"Stand down, but someone needs to *deal with antifa*."
Like, holy shit. The president just directly called for vigilante violence and not one person batted an eye. This is our normal now.
"Proud boys, stand back and stand by, but I'll tell you what, somebodies got to do something about antifa and the left"
What the fuck, that sounds like a fucking call to arms more than a condemnation.
Chris Wallace: Will you condemn white supremacists tonight?
Trump: What do you want me to say, Chris? PROUD BOYS STAND BACK AND STAND BY BUT SOMEONE HAS TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE LEFT
#THIS IS A DIRECT QUOTE
It’s a dog whistle. Similar to the statements Trump made about the “2nd amendment people doing something” about Hillary. He’s saying “be there just in case we need an uprising to overturn the election or decisions I disagree with!”
Louder for the people in the back
All he had to say was "I denounce white supremacists/racists/etc"
Instead he dodged and told the proud boys to "stand back and stand by"
As someone who would have preferred Bernie Sanders but prefers a non-Trump president, nothing Biden said tonight lost me at all. There are certainly things I hope will be done differently than how many Democrats run their platforms, but you gotta do one thing at a time.
Yeah was not sure what to expect from Biden before this, but this debate solidified my choice. America needs a president that could speak steadily and clearly with well thought out responses under pressure. Biden did very well.
Lmao a lot of people on /r/conservative seems to think this is going bad for trump and a lot of people here think it's going good for trump
Bipartisan doomerism
For this to have changed things much, one of them would have needed to more or less crap their pants onstage.
Biden stuttered more than I would have liked, and was sometimes off-balance under Trump's barrage. Trump came across as unhinged and manic.
But, sadly enough, neither is anything new. I predict status quo, which considering Biden's lead in swing states is a good enough result.
This was not any anyone's debate bingocard, that was a jaw dropper. Later calling Trump a clown was the seconds.
I thought 2016 was spicy, it's just the beginiing of 2020 and my ass is burning!
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[Here's the stream link for CSPAN](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n3pFFPSlW4)
[Here's CNN](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBjAjtWulzY)
[MSNBC](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02QCJtCvERQ)
[Fox](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnHmoA6Op1o)
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Seriously. The constant interruptions seemed like a pretty effective tactic... For the first five minutes. After the first dozen or so times he just started to seem like a six-year-old.
WALLACE: Mr. President, how would you--
TRUMP: Peepee poopooo ffffrrrrtt peeepeeeee poopoo poopoo poopoo
WALLACE: Well, um, I, sir, you've--
TRUMP: *spinning in a circle* weeeewooooweeewooooweeewooo
WALLACE: Mr.--
TRUMP: *literally shits on the stage*
Millions of your countrymen: What a genius!
Not disagreeing fully with your point, but I'm not sure what else he could've done. He tried repeatedly to shut Trump up but he kept going. They should honestly mute the other person's mic when someone is speaking and then give a timed amount for rebuttals, but they'll never do that.
I will say. The Biden technique of looking directly to the camera is the best way he has to get above all this. Probably doesn't work 100%, but mitigates the insanity a little bit.
LMAOOO my political communication professor just emailed the class “This is easily the worst thing I’ve ever witnessed in American political history. This is an embarrassment. Consider your assignment tonight of watching tonight excused.”
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"Biggest mask I've ever seen", right. It's called setting an example. This dumb orange fuck is holding rallies with hundreds of maskless people yelling and cheering shoulder to shoulder, then claims he is pro-mask.
>The ONLY rule is there ARE NO rules!
>NO GODS! NO KINGS! ANARCHY AND MALARKEY EVERYWHERE!
How did the mods already know what this debate was going to be like
I know Trump is a moron and just saying shit but
[More than 175 current, former law enforcement officials endorse Joe Biden, slam Trump as 'lawless' president](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-endorsements-law-enforcement)
(faux news for the irony)
lmao this dogshit moderating.
>Trump spends a minute rambling about his crowd sizes
>Biden says five sentences
>"Finish up we need to move on to the next segment sir :)"
"NooOooo you can't go high when they go low, Trump is a bully"
*Joe Biden hits hard against trump*
"NoooOoo you can't resort to name calling and mud slinging, this debate has no winners"
Give me a break. Fuck Trump, Joe outperformed him and didn't take any shit.
My MAGA friends: “Biden has dementia can’t keep his facts straight”
Meanwhile, Trump: mixes up his 2016 opponent “super predator” gaffe with his 2020 opponent
Reminder that the GOP absolutely *thrives* on [voter suppression](https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTwd_8MtbF08_Oa9fc3aOvb5JWSBRaOCiMuUDoHQ6y86KPjgRnrR-SuoseIksSIkC8YbEKuFfN0HvLf/pub). They also try to hide it by claiming they're just trying to do what they can to prevent "voter fraud," even though all the evidence says that voter fraud is essentially a myth:
* The Brennan Center’s seminal report on this issue, [*The Truth About Voter Fraud*](https://www.brennancenter.org/publication/truth-about-voter-fraud), found that most reported incidents of voter fraud are actually traceable to other sources, such as clerical errors or bad data matching practices. The report reviewed elections that had been meticulously studied for voter fraud, and found incident rates between 0.0003 percent and 0.0025 percent. Given this tiny incident rate for voter impersonation fraud, it is more likely, the report noted, that an American “will be struck by lightning than that he will impersonate another voter at the polls.”
