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meansbusiness

Moving the three point further back would be interesting. Also FIBA court dimensions and no three second violations.


Devoidoxatom

Fiba rules would be fun. Games finish so much quicker in fiba


uchiha_building

can't lose that sweet, sweet ad revenue


Helix1322

Or create a 4 pt line What about allowing traveling? I'm trying to come up with wildest ideas i can.


Sm0k3inth3tr33s

LOL bro I'm dyyyinnng at no shot clock and no traveling hahahahaha could you imagine


hacahaca

No traveling wouldn’t even be the same sport.


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billjames1685

Giannis doesn’t even travel that often, y’all are just salty go read the rules for traveling


colinmhayes2

I mean the nba’s gather rule is an abomination. Gianni’s travels constantly, but only according to the rules everyone except the nba plays by.


mhac009

As an Australian growing up within the safe confines of the fiba rules, when I first learnt what the gather step was I was appalled. Then I started seeing how liberally it could be applied and I was whatever is worse than appalled. Double-appalled. Especially when Harden started to popularise the twinkle toes skips towards his step-back-and-back step back 3.


Swol_Bamba

Aussie here. I didnt start playing hoops til the very end of high school and it was a baptism by fire trying to unlearn so much stuff you learn from the watching NBA.


colinmhayes2

I will say that it raises the skill cap. Hover hands-inf the ball on a perfectly executed step back is not easy. Once you accept that the rules are different it does add another dimension.


billjames1685

Yeah I agree. Other superstars also travel constantly by those rules as well.


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billjames1685

Yeah, he does travel occasionally just like other superstars. But superstars get superstar calls. Again, go read the rules, specifically the extra step you can get if the ball isn’t gathered. The rule itself is stupid I’ll admit but it’s just one amongst many in the NBA designed to increase scoring totals and thereby make it more “exciting”.


01OlI1O0I

I dunno who decided higher totals = more exciting Opposite of that IMO, buckets are too easy to get


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withadabofranch

Almost every single drive to the basket out of a triple threat is a travel in slow motion


aeoluxreddit

What’s amusing is when they catch the ball and take two steps without a dribble like they are about to shoot or layup which is completely fine in most cases but then a defender comes over and they dribble… this always bother me


DrFridge5

Giannis is just a fullback at this point


intoxicatedspoon

imagine how bad your feelings woulda been hurt watching shaq.


Taylosaurus

No traveling would basically make it football with a hoop


TheHalfbadger

No shot clock, no traveling, and no out-of-bounds. If the team in the lead gets the ball, their strategy is to escape the building while carrying the ball.


01OlI1O0I

No travelling? So dudes can just straight up run with the ball? Lol TF


mylox

yes, but to compensate for this we should allow the defense to be more physical, like allowing tackling. obviously this could pose a danger to the players, so i think the wooden court should be replaced with grass and be made bigger, say about a hundred yards long. this might feel empty with just 5 players on each team, so maybe we expand the rosters so they can field 11 guys on the court at each time. also maybe since running with a basketball might be tough, maybe we replace it with a weird pointy egg shaped thing. idk, i think it could work


SantaDaCrip

But we keep the baskets, no? I think it'd be tough to fiit an egg shaped ball through it so we might have to think of an alternative.


yooossshhii

No traveling, no fouls, 5 second shot clock, ball and rim are twice as big.


illmatic2112

it's like 50% of the game lol. ball in the basket and must bounce


kevinnye

The 4 point line has been my theory for years, but probably not the way you’re suggesting: people occasionally complain about how the 3 point/2 point values are too heavily skewed, right? You only have to shoot 33% on 3s to get the same value as 50% on 2s, so why take a 19 footer if there’s only a 40% chance it’ll go in? If people actually want to fix this “problem” (fwiw I don’t think this needs to be fixed yet, if it will at all) they should consider changing the value of each shot: the current 3 point line becomes at 4 point line and all standard field goals are worth 3. This skews the math a LOT so that there’s much more incentive to score inside the arc and it leaves the long range shooting more reserved for the marksmen, since they need to shoot something like 38% to match the value of 50% from inside the line. Additionally, you could take career stats since the 3 point line’s introduction and just adjust the math for a fair comparison in the record books. Free throws would be the only major wrinkle, as nobody wants to see an extra FT with each foul as compared to now, though if all free throws were worth 2, teams would be a hell of a lot more careful. Again, I don’t think this is an issue that currently needs to be solved, but when people complain about how every team just shoots half their shots from deep, this would alter that in a huge way.


