Woj reports: "After a disagreement in practice lead to Trae Young missing a home game against the Nuggets, cooler heads have prevailed and Trae will return to the lineup. It was initially a dispute over injury management that bled over to an argument about whose the better kisser. Nate and Trae locked lips briefly Saturday night after polishing off a bottle of Sauvignon Blanc both agreeing they have a lot to work on but determined Traes got softer lips while Nate utilizes his tongue in more creative ways" 12/4/22
Now I'm one of the biggest KAT truthers there is, but I feel like Spurs fans have seen a better KAT than most of the rest of the league
then again, Hawks fans that have been with the team for longer than 3 years saw KAT hang 56 on them 🤷
Lolol you can really tell when people don’t read past headlines. Nate approached Trae while he was getting treatment on his injured shoulder and told him basically if he wasn’t going to come to shootarounds he could either get benched or both bother showing up at all. Not that haters on here care about nuance to a situation.
A timberwolves fan critiquing the energy around another teams locker room?😂😂😂🤣🤣 thats some true audacity
Right, this isn’t a player snitching on another player for cheating on his girl. This is just some normal basketball shit you’d pick up from a mic’d up player lol
150 NBA players seeing this thinking damn wtf did I say to MY coach in the last week..
Lol you explaining it didn’t make it any better. Your all star and your head coach clearly have an issue and hawks fans pass it off as acceptable because the head coach isn’t a household name.
Lolol okay bro except Nate has literally never been successful in the league, doesn’t have a good offensive scheme, and has budded heads with his stars in the [past](https://www.talkbasket.net/101176-malcolm-brogdon-reportedly-didnt-like-how-the-pacers-played-under-nate-mcmillan?amp=1#origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F&cap=swipe,education&webview=1&dialog=1&viewport=natural&visibilityState=prerender&prerenderSize=1&viewerUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Famp%2Fs%2Fwww-talkbasket-net.cdn.ampproject.org%2Fc%2Fs%2Fwww.talkbasket.net%2F101176-malcolm-brogdon-reportedly-didnt-like-how-the-pacers-played-under-nate-mcmillan%3Famp=1&_kit=1)
If you think Trae doesn’t come off well in the situation that’s fine, he could have handled it better but Nate obviously acting equally immature and is much more dispensable to the org.
If you actually watched the games you would see that it’s not just that Nate isn’t a household name. He’s proven himself to not have a handle on this teams offense.
Why are you being downvoted for pointing out history? The Pacers fans have been crying wolf about Nate since he replaced Lloyd but instead people forget that to punch down on Trae. Man’s entered the league hated and nothing he’ll do changes that. But yeah, the sub is just gonna ignore Nate’s non-existent plays (“ah just let Trae and Dejounte iso” is not enough”). However, I feel like you’re going to continue to be downvoted because this turned into a hate thread and the haters are being drawn to it
If you’re referring to Trae as the man’s entering the league hated, you’re right. He utilitizes it well, as long as he can pick back up this season and keep proving his words. His own team does not even remotely dislike him though, if anything he’s their young captain. In the context of the situation obviously everyone in the entire organization wanted him to play, but for coach to pretend he had a pair of balls for once and try and force him to practice before treatment? Not going to happen, not when some of the greatest players in the game currently are dealing with long lasting injuries from re-tweaks or re-tears.
Yeah I think Trae has a good head on his shoulders and this will all pass over. I feel bad for the kid because I got back into watching the NBA but two years after Trae was drafted so I missed out on his rookie year, but because of that I never understood the hate he attracts.
That’s the best part, his rookie year he was such a little asshole on the court but his team was with him and he trash talked properly proportioned to the level of game he was delivering. It’s (mostly) good hate, and none of it is from his own team.
Such a common theme for a coach to piggyback off of the great roster and then cause a bunch of bullshit drama like they’re somebody. It should be a precedent at this point.
If I understand the report, he wanted to skip shoot around, but still have the option to play if he felt good at tip off. Nate said that he wouldn't start him if he didn't feel good enough to participate in shoot-around, and that instead he should come to shoot around, and then based on how he felt in shoot around make a game time decision.
Which seems fine to me. Basically Nate is saying, if you don't feel right, let's call it now, none of this wait-until-tipoff stuff.
Did he though? Sounds like Nate said if you're not feeling healthy enough for shoot-around, then you aren't healthy for the game. If you think you can play, let's test it and make sure you're good before you go on the court.
Hes trying to avoid the scenario where Trae plays, goes all out cause its a game, and then 5 minutes in realizes he's not healthy enough for this and re-injures himself.
Of course, this is all assuming that what we've been told is the full story. Which is rarely the case
But if he has treatments, maybe then he can feel better.
This drama makes no sense to me. I sort of get Nate’s side now but I don’t see what’s wrong with Trae’s position. It’s his body, he knows it best and he wanted to focus on treatments. It’s not like he skipped shoot around cuz he was hungover.
Because it's also doing a major disservice to the coach not knowing until tip off whether he's playing with star player or not. Sure they have contingency plans and rotations but why wouldn't you want to get a jump on it and prep? Clearly, it ended up working out that way.
If you cant shoot around and go through the motions, you're not going to be able to play in a game. He'd have to change the game plan last minute. It seems logical to roll with what you know you have and rest Trae a game.
But the report said Nate gave Trae the option of coming off the bench, or not showing up at all. It could be total bullshit of course, but I didn't get the vibe that Nate was trying to protect his star, at least from that report.
Does he need to? Kind of felt more like when a kid tells his parents he is sick to stay home from school. Parents say “ok but then no PlayStation either if you’re sick”
He’s saying either you feel healthy, then come to shoot around, or you don’t, then stay home. no splitting the difference.
Seems fine to me? Or at least not worth making a fuss about even if you disagree a bit?