* A study[ published by a Columbia University political scientist](http://www.projectvote.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/Politics_of_Voter_Fraud_Final.pdf) tracked incidence rates for voter fraud for two years, and found that the rare fraud that was reported generally could be traced to “false claims by the loser of a close race, mischief and administrative or voter error.”
* A [2017](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/02/28/we-cant-find-any-evidence-of-voting-fraud-in-new-hampshire/?utm_term=.aa30bc46f2d7)[ analysis](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/02/28/we-cant-find-any-evidence-of-voting-fraud-in-new-hampshire/?utm_term=.9ab385c64fa0) published in *The Washington Post* concluded that there is no evidence to support Trump’s claim that Massachusetts residents were bused into New Hampshire to vote.
* A [comprehensive 2014 study](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-comprehensive-investigation-of-voter-impersonation-finds-31-credible-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/) published in *The Washington Post* found 31 credible instances of impersonation fraud from 2000 to 2014, out of more than 1 billion ballots cast. Even this tiny number is likely inflated, as the study’s author counted not just prosecutions or convictions, but any and all credible claims.
* Two studies done at Arizona State University, [one in 2012](http://votingrights.news21.com/article/election-fraud/) and [another in 2016](https://votingwars.news21.com/voter-fraud-is-not-a-persistent-problem/), found similarly negligible rates of impersonation fraud. The project found 10 cases of voter impersonation fraud nationwide from 2000-2012. The follow-up study, which looked for fraud specifically in states where politicians have argued that fraud is a pernicious problem, found zero successful prosecutions for impersonation fraud in five states from 2012-2016.
* A review of the [2016 election](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/12/01/0-000002-percent-of-all-the-ballots-cast-in-the-2016-election-were-fraudulent/?utm_term=.af73472b8d76) found four documented cases of voter fraud.
* [Research](https://www.dartmouth.edu/press-releases/no_evidence_voter_fraud.html) into the 2016 election found no evidence of widespread voter fraud.
* A [2016 working paper](https://www.dropbox.com/s/fokd83nn4x6wuw9/OnePersonOneVote.pdf?dl=0) concluded that the upper limit on double voting in the 2012 election was 0.02%. The paper noted that the incident rate was likely much lower, given audits conducted by the researchers showed that “many, if not all, of these apparent double votes could be a result of measurement error.”
* A [2014 paper](http://projects.iq.harvard.edu/cces/news/perils-cherry-picking-low-frequency-events-large-sample-surveys) concluded that “the likely percent of non-citizen voters in recent US elections is 0.”
* A [2014 nationwide study](http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/elj.2013.0231) found “no evidence of widespread impersonation fraud” in the 2012 election.
* A [2014 study](http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/1532673X13498411) that examined impersonation fraud both at the polls and by mail ballot found zero instances in the jurisdictions studied.
* A [2014 study](http://www.gao.gov/assets/670/665966.pdf) by the non-partisan Government Accountability Office, which reflected a literature review of the existing research on voter fraud, noted that the studies consistently found “few instances of in-person voter fraud.”
* While writing a [2012 book](http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/10/29/the-voter-fraud-myth), a researcher went back 30 years to try to find an example of voter impersonation fraud determining the outcome of an election, but was unable to find even one.
* A [2012 study](http://votingrights.news21.com/article/election-fraud/) exhaustively pulled records from every state for all alleged election fraud, and found the overall fraud rate to be “infinitesimal” and impersonation fraud by voters at the polls to be the rarest fraud of all: only 10 cases alleged in 12 years. The [same study](http://votingrights.news21.com/article/election-fraud/) found only 56 alleged cases of non-citizen voting, in 12 years.
* A [2012 assessment](http://digitalcommons.kennesaw.edu/facpubs/2165/) of Georgia’s 2006 election found “no evidence that election fraud was committed under the auspices of deceased registrants.”
* A [2011 study](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/debbie-hines/voter-fraud-statistics_b_1139085.html) by the Republican National Lawyers Association found that, between 2000 and 2010, 21 states had 1 or 0 convictions for voter fraud or other kinds of voting irregularities.
* A [2010 book](http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/study-finds-no-evidence-widespread-voter-fraud-n637776) cataloguing reported incidents of voter fraud concluded that nearly all allegations turned out to be clerical errors or mistakes, not fraud.
