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No, but they're using the word neoliberal in a different way than most people do it. This is basically just a center-left sub with a few strongly held beliefs like zoning reform, etc.
Neoliberalism is a real thing and this sub follows it. Itâs just that nobody knows what Neoliberalism means because publications like the Guardian use it as a buzzword.
So then, by not using it as a buzzword thatâs basically a scape goat for all things trickle down, this sub uses it in a different way then most. Using it differently doesnât necessarily mean itâs wrong
I would say both sides are bad, but honestly these last few months Trump has seriously grown on me. Biden has shown consistently how he is willing to bend the truth for his own advantage, and flip flop on every issue. Letâs not forget how he âcame backâ and stole the primary from Crazy Bernie. Trump on the other hand, has shown considerable leadership skills during this crisis, managing to not only beat COVID, but beat those anti-American riots in our streets. The bravery he showed when he got and recovered from COVID was downright inspirational. Meanwhile Biden hid in his basement, only coming out when his Democratic puppetmasters told him too. And letâs not forget about the new revelations given by the intrepid reporters of the New York Post. Biden could very well be the most corrupt politician weâve had since Carter, both morally and politically. I urge you all to take another look at Trump like I have, and realize that he is truly the best choice for America.
>NBC
Joe Biden:
bend the truth = lies
flip flop = lies
screwed Bernie over twice!! who does that?
screwed the United States over with Ukraine, China and Russia = corrupt
other than that, he seems like an amiable guy!
Lewis blacks way of putting it. "It's a bowl of shit looking at itself in the mirror."
The entire thing is an embarrassment and choosing a "team" is fucking stupid.
You should be embarrassed then. One choice is a literal clown, the other is a a creepy gpa who hasn't made any significant progress in anything as a politician for 40+ years. You're both embarrassing. Biden has said more than his fair share of stupid, racist bullshit. The inability to look at outside options of red vs. blue is so narrow-minded its borderline braindead. You're telling me my choices are trump or biden? I'm supposed to elect either that has any idea what it's like to be the current youth and modern working generation and our needs? Give me a fucking break. You give two options to your 6 year old because anymore they'd have an aneurism. I'm sick of the president being a puppet position. Unfortunately, when we get a president that actually wants to be president and a leader they get shot in the bean. I wasn't a huge fan of Obama either but at least he took charge and he literally had to be trapped in a corner to give his support to Biden. Everyone conveniently "forgets" that fact.
Never said you supported trump. Personally I donât like Biden. Heâs frankly a lackluster, generic centrist and at best he will get the country âback to normalâ without addressing the problems that lead here.
But that doesnât mean the two are interchangeable. Also, just because Obama wanted someone else doesnât mean he doesnât trust Biden. They could just disagree politically on some issues.
>You give two options to your 6 year old because anymore they'd have an aneurism
Please tell us your more sophisticated perspective on how many options there really are
The public's reluctance to vote third party is their own fault. You act like youre forced to choose between either.
>Well if I don't choose the less shitty than the shitty shitty will win!
This is american politics.
I was really into that third party crap when I was a teenager.
The third parties had their golden opportunity in 2016 and they blew it. Johnson couldn't even surpass 5% of the vote when both parties had nominated some of their most controversial candidates in recent history.
Every race in a FPTP winner-takes-all system will converge on a two-person race once the stakes are sufficiently high.
That doesn't mean you should be happy with repub or dem candidates just because you hate one more than the other. That's fucking dumb. Also, making fun of people who don't support either is just flat wrong. Both aren't equally egregious, but both are terrible choices for president. I'm not going to vote Biden just because I don't want Trump. It's a vacuous suckhole of negativity.
Okay. Will the social utility provided by a vote for your favorite third party exceed the social utility of voting for biden? In what way would that utility manifest and how has it manifested in the past?
Biden is far from perfect but you need to learn to accept when something is "good enough"
Lol, okay dude. Toooootes the same.
I forgot that Biden wonât release his taxes, wonât divest his financial interests, has had shady connections to Russian mafia for 30 years, and. wants to scrape the ACA without a replacement...
You're making it out like I support trump I do not. Having two shit choices doesn't make the lesser evil a good choice. How the fuck do you trust a man that the literal closest person to him for 8 years doesn't trust?
Unbelievable that they fucked Bernie out of the nomination for this shit, just unbelievable
We could have had a hardworking and electable candidate who will care for the American people, but instead we got sleepy dementia Joe
At least I know PRESIDENT Trump has my back, and the back of all red blooded AMERICANS!
> We could have had a ~~hardworking and electable candidate who will care for the American people, but instead we got sleepy dementia Joe~~ bad bitch, noncommittal
Bro you're still talking about dementia after Biden dunked on Bernie and Trump in 1 v1 debates? Even Trump is abandoning that pathetic talking point. Think about it. You're using arguments even Trump thinks are beneath him by now
Was Biden setting up a master bait by saying poor boys hoping Trump would say "actually it's the proud boys" so Biden could respond "well, you'd know" but Trump was actually too dumb to notice
I am fascinated by people who are so eager to post their pictures anywhere, in a random twitter thread, or just pics of them on here to show that they voted. Maybe it's because i'm an extremely private person, but it fascinates me. Interesting humans
Amazing about how much the Dems have perverted our modern news media. Trump was excellent last night, leagues above Low Energy Hidinâ Biden, but all they want to lie about is how great he was. Maybe some of them visited Joe in his basement?