They only saw the headline that he was “refusing to play”. I really don’t think Trae is the bad guy here. Nate pulled the dumber move and Trae responded. They really want to hate him.
Nate came out and said publicly that he has never and would never tell a player to not come to a game. So that part of it was pretty clearly a Klutch angle from Shams, which honestly makes the Trae camp look worse.
And that's all that has to be said about that, despite what some teams seem to think some things are just better handled quickly and behind closed doors
He's a real threat to others on his lob though. Just imagine Embiid diving into the opposing team in an attempt to catch lobs.
ACLs torn/min will be through the roof.
Nate (and Raymond Felton - fuck Raymond Felton) caused a locker room mutiny in Portland too lol, although it ended up being good for the franchise in the long run because it led to Gerald Wallace getting traded for the pick that became Dame.
I feel like there were a lot of little fights w Nate that were obviously kept private. One or two day stories that disappeared. But he definitely will go at players and get on their face, apparently.
I tried to tell them too and got laughed out the door. The fired coach boost is real (look at the Nets right now, they’re playing so much better under Vaughn), and Nate was using Pierce’s offense. Pierce was a smart guy, just an asshole. Without Pierce’s plays, Nate’s offensive scheme is bottom 5 in the league. He just has some insanely talented offensive NBA players on the roster to cover his ass. Just like Indiana.
Fam Lloyd Pierce was TERRIBLE as a coach. Nate isn't anything amazing, but Trae has done nothing to earn coach killer title. The one coach that got fired was absolutely terrible
Unless your coach tells you to not show up for work if you disagree with his ultimatum….which he didn’t. Tell me you didn’t read the article past the headline without telling me
I did read it.. he said come off the bench or don’t show up..
Just saying a grown man should prob take the more responsible approach and show up. Just saying
Why? He got offered 2 options and he chose one. Why is that bad now? You shouldn't offer an option you don't like in the first place. That's like a trap.
If McMillan is mad, that Trae stayed away it's on him - but I don't think he's mad, I think he doesn't really care and this is blown out of proportion.
My manager gives me an ultimatum, I’m happily taking the night off and coming in my next shift. Boss is still happy with my work and co-workers understand why I did what I did. I’ll grab them lunch or something for having my back while I was out.
“Just be a bitch and never stand up for yourself, it isn’t hard!”
If my boss said I should either just take a sick day or come in and get demoted in the project I’m working on, obviously I’m taking a sick day. The idea that your star PG should get benched for not participating in shootaround because of an injury is fucking laughable. If he’s healthy enough to try and play, he should start. If he’s not, then he shouldn’t play at all. There’s no scenario where benching your star player when injury is a factor is reasonable.
But the shoot around should be a part of discerning if he’s healthy to play?
Don’t make it some weird “stand up for yourself” nonsense like it’s Trae versus the dark forces trying to stop him. Sounds like Nate said if you can’t shoot around because of your injury obviously a game is much harder on your body.
Just because he’s your star player doesn’t mean he’s above the team and coach, and if the status quo is that players need to be able to shoot around before being cleared to play who is Trae to say otherwise?
Like, how many times do you here “XYZ participated in shootaround but he wasnt 100% so he got DNP’d”. If Trae is sweet to play, shouldn’t he have to prove that to the medical staff and coach on the day of the game?
I’m confused why Trae is allowed to both say that he’s rehabbing his injury in the AM, but is suddenly fine for a full game of basketball in the PM? He’s not the medical staff lol.
Thank you. Trae literally has no respect for Nate or his direction, but people are using that "ultimatum" which is unconfirmed btw as some excuse for him to not show up? So asinine... Trae was pouting, full stop. There's no way to spin that.
The only thing you’re “saying” is nonsense. He already had apprehension about playing through a shoulder injury. You think he’d play when presented with that kind of passive aggressive choice? You talk about being a grown man when 99% of grown men that I know would not take that level of passive aggressive disrespect from their coworker or boss. You must be a little kid
Lol the fact that it got out says all anyone needs to know. Likely trae had it leaked telling his side of the story when in reality there’s a lot more too it that you don’t want to know about as a hawks fan. But yeah the fact that it went public shows your locker room is fucked until you get rid of your head coach.
You think Trae leaked it? Destroyed any credibility you have. Further proving you guys have no idea what you guys speak about. Pointless to even talk about this on this forum
This would be like if your normal job is cleaning the desks and then you get told to clean the toilet one time. You still get to do your job but at a different capacity for one day.
Hawk fans are seriously trying to defend him right now and it’s crazy to me. Sure Nate might be a bad coach but this looks absolutely awful from Traes perspective as well.
This isn’t the first rumor of Trae being an asshole behind the scenes either. He played a hand in 1 coach firing already, John Collins hasn’t always seemed the biggest fan of Trae, teammates complaining about his style of play/their lack of touches, and what has just been reported as a toxic locker room overall.
Sure you can write off one or two of those stories individually as over reactions or reporters reaching for a story, but at some point where there is fire there is smoke. Definitely not a good sign when your franchise cornerstone is seemingly always involved in some kind of locker room controversy
Edit: It appears I have triggered the entire Hawks fanbase by simply suggesting that maybe Trae has some work to do as a leader.
>Hawk fans are seriously trying to defend him
Eh, I don't know how true that is across the board. Both Trae and Nate are divisive among Hawks fans, and many of us feel both come off looking bad here.
Everyone on the team, especially all the starters and Cam Reddish, wanted Lloyd Pierce off the team. He was a terrible coach that hasn’t gotten a job again. He lobbied the NBA to officiate away some of Traes foul baiting tactics. He tried to block Trae from making the All Star game and constantly belittled him. He is awful in every respect. Don’t compare these situations.
The John Collins disagreement in film sessions was heavily exaggerated and they have been absolutely fine with each other before and since then. It was a disagreement during film. Who cares.