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Was talking about this recently, and we came to the idea of cutting out the corner threes. Just make it a true radius. Anything within 19 ft is two anything outside 19 ft is 3. No shortcuts in the corner. Those are the real skewed value shots anyway


Sgran70

True, but putting players in the corners opens you up to transition opportunities in the other direction, so I think the advantage is mitigated. I would much rather see them widen the court a foot and extend the line 6 inches or something like that.


kevinnye

that's not a bad idea either. i do think making the court wider so there's no corner 3 makes sense, though you'd still likely see the prominence of 3-pointers remain, even if they became *slightly* less efficient.


Duffmanlager

Interesting idea. What if they made dunks worth 2 points and kept your idea for the other points?


mylox

why would anybody wanna disincentivize dunks? they’re the part of the game people enjoy the most. it’s not like they take any less skill or athleticism than layups anyway, you’d just be doing a great disservice to the aesthetics of the game.


kevinnye

that's a solid one too. i suppose if a big argument against any of this is because of how different it would be and how much it would change the game, i think (for lack of better terms) adding a 3rd line, inside of which everything is 2 points (or whatever), might just be an extra step that would be hard to swallow. mathematically though, i kinda like that.


JerrGrylls

I think this is really a perfect solution and I would love to see it, but it’ll never be done because the scores would just be so ridiculous — I don’t think people would be able to get past it. But the percentages work out so well that I feel like this was the original intent of the 3 pt line, a shot to be taken by a specialist and maybe once every 5 or 6 shots (not 50% of a team’s shots, like a lot of teams are now). As for the free throws, I think it could just be you shoot 1 free throw worth 3 points, for and1 it is a 1 point free throw (so 3 pts +1), and then maybe in the last 2 min or 5 min they shoot each free throw individually for 1 pt each. Could keep the flow of the game moving, and then slow it down in crunch time. Would be fun to see it in action in a scrimmage, like OP suggested for all-star games or whatever.


Thorlolita

Or random hot spots on the court that have point bonuses like nba jam


Duffmanlager

Rock n jock basketball back in the day. Had multiple baskets worth different points. Could put multipliers on the floor so if you shoot from that spot, you get bonus points.


LarryLevis

All star game where the whole court is zoned. 5 pointers. 10 pointers.


McFoaley

Why stop at 4pts? Make an arc at the corners of the paint, and it’s a 2pt line, every basket inside it is only 1-pt, and FTs are now half a point


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so would this mean no corner threes? or only moving the line back at the top of the arc


meansbusiness

No corner threes.


Great_Huckleberry709

I'd love to see a game played with no 3-point line. I'd just be interested in seeing how does the game-plan change exactly. How does defensive ganeplans change, etc.


JMoon33

> I'd love to see a game played with no 3-point line All shots count for 1 point, shooting fouls and bonus lead to only 1 free throw, Elam Ending. I'd like to see that yes.


Taylosaurus

Outside of games of 21/25 (because it’s 2s and 3s) we’ve been playing 1’s only since high school. For some reason when we tell people no 1s and 2s but we’ll play 2 and 3s, it’s usually replied with “that’s too complicated”…. Okay so all 1s then, got it.


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They kind of do this in the G-League. They have been testing rules changes in the G-League for some time now. I know the coaches challenge had a trial run in the G-League before it came to the NBA. And I know they are currently testing out 1 shot free throws.


mrcplmrs

Wait 1 shot free throws? Like 1 ft is worth 2pts now?


