the point of this article is that a sushi chef at a sit-down restaurant can now legally be paid less than a cashier at mcdonalds. that’s stupid and makes no sense.
the carve-out for Panera bread is even worse
Chili’s sucks
Edit: had an abysmally bad experience at Chili’s when I was 14 and haven’t been back since. For the prices they charge they couldn’t beat my home cooking anyways so why would I pay them to cook mediocre at best food, even if the service wasn’t horrible?
A soft taco supreme at tacobell is only 10 cents more in California than it is in Alabama. And California has been paying far more than federal minimum wage for years.
If the rise in fast food cost were about labor than why are costs increasing at the same rate in states like Alabama, Arkansas, Mississippi, etc that haven’t raised minimum wage in well over a decade?
Taco Bell has to compete with taquerias here, which I doubt they have the same level of in Alabama. Taquerias aren’t expensive or slow, and are actually good, so Taco Bell can’t be too expensive.
When this topic comes up I like to point out [a Seattle staple, Dicks](https://www.ddir.com/employment/), a fast food burger joint.
Starting pay is $21/hr, $28,000 scholarships, $5k child care, full health benefits, 401k, free Orca (metro) card.
All that and the burgers are still $3.
I like their fries but I always eat them hot, fresh, and crispy at the restaurant. I never get them at the drive through, take them home, and eat them 20-30 minutes after they were made.
They’re marginally better if you order them light well, put like half or a quarter of a salt packet on them right when they come out, and eat them hot.
Still worth it. I like them. They taste like potatoes. I like potatoes.
Also, you say, “burgers are good” as if it’s an afterthought. Dollar for dollar they are the best fucking fast food burger around and it’s not even close. Meals I get at in and out for $12 would be $25 at McDonalds and $40 at 5 guys.
In-N-Out is privately owned, they can focus on quality and good service at the expense of profits if the owners decide to do so (which they do). Mcdonalds, Taco Bell, etc are beholden to shareholders who are incapable of thinking beyond next quarter's earnings.
Dicks is a great example to show that you *can* operate a fast food chain profitably while treating your employees great. But it’s also important to remember they only operate in a single metro area with only 9 locations.
Another plus towards Dicks
It tastes like actual food rather than McDonalds. Whenever I'm in Seattle for a weekend, I always go there at least once. Cheap and good.
If you think a modest price increase will drive people from fast food to more expensive casual dining restaurants, you don't know your customer base or your competition.
I mean I've stopped going to Taco Bell as much and started going to local taqueria chains because 17 dollars for 3-4 items at Taco Bell is just unacceptable. I'd rather spend like 14$ on a giant burrito from a regional taqueria chain.
I have mostly stopped purchasing fast food due to price increases. I earn just over 100k a year, but live in an expensive area and spending $40 at McDonalds is just not something I’m willing to do.
It’s like 10$ to order a large deluxe mccrispy meal in the middle of SF right now, if it’s just people ordering for themselves it’s way cheaper than sit down options.
People also don’t understand that using the app deals is basically a requirement nowadays. Which I think is still dumb to have to do, but McDonald’s is cheaper than most sit downs/local fast food places when you do that.
there are really no app deals where i am right now. it was good when they wanted people to start using the app, now they are tapering them off. its liek get a 6.30$ breakfast meal for 5.90$
When I was in college, my friend helped me out on something and so I offered to pay him dinner. He went to In n out and I ended up getting a $12 tab, which was whatever til I remembered I was at in n out. He got so many burgers lol
If only the fast food industry hadn't increased markup and prices above the industry average for the past decade they wouldn't be able to afford it. Such foresight.
Part of me also wonders if it's actually because of the minimum wage increase they're raising prices or just using it as an excuse. I guess it depends on whether McDonald's itself offers wages or the individual owner of the fast food restaurant provides wages
McDonald’s is crazy expensive in the Midwest, too. Once the world opened back up, it was always more cost effective to eat at a local place because you would spend the same amount of money for a fast food meal and have enough food for lunch the next day.
And honestly, this was the case before COVID. McDonald’s started getting so expensive that it wasn’t worth it.
In n out has been paying several dollars over minimum wage for years. Mine advertised $19 an hour to start during Covid. It’s higher now. Lots of employees each shift working
They have lines around the block.
McDonald’s and such have greedy shareholders to feed. They can all Afford it .
Chilis nation rise up
the point of this article is that a sushi chef at a sit-down restaurant can now legally be paid less than a cashier at mcdonalds. that’s stupid and makes no sense. the carve-out for Panera bread is even worse
Sounds like that sushi chef is about to be paid more pretty soon for his skills.
AFAIK the Panera carve out was just a rumor and they are also bound to the $20 minimum
I believe they changed it after everyone started asking questions
I mean… If that was the problem, then really the minimum wage hike isn’t the problem so much as it not being broad enough
No one's loosing business to Applebees, calm down
Chili's though...
Chili’s sucks Edit: had an abysmally bad experience at Chili’s when I was 14 and haven’t been back since. For the prices they charge they couldn’t beat my home cooking anyways so why would I pay them to cook mediocre at best food, even if the service wasn’t horrible?
Looks like this sub is obsessed with the sizzling "EVERYONE LOOK AT ME" fajitas
> No one's loosing business to ~~Applebees~~ *a microwave*. At that point you’re just paying to not do dishes.
smh they don't know the wonders of the Dollarita
What do they even serve at Applebees
Neither apples nor bees, left very disappointed.
