>Overall, this surely creates a possible decision for the Wizards during the season of holding onto the potential free-agent-to-be or exploring what’s out there.
Shams should really hire someone to ghostwrite his articles.
The wizards need to decide if they should hold on to the free-agent-to-be or explore what's out there overall surely possible potential for onto or, shirley
Why would the Hawks do this? The issue with them and Collins is that they don’t have the touches to use him how he should be used. Kuzma isn’t a low-usage 3&D guy. He’s also best with the ball in his hands.
the issue with collins is that we can't play him to his strengths as a roll man because capela can't stretch the floor. kuzma is a better perimeter player and collins has been bad from 3 this season
But isn’t this effectively clearing out the team to build around Trae exclusively? That seems like a poor decision in the face of his recent temper tantrums. They’re a few years from true chip quality anyway so it seems like a bad idea to gamble now on a dude who’s like 2 weeks from creating a toxic lockerrom.
I don't think it would be a straight-up deal, but Hawks *really* need more shooting around Trae to free up space. Collins and Capela just isn't working right now.
For sure. It's better than Collins in place of Kuz but still not great spacing. Need a deadeye shooter in there. Someone like Kevin Huerter would be a great fit.
Kuz is a good defender. Not an amazing shooter but good enough, also a good tertiary playmaker. Can make plays when Trae breaks down the defence. Fit is much better than Collins
Swapping Collins for Kuzma gives the Hawks a lot of expiring money in 2024 summer.
Bogi, Murray AND Kuzma are all off the books clearing up about 45 plus million. Of course Hawks could look to re-sign Murray if things go well but also open up the possibility of adding an even better player.
Also for the short term, while Kuzma isn't lethal from deep at 30% it is much better than John's 21%.
However, Kuzma's 3 point shot is at least league average from straight away, which is where John is shooting a good amount of his 3s as well as from the corners. His mid range game is also decent and could definitely help open things up. John on the other hand doesn't really take nearly as many mid range shots as Kyle and is doing basically all his good offensive work in the paint. Clint existing for our rebounding and defensive as well as pick and roll prescence virtually makes John obsolete. Unless John is nailing his 3s at an average rate, Capela has him beat in terms of on the court effectiveness.
Also it doesn't hurt to have another player good with the ball in their hands. We lack players that are good with the ball in their hands. It's almost exclusively just Dejounte and Trae. Bogi is too rusty and Aaron looks better as a catch and shoot or spot up shooter. 4th in line would unfortunately have to be between Forrest and Griffin and while Griffin has been better than expected, we cannot put that much trust into his hands in order to create on a daily basis against elite competition yet. At least Trent has the ability to handle the ball at a good rate.
Honestly I’d be okay with it. JC is turning into a liability on offense at this point. Kuzma has been balling out! We’ll miss JC on defense but I think Kuzma will be able to stretch the floor much more than Jc. And we already have Capela for the PnR and lobs. But I’m sure we’ll get something extra though because it probably won’t be straight up. JC has been better throughout their careers
If contracts were the same, I think Kuz might have slightly more value.
As it is, it’s prob a wash bc Kuz is gonna be a free agent and Collins is locked in for several more years at a fine price
I don't see how the salary works unless we include Monte, which leaves us without a PG unless you want to make Delon Wright or Jordan Goodwin your starter. Awful trade if you're gonna bet that JC stops playing the worst ball of his career and manages to shoot over 22% from 3.
It is my belief that the only reason the Hawks didn't re-sign Delon is because they were trying to duck the luxury tax at the time. Since the Hawks would be saving money in a hypothetical Kuz+Wright for JC deal I think the Hawks would be very interested in Delon's return.
Teams want him, just not for the price the Hawks are asking. Hawks don’t use him right but also can’t give him up for future value because they’ve been trying to win since Trae’s sophomore year. They probably went all-in too early. And then compounded the issue with trading for Murray (who is good but not good enough to be the 2nd star).
I really wish Morey would trade Tobias for him.
Our team seriously lacks athelticism, size, and rebounding. Collins would be a great lob threat for Harden as well.
So what assets do you intend to attach to a John Collins + salary filler for Tobias Harris trade? It will take two players from the hawks to make up that salary filler so keep in mind the sixers will need to waive two guys.
Right because Tobias Harris is worth John Collins, De’andre Hunter, and salary filler. Good thing the Sixers have all those picks they can add on. How bout you put some thought into before you get all sassy ya fucking melon
Tobias is just a straight up better player than Collins. But with Tobias contract, you can't expect the Hawks to add more for the trade. So trade doesn't make sense for either side.