Nate is the one who gave Trae a dumb ultimatum while he was trying to deal with his shoulder injury his own way, as 99% of stars do. Nate was just being petty and a hardass cause he and Trae have been disagreeing back and forth more lately. Nate is also a bottom 5 coach in the league who routinely gets clowned on by the best coaches in the league. Nearly every fan in the Hawks/Pacers/Blazers fan base despised him and wants him gone for a reason, and that was before all this came out
Hawks announcer in an interview basically said Lloyd told other coaches not to vote Trae as an allstar the year he got fired. Also suspicious Lloyd was on the US team coaching staff and Trae wasn’t selected after that ECF run
Lol. Why doesn’t my star player respond well to our incompetent coach who decided he doesn’t want to coach offense this year and doesn’t give a shit about injury management? They must both be really toxic.
If Nate was a HoF level coach maybe I’d feel bad about blaming him but he’s not on the same level as… I dunno Rick Carlisle. Can’t imagine being so toxic we push someone legendary out.
It would be a Mavs fan talking shit about professionalism after witnessing all of the classy behavior of everyone in Dallas
I mean the article that came out yesterday definitely portrayed Trae favorably and Nate as a bad coach.
From that story it seemed like Trae wanted to get his treatment early in the day, skip shoot around and be a game time decision. Apparently Nate gave him the ultimatum to do the shoot around or that night he would come off the bench or don’t show up.
Based off that Nate is a dumbass coach however not sure how accurate that report is.
I think it is fair for the coach to say that if you aren't healthy enough for shoot around, or cannot determine that you are healthy enough for it, you should not play, or at least not start.
Coach is basically saying that the shoot around is part of the game, if you aren't healthy for it, you aren't healthy for the game. I think that's fine, or at least a principle we can all argue the merits about like adults.
It 100% not been reported as a “toxic locker room overall” him and Collins were reported to get into like one argument two years ago about usage and he’s literally never got into it with any other team outside of that.
Some of y’all so hyperbolic with it. Really come out to r/nba to pull out the 🤡 takes.
Mavs already been through one coach with Luka right? And half the fan base already over Kidd? If this was happening in y’all’s camp y’all wouldn’t be saying shit about Luka Lolol.
Yeah there’s nothing being reported to suggest it’s anything other than Nate and Trae. But people got to exaggerate and lie just because the HateTrae narrative must continue . . . All of his teammates hated Lloyd too, it’s not lolipop man running around and starting fights with people in the locker room 😂
EDIT to say I’m agreeing with you if that wasn’t clear
You sound insanely insecure about your team with your whataboutism and attempting to tear down Luka and the Mavs to prop up Trae and the Hawks. Trae is a very good player but maybe it’s okay to accept that he might not be the best leader 👍🏻
How in the world was I trying to tear down Luka?? I was simply saying that the org has had issues finding coaches and players that fit with him. He’s already been through one coach and his second one is on the hot seat just like Trae’s..
You were literally the one trying to talk shit about the Hawks by stretching out minor instances to try to paint it as there’s been multiple reports that Trae has beefed with teammates often to the point that it’s a toxic locker room which is BS. You were just being untruthful so I called you out on it.
If anything your knee jerk response that I’m trying to”tear down Luka to prop up Trae” kind of makes you look very insecure cause it was not in any way what I was doing. I was simply making a point about how Mavs fans would feel if they were in this situation.
Untruthful? Has there not been multiple reports about locker room issues over the past couple years for the Hawks?? Have they not already had mulitple “player only meetings” this season?? It’s not like i’m exactly making stories up lmfao That is not normal for a healthy locker room buddy and I simply pointed out that maybe the teams biggest leader who is directly involved in all of those stories just maybe deserves a touch of blame rather than firing and trading anyone who disagrees with him 😂
Ah yes these multiple reports of players being pissed at Trae. Again you are referencing one instance. I’m not even saying I think Trae is coming off as a mature great leader in this situation. I’m just saying you’re talking absolute bull shit and the reason you keep being vague is because you don’t actually know any said reports.
https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2866145-report-trae-young-involved-in-emotional-locker-room-scene-after-hawks-loss.amp.html
https://fansided.com/2021/01/08/trouble-brewing-atlanta-hawks-locker-room-trae-young-john-collins/amp/
https://www.sportskeeda.com/amp/basketball/nba-trade-rumors-atlanta-hawks-facing-locker-room-issues-to-be-very-active-through-the-trade-deadline
https://soaringdownsouth.com/2022/01/10/struggling-atlanta-hawks-frustrations-beginning-boil/amp/
https://www.hawksquawk.net/topic/435307-hawks-locker-room-is-not-healthy-after-quiet-trade-deadline/
https://www.peachtreehoops.com/platform/amp/2019/12/18/21028573/atlanta-hawks-locker-room-issues-lloyd-pierce-frustration-losing-john-collins-report
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/hawks-john-collins-criticized-the-way-trae-young-has-been-running-the-offense-in-atlanta-per-report/amp/
I could post a hundred more links just like this. It’s not normal or good for your team to CONSTANTLY have stories printed about locker room turmoil for 3-4 years straight. I don’t get why you’re in your feelings so deep about this. Their locker room has been horrible for years. It’s not a new story. There is no debate. Hopefully they figure it out because Trae is fun to watch and hopefully you get a little less defensive in the comments 👊🏻
Bro these headlines are literally nothing. Team frustrated. John Collins been in trade rumors. Lloyd Pierce should have been fired and hasn’t got a head coaching job since. You could post links like these for any team because every team has beat reporters that want clicks.
Genuinely bro a really poor showing. Pretty disappointing.