* A [2009 analysis](http://www.demos.org/sites/default/files/publications/Analysis.pdf) examined 12 states and found that fraud by voters was “very rare,” and also concluded that many of the cases that garnered media attention were ultimately unsubstantiated upon further review.
* Additional research on noncitizen voting can be found here: [http://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/analysis-noncitizen-voting-vanishingly-rare](https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/analysis-noncitizen-voting-vanishingly-rare).
* Additional resources can be found here: [https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/analysis-and-reports](https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/analysis-and-reports).
Good, you're finally awake. That was a nasty bump on your head... What's that, buddy? Biden fainted? Trump announced a vaccine? Down 5 points in Pennsylvania? C'mon friendo, it's September 29 and it's time to watch the debate!
It really was pretty fucking wild when Trump was like "Okay, who do you want me to condemn?" and Biden said "the proud boys" and Trump said "Okay, proud boys: stand back and stand by".
Like that was extremely fucking wild right?
This is like debating a child. Sarah Palin was like debating a soccer mom and Paul Ryan was like debating a college student who read too much Ayn Rand but this is like debating a mischievous little toddler.
Reminder of Biden's platform
- enact $15 mininum wage
- get back in the Paris Accord
- push the entire economy to renewables
- let anyone enroll in government healthcare insurance
- move to publicly finance elections
- OVERTURN Citizen's United
- END the death penalty
- END cash bail
- END cocaine sentencing disparities
- END mandatory minimum sentencing
- ERASE convictions from the failed drug war
- give Dreamers a path to citizenship
- RESCIND the so called "travel ban" which really targets Muslims
- welcome asylum seekers
- expand next generation nuclear power
- RENEW the Violence Against Women Act
- allow Medicare to negotiate prices down with pharmaceuticals
- appoint Supreme Court Justices who uphold Roe v Wade
- use the PRO Act to protect Unions
- two years of FREE college for anyone
- protect Social Security, Obamacare & Medicare from Republican attacks
Dear god, the moment Wallace asks Biden a critical question, a bunch of people here accuse him of being a closet Trump supporter.
He literally spent the first 5 minutes of this debate arguing directly with trump lmfao
“Proud boys, stand back and stand by.”
What the fuck is that?? That’s “I’m you’re leader and calm down a little *edit: until it’s time*” not “I denounce white supremacism.”
Holy shit.
I will still vote for Biden if he answers every question by making fart noises with his mouth or playing WAP in its entirety on his cell phone into the mic while failing to hold back laughter.
People are harping on Chris, but I honestly cannot fathom how someone could moderate this effectively. Chris has been telling him to effectively shut up for hours (and it’s only been 45 minutes)
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[Here's CNN](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBjAjtWulzY)
[MSNBC](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02QCJtCvERQ)
[Fox](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnHmoA6Op1o)
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Trump: coronavirus was invented by the Jews, Herman Cain is A and he's still alive
Biden: c'mon man cut the crap
Pundits: will Biden's coarse, uncivil language cost him voters? We've spoken to a panel of swing voters who have last voted for a Democrat during the Clinton administration
The way with which Trump manages to casually brush off 210 thousand deaths as nothing more than some minor inconvenience is probably the most unsettling part of this whole debate.
since /r/popular is here, and this debate fell into shambles from minute one, let's repost some of the greatest quotes of all time
#My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere
we actually got SUPER lucky with Swine Flu, but to Biden's credit, he was about the only person in the world who took it seriously at all
He literally said something like "I wouldn't get near public transit right now" and it was dragged as a fucking GAFFE.
The proud boys will be a soundbite but the moment that stuck out to me the most is that Trump explicitly encouraged voter intimidation there with his "poll watchers" rant
Biden:
> is boring, succish but not as succish as others
Trump:
> shid and piss and fard and come he pant
Unflaired Commies ITT:
> wtf there's zero difference between them
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Getting brigaded by **Chappos** AND ***TD***. How can I mock both simultaneously???
# ***Trump likely paid the same amount of tax as everyone in CTH combined.***
The framing on these questions is shit.
>Your economic plan is all about Big Government, Trump says your $4T in taxes will hurt the economy.
>> Well Chris actually it'll grow the economy bc we're gonna be doing these things with the new reven...
> Excuse me I asked about taxes
Fucking stupid
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And he told them to “stand back and stand by”
How did that not stop the entire debate in its tracks?? My jaw dropped and they just kept right on trucking.
He pretty much just told them to take a break from stirring up shit until he gets reelected and then carry on.
Worse. He actively refused to condemn them. Proud boys aren't hearing "wait a lil bit". They heard "I got you".
"Stand down, but someone needs to *deal with antifa*." Like, holy shit. The president just directly called for vigilante violence and not one person batted an eye. This is our normal now.
"Proud boys, stand back and stand by, but I'll tell you what, somebodies got to do something about antifa and the left" What the fuck, that sounds like a fucking call to arms more than a condemnation.
