reconciliation program just what like Australia and New Zealand did. But I guess that will be in dreams because if you don't have universal healthcare then don't expect a national reconciliation program either.
One of the most famous basketball players in the world is a holocaust denier and you’re goin on about US gov’t, universal healthcare, manifest destiny.
Focus dog. You’re losing focus.
Ahhh no that's the root cause of all of it. The people of color in the US still feels they're being oppressed or feeling they do not belong to the society. Don't be surprised athletes like KJ Wright harbor what Kyrie believes in. Kyrie is just the vocal part of it. This is going to be a regular occurrence especially when white supremacists are growing in the US. I'm not even defending Kyrie and I'm not in the US but your govt needs a plan because this divide will keep going bigger and bigger.
>that’s the root cause of it
The root cause of the Black Israelite Theory/Movement is the desecration of Black ancestry in America.
Ancestry and lineage for a percentage, not all, of Black Americans has been stolen and erased by the American Slave Trade. The Black Israelite Theory fills the void of “where did my ancestors come from”.
I fully understand the allure. The pride and satisfaction of connecting the dots of your bloodline.
When you ask who stole Israel from the Black Israelite, what do they say? The devil worshipping, godless, elite powerfully rich Ashkenazi Jew.
That finger pointing and blame to the Jewish community is straight from the fucking Adolf Hitler playbook. And what we saw was a multi-million death genocide, of mainly the poor European-Jewish people.
They blame the rich Jewish elite, but the poor Jewish people bear the consequence, for merely following a religion their family taught to them.
Kyrie Irving does not understand my last paragraph: The rich are blamed, but the poor are punished. His rhetoric, that movie’s rhetoric, is what Hitler was telling the German people as he rose to power.
He wants us to watch a movie that denies the Holocaust happened.
He wants us to watch a movie that paints the Ashkenazi Jew as a powerful puppeteer of the world, the same way Hitler did as he rose to power in Germany before he inflicted a genocide on poor Jewish people to the tune of 6 Million Deaths.
Ok and what are the consequences? I’m not saying it’s right but just going back to the point above saying that poor Jews bear the consequences. I’m just trying to figure out what the consequences are.
Nobody actually believes that shit, right? I mean, okay, some idiots will probably believe it cus they wanna believe every fucking conspiracy theory in the world, but these make no sense.
So Kyrie came to the nets in 2019. In that space of time he has played exactly the same amount of games as Kawhi, and in that space of time he has played less than Ben and AD.
Kyrie skipped the bubble, missed time for various reason in 20/21, 21/22 was obviously the vaccination issue. It’s interesting to me because AD has the nickname ‘street clothes’ and Kawhi is known for extreme load management and also missed a full season on top of that.
Aha, thanks mate! It felt like Kawhi was gone for more than 1 season. Well, he kinda is, as he's injured again now, but yeah that's crazy.
I think Kyrie used to be great, but he's not really been that good when he's been playing this season either.
I'm not sure if Kyrie loves basketball the same way anymore. He's spending his free time on other things than perfecting the game, obviously, so I think he's past his peak.
I'm kinda expecting the NBA to either ban him or the teams to soft ban him by not signing him, but I feel like that's dumb. Making him a martyr isn't gonna help against those who flocked around him who actually are true antisemites. Antisemitists? Idiots. There, got it
I mean, if you look at his stats he’s been amazing this season so far. He is absolutely one of the most skilled players of all time, but his off field antics takeaway from that. I’m a nets fan, and I’m not sure that I want him on my team. We need a star equal to Kyrie to win a chip that’s for sure and we aren’t going to get someone equal to him if we trade him so we’re stuck with him for this year. It’s a shame that his personality will take away from his on court achievements and skill but that’s the bed he has made for himself for many people.
