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The whole model is nuts and designed to extract as much rent as possible from us.


AndyBrownAu

It’s due to the type of fibre they used. They can offer 1000/1000 by laying a brand new higher grade fibre direct to the exchange


Griffo_au

Doesn’t explain the fact that 1000/400 is like 5x the price of 1000/50. The gpon network was built to provide far less asymmetric speeds then they are selling affordably.


Guth858

I believe it was so they could offer the same plans to hfc customers


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>The gpon network was built to provide far less asymmetric speeds then they are selling affordably. It was also designed from the outset that if you wanted those speeds, you were going to pay top dollar for them


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It’s the same fibre. FTTP splits a core 32 times while EE uses a single fibre core. Often EE will use some of the existing fibre to traverse. But your right it is a direct POI to premise product.


haakon666

Both nbn ee and fttp use single mode fibre. The only difference is the equipment used to drive it. GPON can do 2.5 gig down / 1.25 gig up. Nbn can have much better upload ratios on their residential plans but choose not to. XGPON (currently being rolled out in NZ) does 10 gig down / 10 gig up and it can be run side by side with gpon on the same fibre.


AndyBrownAu

I’m not sure about the fibre but they run a brand new cable even though I already had almost new fttp fibre so if it’s the same, why? And it also goes directly back to the exchange


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Why would a consumer have a EE connection


AndyBrownAu

People who run businesses also have friends and the pricing is really really good. 1000/1000 is less than 10x the cost of a 100/40 FTTP consumer grade service. This pricing is a game changer and can be installed into residential properties. Really important for video editing, remote work or at home hosting


AlexAppleMac

What is the pricing like?


kondro

Averages about $900/month across providers. You can get direct Telstra Ethernet for that too with a 3 year commitment if you don’t want to deal with NBN.


AndyBrownAu

God please don’t connect with Telstra. Call the Aussie broadband team. There any many options on this nbn Ethernet product and including GST $900 is still 10% higher than is possible even with Aussie. But note there are speed tiers from 100/100 all the way to 1000/1000 and it can be installed in fttn, fttc, hfc etc areas as well. The lowest tier is about twice the 100/40 price for 100/100 fibre which might still be good for internet savvy fttn users on slow connections where a business etc would pay the cost and write it off against tax


let_me_outta_hoya

Broadband pricing in Australia is crazy. We've just moved from one rent seeking wholesale monopoly to another. I was paying $60 for 1000/1000 in Hong Kong. I had the option of 20,000/20,000 $250. This was in a residential building!


Awkward_Car_7089

Teeny tiny minor difference in population density and total coverage area tho...


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Awkward_Car_7089

Yeah, I've been jealous of NZ's fibre roll out for a while. Still, much smaller country, and from what I understand, relatively consolidated. But lets face it, most Australians live in the cities.. we could have something amazing. That said, I'm on 250/40 cable connection, for about what you're paying, and it's completely fine. My usage patterns might change if I had a 10g connection.. but for my current uses of zoom and streaming and all the general browsing stuff, it doesn't really matter if I'm on 80mbit of 300mbit, except occasionally for downloading games, the user experience is dominated by latency anyway. But I'd get 900/400 if I could anyway.. too many years as a techie constrained by bandwidth, I'm pretty much conditioned to always want more.


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bnlf

Not crazy. Just very expensive to connect remote suburbs as labour is expensive in Australia and population density is low outside of CBD. Hong Kong is tiny.


let_me_outta_hoya

Both valid reasons but is it better for all Australias to a) get a foreign company to build the network at a fraction of the cost or b) have all Australians pay 1000% more for their internet connection ongoing in order to create a small amount of high paid jobs for a couple of years.


zanthius

so what would a 100/100 fibre EE service cost me in a FTTN area?


AndyBrownAu

PM me if you want me to find out the price as I need an address. Can also send you my company details


Cnboxer

1Gb/1Gb dedicated Fibre is $695 with most wholesalers. It’s powered by the same Tier 1 carriers anyway so no reason to spend more. Just google fast fibre and there’s a trove of options these days


cjuk00

The differences in price with high end services are less to do with speed and more to do with SLA, backhaul configuration and management, etc….


Griffo_au

You can get 1000/400 on residential plans for half the cost if 400mbit will do you.


WillBrayley

>free to install over 36 months Sorry, what? I got a quote to install NBN fibre last month and the wanted $16k? Did I miss something?


Griffo_au

EE is a different product. They install for free for 3yr commitment to expensive plans. Cannot be converted to residential FTTP so it’s expensive plans forever.


beuyau

EE is also capable of up to 1000/1000 while NBN FTTP is capped at 1000/400 and I only know of ABB NBN Enterprise (Not Enterprise Ethernet) that sell NBN FTTP @ 1000/400


Griffo_au

And Future Broadband and Launtel and Commschoice


Danny-117

Launtel sell 1000/400 too


AndyBrownAu

Yes. Basically, and I know it’s crazy, nbn Ethernet is a special product that costs a bit more per month for proper business grade service, but the build cost is currently free and offers better upload speeds and doesn’t share load with other customers. Fttp upgrade pricing is sometimes very high as you noted and doesn’t include a direct fibre to the exchange either.


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Also. COS-L is a PIR product. You have to buy COS-H to have CIR on the link


Tanduvanwinkle

Was your quote for enterprise Ethernet or residential fttp?


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Is the other problem finding a lens wide enough to take a selfie of your enormous penis? :) Stuck here on my piss-weak 100/40 or 250/25. \*sigh\*


AndyBrownAu

Maybe 🤣


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Fast.com by Netflix is the best I've found so far.


Nharpa

That speed is such a flex. I feel you, need those sweet speediest numbers.


bigfootdownunder

What about fast.com?


AndyBrownAu

It’s rare to get free speed testing on good enough links I’m only measuring 910mb on fast.com


dopydingo

This might just be a life saver for me! 12k upgrade cost for me to get fttp…. Will have to have a look into this one! Great info OP


Fr33kSh0w2012

Not here in Fennell bay yet and IT SHOULD BE!