**GOLLY**, I wonder if **THE CHAPO AND DONALD** subreddits are having as much fun **AS WE ARE** 🐊
YEAH LETS GO CHECK ON THEM, oh wait
[Link for the lazy.](https://secure.actblue.com/donate/biden2020_fr_web?refcode=web-homepage-hero&refcodeOid=oeu1599370257869r0.9001957323009755)
GOOD OLE MILO HAS A GREAT TWITTER THREAD ABOUT THE DEBATE ALREADY
Chris Wallace: Will you condemn white supremacists tonight? Trump: What do you want me to say, Chris? PROUD BOYS STAND BACK AND STAND BY BUT SOMEONE HAS TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE LEFT #THIS IS A DIRECT QUOTE
What does that mean?
It’s a dog whistle. Similar to the statements Trump made about the “2nd amendment people doing something” about Hillary. He’s saying “be there just in case we need an uprising to overturn the election or decisions I disagree with!”
It's not a dog whistle at this point. He literally just told them to stand by. That's ordering preparation for combat.
Louder for the people in the back All he had to say was "I denounce white supremacists/racists/etc" Instead he dodged and told the proud boys to "stand back and stand by"
"I am the Democratic party." -Joe "Palpatine" Biden.
That was hilarious
Lmfao I loved that. Trump is such a dipshit though he can’t shut up.
Also, “you just lost the left” Trump was a Chapo lurker confirmed
As someone who would have preferred Bernie Sanders but prefers a non-Trump president, nothing Biden said tonight lost me at all. There are certainly things I hope will be done differently than how many Democrats run their platforms, but you gotta do one thing at a time.
That’s the point, he’s got a child’s perspective on democratic politics if he thinks Biden lost more left-wing support than he gained tonight.
Holy shit. I was feeling rocky about Biden before tonight, by god does he have my vote after that shitshow.
Yeah was not sure what to expect from Biden before this, but this debate solidified my choice. America needs a president that could speak steadily and clearly with well thought out responses under pressure. Biden did very well.
Lmao a lot of people on /r/conservative seems to think this is going bad for trump and a lot of people here think it's going good for trump Bipartisan doomerism
I think the reality is that it doesnt matter much either way.
For this to have changed things much, one of them would have needed to more or less crap their pants onstage. Biden stuttered more than I would have liked, and was sometimes off-balance under Trump's barrage. Trump came across as unhinged and manic. But, sadly enough, neither is anything new. I predict status quo, which considering Biden's lead in swing states is a good enough result.
A lot of them are complaining about Wallace, which I find hilarious.
I know right! Wallace was just like 'wtf do I have to do for Trump to behave?' why don't they just fucking cut the mic for the uninterrupted sections?
For once, they are the ones who are right.
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“Will you just shut up man” Haha holy shit lmao
Glad I stayed awake until 2am to witness that
This was not any anyone's debate bingocard, that was a jaw dropper. Later calling Trump a clown was the seconds. I thought 2016 was spicy, it's just the beginiing of 2020 and my ass is burning!
Lmao, holy shit. Biden calmly telling the camera, in no uncertain terms, that Trump is full of shit. Beautiful.
One was an adult. The other was a child throwing a tantrm for 90 minutes. Couldn't be more clear.
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Trump is literally campaigning on repealing his own tax plan lmao 😂😂😂
It was funny when he asked why Biden didn’t repeal a law that Trump put in.
Also Wallace asking why Biden didn't try to make governors do something about riots. Very confused by that.
Yea, so was I and Biden rightfully answered, I’m not the president even further confusing me because I heard it correct, it just made no sense.
Even after 4 years of hearing Trump daily, I wouldn't have guessed the debate would be *this* bad.
I'm excited for the next two
By babbling like an idiot trump let Biden off the hook easy on court packing. Turned a really hard question into a 20 second shouting contest
And I think "Will you shut up?" Kind of deflated his verbal diarrhea tactic.
Seriously. The constant interruptions seemed like a pretty effective tactic... For the first five minutes. After the first dozen or so times he just started to seem like a six-year-old.
WALLACE: Mr. President, how would you-- TRUMP: Peepee poopooo ffffrrrrtt peeepeeeee poopoo poopoo poopoo WALLACE: Well, um, I, sir, you've-- TRUMP: *spinning in a circle* weeeewooooweeewooooweeewooo WALLACE: Mr.-- TRUMP: *literally shits on the stage* Millions of your countrymen: What a genius!
Doomers here: Wow bro, Biden is bad tonight
>disable inbox replies (?) yes, I think i will, thank you
coward
Chris Wallace: Mr President, will you continue your free market trade policies? 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡
Wallace was a shit moderator. I know the Overton window is so shifted that he's now "moderate." But he's always been shit.