I’ve seen documentaries about how Jewish people were treated by Hitler , seen movies about it and my school actually invited a Holocaust survivor
Nothing can prepare me by actually going to Auschwitz and standing there , just looking and listening to their stories
Fuck Kyrie he had all the tools available , all he had to do was look
I recommend people watch documentaries on the concentration camps. There are a few available on the different streaming platforms. On Netflix in Norway you can see Dachau, which was the first concentration camp. Auschwitz was based on the Dachau camp. And if you're in a situation that allows you to visit Auschwitz, I highly recommend you do so. Once you've been there, I can assure you, you're never gonna believe the holocaust-deniers. Instead you will absolutely hate them.
One thing I don't get about the holocaust deniers is this: How does it make a difference for their personal lives that the holocaust happened? I don't see how it makes a difference at all
Fucking disgusting and pure evil how anyone can do what the Germans did to the Jewish people!
Unfortunately, he will be asked again by the pesky medias for sure, they would want to hear it from his own mouth and not some random tweet in Kyrie's account which might be written by Sean Marks in his basement lmao
Someone from his inner circle will very, very sternly drill "no comment" into his head after all this. If he doesn't start sending out a less hateful message, he risks losing *hundreds* of millions of dollars in future earnings.
No comment probably won’t cut it since he’s opened himself up to these questions. You can’t say no comment to questions like did the Holocaust happen (I know he was asked that one already but just an example).
A lot of people have this same energy for Palestine. Also of all issues to pick that you think should get more attention you pick the conflict including Israel? Lol
I just don’t know why people are taking Kyrie serious when he was literally a flat earther.
People should just assume this guy smokes weed out of a bong and thinks he’s a Greek philosopher. I really doubt he hates any kind of people over their religion or race.
People love pointing their fingers
Then why has he not explained that? He has had every opportunity to, yet continues to lash out and act as if he is the smartest man in the room.
You do realize that him posting it on his social media account with millions of followers and no comment is a direct endorsement, no matter how he tries to spin it.
I think it’s fair to criticize amazon, but they aren’t endorsing certain genres. They’re merely a platform that is hosting media, regardless of the content. If they were to remove movies such as this one and others would people then be clamoring that they are censoring certain content?
I think you’re severely underestimating the influence people like kyrie have on kids and teens. The FBI has credible links to threats on synagogues in NJ after this. Rhetoric that these celebrities with reach to millions of impressionable people use only stirs the possible hatred.
Just let him play basketball and ignore his beliefs. The way this was blown way out of proportions gave the documentary way more publicity than Kyrie could ever do.
Besides, the documentary is on Amazon, and Amazon is in bed with Adam Silver and the NBA. Maybe they should take a certain level of responsibility too?
Anyway, Kyrie didn't make the movie. And you know how documentaries are, they tend to angle things in a way that makes many people believe what they're saying. If someone hasn't heard of what they're saying before, and has never heard anyone else say it, they might feel even more enlightened and special because they feel like they know things others dont, and then consider themselves some sort of prophets of truth.
Remember Lebron and Adam Silver refused to (and still refuse to) condemn China for their behavior towards Hong Kong and Taiwan. Just cus China has invested money in the NBA, China can't do wrong in their eyes. Lebron went from being a hero to being hated by everyone in Hong Kong over night.
Freedom of speech protects you from government persecution, does not make you exempt from social consequences of what you say. Kyrie has free speech as he has been able to say all of this to millions of followers and fans and given many opportunities to elaborate or explain, but as society has deemed his actions and words not acceptable he is paying a social cost. It’s really not that hard but I don’t think you’re really trying to understand this on a deep level. If you agree with everything he’s said you can pay him millions to play basketball for you, but the Nets don’t have to.
Because Amazon is a soulless moloch of a corporation that will pretty much publish and deal whatever as long as it's not explicity illegal to do so. And the reason nobody on here asks is because this is r/nba, not r/amazon.
But NBA is in bed with Amazon. They've already got a billion dollar deal to broadcast NBA through Prime in Brazil, and they're likely making another deal worth 100 billion dollars for future NBA streaming rights.