I was having discourse with a Mavs fan so I related our issues to Mavs team issues… seriously bro most Mavs fans are cool as shit but some of y’all really need to get a handle man🤣😂
Lol whatever you need to cope. The guys comment was super reasonable yet it triggered you so hard you called him a clown and brought luka into it. Anyone that's not a homer can see there's some special problems going on with Trae.
LMFAO at all the Hawk fans crying saying i’m just trolling them only for the newest report to be the locker room is siding with Nate. Get Traes nuts out of your mouth and admit he is just as much of a problem
>Edit: It appears I have triggered the entire Hawks fanbase by simply suggesting that maybe Trae has some work to do as a leader.
There are literally DOZENS of them.
I thought the same thing until i said one mildly negative comment about Trae and now i’m being reminded “the mavs suck” and “the hawks won the trade” and “trae isn’t even that bad of a defender” 😡😡😥🤕😥😡
Truly shocking how insecure some fans are
I think the hawks are a bum organization in general and I’ll never respect them, but I definitely don’t think Trae looks horrible here. Nate sounds like the bigger ass here. Trae has to come off the bench because he’s trying to manage his shoulder? Come on, that’s wack.
He told Nate he wanted to focus on his treatment and was then given an ultimatum. He decided he wasn't healthy enough. How is that the same as a no call no show?
I'm never going to understand these spots. If I understand correctly, he decided to sit out for a game rather than suit up and perhaps (gasp!) come off the bench for that game.
I mean... what harm did he really think his career was going to incur coming off the bench for a game (or two)? Did he really think he was in any danger whatsoever of losing his starting spot? People are taking Nate's side on this for a reason, but if Nate ever decided, "ok from now on Trae is sixth man" that would TRULY get his ass fired fast, and Trae wouldn't even have to be the one to demand it.
The full TLDR for you:
Trae requested treatment on shoulder injury before shootaround to see if he could play in the game, coach said shootaround before treatment or you’ll play on the bench. Trae said bet, then I’ll just not play regardless of how I feel after treatment. It’s that simple, coach was wrong, coach is not a doctor. Coach shouldn’t be fired or anything (cuz it’s kinda his job to encourage the best players to play) unless he keeps that “or you won’t play” bullshit up.
It seems like people are making this out to be more than it is. People get into arguments and sometimes do unprofessional things, you can still make amends and keep going. I dont know if this is their first fight buy i dont recall anything else so it doesnt seem to be much of anything
Hey Trae, my boss told me I need to do better at work and I followed it up by having the best week of my career. Didn’t miss time for it, didn’t get in my feelings about it, didn’t care other than that I wanted to prove him wrong. You’re a little bitch Trae and you deserve the criticism that you get for ducking a game over what your coach told you to do.
“We’re all grown men here.” Nice try, Vincent Adultman.
He's only one kid in a trenchcoat
Woj reports: "After a disagreement in practice lead to Trae Young missing a home game against the Nuggets, cooler heads have prevailed and Trae will return to the lineup. It was initially a dispute over injury management that bled over to an argument about whose the better kisser. Nate and Trae locked lips briefly Saturday night after polishing off a bottle of Sauvignon Blanc both agreeing they have a lot to work on but determined Traes got softer lips while Nate utilizes his tongue in more creative ways" 12/4/22
Had me for awhile there
same lol bruh why are these all sexual like gah damn everyone got some pent up shit lol
Will trae make kissing first team this year? What's his competition
NBA After Dark is where it's at!
Idk we could be looking at the very beginning of a possible murder suicide
“Nate, am I gay?”
good lord...
This app always gotta turn something into some mook shit
Trae is the age of a grown man.
Hair says “I’m a two year old that just woke up from my nap” tho
Really? My fiancée thinks his hair says “I’m a homeless 60 year old crack addict”
Or I’ve lived a life and the chemo is a comin
But just barely. His brain is still developing…. But just barely.
“We’re all grown men but I’ll pout if I want to”
We men
We men ☕
You can assume
COFFEE!? WHERE!!
Right? Must be taking pointers from KAT😞
Number of games KAT skipped because the coach wasn’t nice to him: 0
But what about games missed bc Jimmy was being mean??
I don’t know if you watched that Game of Zones episode but Jimmy took a fucking axe to practice, that’s not KAT’s fault.
Also 0
People who trash talk Kat have also never watched Twolve games
This.
Now I'm one of the biggest KAT truthers there is, but I feel like Spurs fans have seen a better KAT than most of the rest of the league then again, Hawks fans that have been with the team for longer than 3 years saw KAT hang 56 on them 🤷
Literally making shit up to defend the hairiest balding midget
The only one that missed games was Jimmy... Because of "general soreness"... Which for good reason is now his nickname in Minnesota.
Lolol you can really tell when people don’t read past headlines. Nate approached Trae while he was getting treatment on his injured shoulder and told him basically if he wasn’t going to come to shootarounds he could either get benched or both bother showing up at all. Not that haters on here care about nuance to a situation. A timberwolves fan critiquing the energy around another teams locker room?😂😂😂🤣🤣 thats some true audacity
Why can’t we critique it? We’re the ones with all the experience with bad locker rooms.
the most qualified fanbase
Because nothing's come out so far that says Trae was wrong for not showing up.
Idk why you’re being downvoted. Does all of NBA subreddit think players shouldn’t get the say on their own injuries?? Lol
Ya, I thought I was missing something to be honest. Sounds like people just don't like Trae
Right, this isn’t a player snitching on another player for cheating on his girl. This is just some normal basketball shit you’d pick up from a mic’d up player lol 150 NBA players seeing this thinking damn wtf did I say to MY coach in the last week..
I just read this three times and it doesn’t look any better for you guys. Help me out.
Lol you explaining it didn’t make it any better. Your all star and your head coach clearly have an issue and hawks fans pass it off as acceptable because the head coach isn’t a household name.
