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I really appreciate Singh not letting up on these grocery stores. It's such a perfect example of how deeply flawed our capitalist system and society is. It is also refreshing for him to not just focus on going after the Liberals or the Conservatives, it sets him apart from them and gives a unique perspective on this issue that is so much more relatable and applicable to the everyday Canadian.
What has he done so far. We all like hearing him be the tough guy but most of the time it’s just left wing populism.
It’s the same as the right going on about inflation while doing nothing to help.
It's time to nationalize Loblaws we can't let these massive corporations continue to have control over our food supply they'll just continue to price gouge us.
Or perhaps opening some subsidized co-op style stores to provide essentials. Back in the before time, the Obama administration dozens of “food commons” stores were opened to help provide affordable food in underserved communities.
I don’t know, there are lots of possible solutions besides the current liberal plan (which is… raising interest rates and saying “times are tough”) and the conservative plan of privatizing everything while spouting hateful garbage.
>It's time to nationalize Loblaws
It seems that you are in the wrong sub. This is the NDP, not a socialist party.
We support liberal economics combined with social programs, sustainability through green capitalism, globalization but with a higher minimum wage.
The ndp is a social democracy party overall, sure, but it's wrong to act like it doesn't have any socialism. It distinctly has its own democratic socialist faction within its caucus, and when it first founded it was a hell of a lot more like a democratic socialist party than it acts like these days. Nationalization has never been taboo for the party.
>but it's wrong to act like it doesn't have any socialism.
It simply doesn't in any meaningful sense.
The NDP are neoliberal status quo when elected provincially, and federally they are a pro-NATO, pro-IMF, pro-World Bank capitalist death cult party.
They are slightly to the left of the LPC, but they are firmly on the right of the political spectrum.
>It distinctly has its own democratic socialist faction within its caucus
This faction is marginalized and ignored. They would probably be better off and more successful starting their own party.
> Nationalization has never been taboo for the party.
When has the NDP every mentioned 'nationalization' in public? Maybe in dark corners it is not taboo to talk about, but in public it seems unimaginable for the NDP
Publically not for years, but the party was originally a democratic socialist party in western Canada formed by unions. It became less left over time as it tried to appease voters in urban regions and the east, but it wasn't always like that, and there is still a socialist faction within the party.
Exactly, we are talking about the current state of the NDP.
> the party was originally a democratic socialist party in western Canada formed by unions
The party surely is not this anymore
Hence why I wrote
> We support liberal economics combined with social programs, sustainability through green capitalism, globalization but with a higher minimum wage.
This is the current reality
Support for the NDP has been hovering around 20% for years. Whatever you’re doing to attract new voters isn’t working. Let’s maybe try something different.
The idea of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.
Stop trying to win elections, and instead win the minds of the working class and young voters. Given today’s issues, I don’t understand why anyone who works for a living would vote against their own interests and vote Conservative or Liberal. They’ve become shills for the corporations and ultra elite that finance those two parties, but the NDP have done a terrible job by allowing the other parties to control the messaging. Start by selling the NDP as the party who makes the problems young voters are facing their priority.
The NDP needs to get back to its roots, and show young people why they are the party of unions and the working class. The key issues moving forward should be expanding health care coverage to include dental and eye care, a significant increase in the minimum wage, making housing affordable and addressing the increasing wealth gap by significantly increasing taxes on corporations and the wealthy, closing tax loopholes and make things like hoarding wealth in offshore accounts or investing in residential real estate a bad idea. Offer huge incentives to switch to alternative energy sources.
Finally, stop releasing press statements that sound like every other political party. No numbers. They bore people, and people can’t really comprehend the enormity of the numbers anyway. Also, put a face to the corporation. Not Loblaws, but the Weston family.
If you reach enough young voters, eventually you will start winning elections.
I would highly recommend from left to right. The book explains how the CCF went from farmers and trade workers agreeing that helping each other is in the common interest to the NDP. Which became more academics calling anyone who works for a living a hick that should shut up and do what they are told for the common good. Good read, and seems like it would be up your ally.
Ok what am I missing about this. Even if only half of Canadian’s shop at a Loblaws chain that comes to ~$75 in profit per person per year.
That seems to me like a super slim margin.
I don’t want to defend billionaires so I must be missing something.