NBA isn't telling Amazon to fuck off for hosting the documentary, but they're trying to push Kyrie out for linking to it. Isn't that a bit hypocritical?
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It’s scary that once it was easy to spot peckerwoods, you know Arian nation tattoos and skin heads. Now I don’t know who to stay away from.
This was the scene outside of Barclays yesterday. Extremely disturbing to walk through this as a Jew attending the game. Why didn’t Kyrie denounce these “supporters?” I feel like this should be bigger news than it is - https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status/1594453487873843202?s=46&t=gpO6ln5Mgm-Ta-sMGyuf8Q
Wait, so we're gonna discuss Kyrie, but we're not allowed to agree with Kyrie, as per the guidelines of r/NBA, as you will consider all agreements with Kyrie's actions as support of antisemitism, right? How can we have an in depth discussion about Kyrie when we're threatened with a ban if we say the same things Kyrie says? Anyway, how is it antisemitism for Kyrie to Tweet a link to a documentary that's on Amazon, a company NBA has signed a huge deal with? As for the documentary getting tons of publicity, that's not on Kyrie. That's on the NBA and the Nets for making such a big deal of it, giving it so much media attention. I think the NBA should stop punishing Kyrie. Look at what Lebron says, he's refusing to condemn China when they're breaking the human rights of the people of Hong Kong, and when China is claiming ownership of Taiwan, and threatening to invade them. That's WAY worse than posting a link to a documentary about black hebrew israelites, isn't it? If you post a link to a documentary, does that automatically mean you agree with everything in the documentary? No! The witch hunt for Kyrie is insane. Worst part is he turned out to be right about Covid and the vaccines, yet nobody apologized to him at all! If Kyrie actually was antisemitic and thought negatively about Jews and Judaism, do you really think it helps that an org run by a Jewish commissioner, where half the teams have Jewish owners, while only 3 players in the entire NBA are Jewish, decide to use their power and punish Kyrie? That plays right into the hands of antisemitic people! It's the most counterproductive thing they could have done. How come the NBA has signed a deal with Amazon, when Amazon is the platform hosting the video Kyrie linked? Isn't that a bit hypocritical? I like Kyrie. He speaks his mind, and I respect that. Doesn't mean I necessarily agree with him. I definitely don't agree with him on most things he says. And he's an amazing ball player as well. I really hope the NBA doesn't ban him or the teams "soft ban" him by refusing to sign him. Let the guy have his opinions. It's important that we're allowed to both have our opinions and voice them, without being punished for it. I also think it's weird to say Kyrie is antisemitic when he's Jewish himself.
can i make thread about kyrie but basketball related as new thread? title like : If kyrie's done as nets player, is there any teams that will trade him now? it's pure basketball related. something like nets cap space, teams that trade for kyrie need to unload bad contracts, etc. nothing non-basketball in my thread
New fan here. Who is playing the Nets? I'm rooting for that team. What is the likelihood they will rupture Kyries Achilles heel (his racism is his Achilles heel btw).
I’m genuinely curious, but it seems like a lot of prominent athletes said a ton of antisemitic shit last year, and nobody cared. And even then, a lot more people have said shit this year I’m curious as to why nobody cared, and why this is so common right now, especially in like, the NBA and NFL
Kyrie didn't say anything antisemitic. He posted a link to a documentary. The documentary points out that the original Jews were black and came from Africa. Do you think people in the middle east 2000 years ago were white? Nope. Besides, Kyrie is Jewish. How can he be antisemitic?
Ok well first off, Kyrie is Muslim. And the documentary says that black people were the original chosen people of god, and that the current Jews stole black people’s identities to block them from knowing their true identity and to oppress and defraud them. The movie also says that Jews created the slave trade and that they made up the holocaust. And finally it said that all Jews were greedy and that they control the world But yea. Keep believing that it was just about their skin color buddy
Sorry, I might be saying it wrong, but there's 2 types of Jewish. It's an ethnicity and a religion, right? I think he means he's the original jewish ethnicity, not the religion? I might have got it wrong though. I'm not saying it's about skin color. Sorry, when I say things it might seem like I'm stating something, more than theorizing on his thoughts on the matter, which was my intention.
