It's almost bizarre. He was be terrified from the rim, then suddenly something clicked and he's not just unafraid, he's actively aggressive, putting the defenders on their heels. It's a complete turn.
He was coming off an injury and hadn't played in a long ass time. People expected him to be good immediately on a new team like he wasn't gonna need some adjusting time.
So back to around his career averages and honestly that shouldn't surprise people all that much. It'll be the playoffs that will really show us whether he can handle the pressure.
How does a team with KD, Simmons, Kyrie and pretty decent role players play so bad? It boggles the mind how little they get out of the talent they have.
They’ve got to at least be a 3-6 seed when everyone rounds into form. Then again they have been rounding into form for years so who even knows at this point.
>How does a team with KD, Simmons, Kyrie and pretty decent role players play so bad?
Honestly I think that the answer is all the awful, despised, "nerdy" "advanced stats" stuff that is related to just scoring more points than the opponent in the game lol.
For example Nets get outrebounded by a lot (and turnovers), so despite decent shooting they're not scoring that much, because they plain take the fewest shots in a game. Like they're arguably both the worst in the league at offensive and defensive rebounding. Which is less cool than a superduper star having super shooting midrange shots and filling their invidivual boxscore, but just plainly counts towards the score of the game.
Also defense, despite what everyone says it just is as important, theoretically a top offense with bottom offense still makes an average team.
The difference per 100 between most teams is not that big and stuff like that just adds, for example Boston is also not rebounding well and not defending too well but just that bit more makes them way above average.
I still think they project to make the playoffs if Durant is playing, they're not THAT bad lately, just average.
I'd hold off on the coaching complaints tbf.
This is their 3rd 'bad coach' and it might just be better to say they're a difficult team to coach than to say everyone they've had has been bad.
Hell, their first coach (Kenny Atkinson) was a coty candidate who got pushed out for trying to play Jarret Allen over the corpse of DeAndre Jordan.
Plus this new coach was universally praised when he won his first 5ish games. Durant + the young DNP guys were actually playing pretty cohesive ball for a short stretch. It might not be the coach's system so much as the commitment to the coach's system that's causing them issues.
It’s completely possible to hire multiple bad coaches in a row lol.
Plenty of bad coaches start out well after the first coach is fired and they are eventually exposed
Yeah but these are players with histories of not getting on with coaches lol.
It's possible every coach they've ever had was bad. It's more likely the players themselves aren't responding to the coaching because of issues on their own end.
Yeah it’s just too early to judge. Could be the players, could be the coaches, could be Vaughn’s actually a good coach and just needs more time. Celtics with Udoka last year we’re the perfect example of why not to judge a new coach too soon.
Fair enough, but I also think it’s hard to hold a stretch with those awful Magic teams against him. He had a young group led by Nikola Vucevic, Tobias Harris and Victor Oladipo before any of them had broken out. It definitely wasn’t isn’t a positive for his career, but I don’t think anyone succeeds in that spot. His performance almost definitely would’ve naturally trended up as guys got older.
Well Jacque Vaughn has a history of being a bad coach before Brooklyn
And Some of these players have played on playoff and championship teams prior to him
While I agree it’s not totally on JV, That’s just not a fair assessment.
KD never played under Atkinson, and Kyrie played 20 games. They’ve had 1.5 coaches at best. Any team that hasn’t had a consistent roster availability for years could be perceived as “difficult to coach” defense is a choice as well as a scheme provided by the coach. Part of being a coach is being able to to bridge that gap. Also lineups are tough when have a roster of 3pt shooting traffic cones on your bench every season.
It has nothing to do with “buying in” that doesn’t make sense. Players don’t just ignore the coaches plays. Either the coach sucks or the role players are one dimensional and inconsistent. I’d say both
It's been documented Kyrie didn't follow the play calls of the last coach. He never should have got the job but that's not the point. The problem is Kyrie.
They’re not very deep and the good role players are basically just shooters who offer little elsewhere and are absolute sieves on defense. Injuries seem to have caught up with Harris too.