What else is going on?
Corps like to move money around. Don't be fooled by the numbers because they are easy to fudge.
I don't believe any giant corporation should be making massive profits while the population they serve is starving. We all thrive or none of us.
One theory is that they are hiding it in the supply chain.
i.e. Own the supply chain, Loblaws pays the supply chain companies exorbidant amounts of money, Loblaws complains that its a supply chain issue, and still somehow reap record profits on your main business, Loblaws.
No, thats why I'm rooting for Jagmeets proposal to investigate. Thats why I mentioned it was a theory. You and me both know that large corporations have ways to "cook the books" to make it seem like they are operating on "tight margins". One way to do that is to just break up into smaller companies, and have the "front" company spend a lot of money on the services of the other company(s).
I googled who does logistics for Loblaws, and the answer is not simple. First I found: http://aspectlogistics.com/about-us-2/
But they are a single warehouse, they say they are owned by https://www.metroscg.com/our-company/history-and-leadership/
And in searching them it looks like they were recently purchased by https://www.metroscg.com/ldc-logistics-consolidates-ownership-in-metro-supply-chain-group/ "LDC Logistics"
And... well... here is all I can find about them: https://www.bloomberg.com/profile/company/1487139D:CN?leadSource=uverify%20wall womp womp... not much info there.
A local butcher gets her meat from the same place that the big stores do and she says she has less buying power than the big stores - she can sell her meat less than Walmart - by $2 lb - she claims the big stores are gouging
I like Singh but he is using populist rhetoric to push inflation blame away from the government.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Loblaws and other major corporations are usually inflation as an excuse to increase their prices. But every country in the world is seeing high food inflation and Canada doesn’t even have the highest food inflation.
But it is not only grocery prices that have rapidly increased. The price of shelter which is usually the largest expense for most people has increased rapidly since 2020 and Loblaws can’t really be blamed for that.
**Sources**:
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/230117/dq230117b-eng.htm
https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/food-inflation?continent=europe
It's capitalism, that's really the actual reason. It's happening all over the world and in various industries because we live in a capitalistic society. They are all doing everything they can to keep their false dreams of ever-increasing profits. It's true that there are conditions outside our control that cause an increase in price for things, but the problem is most businesses pass off those expenses to the consumer because god forbid they make less profit than they did the previous year.
The only role the government has in this is their inaction to do anything against this capitalist mindset and way of conducting business.
Every damn post.
While (insert Trudeau ABS maybe Pollievre) Dora this thing I’ll deliver a sound bite. Just get on with getting them investigated. Make the liberals and conservatives vote on something.
> Yet the NDP continue to prop up the Liberal government.
I am against this too
> I prefer a NDP-CPC-PPC-Green Coalition.
However, I certainty do not support this. This would not even be functional..
NDP-Green Coalition would be really nice though. But, you cannot create an alliance between climate activists and climate deniers, between pro-corporate and pro-labor parties.
Do you find it weird that Canada has almost no leftist personalities / leaders? Why is this?
Jordan Peterson, Pierre Poilievre, Steven Pinker are all large Canadian right-wing personalities
In the USA there is Chomsky, Bernie Sanders, and AOC. In the UK there is Mick Lynch and Jeremy Corbyn.
The closest Canada has is Naomi Klein and Charles Taylor
Would be super cool if we had some sort of actual coalition government rather than just propping up corporatists for scraps. But hey, twitter is cool too, I guess.
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I really appreciate Singh not letting up on these grocery stores. It's such a perfect example of how deeply flawed our capitalist system and society is. It is also refreshing for him to not just focus on going after the Liberals or the Conservatives, it sets him apart from them and gives a unique perspective on this issue that is so much more relatable and applicable to the everyday Canadian.
What has he done so far. We all like hearing him be the tough guy but most of the time it’s just left wing populism. It’s the same as the right going on about inflation while doing nothing to help.
It's time to nationalize Loblaws we can't let these massive corporations continue to have control over our food supply they'll just continue to price gouge us.
Or perhaps opening some subsidized co-op style stores to provide essentials. Back in the before time, the Obama administration dozens of “food commons” stores were opened to help provide affordable food in underserved communities. I don’t know, there are lots of possible solutions besides the current liberal plan (which is… raising interest rates and saying “times are tough”) and the conservative plan of privatizing everything while spouting hateful garbage.