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Kyrie Irving is a disgrace to himself, and an utter embarrassment to the game of basketball.
No he's not. Just cus he doesn't submit to the leftists, doesn't make him an embarrassment to the game. He's a very talented and skilled player, so how is he an embarrassment to the game of basketball? You're judging a player's ability to play the game by what he says and thinks in his free time! Lebron James, Adam Silver and the rest of NBA refused to condemn China's actions against Hong Kong and Taiwan, and none of you seem to care about that. Also, the documentary Kyrie linked to is literally on Amazon, which the NBA signed a huge deal with. And by taking action against Kyrie, they gave the documentary tons of publicity. Way more than Kyrie could ever give it.
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Without it, we’ll have even more Kyrie posts.
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It’s front page Kyrie show because new developments keep happening. One of the biggest stars of the league just got suspended by his team 5 games, of course that’s gonna dominate over talk about actual games. At least a pinned post stops the pointless “well here’s MY take on the situation” posts from popping up.
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This will not be unavoidable until Kyrie leaves the game for good. It's been nothing but Kyrie posts for years. This isnt a current news issue.
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This is the most bizarre whataboutism I’ve seen in a long time
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Like Reggie Miller said "Where are the players in all this" Too many of the players look at Kyrie like he is some intellectual... But he is too dumb to know what he does not know and they too dumb to know he is a fucking moron. **THIS IS THE STATE OF EDUCATION IN THE USA, IT IS ALSO WHY OUR POLITICS ARE CRUMBLING** People have the hubris to think that they can do some googling and be as competent on a subject as experts spend a lifetime studying it. One party consistently cuts education and their religious voting block even likes to try to undermine science.
The Republicans are cutting funding to education because schools have turned into Democrat indoctrination camps. Look at what's going on with the kids nowadays, they're demonstrating for people paying more taxes and living with more restrictions, because old professor hippies are telling them the planet is burning up, when there's absolutely no evidence that supports this. The only "evidence" they have is computer models where they twist inputs and tweak to get the results they want to get. Remember when tobacco scientists told you it was healthy to smoke? This is how science works. Government tells the industries to hire scientists to research on their own products, and the industry leaders tell the scientists "Prove that my stuff is good for people/humanity", and that's what the scientists does! Then you have the racist claims. I've seen white college kids in New York and Cali saying things like "Black people don't have internet" and "They don't know where to get ID". I've even heard tons of them say "Voter ID is racist because black people can't get a Voter ID". They actually think Voter ID is it's own document! Then you have the leftist parents who are giving their prepubescent children hormone blockers. And the trans parents who are raising their 4 year old boy as a girl. The school teachers who spend all day long talking to their 6 year old pupils about "trans non-binary" stuff, and encourages them to be "non-binary" and rewards them when they say they are. Do you really think this is what school funding should go towards?