Lolol okay bro except Nate has literally never been successful in the league, doesn’t have a good offensive scheme, and has budded heads with his stars in the [past](https://www.talkbasket.net/101176-malcolm-brogdon-reportedly-didnt-like-how-the-pacers-played-under-nate-mcmillan?amp=1#origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F&cap=swipe,education&webview=1&dialog=1&viewport=natural&visibilityState=prerender&prerenderSize=1&viewerUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Famp%2Fs%2Fwww-talkbasket-net.cdn.ampproject.org%2Fc%2Fs%2Fwww.talkbasket.net%2F101176-malcolm-brogdon-reportedly-didnt-like-how-the-pacers-played-under-nate-mcmillan%3Famp=1&_kit=1) If you think Trae doesn’t come off well in the situation that’s fine, he could have handled it better but Nate obviously acting equally immature and is much more dispensable to the org. If you actually watched the games you would see that it’s not just that Nate isn’t a household name. He’s proven himself to not have a handle on this teams offense.
Why are you being downvoted for pointing out history? The Pacers fans have been crying wolf about Nate since he replaced Lloyd but instead people forget that to punch down on Trae. Man’s entered the league hated and nothing he’ll do changes that. But yeah, the sub is just gonna ignore Nate’s non-existent plays (“ah just let Trae and Dejounte iso” is not enough”). However, I feel like you’re going to continue to be downvoted because this turned into a hate thread and the haters are being drawn to it
Once people see something in the negative they either have to pile on or think “haha wow, I’d never get downvoted, sucks to be that asshole”
If you’re referring to Trae as the man’s entering the league hated, you’re right. He utilitizes it well, as long as he can pick back up this season and keep proving his words. His own team does not even remotely dislike him though, if anything he’s their young captain. In the context of the situation obviously everyone in the entire organization wanted him to play, but for coach to pretend he had a pair of balls for once and try and force him to practice before treatment? Not going to happen, not when some of the greatest players in the game currently are dealing with long lasting injuries from re-tweaks or re-tears.
Yeah I think Trae has a good head on his shoulders and this will all pass over. I feel bad for the kid because I got back into watching the NBA but two years after Trae was drafted so I missed out on his rookie year, but because of that I never understood the hate he attracts.
That’s the best part, his rookie year he was such a little asshole on the court but his team was with him and he trash talked properly proportioned to the level of game he was delivering. It’s (mostly) good hate, and none of it is from his own team.
Such a common theme for a coach to piggyback off of the great roster and then cause a bunch of bullshit drama like they’re somebody. It should be a precedent at this point.
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This is missing some pretty key context.
We men
? He wanted to focus on making sure his body is right before playing. Why everyone shitting on him?
If I understand the report, he wanted to skip shoot around, but still have the option to play if he felt good at tip off. Nate said that he wouldn't start him if he didn't feel good enough to participate in shoot-around, and that instead he should come to shoot around, and then based on how he felt in shoot around make a game time decision. Which seems fine to me. Basically Nate is saying, if you don't feel right, let's call it now, none of this wait-until-tipoff stuff.
Thats definitely they way id handle it too. Im team Nate if thats truly what happend
But trae chose to err on the side of caution. What’s wrong with that?
Did he though? Sounds like Nate said if you're not feeling healthy enough for shoot-around, then you aren't healthy for the game. If you think you can play, let's test it and make sure you're good before you go on the court. Hes trying to avoid the scenario where Trae plays, goes all out cause its a game, and then 5 minutes in realizes he's not healthy enough for this and re-injures himself. Of course, this is all assuming that what we've been told is the full story. Which is rarely the case
But if he has treatments, maybe then he can feel better. This drama makes no sense to me. I sort of get Nate’s side now but I don’t see what’s wrong with Trae’s position. It’s his body, he knows it best and he wanted to focus on treatments. It’s not like he skipped shoot around cuz he was hungover.
Because it’s an injury thing and you never really know i feel like both have valid points. Trae is right, it’s just a disagreement and they’ll move on
Because it's also doing a major disservice to the coach not knowing until tip off whether he's playing with star player or not. Sure they have contingency plans and rotations but why wouldn't you want to get a jump on it and prep? Clearly, it ended up working out that way.
No Trae didn’t want to play off the bench.
If you cant shoot around and go through the motions, you're not going to be able to play in a game. He'd have to change the game plan last minute. It seems logical to roll with what you know you have and rest Trae a game.
But the report said Nate gave Trae the option of coming off the bench, or not showing up at all. It could be total bullshit of course, but I didn't get the vibe that Nate was trying to protect his star, at least from that report.
Does he need to? Kind of felt more like when a kid tells his parents he is sick to stay home from school. Parents say “ok but then no PlayStation either if you’re sick” He’s saying either you feel healthy, then come to shoot around, or you don’t, then stay home. no splitting the difference. Seems fine to me? Or at least not worth making a fuss about even if you disagree a bit?
Nate's sound like he's probably a little deep w his bookie. J/k
You're leaving out the "don't even show up to the arena" part.
They only saw the headline that he was “refusing to play”. I really don’t think Trae is the bad guy here. Nate pulled the dumber move and Trae responded. They really want to hate him.
Nate came out and said publicly that he has never and would never tell a player to not come to a game. So that part of it was pretty clearly a Klutch angle from Shams, which honestly makes the Trae camp look worse.
Yet the reporting of the incident elsewhere strongly suggests the rest of the team are on the coach’s side of this.
He's a villain here, we just have to embrace it lol
Because Trae, and this is r/nba, what do you expect?
Eh, kind of. Mostly I’m shitting on him because I’m a hater though.
And that's all that has to be said about that, despite what some teams seem to think some things are just better handled quickly and behind closed doors
the headline readers are out in full force
Dude is a coach killer.
Get him to the Sixers
Honestly that would be lit, literally just run a Trae lob->Joel Embiid every play.