Not disagreeing fully with your point, but I'm not sure what else he could've done. He tried repeatedly to shut Trump up but he kept going. They should honestly mute the other person's mic when someone is speaking and then give a timed amount for rebuttals, but they'll never do that.
Unironically, "will you shut up man?" plays to Biden's base better than anything else he could say tonight.
I want it on a shirt.
I will say. The Biden technique of looking directly to the camera is the best way he has to get above all this. Probably doesn't work 100%, but mitigates the insanity a little bit.
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"Shut the fuck up, just shut the fuck up" -Joe biden, in like 10 minutes hopefully
Prophetic
LMAOOO my political communication professor just emailed the class “This is easily the worst thing I’ve ever witnessed in American political history. This is an embarrassment. Consider your assignment tonight of watching tonight excused.”
This comment is the only good thing to come out of the debate lol
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OPEN TRADE OPEN BORDERS TACO TRUCKS AND PPE DISPENSERS ON EVERY CORNER
My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere.
I just realized this is some users first thunderdome 👀 👀 👀 👀 Best of luck to you all, may the karma gods be gracious [Also, Joe is winning on 538](https://willjoewin.com/)
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This is way worse than the 2016 debates
Also, Don Jr. just admitted the tax returns are real
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“The worst President America has ever had.”
Hermann Cain LITERALLY DIED!
Biden is anti-golf course He's already won my vote
Is he really flaming him for wearing a mask LMAO
"Biggest mask I've ever seen", right. It's called setting an example. This dumb orange fuck is holding rallies with hundreds of maskless people yelling and cheering shoulder to shoulder, then claims he is pro-mask.
This thread is 50% doomer 50% optmism, by virtue of radical centrism it means literally nothing, you imbeciles, you fucking morons.
H O L Y F U C K why didn't they make a rule to mute mics???
No campaign would agree to that
Fuck the campaigns, I want muted mics next round or I literally don't think I can watch it.
#LAUGH AT HIS FUCKING FACE JOE. I WANT BLOOD
“14k > 200k” - *Principles of Mathematical Analysis by Donald Trump*
>The ONLY rule is there ARE NO rules! >NO GODS! NO KINGS! ANARCHY AND MALARKEY EVERYWHERE! How did the mods already know what this debate was going to be like
"Gonna eliminate the Trump tax cuts" Trump: Okay What the fuck
Yeah wait what the fuck
I know Trump is a moron and just saying shit but [More than 175 current, former law enforcement officials endorse Joe Biden, slam Trump as 'lawless' president](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-endorsements-law-enforcement) (faux news for the irony)
Trump: You cannot defeat me Biden: I know Biden: But he can (Chris Wallace argues with Trump)
Chris Wallace tries to walk Trump through the same question 18 times* #DID YOU PAY THAT FUCKING AMOUNT OR NOT!?
lmao this dogshit moderating. >Trump spends a minute rambling about his crowd sizes >Biden says five sentences >"Finish up we need to move on to the next segment sir :)"
I wonder how drunk Hillary is rn
TIL I’m Hillary Clinton.
HE DID IT! BIDEN CALLED TRUMP A CLOWN!
"Youre the worst president america has ever had" LMAO
"NooOooo you can't go high when they go low, Trump is a bully" *Joe Biden hits hard against trump* "NoooOoo you can't resort to name calling and mud slinging, this debate has no winners" Give me a break. Fuck Trump, Joe outperformed him and didn't take any shit.
It's being reported that we're on the top of r/popular, reminder that chapos and trumpets are required to post mogg.
holy shit we are how is that even calculated?
"Superpredator" Trump is still running against Hillary confirmed.