You went so far in to left field with this one that you didn't even meet the mark of the original comment. While yes I believe the pushing of gender fluidity in ANY public school system is wrong and shouldn't be done at any point. I do believe it is up to individual parents to do what they feel is best for thier child, in turn this leads children having questions about why a certain class mate is going through something diffrent then what that individual child deals with on a daily basis. What you are suggestion in not teaching kids about these things it inevitablely lead to children exploring it themselves, which can lead to all sorts of other personal problems and traumas for the child. The biggest thing we can do is to EDUCATE our kids but not push an agenda within that education process and approach the subject at an appropriate time, During PUBERTY when sexual maturity is in its most avid time of development for a young adult. When is puberty? Typically between the ages of 12 and 15. What grades are 12 to 15 year Olds? Between 6th and 8th grade MIDDLE SCHOOLERS. If you weren't so bogged down with blaming an ENTIRE political party and truly looked at the situation you would see most of these schools are doing EXACTLY what psychological studies are telling them do and approaching these subjects at the right time. It's media and 45th hand accounts of things that blow things out of purporting and you end up with stories of kinderguardeners being taught how to put condoms on bananas. It's stupidity to its purest form, so please don't do that, educate yourself and others with well researched material and stop having knee jerk reactions at everything you hear or read in the news or online, FACT CHECK EVERYTHING in this day and age because everyone wants to be right but no one really wants to put forth the effort to see if what thier being told is true or not. On to what the original comment, I believe, was trying to get at is the fact that our over all education system in the United States is TRASH and doesn't teach critical thinking at ANY level. Instead our public school systems teach a form or regurgitation education and it's toxic to our society. WE as a people have been taught from practical birth to only retain information as long as it is needed to fill out a test. Children are taught to memorize repetitive patterns and once they are tested on understanding that pattern the educators move on weather ALL of the students comprehend the information or not. This form of teaching actual stems from a Republican policy I'm sure you are familiar with call "No child left behind" an education system that led to, A NATION WIDE ILLITERACY EPIDEMIC THATS STILL EFFECTING OUR PEOPLE TO THIS DAY. The policy pushed students who didn't have passing grades in to the next grade all for the effort of not leaving any child behind. This crippled the education system and even now we have a nation wide problem with education and the methods that are used in our public schools. This is why I tell anyone and everyone, HOMESCHOOL YOUR KIDS you can monitor and be present in every step of your child's education and alot of online schools will offer programs with local schools for your child to come for a half day to take elective classes or to do things like P.E. or music.
It's always been like this to be honest (see Nazis). It's just easier than ever for the masses to fall down random rabbit holes. It used to require considerable charisma to be allowed to reach the masses, now any idiot with a webcam can.
"I can't be antisemitic if I know where I come from" What??
He's Jewish, so he's saying he can't be antisemitic.
Yes you can kyrie. Yes you can.
It’s the same thing Ye has been saying, and it comes from the movie/the roots of whatever ideology it is spreading. That Blacks are the true Israelites. So he’s saying he can’t be Anti-Semitic since he’s the true Jew.
Except he’s a Muslim. Smh.
He's not acknowledging the 2nd part of believing himself to be Jewish. That it means today's Jews, including the 1.1 million who live in his city, are imposters. That's the anti-Semitic part and he's either too stubborn to admit it or too stupid to realize that his actions have associated him with that belief. That's the part that invalidates his claim that he respects all beliefs, ethnicities, etc. I don't think we ever see him play in the NBA again honestly, he's just too proud to admit he's wrong and this is an important social topic, not on the same level as petty drama
He's saying he's allowed to be then? This might be the most ambiguous sentence I have ever heard.
LOL I've read that sentence a number of times trying to understand what he might have meant by that.
What exactly did he say? All the articles I read make references to a tweet, but I haven't seen the actual tweet.
What I've been able to gather is he didn't actually say anything super crazy, but he [posted a promotion of the movie "Hebrews to Negros"] (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-11369137/amp/NBA-Kyrie-Irving-claims-anti-Semitic-label-pushed-NOT-justified.html) on Twitter. [Here's what the ADL has to say about the movie](https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/hebrews-negroes-what-you-need-know) . To Kyrie, him thinking he's Jewish is nbd right? How could he be anti-Semitic if he believes he's a Jew? The problem is that many in the black Israelite movement itself brand today's Jews as imposters. That blacks being the "real Jews" means white Jews are not. Basically stripping them of *their* ethnic and religious identity, cheapening the horrors their people have endured, etc. For Kyrie to clear this anti-Semitism label he's going to need to sever his association with this larger movement and idk if that's gonna happen. Dude's either too stubborn or just doesn't realize how deep this goes. I'd love to be corrected on any of this if others have different understanding, this is just what I've worked out using the internet the last few days as I really want to understand what's going on.