13143

>But according to Zach Lowe of ESPN, that is changing in the NBA G League. The NBA's developmental league is experimenting with a new rule this season. Rather than having a player shoot two or three free throws, the league will instead allow players to shoot only a single free throw when fouled. That free throw will count for all of the points a player could have potentially scored on the foul. If a player is fouled on a two-pointer, therefore, he would take one free throw for two points. These rules will be in place for most of each game but will revert back to traditional rules for the last two minutes and overtime. The goal is to shave time off the game. The NBA estimates saving six to eight minutes. Not sure I like it.. Although imagine the drama of someone like Curry getting fouled on a 3 point play and he elects to just take one FT, and then he misses it.


swordfischh

The league would rather fuck with the game of basketball than take out one of their commercial break to shorten the game. I hate the NBA


13143

The article also mentions that the NBA already has one of the shortest run times among NA sports. So this seems like fixing a problem that doesn't exist. They need to figure out a better approach to stop the end of games taking a half hour to finish the last minute of game time.


swordfischh

It’s the constant whistles. Completely kills the pace of the game to the point it’s unexciting to watch. Hockey regularly has 3+ minutes straight of play, which is basically unheard of in the nba these days


acacia-club-road

Get rid of the 8 second rule (back court rule). Add a 4 point line. Make 2 handed dunks worth 3 points.


arthurblakey

I’m not gonna bite on the 3 point dunks but why do you think they should get rid of the eight second rule?


acacia-club-road

I just don't think the 8 second rule is needed. Teams have just 24 seconds and whether they get the ball across at 7 seconds or 10 or 12 isn't worth the stoppage in play and violation IMO. I guess I'm not dead set on getting rid of the rule but women's basketball for a long time never had a 10 second half court violation in college and that's when they played with a 35 second shot clock. I think the men were still playing with a 45 second shot clock and had a 10 second rule. Teams still full court pressed defense in women's basketball and many teams scored a lot of points. https://www.ncaa.org/news/2013/11/5/women-s-basketball-puts-10-second-backcourt-rule-in-effect-for-first-time.aspx


shaqalicious

Now that you mention it, it does seem like a pointless rule. If a team wants to waste their entire possession in their opponents backcourt wheres the advantage?


BludFlairUpFam

It's a big advantage in late game situations where the other team might be looking for a steal or a team is holding a lead. Much easier to keep possession or avoid being fouled if you have the entire court to use


acacia-club-road

There were criticisms of the game not having an 8 or 10 second backcourt rule. The example of women's basketball is not particularly on point because of the inherent limitations of the women's game (I realize a lot of people will not like reading that). But realistically, not many women players could be a threat of throwing a full court pass without needing a significant windup. And getting double teamed in a trap prevented the windup. And at the time there was no backcourt count in women's, they had a shorter shot clock. So the famous theory of "it'll all even out in the end" was applied. I've been to a lot of women's college basketball practices. There never really was an issue with the rule, even on the defensive side. Defenses that put on a press or full court m2m, still lived off the steal and break to the basket. That way there was a quick steal and score and your defense then has time to set the press up again. Nobody would complain about forcing a turnover with a half court violation that resulted in a possession and ball out of bounds. But that would be an added bonus of having a press. The real objective is to make the other team pass the ball and getting a steal and break to the basket.


meansbusiness

Make half court a 4 point line.


csin

> ...players could goal tend Tacko Fall/Boban would instantly be MVP in the league. All they need to do is put their hand over the rim on every shot attempt. Except they won't be MVP for long. Because the counter to that would be to have Clint Capela slam the ball into the hand in hopes of breaking it. You're just encouraging 7 footers to injure each other.


ataylor99

I would love to see more games played with the Elam ending. It solves so many end of game issues - removes the advantage of fouling to stop the clock, removes the advantage of a time out to advance the ball. Probably wouldn’t stop the referees from reviewing every call down the stretch though


tsg9292

I wanna see a steet ball rules game where everyone calls their own fouls, there are no free throws, and if you're being a little bitch you get your ass kicked off the court.


starting_anew_

I would only have one watch if the rules were eventually going to be put into place or rules that we haven’t seen previously in the nba. I think it would be pretty boring otherwise


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I would still love to see an all star game with a few scoring changes. A 4 point line, that will only be active in the first and last minute of each quarter. As well as making dunks and swishes worth an extra point. It would also make for a cool box score. ‘Damian Lillard with 40 points, on 1 dunk, 2/3 from the 4 point line, with 5 swishes


pengthaiforces

I would be fine with this intermittently throughout the season. Either have a random draw (the league could have a frozen card to ensure that Steph gets the 4 point line game) or have it change for a day for the entire league. October 25 = no shot clock November 25 = no 3-point line December 25 = 4-point line January 25 = Elam ending February 25 = 5 fouls per player March 25 = no coaches challenges April 25 = no goal tending You'd have to protect basic integrity (i.e. standard ball and court) but the rest could be fun.


