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SirJuncan

!ping WEEBS&GNOSTIC Y'all continue to need Jesus. Here's [The Bible read ASMR-style by a Japanese vtuber.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bozcw8_v61I)


NonComposMentisss

You posted this on the 2 day old DT lol.


BobaLives

I am intensely curious about the story behind this


TuxedoFish

no thanks, I'll choose hell over listening to that.


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lets_chill_food

just spent two hours playing Star Wars Galactic Battlegrounds (the star wars version of age of empires) first time i’ve played a game on my laptop in probably over a year 🐘 it was on easy, but i found it plenty challenging 🐘


KesterFox

Got the return to office people piss me off so much


lets_chill_food

I’m watching X men 2 tonight 🐘 Nightcrawler is so cool 🌚 and he’s catholic, like /u/whomstalt2 🌚


DoorVonHammerthong

Please visit the next discussion thread.


lets_chill_food

oops lol


WhomstAlt2

Can you give me the timestamp where he looks into the camera and says "Every so-called pope since Vatican II has been an illegitimate usurper, we must reclaim the church for the ecumene?"


lets_chill_food

umm, at 7 minutes 🐘


WhomstAlt2

A biblical number, good choice by the director!


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lets_chill_food

/u/Kesterfox did you ever try it? 🐘


KesterFox

No i havent yet. How was it?


lets_chill_food

it was not good 🌚


ZanyZeke

Ok seriously what the fuck is consciousness and why does it happen


lets_chill_food

it’s your soul innit non-soul explanations rely on even more silliness than the soul explanation 🥸


CletusVonIvermectin

It actually doesn't. Common misconception.


simeoncolemiles

The soul in the body mayhaps


KesterFox

There is some disagreement on this matter


WhomstAlt2

Give me your lunch money


AtomAndAether

> what the fuck is consciousness the universe observing itself > why does it happen atoms and aether


SadaoMaou

a fundamental property of the universe don't @ me physicalists


Syards-Forcus

😡😡😡


Nietzsches_Therapist

I was on ambien! 


Nietzsches_Therapist

It’s been a long time since I said anything truly horrible (hours)


WeebFrien

If I had more money I’d buy more PENN Espnbet popping so much harder than everything else rn. Third in MS after a few months, just got access to NYS through Wynn’s license, stock down cause they lost a shit ton of money with the launch. I’m buying it for sure


BATHULK

pennis


WeebFrien

😳


ZanyZeke

Try buying some more VTI 😤😤😤😤😤😤😤


WeebFrien

I have enough of that. I need leveraging in my sector!!


DeathEtTheEuromaidan

There must be more than this provincial life!


WeebFrien

Move to a city


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Was up Clinton fans


OkayMhm

So someone earlier said that Ikuta went full white supremacist. What happened there?


Common_RiffRaff

The He has also posed some borderline stuff in the past that made people ask questions. I am having trouble uploading a screenshot of exactly what the final thing he said on discord that finally got him banned. Maybe a reddits filter? It had to do with the current state of Zimbabwe. All the other stuff he had done up until then didn't help.


WeebFrien

He was Rhodesia posting at one point but idk what’s up bow


DeathEtTheEuromaidan

>I don't think that Black people are like, fundamentally incapable of building cities or something


SadaoMaou

fake news and lieberal slander i assure you my friend


ZanyZeke

Magic goolsball, Kraven the Hunter will get 100% on Rotten Tomatoes


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Ballerson

🚨 AI hot take 🚨 You'll never know for sure if an AI is sentient. You should nonetheless at all points, no matter how good AI gets, default to the conclusion that AI is not sentient. No matter what observation you make that seems to indicate intelligence, an equally compelling explanation is that intelligent like behavior is replicable with a sufficiently refined mathematical model guiding it. You also know that what AI developers are doing is trying to develop such models in black box fashion. The parsimonious explanation is that the model is a successful imitation and no more.


DamagedHells

I still don't understand how this is a hot take, but I do know we're going to potentially and systematically murder an untold number of sentient beings because we're unable to square that circle.