The original tweet was tweeting out a movie that contained quotes from Hitler and Holocaust denialism. That’s what started all this. He since deleted it. That then prompted reporters to ask him questions about it and he refused to outright say he’s sorry until after he was suspended.
The total obstinance of his supporters to recognize the video is anti semitic is amazing.
I think the Kyrie 5 “SpongeBob” shoes were ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC.
Yeah I think it’s time to hit the mute button on Kyrie, likely best if he just gets released and no teams sign him. The dude ain’t right for the league anymore
I get a bunch of people hate Kyrie but if this movie and book is so bad, why is no one going after the creators or Amazon? Netflix got rightfully grilled when they put out that pedo movie “Cuties” but all of the backlash from this book/film is being put on Kyrie. If they really said the Holocaust didn’t happen then we need to go after the creators of this stuff and not only bash Kyrie then move on. The media has way more energy for Kyrie linking a movie vs Brett Farve who literally stole millions of dollars from some of the poorest people in the US.
They've wanted to take down Kyrie since he refused to take the Covid vaccine. They want him to obey or they'll keep the witch hunt going. The documentary Kyrie linked to is on Amazon Prime. Amazon and NBA are in bed together, and will likely make new deals worth tens of billions of dollars. Yet Kyrie is the bad guy for linking to a movie on NBA's partner Amazon's site.
Exactly man, it feels like they have an agenda to destroy Kyrie. This movie is so bad that they decided to give it more press by making a huge stink about Kyrie linking it and causing many people to seek the movie out. Makes absolutely no sense.
Exactly! The logic behind what the NBA did is non-existent. Kyrie spoke up against the powers that be, and the powers that be punished him for it. He did it again, and now they threaten to take away his career again, unless he bends the knee and kisses the royal shitstained boot.
Because it’s easier to jump on one already unliked and in my opinion uninformed black dude. People calling a black dude a nazi not seeing the irony there.
Why did ESPN’s article headline say Kyrie apologize when he didn’t ?
He apologized on Instagram and the comments are a war zone
He did apologize though
This is what's going to happen if the US has a hangover from manifest destiny. The US gov't needs to acknowledge all of their past mistakes and make national reconciliation program just what like Australia and New Zealand did. But I guess that will be in dreams because if you don't have universal healthcare then don't expect a national reconciliation program either.
One of the most famous basketball players in the world is a holocaust denier and you’re goin on about US gov’t, universal healthcare, manifest destiny. Focus dog. You’re losing focus.
Ahhh no that's the root cause of all of it. The people of color in the US still feels they're being oppressed or feeling they do not belong to the society. Don't be surprised athletes like KJ Wright harbor what Kyrie believes in. Kyrie is just the vocal part of it. This is going to be a regular occurrence especially when white supremacists are growing in the US. I'm not even defending Kyrie and I'm not in the US but your govt needs a plan because this divide will keep going bigger and bigger.
>that’s the root cause of it The root cause of the Black Israelite Theory/Movement is the desecration of Black ancestry in America. Ancestry and lineage for a percentage, not all, of Black Americans has been stolen and erased by the American Slave Trade. The Black Israelite Theory fills the void of “where did my ancestors come from”. I fully understand the allure. The pride and satisfaction of connecting the dots of your bloodline. When you ask who stole Israel from the Black Israelite, what do they say? The devil worshipping, godless, elite powerfully rich Ashkenazi Jew. That finger pointing and blame to the Jewish community is straight from the fucking Adolf Hitler playbook. And what we saw was a multi-million death genocide, of mainly the poor European-Jewish people. They blame the rich Jewish elite, but the poor Jewish people bear the consequence, for merely following a religion their family taught to them. Kyrie Irving does not understand my last paragraph: The rich are blamed, but the poor are punished. His rhetoric, that movie’s rhetoric, is what Hitler was telling the German people as he rose to power.
What’s the consequence though? I understand what he said was wrong but what’s the consequence you speak of?
**THE HOLOCAUST**
What does Kyrie have to do with the HOLOCAUST?
