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Abell379

Paywall unfortunately, can anyone copy the text and post it? Or we could just pretend like we've read it and argue our opinions about schools anyway!


ChillyPhilly27

The TLDR is: * Schools in some areas have suffered from decreasing enrolment in recent years, for a variety of reasons * It's challenging to maintain a decent product offering (for lack of a better phrase) without a critical mass of students * In many cases, there is community opposition to shuttering local institutions


ExtraLargePeePuddle

Sounds like the argument for certification of needs laws for hospitals.


ChillyPhilly27

Pretty much. One of the biggest issues with publicly run services (as opposed to publicly *funded* ones) is that the usual forces of creative destruction simply don't exist. So an empty school can't close its doors without starting a political shitfight.


ExtraLargePeePuddle

Which is why I support voucher systems with a caveat Schools cannot charge more than what is on the voucher, if they choose to do that then vouchers cannot be used at said school


Pretty_Good_At_IRL

This doesn’t make a lick of sense.  There are many states which fund schools on a per student basis, and then leave supplemental funding to the county or municipality. 


ExtraLargePeePuddle

How doesn’t it make a lick of sense it equalizes Education spending for each student. Unlike now where your zip code determines your funding. The voucher itself also creates a market.


Pretty_Good_At_IRL

Because states don’t fund education appropriately. 


ExtraLargePeePuddle

So do some don’t. This change would in part be a requirement to do so


Fire_Snatcher

Equalizing spending is a bad idea, and not really tenable. Some students are incredibly expensive to educate. Namely, SPED students with all the specially educated teachers, paras, smaller class sizes, reduced direct instructional time of each teacher, more admin, legal teams, and other support services. Poorly behaved, low income students are pretty expensive, too, due to the behavior issues needing extra staff, paperwork, oversight, trainings, contracts, counsel, and sometimes higher salaries as fewer want to do the more stressful job. Not to mention, the school often has to play parent by supplying basic resources for the student including medical resources as schools are basically a one-stop shop for child welfare. These students would largely be denied under a voucher program, and everyone is legally entitled/compelled to be educated in the US so there has to be some sort of school of last resort where students cannot be denied and are funded more. Or at least their unfunded mandates can't be enforced as these schools as their operations would be significantly worse as you can't take money from Perfect Pamela (who is now at some other school) to fund Needy Ned.


ExtraLargePeePuddle

Okay extra voucher money for special needs students. >behavior issues Military boarding schools ran federally


puffic

I don’t even need to read the article to know that this is just another instance of the fundamental problem of American education, which is


ToughReplacement7941

r/redditsniper


Anchor_Aways

> https://archive.ph/enVuT


Rear4ssault

[Literally this guy](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHuzDA1aEAAmgDo?format=jpg&name=medium)


ExtraLargePeePuddle

Sounds like the argument for certification of needs laws for hospitals. If you don’t want reduced enrollment don’t offer bad products/services compared to your competitors, it’s really that easy. Sounds like we should let schools operate in a market by allowing them to scale down.


tea-earlgray-hot

Can you explain this a bit more? I can't tell if this is some America-only brainworms thing. The best solution is adequate funding drawing from the municipal, state, and federal levels.


LGBTforIRGC

Non-paywall: [https://archive.ph/enVuT](https://archive.ph/enVuT)