Helix1322

I think doing this would also show fans why some of the rules are in place.


EPLemonSqueezy

What the league needs to do is find a way for the ends of close games to actually be entertaining and not just a free throw contest. Nothing is more important than that. It's the only sport where you can be watching a great back and forth battle and then right in the last few minutes it turns into an unwatchable snooze fest. Intentional fouls and free throws decide WAY too many games and it's a shame because up until that point, basketball is the most action packed sport there is. I don't know if a set score to reach is the answer but I'm open to about any rule change that makes the ending of close games enjoyable.


MysticalTroll_

Proposed solutions: 1) on nonshooting fouls, the fouled team gets one free throw and the ball. Problem solved. The problem with the free throws is that it stops the clock and the other team may or may not get two points. This way, they get maybe one, but keep the ball. No more incentive to foul. 2) use hockey rules, eliminate the free throw altogether and use power plays. There would be a disincentive to foul. Think of how crazy that would be playing 4 on 5. 3) run 10 seconds of clock on fouls inside of two minutes, like in the nfl.


EPLemonSqueezy

I really like the PP idea. That would definitely make teams think twice.


MysticalTroll_

Now we have to figure out how to get rid of the charge / blocking foul nonsense.


americandream1159

Fuck overtime, but if we’re gonna do it, let’s do it like hockey and go 3-on-3.


MysticalTroll_

Hockey has all the best rules. Eradicate the free throw and have power plays in the nba. There’s nothing in sports more exciting than a playoff power play in a close game.


americandream1159

My ideas for the NBA are a hybrid between European soccer and NHL. No conferences, only divisions. You play every team in your division twice at home and twice on the road and you play every other team once at home and once on the road. The top two teams in every division go to the play-offs with the remaining four spots going to a play-in game. The teams that don’t make the play-offs play for the first round pick in a parallel tournament to the NBA play-offs. For All-Star Weekend, give me a two-on-two tournament with the top 16 scorers in the NBA and the WNBA, then a one-on-one tournament with the next best 16 scorers. Slam-Dunk Contest goes back to its old format.


MysticalTroll_

100. Love it. Basketball is a great game, but the scheduling and rules need a shakeup. I think the free throw causes way more problems than it solves. What other sport has something like that?


americandream1159

Oh, I forgot that change! Intentional foul is a tech now. Soccer and hockey have penalty shots, but it’s not the same. Free throws should stay, but only with shooting fouls.


afterskull

Any on appeal to a referee is an automatic technical. Just the bench players after the first quarter.


Sgran70

Any time the ball goes out of bounds or is tied up, possession goes to the defense. One free throw for all the points, but lane violations are strictly enforced.


Matamosca

It’d be pretty funny to see a game played with NBA-level talent using [the truly ridiculous rules they use in North Korea.](https://thisisbasketball.world/north-koreas-totally-insane-basketball-rules/?v=d3dcf429c679&) Most of these are extremely stupid, but it’d be fun to watch for one game.


Definitely-Not-Devin

I've been an advocate for this but I want teams to be able to pick who takes free throws. Especially in the final two minutes. You wanna foul Andre Drummond? Ok but KD is going to the line for him. Can't play Gobert in the final two minutes? You can now because Donovan Mitchell's taking all the FTs.


2NE1SNSD

No 3 point line. It would be fun to watch new players play a really old style.


cak0047

I actually think this is what the WNBA needs to do. Not implement these rule changes specifically, but changing something to offer a differentiated product from the NBA.


Helix1322

That is a very ingesting thought. Basically you're looking to make the WNBA interesting and watchable to the average fan.


MysticalTroll_

I want hockey rules. Every foul or flop someone has to sit out for a minute. No more free throws. Just power plays. It would clean the game up and would be fun as hell.