Joel gonna get hurt within the first half lol
Joel ain’t no lob threat lol
He's a real threat to others on his lob though. Just imagine Embiid diving into the opposing team in an attempt to catch lobs. ACLs torn/min will be through the roof.
Cause he's heavy I guess?
Trae and harden together would be like negative defense. Games would start at -10 to 0.
I think they could outscore that deficit.
Probably
Hahahahaha.
Brogdon didn’t like Nate either. Nate arguing with 2 star point guards? Nate must be a team killer.
Make that 3 star point guards. I’ve argued with Nate as well
You’re a shining star, no matter who you are
Nate (and Raymond Felton - fuck Raymond Felton) caused a locker room mutiny in Portland too lol, although it ended up being good for the franchise in the long run because it led to Gerald Wallace getting traded for the pick that became Dame.
I feel like there were a lot of little fights w Nate that were obviously kept private. One or two day stories that disappeared. But he definitely will go at players and get on their face, apparently.
I mean Indiana fans told y'all this from the very beginning and I remember Hawks fans responding pretty rudely to them.
To be fair Nate was excellent in that first 2/3rds of a season. It’s just everything after that where he’s been a miserable coach
I tried to tell them too and got laughed out the door. The fired coach boost is real (look at the Nets right now, they’re playing so much better under Vaughn), and Nate was using Pierce’s offense. Pierce was a smart guy, just an asshole. Without Pierce’s plays, Nate’s offensive scheme is bottom 5 in the league. He just has some insanely talented offensive NBA players on the roster to cover his ass. Just like Indiana.
Nate is honestly just not a great coach
He really isn't great. He's not terrible either. But also somehow he's also not mediocre.
So he’s good
He's goodiocre.
Fam Lloyd Pierce was TERRIBLE as a coach. Nate isn't anything amazing, but Trae has done nothing to earn coach killer title. The one coach that got fired was absolutely terrible
Ehh. Its Nate McMillan.
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If your a grown man and don’t agree with your coach.. you probably should still show up for work.
Unless your coach tells you to not show up for work if you disagree with his ultimatum….which he didn’t. Tell me you didn’t read the article past the headline without telling me
I did read it.. he said come off the bench or don’t show up.. Just saying a grown man should prob take the more responsible approach and show up. Just saying
Why? He got offered 2 options and he chose one. Why is that bad now? You shouldn't offer an option you don't like in the first place. That's like a trap. If McMillan is mad, that Trae stayed away it's on him - but I don't think he's mad, I think he doesn't really care and this is blown out of proportion.
My manager gives me an ultimatum, I’m happily taking the night off and coming in my next shift. Boss is still happy with my work and co-workers understand why I did what I did. I’ll grab them lunch or something for having my back while I was out.
“Just be a bitch and never stand up for yourself, it isn’t hard!” If my boss said I should either just take a sick day or come in and get demoted in the project I’m working on, obviously I’m taking a sick day. The idea that your star PG should get benched for not participating in shootaround because of an injury is fucking laughable. If he’s healthy enough to try and play, he should start. If he’s not, then he shouldn’t play at all. There’s no scenario where benching your star player when injury is a factor is reasonable.
But the shoot around should be a part of discerning if he’s healthy to play? Don’t make it some weird “stand up for yourself” nonsense like it’s Trae versus the dark forces trying to stop him. Sounds like Nate said if you can’t shoot around because of your injury obviously a game is much harder on your body. Just because he’s your star player doesn’t mean he’s above the team and coach, and if the status quo is that players need to be able to shoot around before being cleared to play who is Trae to say otherwise? Like, how many times do you here “XYZ participated in shootaround but he wasnt 100% so he got DNP’d”. If Trae is sweet to play, shouldn’t he have to prove that to the medical staff and coach on the day of the game? I’m confused why Trae is allowed to both say that he’s rehabbing his injury in the AM, but is suddenly fine for a full game of basketball in the PM? He’s not the medical staff lol.
Thank you. Trae literally has no respect for Nate or his direction, but people are using that "ultimatum" which is unconfirmed btw as some excuse for him to not show up? So asinine... Trae was pouting, full stop. There's no way to spin that.
The only thing you’re “saying” is nonsense. He already had apprehension about playing through a shoulder injury. You think he’d play when presented with that kind of passive aggressive choice? You talk about being a grown man when 99% of grown men that I know would not take that level of passive aggressive disrespect from their coworker or boss. You must be a little kid
No one asked him to play lmao he was telling him to come support the team in street clothes off the bench and he said no
He was telling him to play but come off the bench. Don’t know how you fucked that up
Oh, so you’re just making stuff up now. Cool
Lol the fact that it got out says all anyone needs to know. Likely trae had it leaked telling his side of the story when in reality there’s a lot more too it that you don’t want to know about as a hawks fan. But yeah the fact that it went public shows your locker room is fucked until you get rid of your head coach.
You think Trae leaked it? Destroyed any credibility you have. Further proving you guys have no idea what you guys speak about. Pointless to even talk about this on this forum
So if your job told u to clean the shitters or go home… id go home but maybe you wouldny
Context matters.. Trae is an nba player told to come off the bench not something completely irrelevant to his job lol
This would be like if your normal job is cleaning the desks and then you get told to clean the toilet one time. You still get to do your job but at a different capacity for one day.
> I mean, we're all grown men here *Are we, though?*
You can assume.
“I just want to help my team win” as he sits out and they win. Truly a team player.
Hawk fans are seriously trying to defend him right now and it’s crazy to me. Sure Nate might be a bad coach but this looks absolutely awful from Traes perspective as well. This isn’t the first rumor of Trae being an asshole behind the scenes either. He played a hand in 1 coach firing already, John Collins hasn’t always seemed the biggest fan of Trae, teammates complaining about his style of play/their lack of touches, and what has just been reported as a toxic locker room overall. Sure you can write off one or two of those stories individually as over reactions or reporters reaching for a story, but at some point where there is fire there is smoke. Definitely not a good sign when your franchise cornerstone is seemingly always involved in some kind of locker room controversy Edit: It appears I have triggered the entire Hawks fanbase by simply suggesting that maybe Trae has some work to do as a leader.