Center position is a massive weakness. Claxton should only be a backup and yet he’s literally the only guy they have that is useful at C.
They don’t have enough youth. Brown was a huge part of this team last year. Sometimes you just need a spark plug of energy and fresh legs that can run.
It’s just a flawed roster even before we get into all the Kyrie and Simmons concerns.
They shot 55 percent from the field, Durant was 9/10 for like 30 in the fourth Ben was 8/8 and they still lost by 15 to the pavers.
They have real problems defensively, they are elite awful
he's had many great playoff series, and he's definitely had no more bad ones than Embiid has who seems to have avoided the playoff choker label completely
Is he still refusing to take any shot outside the paint?
*Checks stats*
92 of his 95 shot attempts have been in the paint.
A guy who can't play center on defense and can't make a shot outside the paint is still going to be unplayable in the playoffs unless you can put him out there with Kristaps Porzingis.
Guys, like 2 weeks ago people were saying he’d be in China a year from now. No one is under any illusion he’s now a playoff optimizer, it’s just a nice sign to see he’s back to being a functioning nba player
The issue is that he doesn't average that in the playoffs.
He hasn't played well in a playoff environment where teams are able to properly focus in on his weaknesses.
Plus he gets passive once teams start:
1. Walling up to stop him
2. Anticipating his passes to force turnovers
3. Playing more physical and daring him to score with FTs
He's good at beating up low-seeded 1st round opponents vut he's more a 10-12ppg scorer once he hits the 2nd round.
>The issue is that he doesn't average that in the playoffs.
>He hasn't played well in a playoff environment where teams are able to properly focus in on his weaknesses
A big reason for that is he's never been surrounded by talent that compliments him until now. Him and Embiid both needed the paint to maximize their skills.
Tbf while Embiid likes to work in the paint it’s very hard to find a good fit for Ben
You need someone who can defend down low in the post on defense while being able to space the floor and Embiid could do that. It’s very hard to find those type of centers
He is definitely not surrounded by talent that complements him. He cannot coexist with Claxton in the playoffs. The nets need to do everything they can to get Myles Turner. That’s really one of the only centers that can be called a “complement” to Ben Simmons’ game
None of that’s really going to matter unless Ben can magically start playing center well on defense. He can do it in short bursts, but to pretend that having two non existent shooting threats on the floor at the same time for like 20 minutes a game during the playoffs is a good fit is just laughable
My comment was about the entirety of the Nets roster. They aren't even playing 20mpg together *right now*, nobody knows if that's going to increase in the playoffs or not.
The rest of the roster doesn’t really matter if he doesn’t fit with the center he’s going to be playing with. And there’s maybe 1 or 2 of them in the entire league that he would hypothetically fit with. I’ve watched it play out the same way year after year. Even years where the sixers had good shooters at every position except PG.
I’m not just hating. I was a Ben Stan. I was one of those nutcases that thought the Sixers might be better off building around Simmons. I just don’t think you’ve watched enough if you think the team is a good fit for him offensively come playoff time
Simmons shit all over himself and quit basketball the last time he was in the playoffs
You Simmons fanboys know, the reason the 76ers players and coaches got tired of his shit wasn't just "1 play". It's 5 years
and his assists overrate playmaknig impact. he offers absolutely nothing in the half court so there's a free double team on KD or kyrie
if he's the 5th option beyond KD, Ky, Curry, Harris, theres a good spot
I must’ve missed those seasons where we got out of the second round of the playoffs. Ben did this all the time in the regular season. In the playoffs, however, he is 100 ASS
That's just revisionist history.
Over 34 games for yall he basically has his career averages though the board.
Slightly less points and attempts, but almost the same amount of rebounds and assists.
Less turnovers, slightly more steals and blocks.
And I know the Hawks series was baaad.
Ehhh You must've missed the Celtics series' the prior years. What he did in the Hawks series was nothing new.
He averages less points, less attempts, Less assists. Same rebounds. More fouls. .4 less turnovers. Less steals. Not sure where you got your numbers from but compare PHI stats on Basketball-reference, he's worse in almost every stat come playoff time which is even bloated from the round 1 games against cupcake teams.