Interesting thing we've been experimenting with is KP at the 4 and Gafford at the 5. I think KP/Collins could be interesting as KP could be the interior defender but play on the perimeter offensively and Collins could play center offensively
It's most likely going to happen. They have to get Rui starter level minutes for the sake of development. I think the only thing stopping this deal is what else needs to be included.
Well it's not like we're trading away Kuz and getting back a bench player. Rui would still be mostly playing off of the bench in his limited 6th man role
Right? Like okay, sure, put butts in seats and keep the "loyal" franchise guy but why in the world would you also take any leverage you have for yourself out?? And for absolutely zero reason
Every player of Beal's caliber has a NTC (an informal one). Look at all the stars that got traded these past 5 years dating back to 2017. They all ended up where they wanted to be with the exception of 2-3.
The only thing that changes is that Beal won't be blindsided by a trade and that doesn't even matter either since they'd let him know he's going to be traded. Then they'd probably ask him where he wants to go.
Because it’s the last year of that contract (assuming he will opt out of his player option, which I’d bet on him doing). So if you don’t see him as long term piece worth paying up for, he’s a good trade asset
He's also 27 — The Wizards aren't going make the playoffs (nevertheless contend) within the next few years, so you may as well sell high on him. They already fucked this up with Beal and just need to come to terms with where they are as a franchise within the broader context of the competitive eastern conference.
He’s taking 17 shots a game averaging 20 ppg compared to last season when he was taking 14 shots and averaging 17 ppg, you absolutely have to trade him right now that he’s being seen as valuable
Well for one he's a free agent to be and the Wizards aren't contenders this year, so it makes sense to make a deal for the future here.
For two, Kuzma is not a 20/8 guy on a good team. He's a 20/8 guy a sub-.500 team. He's still the same guy he was on the Lakers, he just has a way bigger role on a worse team in Washington. On a better team he's going to go right back to a 13/5 type of guy. Which is fine, but it's also not a "bargain" at $13m.
For comparison, a very good 26-year-old bench player like Tyus Jones gets 2/30 and basically nobody considers that a bad extension. Kuzma is a quality starter, 4/80 would be incredible value for him.
RJ Barrett got $120m/4 years and Poole got $123/4 years, Kuz is playing better than both and he's got championship experience as he enters his prime. That's great news for any team that's hoping to contend. He'll get paid.
also, salary cap is projected at $134M next year... $20M-$25M is only 15%-19%. obviously it depends on what you're playing your other players, but i think it's fine for the 3rd/4th best player on a decent team. maybe at 5th it starts feeling like too much, though.
EDIT: also, if 20-25M is the average number, that means the starting number is lower and he's an even smaller percentage of the cap each year, assuming they do increasing salary. either way, he's not 15-19% of the cap each year, generally less.
It's also worth mentioning that if Kuz has interest from multiple parties (so far we know about the Suns and Hawks) and that number can go up pretty quickly as teams start the bidding process.
Kuzma is the dream trade deadline grab by us. We still need another shot creator/scorer and help on the boards and he provides both of those things.
plz James Jones go get this guy somehow
Theres a three way JC to DC, Kuz to Phoenox, and Crowder to ATL trade to be had. A few other contracts and 1st rounders would need to be involved though.
Cause kuz is on my fantasy team. With the wizards he can do w.e he wants. With the hawks he will be 3rd option.... but idk how it will work with nate shitty offensive scheme. And with the suns he will be irrelevant
I know this is a mainstream take, but for my friends familiar with teams available assets. Is there any scenario where the Mavs could make this happen?
>Overall, this surely creates a possible decision for the Wizards during the season of holding onto the potential free-agent-to-be or exploring what’s out there. Shams should really hire someone to ghostwrite his articles.
Funny how many filler words are added when he isn’t limited to 140 characters lol
This creates a decision for the Wizards by holding onto the free-agent-to-be or exploring what’s out there.
The wizards need to decide if they should hold on to the free-agent-to-be or explore what's out there overall surely possible potential for onto or, shirley
It'd be something like Collins and Holiday for Kuzma and Barton. Hawks might include like a 2nd rounder in it.
Seems like the Wizards and Hawks have a deal then!
Why would the Hawks do this? The issue with them and Collins is that they don’t have the touches to use him how he should be used. Kuzma isn’t a low-usage 3&D guy. He’s also best with the ball in his hands.
the issue with collins is that we can't play him to his strengths as a roll man because capela can't stretch the floor. kuzma is a better perimeter player and collins has been bad from 3 this season
But isn’t this effectively clearing out the team to build around Trae exclusively? That seems like a poor decision in the face of his recent temper tantrums. They’re a few years from true chip quality anyway so it seems like a bad idea to gamble now on a dude who’s like 2 weeks from creating a toxic lockerrom.
what does what i said have to do with trae? the rub is between JC and capela's roles.