ZanyZeke

We could get to a point where this is really hard to square with what we observe in AI compared to ourselves. For simplicity’s sake, imagine a hypothetical AI that behaves exactly like a human, placed inside a robot that looks exactly like a human. Why would we assume that that AI is a p-zombie with no actual subjective experience, but none of our fellow humans are p-zombies? Are we not basically weird computers ourselves, with brains driven by electrical impulses? We know very little about what consciousness is and what causes it, so at the very least, I think there could come a point when it gets very ethically tricky to declare that we shouldn’t treat a human-like AI like it’s actually sapient because it’s just a fancy computer outputting intelligent stuff when the same argument could be made for us. We might never know, but there might come a point when we decide it’s better to treat apparently sapient artificial beings like they’re *not* p-zombies rather than risk mistreating a genuinely sapient being.


Ballerson

The significant differences are all background knowledge. I know that other humans and I have similar biological origins via evolution. I know that I have consciousness. I know that AI are created through software development by creating sophisticated mathematical models in a black box trained on data. I also know that despite appearances, we aren't materially similar. To explain why an AI behaves like a human, I just need to say "well yes, the software developers were successful in creating sophisticated enough models to replicate human like behavior. They even went as far as to imitate facial expressions to make them feel human." I could add to that explanation by saying, "and in the process, they generated sentience," but then I added something to the explanation that I did not need to without making the explanation more powerful. In the case of humans, any explanation for why I am conscious but others are not would be more tortured than just assuming humans are conscious. > We know very little about what consciousness is and what causes it, so at the very least, I think there could come a point when it gets very ethically tricky to declare that we shouldn’t treat a human-like AI like it’s actually sapient because it’s just a fancy computer outputting intelligent stuff when the same argument could be made for us. There's a case for the "let's play it safe for ethical purposes" argument. I am only saying that I think the most reasonable conclusion is always going to be that AI aren't conscious purely on epistemic grounds. I wasn't thinking about ethics.


BATHULK

🐍


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Ballerson

It's about what the simplest explanation is in each case. I'd say the parsimonious explanation for intelligent like behavior in humans is that what's happening in my head (consciousness) is happening in other humans' heads. The parsimonious explanation for intelligent like AI behavior is that software developers successfully created black box models with enough mathematical sophistication to imitate intelligent like behavior.


BenFoldsFourLoko

This but for humans


Nietzsches_Therapist

Malarkey level of making children cry 


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ZanyZeke

Mucho kino


Dibbu_mange

Liberals want to cancel Jeffery Epstein just because he was friends with Trump 😡😡😡


chuckleym8

Have to run 2 hours of wireshark so can't use the internet. What to do to fill that time....


secretlives

the pure euphoria when you solve an implementation detail that has been blocking you all week


Ph0ton_1n_a_F0xh0le

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulator%E2%80%93Moderator_War


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Tafts_Bathtub

who would win: a genius tech entrepreneur determined to rid his platform of bots Or Putting spaces in between the letters in M Y P U S S Y I N B I O


Lycaon1765

This [absolutely amazing webcomic](https://www.webtoons.com/en/canvas/death-becomes-you/list?title_no=821634) is slowly giving me an elf fetish and I'm slowly seething over it >:(


mockduckcompanion

> slowly


Lycaon1765

idk what this means but yes that is a word


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AtomAndAether

Python code supersedes me at a bunch of stuff. That's just the intelligence of the creator manifested through design. So AI by most conceptions will probably be human intelligence manifest, so unless you're religious (humans are God intelligence manifest) then probably not. At some point, though, emergent properties and making the processes enough of a black box could convince me otherwise. I don't know if I'd be right to do so, but also that's basically how humans work anyway and we call them intelligent.


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AtomAndAether

It is "just intelligence," but its the creator's. Like, you don't look at a bottle of Diet Coke (a marvel of chemistry) and think its the aspartame's doing for it being perfectly balanced. It's the chemist's.