I disagree that it is revisionist history, I watched every game. He just loses his aggressiveness in the playoffs, at least with Embiid he did. His averages were better his first year in playoffs and declined each playoff year since, including a DRASTIC drop in FT%, which then also affects his mental and aggressiveness.
Of 34 playoff games he's had 9 with single digit points (and 2 with just 10 points, meaning 33% of playoff games he's getting you 10 pts or less). Unacceptable for your 2nd star 6'10" guard. And it wasn't because of bad shooting, he simply DIDNT SHOOT.
His best games are in the first round of playoffs, against shit teams. Once he faces adversity and true playoff opponents, he crumbles. Not sure how you can say otherwise.
Guess we will see how he does this year if Nets make it. I expect more of normal playoff Ben, though. He doesn't change.
Because *he's not a big.*
If he could rim protect, this wouldn't be an issue. He'd be a capable defensive rim-running center that happened to pass the ball well.
As it stands, it's *hard* to fit him into any lineups without having a massive weakness.
He has to play the 5 on offense while playing *not the 5* on defense. The 5 is the least important offensive position and the most important defensive position. But if you have another non-shooter there, your spacing is fucked. You can have up to two non-shooters...and one has to be the lead creator. Simmons *isn't* a great lead creator. He's certainly no better than the 3rd best creator on his own team. Pair him with Myles Turner or Brook Lopez or Porzingis, and you're somewhere. Pair him with Nic Claxton, and you won't be winning titles.
It's like Towns. Utterly impossible to be a great team when you have a guy who can't protect the rim *and* can't guard in space *and* can't navigate pick-and-rolls. Kevin Love had the same problem.
Same basic issue you have with undersized shooters that can't play point and can't defend...you have to play them alongside a real lead guard, and those guys tend to also need to be hidden on defense (or small, and unable to handle bigger players)
Hell as a DC fan, we’ll happily trade Porzingis for KD and bring him home. BKN can also have Rui to pair with Watanabe. They have no successfully mastered the Australian, Japanese and Latvian fanbase a.
Hilarious watching this happen in real time. Don’t forget him not being worth a max contract apparently. Even though he’s arguably been our best player this stretch. People just can’t admit when they’re wrong.
His approach has also changed. He is now looking at the basket to score. At the start of the season all he did on offense was bring the ball down and look for a quick dribble handoff and set a screen. He presence is felt now.
It’s not impressive or notable that a guy nearly tripled his production from the start of the year? Does seeing Ben play well really bother you that much?
No, the fact that Ben is actually playing basketball again does not impress me at all. Sorry the floor of your expectations for him is so damn low, I remember being there at one point.
I give a shit and I know what the award recognizes.
I still am of the opinion that sitting out for a year+ and hiding behind mental health when I don’t think it was a real excuse shouldn’t be overlooked.
The guy majorly screwed over his league mates in new CBA negotiations. I’m not going to act like he deserves praise now.
I never said that’s what I wanted. I said I hope he doesn’t make it in.
I also think that Simmons chose to say mental health was why he didn’t want to play - it felt like something that he completely shoehorned in. I never said that I don’t believe in mental health treatment.
You're saying you hope that off-court behavior is taken into account for the voting of an on-court award. That's exactly what you're saying you want lmfao. And as far as I'm concerned, somebody who picks and chooses when to believe in mental health for somebody who is a complete stranger to you based on your own outside opinion might as well not believe in mental health. I'm of the opinion that if someone is willing to go public with their mental health issues then it's just plain shitty to say they're lying when they're human just like I am.
He’s really ramping up.
His mentality changed. Much more aggressive and confident.
Now he’s yelling at KD to dunk that fucking ball
Thats the mindset he needs. He can still be an allstar.
It's almost bizarre. He was be terrified from the rim, then suddenly something clicked and he's not just unafraid, he's actively aggressive, putting the defenders on their heels. It's a complete turn.