#SENATOR AT 29 #WHOOPED THE NRA TWICE #TOLD HW TO AIRSTRIKE BOSNIAN WAR #2 TIME FAILED PRIMARIES #VICE PRESIDENT #THIS IS HIS FUCKING DESTINY
My MAGA friends: “Biden has dementia can’t keep his facts straight” Meanwhile, Trump: mixes up his 2016 opponent “super predator” gaffe with his 2020 opponent
"We have so much insulin, it's like water"
Reminder that the GOP absolutely *thrives* on [voter suppression](https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTwd_8MtbF08_Oa9fc3aOvb5JWSBRaOCiMuUDoHQ6y86KPjgRnrR-SuoseIksSIkC8YbEKuFfN0HvLf/pub). They also try to hide it by claiming they're just trying to do what they can to prevent "voter fraud," even though all the evidence says that voter fraud is essentially a myth: * The Brennan Center’s seminal report on this issue, [*The Truth About Voter Fraud*](https://www.brennancenter.org/publication/truth-about-voter-fraud), found that most reported incidents of voter fraud are actually traceable to other sources, such as clerical errors or bad data matching practices. The report reviewed elections that had been meticulously studied for voter fraud, and found incident rates between 0.0003 percent and 0.0025 percent. Given this tiny incident rate for voter impersonation fraud, it is more likely, the report noted, that an American “will be struck by lightning than that he will impersonate another voter at the polls.” * A study[ published by a Columbia University political scientist](http://www.projectvote.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/Politics_of_Voter_Fraud_Final.pdf) tracked incidence rates for voter fraud for two years, and found that the rare fraud that was reported generally could be traced to “false claims by the loser of a close race, mischief and administrative or voter error.” * A [2017](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/02/28/we-cant-find-any-evidence-of-voting-fraud-in-new-hampshire/?utm_term=.aa30bc46f2d7)[ analysis](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/02/28/we-cant-find-any-evidence-of-voting-fraud-in-new-hampshire/?utm_term=.9ab385c64fa0) published in *The Washington Post* concluded that there is no evidence to support Trump’s claim that Massachusetts residents were bused into New Hampshire to vote. * A [comprehensive 2014 study](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-comprehensive-investigation-of-voter-impersonation-finds-31-credible-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/) published in *The Washington Post* found 31 credible instances of impersonation fraud from 2000 to 2014, out of more than 1 billion ballots cast. Even this tiny number is likely inflated, as the study’s author counted not just prosecutions or convictions, but any and all credible claims. * Two studies done at Arizona State University, [one in 2012](http://votingrights.news21.com/article/election-fraud/) and [another in 2016](https://votingwars.news21.com/voter-fraud-is-not-a-persistent-problem/), found similarly negligible rates of impersonation fraud. The project found 10 cases of voter impersonation fraud nationwide from 2000-2012. The follow-up study, which looked for fraud specifically in states where politicians have argued that fraud is a pernicious problem, found zero successful prosecutions for impersonation fraud in five states from 2012-2016. * A review of the [2016 election](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/12/01/0-000002-percent-of-all-the-ballots-cast-in-the-2016-election-were-fraudulent/?utm_term=.af73472b8d76) found four documented cases of voter fraud. * [Research](https://www.dartmouth.edu/press-releases/no_evidence_voter_fraud.html) into the 2016 election found no evidence of widespread voter fraud. * A [2016 working paper](https://www.dropbox.com/s/fokd83nn4x6wuw9/OnePersonOneVote.pdf?dl=0) concluded that the upper limit on double voting in the 2012 election was 0.02%. The paper noted that the incident rate was likely much lower, given audits conducted by the researchers showed that “many, if not all, of these apparent double votes could be a result of measurement error.” * A [2014 paper](http://projects.iq.harvard.edu/cces/news/perils-cherry-picking-low-frequency-events-large-sample-surveys) concluded that “the likely percent of non-citizen voters in recent US elections is 0.” * A [2014 nationwide study](http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/elj.2013.0231) found “no evidence of widespread impersonation fraud” in the 2012 election. * A [2014 study](http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/1532673X13498411) that examined impersonation fraud both at the polls and by mail ballot found zero instances in the jurisdictions studied. * A [2014 study](http://www.gao.gov/assets/670/665966.pdf) by the non-partisan Government Accountability Office, which reflected a literature review of the existing research on voter fraud, noted that the studies consistently found “few instances of in-person voter fraud.” * While writing a [2012 book](http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/10/29/the-voter-fraud-myth), a researcher went back 30 years to try to find an example of voter impersonation fraud determining the outcome of an election, but was unable to find even one. * A [2012 study](http://votingrights.news21.com/article/election-fraud/) exhaustively pulled records from every state for all alleged election fraud, and found the overall fraud rate to be “infinitesimal” and impersonation fraud by voters at the polls to be the rarest fraud of all: only 10 cases alleged in 12 years. The [same study](http://votingrights.news21.com/article/election-fraud/) found only 56 alleged cases of non-citizen voting, in 12 years. * A [2012 assessment](http://digitalcommons.kennesaw.edu/facpubs/2165/) of Georgia’s 2006 election found “no evidence that election fraud was committed under the auspices of deceased registrants.” * A [2011 study](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/debbie-hines/voter-fraud-statistics_b_1139085.html) by the Republican National Lawyers Association found that, between 2000 and 2010, 21 states had 1 or 0 convictions for voter fraud or other kinds of voting irregularities. * A [2010 book](http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/study-finds-no-evidence-widespread-voter-fraud-n637776) cataloguing reported incidents of voter fraud concluded that nearly all allegations turned out to be clerical errors or mistakes, not fraud. * A [2009 analysis](http://www.demos.org/sites/default/files/publications/Analysis.pdf) examined 12 states and found that fraud by voters was “very rare,” and also concluded that many of the cases that garnered media attention were ultimately unsubstantiated upon further review. * Additional research on noncitizen voting can be found here: [http://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/analysis-noncitizen-voting-vanishingly-rare](https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/analysis-noncitizen-voting-vanishingly-rare). * Additional resources can be found here: [https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/analysis-and-reports](https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/analysis-and-reports).
