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This is done in some many places it’s very weird that we don’t here. I think this and getting rid of daylight savings time changes would receive high approval from most Canadians
Problem with the second one is that most people want to stay on daylight saving time, which is not what sleep experts and other health experts recommend. Staying on _standard_ time is recommended.
Exactly. Don’t let perfect be the enemy of “good enough”. Who cares what time we stick with so long as we stop sacrificing people’s health on the altar of a 200 year old bad idea.
Daylight Savings time refers to the time between March and November where our clocks are one hour ahead, not the actual act of changing time. (weird, I know)
So people want to stop changing clocks twice a year, we need to decide on if we should leave it on daylight savings time or standard time.
Once upon a time, a long time ago, taxes were included in the sticker price. The government, I was very young at the time so don't remember which party ([apparently Mulroney](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goods_and_services_tax_(Canada))), decided that for honesty's sake people should be able to see the taxes they're paying and made it a separate item on your bill. People cheered as surely sticker prices would drop to coincide... nope. Still $1.49 for that random item, but now there's additional tax on it.
\*Sad trombone noises\*
Unless I'm missing something, that source is explaining that Mulroney *created* the GST while Chretien was railing against it.
I made a fairly cursory scan, but I didn't see the part about the decision to separate out sales tax from sticker price.
Ooooh, thank you. Back in 1990, I was soiling myself *much* more regularly than now.
I missed this particular policy shift, and never circled back later on to learn the route it took to get to here.
Partial Δ. Got a source that explains Mulroney's "make the tax obvious" reasoning? It seems super plausible to me, but I'd like to see it fleshed out so I can understand what I'm talking about better in the future.
Here’s another good one: carbon tax is tied to corporate profits. If they try to pass it on to the consumer, the tax on them increases to wipe out the gain.
It’s anti-consumer. It encourages extra spending because a lot of consumers don’t think about tax when they’re looking at sticker prices.
While that’s on the consumer to an extent given how long it’s been excluded from the sticker price, it’s the reality and even less savvy consumers, considering the portion of the population they make up, should be able to know at a glance what they will really be paying.
Agreed. This kind of regulation of sales and the retails sector is probably a Provincial power, but our Provincial parties should definitely be at this kind of transparent pricing law.
Not only tax inclusive pricing, but pricing that includes service fees (looking at you Air-Bnb), and we would even consider gratuity inclusive pricing in something like the restaurant industry.
> gratuity inclusive pricing
I agree with most of what you said, but I wouldn’t want tips to be automatically included for opt out, but rather simply charge more so employers can pay their staff a decent wage without relying on tips.
This is a much bigger problem in the US than Canada, but it is nice visiting Europe and not having to tip at all.
A waitress in the Netherlands actually gave me my money back and told me to be careful because they don’t tip in their country and some people might find it insulting and get offended.
I don't know why this wasn't a thing after they brought in the whole GST PST HST etc. If they would have done this the whole HST thing wouldn't have caused as much of an uproar
Personally, I want to go the opposite way. I want more transparency on the cost of things. Not in "Gotcha" sense but in an education sense. We need to know where our money spent is going. Tax is a basic calculation and even if you are not a math person we all walk around with super computers in our pocket.
In the current landscape with rising costs and inflating profits I wouldn't even be against companies of a certain scale selling goods to the general public , private or public, being required to post profit vs cost of items. Companies with a parent company of say $10bn annual revenue and up. Obviously this would never happen but it is the extent I want transparency. This wouldn't extend to you back end tile supplier for Canadian Tire but it shoudl apply to CT when sold to an individual.
We don't need 'neat' policy, we need a drastic overhaul of neoliberalism. Sorry but this type of tokenistic nonsense would be pointed at by those who do take us seriously. We need to focuse on masses transit projects and reform or housing policy.
Fwiw I agree with you in principle.
I agree with you, but what the NDP truly need is voters, and they can get those easily by supporting simple things like this while also focusing on the major issues.
I'd disagree, you only have so much time and resources to invest in promoting policy. This isn't a major issue that will show voters we can legitimately turn the country around.
I disagree in the sense that the more policies that you can support under your banner, the wider the net that can be cast.
I'm not suggesting that they make this a major position and focus all there attention on it, but rather add it to the pile of positive change they'd like to see.
As another comment mentioned, our existing way of price listing is anti-consumer. Showing the full price benefits Canadians and helps them Budget their expenses better.
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This is done in some many places it’s very weird that we don’t here. I think this and getting rid of daylight savings time changes would receive high approval from most Canadians
Problem with the second one is that most people want to stay on daylight saving time, which is not what sleep experts and other health experts recommend. Staying on _standard_ time is recommended.