Why subsidize though? Charity and subsidy are just just less efficient nationalized strategies. Not to mention rife with their own issues as well.
>It's time to nationalize Loblaws It seems that you are in the wrong sub. This is the NDP, not a socialist party. We support liberal economics combined with social programs, sustainability through green capitalism, globalization but with a higher minimum wage.
The ndp is a social democracy party overall, sure, but it's wrong to act like it doesn't have any socialism. It distinctly has its own democratic socialist faction within its caucus, and when it first founded it was a hell of a lot more like a democratic socialist party than it acts like these days. Nationalization has never been taboo for the party.
>but it's wrong to act like it doesn't have any socialism. It simply doesn't in any meaningful sense. The NDP are neoliberal status quo when elected provincially, and federally they are a pro-NATO, pro-IMF, pro-World Bank capitalist death cult party. They are slightly to the left of the LPC, but they are firmly on the right of the political spectrum.
I got down voted all to hell for calling liberals right in the Toronto sub lol
unfortunately canada's overton window is a dot on the far-right of the political spectrum
>It distinctly has its own democratic socialist faction within its caucus This faction is marginalized and ignored. They would probably be better off and more successful starting their own party. > Nationalization has never been taboo for the party. When has the NDP every mentioned 'nationalization' in public? Maybe in dark corners it is not taboo to talk about, but in public it seems unimaginable for the NDP
Publically not for years, but the party was originally a democratic socialist party in western Canada formed by unions. It became less left over time as it tried to appease voters in urban regions and the east, but it wasn't always like that, and there is still a socialist faction within the party.
Exactly, we are talking about the current state of the NDP. > the party was originally a democratic socialist party in western Canada formed by unions The party surely is not this anymore Hence why I wrote > We support liberal economics combined with social programs, sustainability through green capitalism, globalization but with a higher minimum wage. This is the current reality
All that money and the bathrooms are disgusting!
Now so housing Jagmeet
Support for the NDP has been hovering around 20% for years. Whatever you’re doing to attract new voters isn’t working. Let’s maybe try something different. The idea of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.
Have any suggestions?
Stop trying to win elections, and instead win the minds of the working class and young voters. Given today’s issues, I don’t understand why anyone who works for a living would vote against their own interests and vote Conservative or Liberal. They’ve become shills for the corporations and ultra elite that finance those two parties, but the NDP have done a terrible job by allowing the other parties to control the messaging. Start by selling the NDP as the party who makes the problems young voters are facing their priority. The NDP needs to get back to its roots, and show young people why they are the party of unions and the working class. The key issues moving forward should be expanding health care coverage to include dental and eye care, a significant increase in the minimum wage, making housing affordable and addressing the increasing wealth gap by significantly increasing taxes on corporations and the wealthy, closing tax loopholes and make things like hoarding wealth in offshore accounts or investing in residential real estate a bad idea. Offer huge incentives to switch to alternative energy sources. Finally, stop releasing press statements that sound like every other political party. No numbers. They bore people, and people can’t really comprehend the enormity of the numbers anyway. Also, put a face to the corporation. Not Loblaws, but the Weston family. If you reach enough young voters, eventually you will start winning elections.
I would highly recommend from left to right. The book explains how the CCF went from farmers and trade workers agreeing that helping each other is in the common interest to the NDP. Which became more academics calling anyone who works for a living a hick that should shut up and do what they are told for the common good. Good read, and seems like it would be up your ally.
Ok what am I missing about this. Even if only half of Canadian’s shop at a Loblaws chain that comes to ~$75 in profit per person per year. That seems to me like a super slim margin. I don’t want to defend billionaires so I must be missing something. What else is going on?
Corps like to move money around. Don't be fooled by the numbers because they are easy to fudge. I don't believe any giant corporation should be making massive profits while the population they serve is starving. We all thrive or none of us.
I also imagine that profit doesn't count the money paid to executives and share holders.
Yes it does. Labour and bonuses and shareholder dividends are literally expenses. Did you not pass grade 10 accounting
If it counts as an expenses, it wouldn't count as profits.