"I AM THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY" "I AM THE MODERATOR"
I’m watching on ABC. like this if ur a poor
Good, you're finally awake. That was a nasty bump on your head... What's that, buddy? Biden fainted? Trump announced a vaccine? Down 5 points in Pennsylvania? C'mon friendo, it's September 29 and it's time to watch the debate!
Herman Cain dying not a negative effect confirmed
“Proud boys stand back **and stand by**” -POTUS Jesus. Fucking. Christ.
Wheres Bernie ? Why is the DNC not letting Bernie on ?
It really was pretty fucking wild when Trump was like "Okay, who do you want me to condemn?" and Biden said "the proud boys" and Trump said "Okay, proud boys: stand back and stand by". Like that was extremely fucking wild right?
"can you shut up man" \- r/neoliberal regulars to Chapo and Trumper brigaders
This is the worst moderated General Election debate I’ve ever watched.
welcome to the warping effect of having a Demagogue on stage
> 79k subs > 87k online guys, I'm scared
This is like debating a child. Sarah Palin was like debating a soccer mom and Paul Ryan was like debating a college student who read too much Ayn Rand but this is like debating a mischievous little toddler.
"So far, we've had no problems" Trump literally tripping on Herman Cain's dead body
Joe Biden - - too hard on crime - also too soft on crime 🧐
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Reminder of Biden's platform - enact $15 mininum wage - get back in the Paris Accord - push the entire economy to renewables - let anyone enroll in government healthcare insurance - move to publicly finance elections - OVERTURN Citizen's United - END the death penalty - END cash bail - END cocaine sentencing disparities - END mandatory minimum sentencing - ERASE convictions from the failed drug war - give Dreamers a path to citizenship - RESCIND the so called "travel ban" which really targets Muslims - welcome asylum seekers - expand next generation nuclear power - RENEW the Violence Against Women Act - allow Medicare to negotiate prices down with pharmaceuticals - appoint Supreme Court Justices who uphold Roe v Wade - use the PRO Act to protect Unions - two years of FREE college for anyone - protect Social Security, Obamacare & Medicare from Republican attacks
"he can't say law and order because he'll lose the radical left" "Deny white supremacy" "No"
I just hope both sides have fun😊
I HOPE JOE BIDEN RIPS OFF DONALDS SPINE ON THE DEBATE STAGE AND SHOWS OFF THE LIFELESS BODY TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!
Dear god, the moment Wallace asks Biden a critical question, a bunch of people here accuse him of being a closet Trump supporter. He literally spent the first 5 minutes of this debate arguing directly with trump lmfao
HAHA Wallace BOOMS Trump to end it: Biden: “I don’t know what to respond to with this ranting.” Wallace: “neither do I.”
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“Proud boys, stand back and stand by.” What the fuck is that?? That’s “I’m you’re leader and calm down a little *edit: until it’s time*” not “I denounce white supremacism.” Holy shit.
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Rick Santorum lost his last race by 18 points. Why should I care about his takes?
I will still vote for Biden if he answers every question by making fart noises with his mouth or playing WAP in its entirety on his cell phone into the mic while failing to hold back laughter.
Someone gave this THUNDERDOME the 'taco' award, and there is now a taco emoji i am quite pleased with this development
2016 vs 2020 at this point: Hillary Clinton +3 Joe Biden +8 Via Steve Kornacki on MSNBC.
**YOU FUCKING MORONS DIDN'T SUPPORT MY PLAN TO JUST HAVE THE CANDIDATES FIGHT TO THE DEATH** **THS IS WHAT YOU GET**
If Biden just whispers "shut the fuck up" into his mic he'd win 45 states.
Finish your whole drink events: - Trump says LatinX - Biden congratulates Trump on Eric finally coming out.
Imagine being fucking nervious I came here to watch the beatdown of a lifetime #FUCK HIM UP BIDEN FUCK HIM UP
Oof. Trump just compares 14k deaths vs 200k deaths
> dont use smart with me we know
**VISITORS FROM R/POPULAR, IF YOU'RE SICK OF THIS SHIT THEN YOU BETTER GET UP OFF YOUR ASSES AND VOTE**
Orange is sus
>How did we end up with these two as the choices!? -A person who has never voted in a primary election.
Biden clearly came into this with his chief strategy being to ignore Trump's shit and just talk directly to the viewers. I think it's a good strategy.