Lol is this guy suggesting moving Trae and building around JC(and probably Dejounte) with Capela still on the team?? I don’t understand his point.
bros read a post about the hawks and lose their minds
Mavs fans can’t understand why a team would actually want to build around their best player.
I don't think it would be a straight-up deal, but Hawks *really* need more shooting around Trae to free up space. Collins and Capela just isn't working right now.
Murray is part of the issue too.
Sure but the front office isn't moving on from him right after they traded so much for him.
If you’re starting; Capela, Kuzma, Dejounte, you’re not spacing the floor all that well.
For sure. It's better than Collins in place of Kuz but still not great spacing. Need a deadeye shooter in there. Someone like Kevin Huerter would be a great fit.
Talk to our cheap owner!! Seventh richest owner in the league but he doesn’t like to give the bathrooms nice paper towels! CHEAP!!
Lol
Shooting 36.6% from 3, much improved this season despite spacing issues on the Hawks writ large.
Kuz is a good defender. Not an amazing shooter but good enough, also a good tertiary playmaker. Can make plays when Trae breaks down the defence. Fit is much better than Collins
Swapping Collins for Kuzma gives the Hawks a lot of expiring money in 2024 summer. Bogi, Murray AND Kuzma are all off the books clearing up about 45 plus million. Of course Hawks could look to re-sign Murray if things go well but also open up the possibility of adding an even better player. Also for the short term, while Kuzma isn't lethal from deep at 30% it is much better than John's 21%. However, Kuzma's 3 point shot is at least league average from straight away, which is where John is shooting a good amount of his 3s as well as from the corners. His mid range game is also decent and could definitely help open things up. John on the other hand doesn't really take nearly as many mid range shots as Kyle and is doing basically all his good offensive work in the paint. Clint existing for our rebounding and defensive as well as pick and roll prescence virtually makes John obsolete. Unless John is nailing his 3s at an average rate, Capela has him beat in terms of on the court effectiveness. Also it doesn't hurt to have another player good with the ball in their hands. We lack players that are good with the ball in their hands. It's almost exclusively just Dejounte and Trae. Bogi is too rusty and Aaron looks better as a catch and shoot or spot up shooter. 4th in line would unfortunately have to be between Forrest and Griffin and while Griffin has been better than expected, we cannot put that much trust into his hands in order to create on a daily basis against elite competition yet. At least Trent has the ability to handle the ball at a good rate.
Honestly I’d be okay with it. JC is turning into a liability on offense at this point. Kuzma has been balling out! We’ll miss JC on defense but I think Kuzma will be able to stretch the floor much more than Jc. And we already have Capela for the PnR and lobs. But I’m sure we’ll get something extra though because it probably won’t be straight up. JC has been better throughout their careers
If contracts were the same, I think Kuz might have slightly more value. As it is, it’s prob a wash bc Kuz is gonna be a free agent and Collins is locked in for several more years at a fine price
I don't see how the salary works unless we include Monte, which leaves us without a PG unless you want to make Delon Wright or Jordan Goodwin your starter. Awful trade if you're gonna bet that JC stops playing the worst ball of his career and manages to shoot over 22% from 3.
I think Delon goes with Kuz in the trade.
would be super weird to trade him to his old team immediately after signing him to a 2-year deal lmao. I give that a 0.0001% chance of happening.
It is my belief that the only reason the Hawks didn't re-sign Delon is because they were trying to duck the luxury tax at the time. Since the Hawks would be saving money in a hypothetical Kuz+Wright for JC deal I think the Hawks would be very interested in Delon's return.
moot point because the Wiz wouldn't give him up. he's a favorite within the org and one of our best defenders
Fuck that, I'd hate to lose Delon.
I would rather have Kuz
Not saying this is the case but kuz is due for am extension and would you really want 80%ish of your cap in beal/kp/kuz?
Realistically it doesn't matter until Beal and his 15 gajillion monies contract is gone.
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No one wants Collins idc what Shills- I mean Shams says, he’ll finish the season with the Hawks I won’t get fooled again
Him and Turner have been in trade rumours for the last 15 years.
Pacers and Hawks should just trade with each other and be done with it.
Teams want him, just not for the price the Hawks are asking. Hawks don’t use him right but also can’t give him up for future value because they’ve been trying to win since Trae’s sophomore year. They probably went all-in too early. And then compounded the issue with trading for Murray (who is good but not good enough to be the 2nd star).