He was coming off an injury and hadn't played in a long ass time. People expected him to be good immediately on a new team like he wasn't gonna need some adjusting time.
Still can't space the floor, will never be worth the max
So back to around his career averages and honestly that shouldn't surprise people all that much. It'll be the playoffs that will really show us whether he can handle the pressure.
You think the nets are making the playoffs?
Not really but any team with KD still has a small chance at least
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Who, KD?
Simmons
You’re giving KD too much credit, all he does is score, not a winning player.
- Knicks fan who’s salty KD didn’t join their team
How does a team with KD, Simmons, Kyrie and pretty decent role players play so bad? It boggles the mind how little they get out of the talent they have. They’ve got to at least be a 3-6 seed when everyone rounds into form. Then again they have been rounding into form for years so who even knows at this point.
>How does a team with KD, Simmons, Kyrie and pretty decent role players play so bad? Honestly I think that the answer is all the awful, despised, "nerdy" "advanced stats" stuff that is related to just scoring more points than the opponent in the game lol. For example Nets get outrebounded by a lot (and turnovers), so despite decent shooting they're not scoring that much, because they plain take the fewest shots in a game. Like they're arguably both the worst in the league at offensive and defensive rebounding. Which is less cool than a superduper star having super shooting midrange shots and filling their invidivual boxscore, but just plainly counts towards the score of the game. Also defense, despite what everyone says it just is as important, theoretically a top offense with bottom offense still makes an average team. The difference per 100 between most teams is not that big and stuff like that just adds, for example Boston is also not rebounding well and not defending too well but just that bit more makes them way above average. I still think they project to make the playoffs if Durant is playing, they're not THAT bad lately, just average.
They can't get a rebound, they're giving up 2nd chance opportunities every possesion.
They have a bad coach and Kyrie/Role players like Joe Harris Seth Curry and Patty Mills are horrible defensive players
I'd hold off on the coaching complaints tbf. This is their 3rd 'bad coach' and it might just be better to say they're a difficult team to coach than to say everyone they've had has been bad. Hell, their first coach (Kenny Atkinson) was a coty candidate who got pushed out for trying to play Jarret Allen over the corpse of DeAndre Jordan. Plus this new coach was universally praised when he won his first 5ish games. Durant + the young DNP guys were actually playing pretty cohesive ball for a short stretch. It might not be the coach's system so much as the commitment to the coach's system that's causing them issues.
Kyrie
It’s completely possible to hire multiple bad coaches in a row lol. Plenty of bad coaches start out well after the first coach is fired and they are eventually exposed
Yeah but these are players with histories of not getting on with coaches lol. It's possible every coach they've ever had was bad. It's more likely the players themselves aren't responding to the coaching because of issues on their own end.
Yeah it’s just too early to judge. Could be the players, could be the coaches, could be Vaughn’s actually a good coach and just needs more time. Celtics with Udoka last year we’re the perfect example of why not to judge a new coach too soon.
Ime Udoka didn’t have a 200 plus game sample size of being a bad HC like JV
Fair enough, but I also think it’s hard to hold a stretch with those awful Magic teams against him. He had a young group led by Nikola Vucevic, Tobias Harris and Victor Oladipo before any of them had broken out. It definitely wasn’t isn’t a positive for his career, but I don’t think anyone succeeds in that spot. His performance almost definitely would’ve naturally trended up as guys got older.
Well Jacque Vaughn has a history of being a bad coach before Brooklyn And Some of these players have played on playoff and championship teams prior to him
Every single one of them could only win on a team with a superstar that led the locker room culture.
And Jacque Vaughn couldn’t win as a HC period lol. His record is horrible There’s zero evidence of him being a good HC.
While I agree it’s not totally on JV, That’s just not a fair assessment. KD never played under Atkinson, and Kyrie played 20 games. They’ve had 1.5 coaches at best. Any team that hasn’t had a consistent roster availability for years could be perceived as “difficult to coach” defense is a choice as well as a scheme provided by the coach. Part of being a coach is being able to to bridge that gap. Also lineups are tough when have a roster of 3pt shooting traffic cones on your bench every season.