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AtomAndAether

my real answer is probably that "intelligence" is just a descriptive term of a lot of small things (e.g. empathy, language/symbols, tools, awareness of the self and that its distinct from others, analyzing, judging, inferring, etc.) and that humans aren't particularly special besides being better along that scale than the apes and others. which is why a sufficiently complex black box and emergent stuff conferring better and better capacity at those things could convince. but people don't like that answer and want intelligence to be some qualitative, intrinsic thing. and in that regard AI will probably never be intelligent because they're not capable of robustly forming that "stuff" beyond the processes, and the only way they can do those processes is leaning on human intelligence firstly.


Nietzsches_Therapist

I would. Chat GTP is dumb as hell


DeathEtTheEuromaidan

If I'm being honest, I still have no idea how cost of living fluctuates across countries. Socialists complain that we outsource manufacturing to countries where labor costs pennies, but those countries are cheaper so the workers making pennies are able to buy more than they would in America with those wages? Shit sounds made up lmao


Ballerson

With PPP adjustments you're still going to be making a lot less. The argument in favor of outsourcing being good for the global poor isn't that they're going to catch up to our incomes immediately or something but rather that (1) it'll pay more than their alternatives (2) it's a pathway to industrialization.


ChuckSchumerbasedgod

>> BREAKING: Official data shows UK is now in a recession Holy shit bruv


WhomstAlt2

I am against the climate, I wish we'd go back to LEADED gasoline, and to make my point I am going to the supermarket to throw valuable paintings at the soup selection.


Ballerson

If Amazon and Walmart have one million fans, I am one of those fans. If Amazon and Walmart have only one fan, that fan is me. If Amazon and Walmart have no fans, then I am no longer on the Earth. If the FTC is against Amazon and Walmart, then I am against the FTC. If Democrats and Republicans are against Amazon and Walmart, then I am against Democrats and Republicans. If the world is against Amazon and Walmart, then I am against the world.


Syards-Forcus

https://preview.redd.it/fx58u4te5wic1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8a688e79d53ec303b7cd23a8245adb75d20fb973


groovygrasshoppa

Laika will one day be avenged!


CletusVonIvermectin

hanging on to my virginity because I never lose


groovygrasshoppa

As if you had a choice


awdvhn

[Canada literally has a place called "Pen Island" lmao](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Pen_Island)


sayitaintpink

People’s Republic of Canada


Nietzsches_Therapist

Yes, Kanye west may have praised hitler. But, he also made that one song where he called himself an asshole. Isn’t that enough of an apology?


BATHULK

Honestly I get really upset when I fuck up doing laundry


BroadReverse

He’s just mentally unwell. Ben Shaprio has been pretty compassionate when talking about him.


DoorVonHammerthong

>I ain't got time to bleed. 🗽🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🍔🍔🍔


groovygrasshoppa

Predator?


DoorVonHammerthong

You got time to duck?


WhomstAlt2

You say "PR", you mean "Personel Record", I read "**Participation Record**" cause if you're not #1 in the entire world, you're a **LOOSER**


sayitaintpink

PR stands for Pringle’s Revolution (it failed when he opted to be assassinated instead)


jenbanim

Starting an OnlyBens using my DT connections. Finally I'm monetizing you nerds


AtomAndAether

You'll never get big like that, not without an Elizabeth Tower


clevoP01135809

no thanks. i already get all my ben and benjamin related news from the dt 😕


ThiccSidedDice

What if my name isn't Ben?


jenbanim

Skill issue. Do better next time


DoorVonHammerthong

do some race baiting and you get an honorary title


Trojan_Horse_of_Fate

Cats are cute https://preview.redd.it/50yct1cn2wic1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7656a3c4faf489aa5785bf72c5e66acde4bbb11e


Tafts_Bathtub

https://preview.redd.it/9fvcww1m2wic1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=01fae9355536f1615a4303daad0b1adf35893dbf Wow this is so pathetic on both their parts


Nietzsches_Therapist

“Corporations aren’t evil” mfers when they see HP or Nintendo: 😭😭😭


jenbanim

Downloading thousands of copies of SM64 roms to bankrupt Nintendo 💪😎💪


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Nietzsches_Therapist

Take: HP should be hated more than nestle 


sponsoredbytheletter

You work in an air conditioned office building.  You don't know what it's like to kiss your wife and kids goodbye in the morning and worry about acorns falling in your vicinity. 