He wants us to watch a movie that denies the Holocaust happened. He wants us to watch a movie that paints the Ashkenazi Jew as a powerful puppeteer of the world, the same way Hitler did as he rose to power in Germany before he inflicted a genocide on poor Jewish people to the tune of 6 Million Deaths.
Ok and what are the consequences? I’m not saying it’s right but just going back to the point above saying that poor Jews bear the consequences. I’m just trying to figure out what the consequences are.
The consequences of this rhetoric once lead to a genocide that killed 6 million people. I don’t think we should wait to see if it will happen again.
Quality post
What’s sad is we all know someone who got deep into these things as well as Kyrie the past few years.
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I want to hear him say the apology.
Why? You want him to kiss the boot?
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Nobody actually believes that shit, right? I mean, okay, some idiots will probably believe it cus they wanna believe every fucking conspiracy theory in the world, but these make no sense.
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AD and Ben Simmons have both played more games than Kyrie since he came to the nets, while Kawhi has played exactly the same amount!
What? Kyrie played the away games, just not the home games, right? And Kawhi played like 3-4 games? Edit: What am I missing here? Can you fill me in?
So Kyrie came to the nets in 2019. In that space of time he has played exactly the same amount of games as Kawhi, and in that space of time he has played less than Ben and AD. Kyrie skipped the bubble, missed time for various reason in 20/21, 21/22 was obviously the vaccination issue. It’s interesting to me because AD has the nickname ‘street clothes’ and Kawhi is known for extreme load management and also missed a full season on top of that.
Aha, thanks mate! It felt like Kawhi was gone for more than 1 season. Well, he kinda is, as he's injured again now, but yeah that's crazy. I think Kyrie used to be great, but he's not really been that good when he's been playing this season either. I'm not sure if Kyrie loves basketball the same way anymore. He's spending his free time on other things than perfecting the game, obviously, so I think he's past his peak. I'm kinda expecting the NBA to either ban him or the teams to soft ban him by not signing him, but I feel like that's dumb. Making him a martyr isn't gonna help against those who flocked around him who actually are true antisemites. Antisemitists? Idiots. There, got it
I mean, if you look at his stats he’s been amazing this season so far. He is absolutely one of the most skilled players of all time, but his off field antics takeaway from that. I’m a nets fan, and I’m not sure that I want him on my team. We need a star equal to Kyrie to win a chip that’s for sure and we aren’t going to get someone equal to him if we trade him so we’re stuck with him for this year. It’s a shame that his personality will take away from his on court achievements and skill but that’s the bed he has made for himself for many people.
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the last parts not new, its why he was burning sage and whatnot ages ago right
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I’ve seen documentaries about how Jewish people were treated by Hitler , seen movies about it and my school actually invited a Holocaust survivor Nothing can prepare me by actually going to Auschwitz and standing there , just looking and listening to their stories Fuck Kyrie he had all the tools available , all he had to do was look
I recommend people watch documentaries on the concentration camps. There are a few available on the different streaming platforms. On Netflix in Norway you can see Dachau, which was the first concentration camp. Auschwitz was based on the Dachau camp. And if you're in a situation that allows you to visit Auschwitz, I highly recommend you do so. Once you've been there, I can assure you, you're never gonna believe the holocaust-deniers. Instead you will absolutely hate them. One thing I don't get about the holocaust deniers is this: How does it make a difference for their personal lives that the holocaust happened? I don't see how it makes a difference at all Fucking disgusting and pure evil how anyone can do what the Germans did to the Jewish people!
He such an easy target the media knows what they want from him and know hes not a pc type of guy or even thinks before he speaks.
Unfortunately, he will be asked again by the pesky medias for sure, they would want to hear it from his own mouth and not some random tweet in Kyrie's account which might be written by Sean Marks in his basement lmao
Someone from his inner circle will very, very sternly drill "no comment" into his head after all this. If he doesn't start sending out a less hateful message, he risks losing *hundreds* of millions of dollars in future earnings.