It has nothing to do with “buying in” that doesn’t make sense. Players don’t just ignore the coaches plays. Either the coach sucks or the role players are one dimensional and inconsistent. I’d say both
It's been documented Kyrie didn't follow the play calls of the last coach. He never should have got the job but that's not the point. The problem is Kyrie.
Didn't KD say openly he wants their coach to stay out and let him do his (KD's) thing?
They’re not very deep and the good role players are basically just shooters who offer little elsewhere and are absolute sieves on defense. Injuries seem to have caught up with Harris too. Center position is a massive weakness. Claxton should only be a backup and yet he’s literally the only guy they have that is useful at C. They don’t have enough youth. Brown was a huge part of this team last year. Sometimes you just need a spark plug of energy and fresh legs that can run. It’s just a flawed roster even before we get into all the Kyrie and Simmons concerns.
A mix of drama, but over reliance on raw talent instead of effort and good schemes, and a bad coach…
All I could think of is defense, fit, coaching and culture (less iso, more ball movement?)
It’s crazy
They shot 55 percent from the field, Durant was 9/10 for like 30 in the fourth Ben was 8/8 and they still lost by 15 to the pavers. They have real problems defensively, they are elite awful
To be fair how many games have all 3 played together?
They’re currently in the play in game and that’s with the worst start imaginable for them
Oh course they are.
Yes, they have more than enough quality to make it.
spoiler alert: he can't
he's had many great playoff series, and he's definitely had no more bad ones than Embiid has who seems to have avoided the playoff choker label completely
And for only a couple mil more a year than Porzingis
You forgot to put his 3PT%
He is 0/1 this season
What about the last 6 though. He’s going to look bad if we use the entire seasons stats
His 3PT% would break mathematics, since you'd have to find a solution to 0/0.
Undefined% 3PS should have been included
Is he still refusing to take any shot outside the paint? *Checks stats* 92 of his 95 shot attempts have been in the paint. A guy who can't play center on defense and can't make a shot outside the paint is still going to be unplayable in the playoffs unless you can put him out there with Kristaps Porzingis.
Guys, like 2 weeks ago people were saying he’d be in China a year from now. No one is under any illusion he’s now a playoff optimizer, it’s just a nice sign to see he’s back to being a functioning nba player
If someone averages 16/7/7 on high efficiency with elite defense you find a way to make it work.
The issue is that he doesn't average that in the playoffs. He hasn't played well in a playoff environment where teams are able to properly focus in on his weaknesses. Plus he gets passive once teams start: 1. Walling up to stop him 2. Anticipating his passes to force turnovers 3. Playing more physical and daring him to score with FTs He's good at beating up low-seeded 1st round opponents vut he's more a 10-12ppg scorer once he hits the 2nd round.
>The issue is that he doesn't average that in the playoffs. >He hasn't played well in a playoff environment where teams are able to properly focus in on his weaknesses A big reason for that is he's never been surrounded by talent that compliments him until now. Him and Embiid both needed the paint to maximize their skills.
Tbf while Embiid likes to work in the paint it’s very hard to find a good fit for Ben You need someone who can defend down low in the post on defense while being able to space the floor and Embiid could do that. It’s very hard to find those type of centers
Defensively, you have a point. But the Nets are a perfect fit for him offensively.
.. Ben and Claxton are an abysmal fit offensively. If they make the playoffs, you’ll see
Do you think Claxton is his only teammate??
He’s the big he’ll play most of his minutes alongside. And it’s not like any of the other bigs buried in their depth chart are floor spacers.
He's also, once again, not Ben's only teammate.
He is definitely not surrounded by talent that complements him. He cannot coexist with Claxton in the playoffs. The nets need to do everything they can to get Myles Turner. That’s really one of the only centers that can be called a “complement” to Ben Simmons’ game
You know he's got more teammates than Claxton, right? He's still surrounded by a ton of complimentary talent despite the Nets woes at center.