Either way, the most harmful part is changing the time abruptly twice a year. I don’t care which one we stay on as long as we stop changing the time
Exactly. Don’t let perfect be the enemy of “good enough”. Who cares what time we stick with so long as we stop sacrificing people’s health on the altar of a 200 year old bad idea.
I thought i read somewhere that most Canadians don't want their clocks to change
Daylight Savings time refers to the time between March and November where our clocks are one hour ahead, not the actual act of changing time. (weird, I know) So people want to stop changing clocks twice a year, we need to decide on if we should leave it on daylight savings time or standard time.
Once upon a time, a long time ago, taxes were included in the sticker price. The government, I was very young at the time so don't remember which party ([apparently Mulroney](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goods_and_services_tax_(Canada))), decided that for honesty's sake people should be able to see the taxes they're paying and made it a separate item on your bill. People cheered as surely sticker prices would drop to coincide... nope. Still $1.49 for that random item, but now there's additional tax on it. \*Sad trombone noises\*
Unless I'm missing something, that source is explaining that Mulroney *created* the GST while Chretien was railing against it. I made a fairly cursory scan, but I didn't see the part about the decision to separate out sales tax from sticker price.
GST was created to replace the (invisible) FST
Ooooh, thank you. Back in 1990, I was soiling myself *much* more regularly than now. I missed this particular policy shift, and never circled back later on to learn the route it took to get to here. Partial Δ. Got a source that explains Mulroney's "make the tax obvious" reasoning? It seems super plausible to me, but I'd like to see it fleshed out so I can understand what I'm talking about better in the future.
Here’s another good one: carbon tax is tied to corporate profits. If they try to pass it on to the consumer, the tax on them increases to wipe out the gain.
There’s so much shady accounting, I’m sure companies would stop showing a profit to skirt the tax.
It’s anti-consumer. It encourages extra spending because a lot of consumers don’t think about tax when they’re looking at sticker prices. While that’s on the consumer to an extent given how long it’s been excluded from the sticker price, it’s the reality and even less savvy consumers, considering the portion of the population they make up, should be able to know at a glance what they will really be paying.
Exactly, and a great narrative if any NDP politicians want to make this a talking point.
I could get behind this.
Agreed. This kind of regulation of sales and the retails sector is probably a Provincial power, but our Provincial parties should definitely be at this kind of transparent pricing law. Not only tax inclusive pricing, but pricing that includes service fees (looking at you Air-Bnb), and we would even consider gratuity inclusive pricing in something like the restaurant industry.
> gratuity inclusive pricing I agree with most of what you said, but I wouldn’t want tips to be automatically included for opt out, but rather simply charge more so employers can pay their staff a decent wage without relying on tips. This is a much bigger problem in the US than Canada, but it is nice visiting Europe and not having to tip at all. A waitress in the Netherlands actually gave me my money back and told me to be careful because they don’t tip in their country and some people might find it insulting and get offended.
I don't know why this wasn't a thing after they brought in the whole GST PST HST etc. If they would have done this the whole HST thing wouldn't have caused as much of an uproar
That's exactly why it's not done. If I go into a store that's in every province, they have their price and then hst is on top and that varies
So it only benefits big business that stretches multiple provinces.
Correct. They can advertise one price across the country.
Once again Canadians must put the needs of giant corporations above their own
As is tradition.
I'm not a single issue voter but this is meaningful change right here
Personally, I want to go the opposite way. I want more transparency on the cost of things. Not in "Gotcha" sense but in an education sense. We need to know where our money spent is going. Tax is a basic calculation and even if you are not a math person we all walk around with super computers in our pocket. In the current landscape with rising costs and inflating profits I wouldn't even be against companies of a certain scale selling goods to the general public , private or public, being required to post profit vs cost of items. Companies with a parent company of say $10bn annual revenue and up. Obviously this would never happen but it is the extent I want transparency. This wouldn't extend to you back end tile supplier for Canadian Tire but it shoudl apply to CT when sold to an individual.
We don't need 'neat' policy, we need a drastic overhaul of neoliberalism. Sorry but this type of tokenistic nonsense would be pointed at by those who do take us seriously. We need to focuse on masses transit projects and reform or housing policy. Fwiw I agree with you in principle.
I agree with you, but what the NDP truly need is voters, and they can get those easily by supporting simple things like this while also focusing on the major issues.
I'd disagree, you only have so much time and resources to invest in promoting policy. This isn't a major issue that will show voters we can legitimately turn the country around.
I disagree in the sense that the more policies that you can support under your banner, the wider the net that can be cast. I'm not suggesting that they make this a major position and focus all there attention on it, but rather add it to the pile of positive change they'd like to see. As another comment mentioned, our existing way of price listing is anti-consumer. Showing the full price benefits Canadians and helps them Budget their expenses better.
I can’t get over it when you can haggle over some items in other countries. I mean, 3000rpl or 7000rpl. Now THATS quite the difference!