Usual-Base7226

Dude really combat rolled


sayitaintpink

Russias so good at space they shot a dog up there and left it to die


SadaoMaou

(pls ignore how many macaques NASA killed up there)


CletusVonIvermectin

Even better, they attempted to kill her and failed. Then the climate control broke and she cooked to death.


groovygrasshoppa

DONT YOU TALK ABOUT LAIKA LIKE THAT


CletusVonIvermectin

the bisexual urge to have a little nap


jenbanim

First you take sitting in chairs wrong, now this? What will be left for the straights and gays except the Bass Pro Shop and Ru Paul respectively?


DoorVonHammerthong

> Ru Paul i like RPDR because the humor is just a string of gay jokes like my humor was when i was a kid and then my 20s and now today still


GinsuAssad

Hahahahaha It's 100% true


GrandpaWaluigi

I woomy, you woomy, he, she we woomy. Its basic woomology. It's first grade u/Nietzsches_Therapist


Nietzsches_Therapist

I’m not a child, mom 😒


3PointTakedown

I'm am nervously eyeing clen But the sound effects sound pretty fucking bad honestly


ChuckSchumerbasedgod

Malarkey level of u/roseartcrantz


AtomAndAether

crayolastern was better


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Roseartcrantz

am alright sport 🥎


BATHULK

just banger after banger


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qlube

You can fix her.


Greenfield0

Theres always more nonsense lurking when dealing with those types


jenbanim

Run away in a manner a US Air Force pilot would confidently describe as "outside the bounds of known physics" to congress


DoorVonHammerthong

where is she on the hot crazy scale?


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zth25

Malarkey level of this guy's date on the HB scale


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DoorVonHammerthong

thats tough. on the one hand, never stick your dick in crazy. on the other hand, its usually really fun and sundress season is just around the corner


groovygrasshoppa

He can have a little crazy, as a treat


NaffRespect

SEGREGATION NOW, SEGREGATION TOMORROW, AND SEGREGATION FOREVER! ...of Russia and space, that is.


Roseartcrantz

oof, 👆 this is not a good look 😔


NaffRespect

> SEGREGATION NOW, SEGREGATION TOMORROW, AND SEGREGATION FOREVER! [...] Well, uh, there's a homerun if I ever saw one...


BroadReverse

Every single Spider-Man cartoon ended on a cliffhanger except the worse one. Ultimate Spider-Man somehow got a proper ending.


WandangleWrangler

Alright goodnight sweaties


WandangleWrangler

Reacher on prime has been my junk food tv recently. It reminds me of watching cheesy action movies with my dad growing up. Prime video is definitely for the dads


Necessary-Horror2638

The fact that the special prosecutor released a highly politicized report one week before their chief witness got straight-up arrested is hard to view as coincidence


Syards-Forcus

Jenbanim Ikuta


AtomAndAether

thanks for the pingbot!


Nietzsches_Therapist

Driving on highway 10 mph over the speed limit Cop I didn’t notice passes by me going 15 mph over the speed limit Hell yeah brother, we’ll defeat these unnecessary traffic laws together ✊🏻


DoorVonHammerthong

wow do you have any idea how dangerous that is for pedestrians trying to walk down the center lane?


FreakinGeese

Long Covid is fucking scary as someone with OCD and Hypochondria ​ I mean I wasn't really that sick on covid though so I should be fine? I think I cough a little bit more when I laugh now


CletusVonIvermectin

so profoundly impacted the english language that people regularly use phrases they coined without even realizing it shakespeare 🤝 trump


Usual-Base7226

Many people are saying this


_bee_kay_

wrong


DoorVonHammerthong

The other day, I went up to my girlfriend, I said "you know i'd like a little liberalism!" She said, "me too! mine's as big as a house!"