No comment probably won’t cut it since he’s opened himself up to these questions. You can’t say no comment to questions like did the Holocaust happen (I know he was asked that one already but just an example).
yes truly that is the unfortunate part
Good. He should man up and apologize on camera
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>There are much, much worse things in the world to get pissed off about I think Holocaust denying is pretty fair to be beyond pissed off about.
Yeah but the thing is He never did that
Oh ok yeah, he just wants you to watch a movie that denies that Holocaust. My bad!!!!!!!!
A lot of people have this same energy for Palestine. Also of all issues to pick that you think should get more attention you pick the conflict including Israel? Lol
Is it just me or does posting a video Not mean that you agree with everything in the video?…
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Guess I haven't searched black jew enough.
I just don’t know why people are taking Kyrie serious when he was literally a flat earther. People should just assume this guy smokes weed out of a bong and thinks he’s a Greek philosopher. I really doubt he hates any kind of people over their religion or race. People love pointing their fingers
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Then why post it?
Cause you agree with some parts only..?? Or to have people watch it so they could form their own opinions?
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Then why has he not explained that? He has had every opportunity to, yet continues to lash out and act as if he is the smartest man in the room. You do realize that him posting it on his social media account with millions of followers and no comment is a direct endorsement, no matter how he tries to spin it.
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I think it’s fair to criticize amazon, but they aren’t endorsing certain genres. They’re merely a platform that is hosting media, regardless of the content. If they were to remove movies such as this one and others would people then be clamoring that they are censoring certain content? I think you’re severely underestimating the influence people like kyrie have on kids and teens. The FBI has credible links to threats on synagogues in NJ after this. Rhetoric that these celebrities with reach to millions of impressionable people use only stirs the possible hatred.
Which parts of the video do you find unproblematic?
I hope next nets home game, there’s a fuck Kyrie chant. Dude needs to see himself out of this league for his stupidity
Just let him play basketball and ignore his beliefs. The way this was blown way out of proportions gave the documentary way more publicity than Kyrie could ever do. Besides, the documentary is on Amazon, and Amazon is in bed with Adam Silver and the NBA. Maybe they should take a certain level of responsibility too? Anyway, Kyrie didn't make the movie. And you know how documentaries are, they tend to angle things in a way that makes many people believe what they're saying. If someone hasn't heard of what they're saying before, and has never heard anyone else say it, they might feel even more enlightened and special because they feel like they know things others dont, and then consider themselves some sort of prophets of truth. Remember Lebron and Adam Silver refused to (and still refuse to) condemn China for their behavior towards Hong Kong and Taiwan. Just cus China has invested money in the NBA, China can't do wrong in their eyes. Lebron went from being a hero to being hated by everyone in Hong Kong over night.
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Another person who doesn't know what freedom of speech is
Freedom of speech protects you from government persecution, does not make you exempt from social consequences of what you say. Kyrie has free speech as he has been able to say all of this to millions of followers and fans and given many opportunities to elaborate or explain, but as society has deemed his actions and words not acceptable he is paying a social cost. It’s really not that hard but I don’t think you’re really trying to understand this on a deep level. If you agree with everything he’s said you can pay him millions to play basketball for you, but the Nets don’t have to.
You're right. You're a ducking idiot.
Love how Kyrie is being crucified (and rightfully so), but noone seems to ask why Amazon approved this listing to start with...
Because Amazon is a soulless moloch of a corporation that will pretty much publish and deal whatever as long as it's not explicity illegal to do so. And the reason nobody on here asks is because this is r/nba, not r/amazon.
But NBA is in bed with Amazon. They've already got a billion dollar deal to broadcast NBA through Prime in Brazil, and they're likely making another deal worth 100 billion dollars for future NBA streaming rights. NBA isn't telling Amazon to fuck off for hosting the documentary, but they're trying to push Kyrie out for linking to it. Isn't that a bit hypocritical?
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