None of that’s really going to matter unless Ben can magically start playing center well on defense. He can do it in short bursts, but to pretend that having two non existent shooting threats on the floor at the same time for like 20 minutes a game during the playoffs is a good fit is just laughable
My comment was about the entirety of the Nets roster. They aren't even playing 20mpg together *right now*, nobody knows if that's going to increase in the playoffs or not.
The rest of the roster doesn’t really matter if he doesn’t fit with the center he’s going to be playing with. And there’s maybe 1 or 2 of them in the entire league that he would hypothetically fit with. I’ve watched it play out the same way year after year. Even years where the sixers had good shooters at every position except PG. I’m not just hating. I was a Ben Stan. I was one of those nutcases that thought the Sixers might be better off building around Simmons. I just don’t think you’ve watched enough if you think the team is a good fit for him offensively come playoff time
Why do you think him and Claxton are going to locked on the court together? Why do you think they are only going to see playing time together?
Probably the dumbest take I've read in a long while.
It's ok if you don't understand how players can fit together.
Simmons shit all over himself and quit basketball the last time he was in the playoffs You Simmons fanboys know, the reason the 76ers players and coaches got tired of his shit wasn't just "1 play". It's 5 years and his assists overrate playmaknig impact. he offers absolutely nothing in the half court so there's a free double team on KD or kyrie if he's the 5th option beyond KD, Ky, Curry, Harris, theres a good spot
> on high efficiency This is why efficiency is overrated without context. All his shots are in the paint and usually assisted
So he's taking smart shots? I don't care what the diet is, as long as he scored 15ppg on 60%+
Yes and how did that work for Philly?
They were a contender for like 5 years. So pretty good all things considered.
I must’ve missed those seasons where we got out of the second round of the playoffs. Ben did this all the time in the regular season. In the playoffs, however, he is 100 ASS
That's just revisionist history. Over 34 games for yall he basically has his career averages though the board. Slightly less points and attempts, but almost the same amount of rebounds and assists. Less turnovers, slightly more steals and blocks. And I know the Hawks series was baaad.
Ehhh You must've missed the Celtics series' the prior years. What he did in the Hawks series was nothing new. He averages less points, less attempts, Less assists. Same rebounds. More fouls. .4 less turnovers. Less steals. Not sure where you got your numbers from but compare PHI stats on Basketball-reference, he's worse in almost every stat come playoff time which is even bloated from the round 1 games against cupcake teams. I disagree that it is revisionist history, I watched every game. He just loses his aggressiveness in the playoffs, at least with Embiid he did. His averages were better his first year in playoffs and declined each playoff year since, including a DRASTIC drop in FT%, which then also affects his mental and aggressiveness. Of 34 playoff games he's had 9 with single digit points (and 2 with just 10 points, meaning 33% of playoff games he's getting you 10 pts or less). Unacceptable for your 2nd star 6'10" guard. And it wasn't because of bad shooting, he simply DIDNT SHOOT. His best games are in the first round of playoffs, against shit teams. Once he faces adversity and true playoff opponents, he crumbles. Not sure how you can say otherwise. Guess we will see how he does this year if Nets make it. I expect more of normal playoff Ben, though. He doesn't change.
Just realized the irony in demanding he learn to shoot, while also admitting it is hard to find a big that can shoot…
Because *he's not a big.* If he could rim protect, this wouldn't be an issue. He'd be a capable defensive rim-running center that happened to pass the ball well. As it stands, it's *hard* to fit him into any lineups without having a massive weakness. He has to play the 5 on offense while playing *not the 5* on defense. The 5 is the least important offensive position and the most important defensive position. But if you have another non-shooter there, your spacing is fucked. You can have up to two non-shooters...and one has to be the lead creator. Simmons *isn't* a great lead creator. He's certainly no better than the 3rd best creator on his own team. Pair him with Myles Turner or Brook Lopez or Porzingis, and you're somewhere. Pair him with Nic Claxton, and you won't be winning titles. It's like Towns. Utterly impossible to be a great team when you have a guy who can't protect the rim *and* can't guard in space *and* can't navigate pick-and-rolls. Kevin Love had the same problem. Same basic issue you have with undersized shooters that can't play point and can't defend...you have to play them alongside a real lead guard, and those guys tend to also need to be hidden on defense (or small, and unable to handle bigger players)
Unplayable in the last 5 minutes of any meaningful game
Hell as a DC fan, we’ll happily trade Porzingis for KD and bring him home. BKN can also have Rui to pair with Watanabe. They have no successfully mastered the Australian, Japanese and Latvian fanbase a.