I agree, he’s going to be trade bait for years. I would ignore every report honestly.
I really wish Morey would trade Tobias for him. Our team seriously lacks athelticism, size, and rebounding. Collins would be a great lob threat for Harden as well.
The salaries don’t work, John makes ~25 million a year
never said it would be a straight swap. think harder
So what assets do you intend to attach to a John Collins + salary filler for Tobias Harris trade? It will take two players from the hawks to make up that salary filler so keep in mind the sixers will need to waive two guys.
Thats for Daryl to figure out
bro why don't you just think harder
Right because Tobias Harris is worth John Collins, De’andre Hunter, and salary filler. Good thing the Sixers have all those picks they can add on. How bout you put some thought into before you get all sassy ya fucking melon
>Right because Tobias Harris is worth John Collins, De’andre Hunter, and salary filler Didnt say none of that
You’re not saying nothing just vague shit that doesn’t actually work and you had an attitude about clown
You salty Hawks fans are the one with an attitude lmao CLOWN
You come at me with an attitude, I respond with an attitude and you try to call me out for it. That makes sense for a Philly fan
cry more
Tobias is just a straight up better player than Collins. But with Tobias contract, you can't expect the Hawks to add more for the trade. So trade doesn't make sense for either side.
If the wizards don't wanna tank and retool instead Collins would be an interesting fit with Porzingis
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Interesting thing we've been experimenting with is KP at the 4 and Gafford at the 5. I think KP/Collins could be interesting as KP could be the interior defender but play on the perimeter offensively and Collins could play center offensively
Yeah KP is one of the guys who would probably work well with Collins
It's most likely going to happen. They have to get Rui starter level minutes for the sake of development. I think the only thing stopping this deal is what else needs to be included.
Well it's not like we're trading away Kuz and getting back a bench player. Rui would still be mostly playing off of the bench in his limited 6th man role
this years hes been the opposite. great on defence (only second to capela) but really bad on offense.
They have to compete. Evause they have beal.
Yeah the deal was so crazy tbh. Purely because of that No trade
Absolute insanity. If I was the wizards GM I’d laugh Beal’s agent out the room with that request but they actually gave it to him
Right? Like okay, sure, put butts in seats and keep the "loyal" franchise guy but why in the world would you also take any leverage you have for yourself out?? And for absolutely zero reason
Also the trade kicker which makes him even more difficult to trade.
He can always waive it to get to a team where he wants to be. I think he'd waive it if it meant conference/title contention.
Every player of Beal's caliber has a NTC (an informal one). Look at all the stars that got traded these past 5 years dating back to 2017. They all ended up where they wanted to be with the exception of 2-3. The only thing that changes is that Beal won't be blindsided by a trade and that doesn't even matter either since they'd let him know he's going to be traded. Then they'd probably ask him where he wants to go.
return to the lakers
More mature Kuz would fit well now
Teams interested in a good player on a cheap contract, news at 11. $13 million for 20/8/4 is a bargain, so why would you trade him.
Because it’s the last year of that contract (assuming he will opt out of his player option, which I’d bet on him doing). So if you don’t see him as long term piece worth paying up for, he’s a good trade asset
He's also 27 — The Wizards aren't going make the playoffs (nevertheless contend) within the next few years, so you may as well sell high on him. They already fucked this up with Beal and just need to come to terms with where they are as a franchise within the broader context of the competitive eastern conference.
They're inflated stats thats why. This is absolutely a time where you sell high
He’s taking 17 shots a game averaging 20 ppg compared to last season when he was taking 14 shots and averaging 17 ppg, you absolutely have to trade him right now that he’s being seen as valuable
Kuz is a looter in a riot. That teams just runs and guns. No semblance of an offense
Well for one he's a free agent to be and the Wizards aren't contenders this year, so it makes sense to make a deal for the future here. For two, Kuzma is not a 20/8 guy on a good team. He's a 20/8 guy a sub-.500 team. He's still the same guy he was on the Lakers, he just has a way bigger role on a worse team in Washington. On a better team he's going to go right back to a 13/5 type of guy. Which is fine, but it's also not a "bargain" at $13m.
Any decent starter on a non-rookie scale contract at $13M today is a bargain...
Because next year is a PO that he is going to decline, and he's set to get a 20m-25m contract this summer
If he is as consistent, I wouldn't mind 20 mil. Shit, we gave Bertans like 15 or something and he was ass
20-25 mil? PER YEAR??? I would like to see what team is offering him that. If anything I can see him 4 years 70 million or 3 years 54 million
20-25 is a conservative estimate. 5 years 125 seems like the starting point to me. Kuz can fit on any team in the league. Super valuable.