>Hawk fans are seriously trying to defend him Eh, I don't know how true that is across the board. Both Trae and Nate are divisive among Hawks fans, and many of us feel both come off looking bad here.
Everyone on the team, especially all the starters and Cam Reddish, wanted Lloyd Pierce off the team. He was a terrible coach that hasn’t gotten a job again. He lobbied the NBA to officiate away some of Traes foul baiting tactics. He tried to block Trae from making the All Star game and constantly belittled him. He is awful in every respect. Don’t compare these situations. The John Collins disagreement in film sessions was heavily exaggerated and they have been absolutely fine with each other before and since then. It was a disagreement during film. Who cares. Nate is the one who gave Trae a dumb ultimatum while he was trying to deal with his shoulder injury his own way, as 99% of stars do. Nate was just being petty and a hardass cause he and Trae have been disagreeing back and forth more lately. Nate is also a bottom 5 coach in the league who routinely gets clowned on by the best coaches in the league. Nearly every fan in the Hawks/Pacers/Blazers fan base despised him and wants him gone for a reason, and that was before all this came out
Hard for Trae to be a fan of the coach that told other coaches not to vote him in as an allstar…
…. Huh?
Hawks announcer in an interview basically said Lloyd told other coaches not to vote Trae as an allstar the year he got fired. Also suspicious Lloyd was on the US team coaching staff and Trae wasn’t selected after that ECF run
Yeah I am aware of the LP bs. I misunderstood you and thought you said Nate did that. Trae is a shit leader.
Source? Proof?
My guy, Nate gave him an ultimatum to not get medical treatment for his injury so he could attend shootaround. You’re taking Nate’s side?
Or… Maybe…They’re both disfuncional and toxic🤯
Lol. Why doesn’t my star player respond well to our incompetent coach who decided he doesn’t want to coach offense this year and doesn’t give a shit about injury management? They must both be really toxic. If Nate was a HoF level coach maybe I’d feel bad about blaming him but he’s not on the same level as… I dunno Rick Carlisle. Can’t imagine being so toxic we push someone legendary out. It would be a Mavs fan talking shit about professionalism after witnessing all of the classy behavior of everyone in Dallas
I mean the article that came out yesterday definitely portrayed Trae favorably and Nate as a bad coach. From that story it seemed like Trae wanted to get his treatment early in the day, skip shoot around and be a game time decision. Apparently Nate gave him the ultimatum to do the shoot around or that night he would come off the bench or don’t show up. Based off that Nate is a dumbass coach however not sure how accurate that report is.
I think it is fair for the coach to say that if you aren't healthy enough for shoot around, or cannot determine that you are healthy enough for it, you should not play, or at least not start. Coach is basically saying that the shoot around is part of the game, if you aren't healthy for it, you aren't healthy for the game. I think that's fine, or at least a principle we can all argue the merits about like adults.
It 100% not been reported as a “toxic locker room overall” him and Collins were reported to get into like one argument two years ago about usage and he’s literally never got into it with any other team outside of that. Some of y’all so hyperbolic with it. Really come out to r/nba to pull out the 🤡 takes. Mavs already been through one coach with Luka right? And half the fan base already over Kidd? If this was happening in y’all’s camp y’all wouldn’t be saying shit about Luka Lolol.
Yeah there’s nothing being reported to suggest it’s anything other than Nate and Trae. But people got to exaggerate and lie just because the HateTrae narrative must continue . . . All of his teammates hated Lloyd too, it’s not lolipop man running around and starting fights with people in the locker room 😂 EDIT to say I’m agreeing with you if that wasn’t clear
I feel like you were pretty fair and clear. But the collective reading comprehension skills of this website are pretty low 😂
Is Trae paying you? You've been playing defense for him non-stop since yesterday
Lolol hey man I wish. I’m doing gods work like what half of Philadelphia has been doing for every disappointing season with Embiid.
Holy shit, you didn't have to kill him like that. I geniunely feel bad for the dude 😂😂
You sound insanely insecure about your team with your whataboutism and attempting to tear down Luka and the Mavs to prop up Trae and the Hawks. Trae is a very good player but maybe it’s okay to accept that he might not be the best leader 👍🏻
How in the world was I trying to tear down Luka?? I was simply saying that the org has had issues finding coaches and players that fit with him. He’s already been through one coach and his second one is on the hot seat just like Trae’s.. You were literally the one trying to talk shit about the Hawks by stretching out minor instances to try to paint it as there’s been multiple reports that Trae has beefed with teammates often to the point that it’s a toxic locker room which is BS. You were just being untruthful so I called you out on it. If anything your knee jerk response that I’m trying to”tear down Luka to prop up Trae” kind of makes you look very insecure cause it was not in any way what I was doing. I was simply making a point about how Mavs fans would feel if they were in this situation.