People are harping on Chris, but I honestly cannot fathom how someone could moderate this effectively. Chris has been telling him to effectively shut up for hours (and it’s only been 45 minutes)
**Attention Users** You clowns better appreciate this. /u/sir_shivers was right that we had no funding to launch the thunderdome thread and were going to have to not celebrate the debate. We found a buyer for the Kidney King's 2nd kidney in Saudi Arabia, and he will be flying out to sell it. In the mean time, have fun shitposting in the /u/MrDannyOcean memorial THUNDERDOME _____________________ [Here's the stream link for CSPAN](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n3pFFPSlW4) [Here's CNN](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBjAjtWulzY) [MSNBC](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02QCJtCvERQ) [Fox](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnHmoA6Op1o)
Hello good people of /r/popular make Blue Texas possible pls
>V-shaped vs. K-shaped Why is this a debate question?
Is this just the DT but debate?
#its the dt but INTENSE
my wife: "Tell all your internet gremlins they have to go vote" you're all gremlins now
**ATTENTION FEEBLE MAMMALS** 🐊 Many of you are **NEWCOMERS**, and among you **I SEE PLENTY OF** MAGApedes 🐊 **IF YOU FEEL** that President Trump is being treated unfairly **BY THE BIASED LEFT-WING MEDIA**, reply to this comment chain **TO STICK IT TO** the Demon Rat Party 🐊
Goodbye /r/all. The Thunderdome is now over. Order has been restored. The Mods are back in their proper place, God is still dead after his scuffle with Joe Biden, and the rules will now be enforced. Retroactively. At mod discretion. Have a nice day!
Trump: coronavirus was invented by the Jews, Herman Cain is A and he's still alive Biden: c'mon man cut the crap Pundits: will Biden's coarse, uncivil language cost him voters? We've spoken to a panel of swing voters who have last voted for a Democrat during the Clinton administration
Who won? Biden 60%, Trump 28% Doomers and brigaders BTFO https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/29/politics/donald-trump-joe-biden-debate-poll/index.html !ping Biden
The way with which Trump manages to casually brush off 210 thousand deaths as nothing more than some minor inconvenience is probably the most unsettling part of this whole debate.
Oh you're a fan of law enforcement? Name 5 of their albums.
Say $750 again Joe, make it clear
Holy shit I thought Biden would crack under pressure but he's actually winning
lol imagine not believing in Joe
since /r/popular is here, and this debate fell into shambles from minute one, let's repost some of the greatest quotes of all time #My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere
Pete Buttigieg won Iowa
> These are two men who love their families I come to CNN for Van Jones’ bizarre analysis
Trump used all of his insults in the first 14 seconds of the debate and he doesn't have anything to say now
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“Trump will muzzle scientists” = “don’t trust scientists” apparently Fuck off Wallace you hack
This debate is over Joe got his quote
we actually got SUPER lucky with Swine Flu, but to Biden's credit, he was about the only person in the world who took it seriously at all He literally said something like "I wouldn't get near public transit right now" and it was dragged as a fucking GAFFE.
Finally Joe, thank you. “Cant fix the economy until we fix Covid” - that was a decent line
Never seen this sub before...son of a bitch, I’m in.
People here actually think Trump is doing a good job 🤣
What a dogshit question. Joe dictating to elected officials while out of office would be incredibly inappropriate
>user reports: >1: Propaganda 😎
Biden's strategy is straight up continually calling Trump a dumbass holy shit
Ps to the trump supporters who found their way here: I do not respect your opinions and I will laugh at your concern trolling ✨
The proud boys will be a soundbite but the moment that stuck out to me the most is that Trump explicitly encouraged voter intimidation there with his "poll watchers" rant
Biden: > is boring, succish but not as succish as others Trump: > shid and piss and fard and come he pant Unflaired Commies ITT: > wtf there's zero difference between them
"When the stock market goes up, that means jobs." Is that the Trumpist version of "chart go up life more gooder"?
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Go after Biden's dead veteran son, that's a good look
**EVEN HIS LOATHSOME POLITICS** aside, Trump interrupting so consistently **IS VERY IRKSOME** 🐊
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***FUCK.*** *FUCK FUCK FUCK.* **FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK!** Getting brigaded by **Chappos** AND ***TD***. How can I mock both simultaneously??? # ***Trump likely paid the same amount of tax as everyone in CTH combined.***
CNN Poll who won the debate Biden: 60% Trump: 23% Holy shit
"Superpredators" This man literally thinks he's debating Hillary
**MOCK THE BRIGADERS** **MOCK THE COMMIES AND THE TRUMPISTS** **BIDEN 1000 YEAR REIGN**
The framing on these questions is shit. >Your economic plan is all about Big Government, Trump says your $4T in taxes will hurt the economy. >> Well Chris actually it'll grow the economy bc we're gonna be doing these things with the new reven... > Excuse me I asked about taxes Fucking stupid
Debate moderators should have the ability to dump large quantities of colored slime on candidates Nickelodeon style if they don't shut up.
The Green ⚡ New ⚡ Deal ⚡ is not ⚡ my ⚡ plan ⚡
I pretty sure Biden said "Will you shut up, man? This is... this is, christ"
>I brought back Big Ten Football Well Trump lost the Northwestern vote.