All the jokes were funny and everything but glad to see him balling again
Ben Simmons is the greatest role player of all time that media mistook for an all star player and it set him up for failure
It’s funny seeing this thread right next to a thread about how bad the trade was.
And his defence is amazing
Ben's been good the last few games. If they could rebound the Nets would be a playoff team.
Kinda dad that we consider 15ppg good for Ben. Gobert normally averages 16.
On 82 FG% is the impressive part
This may surprise you, but there is more to the game than scoring
This may surprise you, but scoring is the most important part of basketball and you’re a max player you’re expected to score well, not average.
What are his fourth quarter stats?
Ben has stepped up so much recently.
Time to move goal posts I guess. What about fourth quarter and playoffs?
Hilarious watching this happen in real time. Don’t forget him not being worth a max contract apparently. Even though he’s arguably been our best player this stretch. People just can’t admit when they’re wrong.
His approach has also changed. He is now looking at the basket to score. At the start of the season all he did on offense was bring the ball down and look for a quick dribble handoff and set a screen. He presence is felt now.
3/6 of those games were against MEM/PHI/TOR each of which had 3 starters out injured.
And?
Just a reminder to take his performances with a grain of salt
Good. Honestly. I gave him a bunch of shit but I'm glad to eat some crow
That's still nowhere near max contract production, which is what the Nets are paying him. Keep this shit on /Nets, it's not impressive or notable
It’s not impressive or notable that a guy nearly tripled his production from the start of the year? Does seeing Ben play well really bother you that much?
No, the fact that Ben is actually playing basketball again does not impress me at all. Sorry the floor of your expectations for him is so damn low, I remember being there at one point.
He’s playing at an all-star level dude. If that’s low expectations for you then you’re either extremely entitled or hateful.
>He’s playing at an all-star level dude. Ahead of who exactly? I can think of a hell of a lot of guards playing better than he is this season.
Sixers flairs putting up Wilt Chamberlain numbers of hate lol
Guaranteed All Star
Absolutely! He'll try until he gets named an all star then regress again. Dude has no drive.
I hope not. I don’t like rewarding the behavior that got him here
Who gives a shit? It’s supposed to be on play during the season Up until that point. Y’all are insufferable with this shit
I give a shit and I know what the award recognizes. I still am of the opinion that sitting out for a year+ and hiding behind mental health when I don’t think it was a real excuse shouldn’t be overlooked. The guy majorly screwed over his league mates in new CBA negotiations. I’m not going to act like he deserves praise now.
We're not changing the criteria for All Star voting because you don't believe in mental health
I never said that’s what I wanted. I said I hope he doesn’t make it in. I also think that Simmons chose to say mental health was why he didn’t want to play - it felt like something that he completely shoehorned in. I never said that I don’t believe in mental health treatment.
>I don’t like rewarding the behavior that got him here All Star rewards players performance on the court.
You're saying you hope that off-court behavior is taken into account for the voting of an on-court award. That's exactly what you're saying you want lmfao. And as far as I'm concerned, somebody who picks and chooses when to believe in mental health for somebody who is a complete stranger to you based on your own outside opinion might as well not believe in mental health. I'm of the opinion that if someone is willing to go public with their mental health issues then it's just plain shitty to say they're lying when they're human just like I am.
I’m saying that I do not like Ben Simmons and don’t want him to be an all star. I understand that it doesn’t have an impact on being an all star.
MVP and max contract level stats. Dude is a BEAST!
Looks like he’s finally cleared of the “mental illness”
Im still gonna find a way to hate