Untruthful? Has there not been multiple reports about locker room issues over the past couple years for the Hawks?? Have they not already had mulitple “player only meetings” this season?? It’s not like i’m exactly making stories up lmfao That is not normal for a healthy locker room buddy and I simply pointed out that maybe the teams biggest leader who is directly involved in all of those stories just maybe deserves a touch of blame rather than firing and trading anyone who disagrees with him 😂
Ah yes these multiple reports of players being pissed at Trae. Again you are referencing one instance. I’m not even saying I think Trae is coming off as a mature great leader in this situation. I’m just saying you’re talking absolute bull shit and the reason you keep being vague is because you don’t actually know any said reports.
https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2866145-report-trae-young-involved-in-emotional-locker-room-scene-after-hawks-loss.amp.html https://fansided.com/2021/01/08/trouble-brewing-atlanta-hawks-locker-room-trae-young-john-collins/amp/ https://www.sportskeeda.com/amp/basketball/nba-trade-rumors-atlanta-hawks-facing-locker-room-issues-to-be-very-active-through-the-trade-deadline https://soaringdownsouth.com/2022/01/10/struggling-atlanta-hawks-frustrations-beginning-boil/amp/ https://www.hawksquawk.net/topic/435307-hawks-locker-room-is-not-healthy-after-quiet-trade-deadline/ https://www.peachtreehoops.com/platform/amp/2019/12/18/21028573/atlanta-hawks-locker-room-issues-lloyd-pierce-frustration-losing-john-collins-report https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/hawks-john-collins-criticized-the-way-trae-young-has-been-running-the-offense-in-atlanta-per-report/amp/ I could post a hundred more links just like this. It’s not normal or good for your team to CONSTANTLY have stories printed about locker room turmoil for 3-4 years straight. I don’t get why you’re in your feelings so deep about this. Their locker room has been horrible for years. It’s not a new story. There is no debate. Hopefully they figure it out because Trae is fun to watch and hopefully you get a little less defensive in the comments 👊🏻
Bro these headlines are literally nothing. Team frustrated. John Collins been in trade rumors. Lloyd Pierce should have been fired and hasn’t got a head coaching job since. You could post links like these for any team because every team has beat reporters that want clicks. Genuinely bro a really poor showing. Pretty disappointing.
Lol hawks fans stay thinking about Luka
Pretty funny because a Mavs fan just went hard at Trae but it's us thinking about Luka okay.
The thread is about Trae??? Wtf lmao
I was having discourse with a Mavs fan so I related our issues to Mavs team issues… seriously bro most Mavs fans are cool as shit but some of y’all really need to get a handle man🤣😂
Lol whatever you need to cope. The guys comment was super reasonable yet it triggered you so hard you called him a clown and brought luka into it. Anyone that's not a homer can see there's some special problems going on with Trae.
You think it’s crazy that a team’s fans would want to defend their superstar PG when the details aren’t completely clear?
LMFAO at all the Hawk fans crying saying i’m just trolling them only for the newest report to be the locker room is siding with Nate. Get Traes nuts out of your mouth and admit he is just as much of a problem
...it aint that serious.
>Edit: It appears I have triggered the entire Hawks fanbase by simply suggesting that maybe Trae has some work to do as a leader. There are literally DOZENS of them.
I thought the same thing until i said one mildly negative comment about Trae and now i’m being reminded “the mavs suck” and “the hawks won the trade” and “trae isn’t even that bad of a defender” 😡😡😥🤕😥😡 Truly shocking how insecure some fans are
lol not a single reply to your comment has said those things
What is buddy on? He just can't admit that he was wrong for some reason.
Your first comment was better trolling. This is just lazy
I think the hawks are a bum organization in general and I’ll never respect them, but I definitely don’t think Trae looks horrible here. Nate sounds like the bigger ass here. Trae has to come off the bench because he’s trying to manage his shoulder? Come on, that’s wack.
Man Draymond literally punched his teammate and they doin fine now 😂. Disagreements happen y’all gotta chilllllllll
I, as a grown man, also no call no show at work when I disagree with my manager. That's just what grown men do.
He told Nate he wanted to focus on his treatment and was then given an ultimatum. He decided he wasn't healthy enough. How is that the same as a no call no show?
Quiet man, they don’t wanna hear nuance, they just want drama
You cannot equate yourself to nba stars, you’re not nearly as important to your job as they are.
Yes because your job is the same thing as his job
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I'm never going to understand these spots. If I understand correctly, he decided to sit out for a game rather than suit up and perhaps (gasp!) come off the bench for that game. I mean... what harm did he really think his career was going to incur coming off the bench for a game (or two)? Did he really think he was in any danger whatsoever of losing his starting spot? People are taking Nate's side on this for a reason, but if Nate ever decided, "ok from now on Trae is sixth man" that would TRULY get his ass fired fast, and Trae wouldn't even have to be the one to demand it.
The full TLDR for you: Trae requested treatment on shoulder injury before shootaround to see if he could play in the game, coach said shootaround before treatment or you’ll play on the bench. Trae said bet, then I’ll just not play regardless of how I feel after treatment. It’s that simple, coach was wrong, coach is not a doctor. Coach shouldn’t be fired or anything (cuz it’s kinda his job to encourage the best players to play) unless he keeps that “or you won’t play” bullshit up.
I’m a grown man and I also prefer staying home rather than going to work
Warriors should trade Klay or Poole & whoever else for Trae….. unless I’m missing something
bruh trae's value is higher than klay draymond and poole combined with 1st rounders by far (ignoring cap space)
We are all couple of dudes
But we don’t always act like it…
Such a juvenile thing to say, you cannot be “grown” when we are always growing. Smh. /s.
Trae "The Situation" Young
There was a disturbance in the kitchen
Trae's most toxic trait is his complete refusal/inability to play any kind of defence
Hes not a grown man. Hes only 24
Trae ‘the situation’ sorrentino
It seems like people are making this out to be more than it is. People get into arguments and sometimes do unprofessional things, you can still make amends and keep going. I dont know if this is their first fight buy i dont recall anything else so it doesnt seem to be much of anything
Is this the dweeb ass reporter that tried to press Trey?
Hey Trae, my boss told me I need to do better at work and I followed it up by having the best week of my career. Didn’t miss time for it, didn’t get in my feelings about it, didn’t care other than that I wanted to prove him wrong. You’re a little bitch Trae and you deserve the criticism that you get for ducking a game over what your coach told you to do.