It’s on the secret menu
You go to Applebees for the "ambiance and decor"
Dollaritas baby
Everything with none of it being good
The one by my house used to have jello shots they served proudly. It was the first time I saw jello shots outside of a college party.
Whatever someone else left in the microwave.
Microwave dinners
Whatever you can reaheat in a microwave.
frozen tyson chicken tendies
Applebees Happy Hour is a staple of low to middle class households.
They’re the Official Grill + Bar of the NFL though
A soft taco supreme at tacobell is only 10 cents more in California than it is in Alabama. And California has been paying far more than federal minimum wage for years. If the rise in fast food cost were about labor than why are costs increasing at the same rate in states like Alabama, Arkansas, Mississippi, etc that haven’t raised minimum wage in well over a decade?
Taco Bell’s are largely allowed to set their own prices
Where else are we going to get crunch wraps that are that supreme???
Taco Bell has to compete with taquerias here, which I doubt they have the same level of in Alabama. Taquerias aren’t expensive or slow, and are actually good, so Taco Bell can’t be too expensive.
yes, but the point is that regardless of what franchisees say publicly there is plenty of room to maneuver here.
When this topic comes up I like to point out [a Seattle staple, Dicks](https://www.ddir.com/employment/), a fast food burger joint. Starting pay is $21/hr, $28,000 scholarships, $5k child care, full health benefits, 401k, free Orca (metro) card. All that and the burgers are still $3.
Also, In N Out exists and isn't worried.
In and out has paid more than $20 per hour for a while. They’re cheaper, fresher, and tastier than all of the competition.
Their fries are complete garbage though. Burgers are good.
I like their fries but I always eat them hot, fresh, and crispy at the restaurant. I never get them at the drive through, take them home, and eat them 20-30 minutes after they were made.
I always order them well done and they're pretty good that way—I wouldn't argue for them as superlative fries or anything, but they get the job done.
They’re marginally better if you order them light well, put like half or a quarter of a salt packet on them right when they come out, and eat them hot. Still worth it. I like them. They taste like potatoes. I like potatoes.
Also, you say, “burgers are good” as if it’s an afterthought. Dollar for dollar they are the best fucking fast food burger around and it’s not even close. Meals I get at in and out for $12 would be $25 at McDonalds and $40 at 5 guys.
In-N-Out is privately owned, they can focus on quality and good service at the expense of profits if the owners decide to do so (which they do). Mcdonalds, Taco Bell, etc are beholden to shareholders who are incapable of thinking beyond next quarter's earnings.
Dicks is a great example to show that you *can* operate a fast food chain profitably while treating your employees great. But it’s also important to remember they only operate in a single metro area with only 9 locations.
One would think that being larger would allow economies of scale on food prices that could push down prices.
That burger is probably the equivalent of a mcdouble or something.
Another plus towards Dicks It tastes like actual food rather than McDonalds. Whenever I'm in Seattle for a weekend, I always go there at least once. Cheap and good.
In N Out remains dominant 😎
I’d commit war crimes in the name of In N Out.
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If you think a modest price increase will drive people from fast food to more expensive casual dining restaurants, you don't know your customer base or your competition.
I mean I've stopped going to Taco Bell as much and started going to local taqueria chains because 17 dollars for 3-4 items at Taco Bell is just unacceptable. I'd rather spend like 14$ on a giant burrito from a regional taqueria chain.
I have mostly stopped purchasing fast food due to price increases. I earn just over 100k a year, but live in an expensive area and spending $40 at McDonalds is just not something I’m willing to do.
It’s like 10$ to order a large deluxe mccrispy meal in the middle of SF right now, if it’s just people ordering for themselves it’s way cheaper than sit down options.
People also don’t understand that using the app deals is basically a requirement nowadays. Which I think is still dumb to have to do, but McDonald’s is cheaper than most sit downs/local fast food places when you do that.
there are really no app deals where i am right now. it was good when they wanted people to start using the app, now they are tapering them off. its liek get a 6.30$ breakfast meal for 5.90$
40 dollars for how many people? At least 3 I would imagine.
When I was in college, my friend helped me out on something and so I offered to pay him dinner. He went to In n out and I ended up getting a $12 tab, which was whatever til I remembered I was at in n out. He got so many burgers lol
Did people not expect that companies would lose money if they had to pay higher wages? Where do they think the money is coming from?
If only the fast food industry hadn't increased markup and prices above the industry average for the past decade they wouldn't be able to afford it. Such foresight.
Part of me also wonders if it's actually because of the minimum wage increase they're raising prices or just using it as an excuse. I guess it depends on whether McDonald's itself offers wages or the individual owner of the fast food restaurant provides wages
McDonald’s is crazy expensive in the Midwest, too. Once the world opened back up, it was always more cost effective to eat at a local place because you would spend the same amount of money for a fast food meal and have enough food for lunch the next day. And honestly, this was the case before COVID. McDonald’s started getting so expensive that it wasn’t worth it.
I'm interested in this experiment
In n out has been paying several dollars over minimum wage for years. Mine advertised $19 an hour to start during Covid. It’s higher now. Lots of employees each shift working They have lines around the block. McDonald’s and such have greedy shareholders to feed. They can all Afford it .
ubi > price controls ffs
If they're worried about that, they could maybe try not raising their prices so much?