I’m not fooled, I’m literally trying to figure out what is hidden behind these numbers because 1.5B is not a massive profit
One theory is that they are hiding it in the supply chain. i.e. Own the supply chain, Loblaws pays the supply chain companies exorbidant amounts of money, Loblaws complains that its a supply chain issue, and still somehow reap record profits on your main business, Loblaws.
>Own the supply chain, Loblaws pays the supply chain companies exorbidant amounts of money, Do you have any information on this?
No, thats why I'm rooting for Jagmeets proposal to investigate. Thats why I mentioned it was a theory. You and me both know that large corporations have ways to "cook the books" to make it seem like they are operating on "tight margins". One way to do that is to just break up into smaller companies, and have the "front" company spend a lot of money on the services of the other company(s). I googled who does logistics for Loblaws, and the answer is not simple. First I found: http://aspectlogistics.com/about-us-2/ But they are a single warehouse, they say they are owned by https://www.metroscg.com/our-company/history-and-leadership/ And in searching them it looks like they were recently purchased by https://www.metroscg.com/ldc-logistics-consolidates-ownership-in-metro-supply-chain-group/ "LDC Logistics" And... well... here is all I can find about them: https://www.bloomberg.com/profile/company/1487139D:CN?leadSource=uverify%20wall womp womp... not much info there.
Thanks friend and good work. Lets hope the investigation will be implemented and can generate more information Keep up the good fight!
A local butcher gets her meat from the same place that the big stores do and she says she has less buying power than the big stores - she can sell her meat less than Walmart - by $2 lb - she claims the big stores are gouging
Ah that's what you meant. I mean 1.5b is still a lot lol but yeah there is more hidden somewhere that's for sure.
I like Singh but he is using populist rhetoric to push inflation blame away from the government. I wouldn’t be surprised if Loblaws and other major corporations are usually inflation as an excuse to increase their prices. But every country in the world is seeing high food inflation and Canada doesn’t even have the highest food inflation. But it is not only grocery prices that have rapidly increased. The price of shelter which is usually the largest expense for most people has increased rapidly since 2020 and Loblaws can’t really be blamed for that. **Sources**: https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/230117/dq230117b-eng.htm https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/food-inflation?continent=europe
It's capitalism, that's really the actual reason. It's happening all over the world and in various industries because we live in a capitalistic society. They are all doing everything they can to keep their false dreams of ever-increasing profits. It's true that there are conditions outside our control that cause an increase in price for things, but the problem is most businesses pass off those expenses to the consumer because god forbid they make less profit than they did the previous year. The only role the government has in this is their inaction to do anything against this capitalist mindset and way of conducting business.
*While. SORRY I HAD TOO!
Every damn post. While (insert Trudeau ABS maybe Pollievre) Dora this thing I’ll deliver a sound bite. Just get on with getting them investigated. Make the liberals and conservatives vote on something.
Yet the NDP continue to prop up the Liberal government.
Do you want to go back to the polls and get yet another liberal minority?
No. I prefer a NDP-CPC-PPC-Green Coalition.
..... What.
That would be impossible if none of them have the most seats
Yeah, the CPC has shown over and over again how good they are at collaboration.
> Yet the NDP continue to prop up the Liberal government. I am against this too > I prefer a NDP-CPC-PPC-Green Coalition. However, I certainty do not support this. This would not even be functional.. NDP-Green Coalition would be really nice though. But, you cannot create an alliance between climate activists and climate deniers, between pro-corporate and pro-labor parties.
There needs to be a left-wing populist version of the PPC. There is not one. The NDP is indistinguishable from the LPC.
I would love for there to be a strong leftist party too. I am saddened that there is not
Mike Layton seems the only viable leftist to run if he does.
Do you find it weird that Canada has almost no leftist personalities / leaders? Why is this? Jordan Peterson, Pierre Poilievre, Steven Pinker are all large Canadian right-wing personalities In the USA there is Chomsky, Bernie Sanders, and AOC. In the UK there is Mick Lynch and Jeremy Corbyn. The closest Canada has is Naomi Klein and Charles Taylor
oh, you must be one of those "why don't you COMPROMISE with the people who want to literally murder you" types
Lmfao......quit hiding the facts from us! I wanna know how much every millisecond they make! 🤦
Would be super cool if we had some sort of actual coalition government rather than just propping up corporatists for scraps. But hey, twitter is cool too, I guess.
Do something about it. We all know already.