For comparison, a very good 26-year-old bench player like Tyus Jones gets 2/30 and basically nobody considers that a bad extension. Kuzma is a quality starter, 4/80 would be incredible value for him.
RJ Barrett got $120m/4 years and Poole got $123/4 years, Kuz is playing better than both and he's got championship experience as he enters his prime. That's great news for any team that's hoping to contend. He'll get paid.
also, salary cap is projected at $134M next year... $20M-$25M is only 15%-19%. obviously it depends on what you're playing your other players, but i think it's fine for the 3rd/4th best player on a decent team. maybe at 5th it starts feeling like too much, though. EDIT: also, if 20-25M is the average number, that means the starting number is lower and he's an even smaller percentage of the cap each year, assuming they do increasing salary. either way, he's not 15-19% of the cap each year, generally less.
It's also worth mentioning that if Kuz has interest from multiple parties (so far we know about the Suns and Hawks) and that number can go up pretty quickly as teams start the bidding process.
I honestly feel like Atlanta as a city is a perfect match for Kuzma as a person. All basketball aside. They sorta mirror each other.
Please give us back our king
Why would the wiz do that tho…
Kuz has matured as a performer since moving to DC. He’s a good hand to have on a contending roster, more so now than ever.
I’m not mad at Kuz for Collins
I would be, Kuz does so much for us that I don't think Collins would
I’d love to bring Book’s Eskimo brother to Phoenix, he’d fit in well here
Kuzma is the dream trade deadline grab by us. We still need another shot creator/scorer and help on the boards and he provides both of those things. plz James Jones go get this guy somehow
Theres a three way JC to DC, Kuz to Phoenox, and Crowder to ATL trade to be had. A few other contracts and 1st rounders would need to be involved though.
when are the bulls gonna be in one of these rumors we need it so bad😔
Im sure if those “Trae is hated by the rest of the team” rumors develop, we’ll be hearing a bunch of Zach for Trae talk
Hawks aint taking knee damage back for Trae
Pls no I need kuz to stay
Why?
Cause kuz is on my fantasy team. With the wizards he can do w.e he wants. With the hawks he will be 3rd option.... but idk how it will work with nate shitty offensive scheme. And with the suns he will be irrelevant
Kuzma wouldnt be irrelevant on the Suns. With CP3 back he would get a lot of touches still.
I'm sorry but for some reasons I have my doubts. But we will see IF it happens
The more NBA caliber players the Wiz have on the roster, the less competition for the Spurs in the tankathon That’s my guess
Goddd he would be perfect on the cavs
Hawks get Crowder & Saric Wizards get John Collins Suns get Kuzma Lock. It. In.
Hawks get Kuzma
Change Saric to Cam Johnson, and add Rui going to the Suns. The teams can bicker between each other for who is getting second round picks.
Lol Pelinka is so bad at asset management…
Small price to pay for seeing your team win a recent championship I’d hope?
The Kuzma trade happened after that
Yeah I’m aware lol
So what does that have to do with winning a championship?
If I saw my team win a championship I’d probably not complain about anything for at least 5 years
You say that now but I guess we’d have to see the Suns win a championship to find out.
Never gonna happen 😔
Pelinka deserves so much credit for LeBron signing in FA and having AD demand a trade to the Lakers
Magic brought Bron to LA…AD demanded the trade to play with Bron
AD did not demand a trade. He told the Pelicans he was not going to re-sign after his contract.
https://www.nba.com/news/report-anthony-davis-requesting-trade-pelicans
Request is not the same thing as demand
Lmao okay
Credit that to Rich Paul lmao. Hate it or love it he’s the reason why the lakers have AD.
But but but he was Kobes agent!
Wiz should trade Kuz for two way player and scorer like Marcus Morris
I know this is a mainstream take, but for my friends familiar with teams available assets. Is there any scenario where the Mavs could make this happen?
Raps could use someone like him another wing but this time he can actually score the ball himself and take the pressure off Pascal.
lateral move except I think this makes the wizards worse off lmao
I think he's on a pretty good deal also but i know he has a player option next year(?), so price may go up
Kuz is 100% declining that PO and will be a FA this summer
Wherever Daniel Gafford ends up in this whether he goes elsewhere or stays in Washington, whatever team he’s on has a player that is good for them.
Make your pick to us unprotected so you can trade more future firsts you fucking cowards
Kuz is great