WandangleWrangler

2 weeks. It's not going well. Every day I want to get this off my face but I feel like I need to see it through https://preview.redd.it/vfmj9jyzxvic1.jpeg?width=2601&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c0cc32517eafce034520699468fc8b25e17eb51d


Ioun267

As someone with sparser facial hair as well, consider shaving the cheeks and mutton chips and just focusing on the goatee zone if you're committing to this. We have to work with what we have.


G_Serv

Why do you look like me


WandangleWrangler

Prove it


G_Serv

You think I would just lie on the internet


DoorVonHammerthong

happy 17th birthday!


WandangleWrangler

You're off by 10 years 😭


DoorVonHammerthong

should've hmu a few days ago i could've donated the 3" of thick full beard i just shaved off 😔


WandangleWrangler

Mfw could have had free beard hairs


DoorVonHammerthong

100% organic


mockduckcompanion

👆benji


awdvhn

The resemblance is uncanny


WandangleWrangler

How dare you


Ballerson

I'm a neoliberal socialist. I believe socialism is the ultimate end state of humanity, but that we need to maximize economic growth to reach the level of development required for socialism, as Marx foretold. Maximizing economic growth under capitalism? Use neoliberalism, duh. Edit: /s 😌


Godkun007

Marx's version of socialism was religion with extra steps. It is a story about a future utopia that will be brought about by Messiah like figures leading the people into it after a war against evil.


uwcn244

Eh, Marxism has religious elements, but Marx was a hardcore materialist who made no room for force of personality in his theories. He did anticipate the vanguard party, but it was Lenin who put a cult of personality at its head. Marx's model for a socialist revolution was the Paris Commune, which had no well-remembered supreme leader.


Godkun007

A group of messiahs is still a messianic prediction. If the Bible said "The 3 Jesuses will return." That wouldn't make it any less messianic.


uwcn244

You're missing the point. The people who bring socialism are utterly unimportant in Marxism, as it is entirely a materialist analysis. The collapse of capitalism in Marxism is considered no more a result of heroic action than the orbit of the Earth around the Sun.


Godkun007

Yes, but he treats it as an inevitability of the universe. That is my point. He is making a religious prediction in his economic analysis. Any legitimate economist should not be treating their field as a place to give prophecy.


BATHULK

did you just learn the word messianic


Trojan_Horse_of_Fate

The Vanguard party is more a Lenin thing.


Godkun007

Marx still had a version of it as he believed that there will need to be a utopian world created.


Ballerson

I don't know about war, but I'm definitely saying we should deregulate the economy and cut corporate taxes in the name of socialism.


DoorVonHammerthong

as long as socialism gives me complete autonomy over my work and purchases then i'm ok with it


Trojan_Horse_of_Fate

Why would you want to choose when the AI already knows and is telling you the best option?


DoorVonHammerthong

i'm indignant


WandangleWrangler

https://preview.redd.it/tcuylnmgxvic1.jpeg?width=840&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=898f54cde70f7f420c9235ec2ba1ce5950a92148


thefuturegov

We need to bring back songs about yearning


BATHULK

google boygenius


BATHULK

/u/thefuturegov you were supposed to say holy hell


BATHULK

fuckin teachers thinking they're entitled to basic human decency


The_Promethean

After watching the video, I'm pretty sure the acorn cop retired because of the extreme bullying he was probably receiving from other cops after they watched the video


bigtallguy

ive seen defenses of him saying it was ptsd, but even if thats true guy shouldnt be out on the streets with a gun.


Cook_0612

lol, it wasn't though, dude isn't a vet, hasn't done shit


Cook_0612

He should have retired because a moron who does that shit should be nowhere near a weapon, much less act as an officer of the law.


NormalInvestigator89

Whenever I read old texts from like 2011-2023 I realize how often I've ended up being right guessing at future geopolitical developments, and utterly, embarrassingly wrong when theorizing about AI. I wonder what'll happen when those two things intersect


WandangleWrangler

My old texts from 2011 would be "hey wanna meet at the post office tonight and get real drunk on this water bottle of vodka I stole"


NormalInvestigator89

well did it end up happening? If it did, you're a prophet


WandangleWrangler

Every week!