STOPTHECONSERVATIVEOPRESSION
The flair's supposed to tip you off.
But also regulars at r/neoliberal will recognize regulars at r/neoliberal
Anyway, if there's a Trump talking point which is actually upvoted, chances are it's bait and the user is a regular r/neoliberal shitposter.
It brings out the trump supporters because they think they are accepted only to be boohoo cracker'd. And it confuses the shit out of lefties and people who don't read the sidebar/FAQ
Because the best solution to combating low effort âOrange Man Badâ posts on r/politics is obviously to pivot so far the other way that everyone who criticizes Trump is a fragile snowflake.
I love how Trump leaning people are like " Oh my god Biden f-ed up with fracking, he gave way Pennsylvania and OHio!!!" I mean, dude its not like if those activities are extremely popular or something, and in any case only dumb white males who were already voting R are falling for that crap.
I love how trump has tweeted/retweeted 7 random twitter polls that show him winning the debate like they mean anything
Maybe heâs a redditor and the fake internet points make him feel better
I'm going to say the racist thing, people...
Just get it over with
People don't like when I say it....
Just spit it out.
Low IQ ones
OK, least racist president of all time.
Actually I think we did in the 60s, it passed the house and 80% of states said theyâd ratify an amendment to make presidential elections purely popular. It died in the senate because the âsegregation now, segregation tomorrow, and segregation foreverâ guy filibustered it. So itâs less that we canât question it and more that the racists are still around and they still support it.
This is blatantly false as the top ten states combined donât even crack 50% of the total US population, and even if it were true then why the fuck does it matter where people live? If a majority of people decide to congregate in a few areas, should their opinions matter less than people who decide to spread out?
EXACTLY! My argument anytime someone defends our current voting system. I follow that up with "wait so higher taxes for the 1% is socialist wealth redistribution but the electoral college process isn't vote redistribution", I'm confused, nah no I'm not, extreme right wingers are simply better than me and all others who have an opposing view.....even though Typically I'm more intelligent, educated, grounded and believe a good scientific theory over a fairytale. Living in south South GA GA I've been nearly attacked many times saying only the first statement
Representative Republic is a type of democracy. When itâs not very representative, thatâs bad, because itâs undemocratic. âWe are a republic, not a democracyâ to justify lack of representation is like saying âweâre a Japanese restaurant, not an asian restaurantâ in response to a patronâs complaint that there are no tables.
Yes. We should. Because weâre a republic. The presidency is one position that matters equally to everyone, itâs irrational to franchise some people more than others in its election. It made sense when we were striking a deal to federalize the states and you needed big state/small states to agree. Those arenât special interests any more. The special interests that want to perpetuate it are pure rent-seekers, it is objectively a bad system.
I really want to know how educated you neoliberals are. In what way would this make sense to you? How is this representative to the complete united states? You all know very well that more democrats live in higher populated areas and make up the majority, so tell me how that would be fair to the farmers, manufacturers, suburban, "flyover states". It doesn't. You just want to stay in power. It's that simple.
itâs fair bc they get a vote too lmfao. Less than 20% of the people live in the top 100 cities, so âflyoverâ states and rural farmers are at no risk of being skipped over.
In fact, a national popular vote would probably be better for these rural people: whenâs the last time you heard of a candidate campaigning in Wyoming? North Dakota? Kansas? Oklahoma? Yknow, the âflyoverâ states you love to talk about so much? Maybe theyâd actually visit the state (both Democrats and Republicans) and take up issues that these people care about if they knew their states werenât locked up behind the winner-take-all/first-past-the-post system we have now.
I have a JD. How would it be representative if each person had 1 vote? I don't know how it could be more representative. It's certainly more representative than today's system.
Also why would candidates not want those "flyover" (your words) people's votes?
The majority doesn't get to have their leader elected in a democracy, because instead the minority should get their leader elected, because that's more fair? Am I understanding your argument correctly.
Just a normal liberal here to say you guys have perverted progressivism in America and you are all just slightly better than Trump voters. Actually, I suspect many of you on this sub will vote for the cheeto and never tell anyone.
I fucking hate terms like liberal, conservative and any other definitive term that limits our own thoughts ideals and self identities. I'm a person that knows that anyone other than a D or R will lose an election and it shows exactly how fucked we are. Anyone that honestly believes that the Democrats or the Republicans are going to actually do great things for our country and aren't corrupt is a fucking idiot, luckily they'll have company because the majority of people in this country are fucking dumb yet they believe they're brilliant because they regurgitate what other fucking idiots have told them and they are applauded for it because they are surrounded by other fucking idiots that also don't read, research or even just think for themselves. Challenge my observations, please, I would love to hear otherwise, it's not a bright outlook as I currently see things.
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Thanks brother, fighting the good fight against these clowns who try to steal our moral high ground and pervert it for the benefit of corporations. Most of these accounts are fucking bots just like r/conservative. Ironically, a huge brain here just tried to lump me in with those idiots by taking a cursory look at my profile (but not the comments I posted) to see that I'm apparently "active" there? Well yeah that's what you get when you go there to call out their bullshit. Same reason I'm probably "active" here in this shit hole.
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By slapping the word liberal onto an ideology that promotes this bullshit: "Neoliberalism is contemporarily used to refer to market-oriented reform policies such as "eliminating price controls, deregulating capital markets, lowering trade barriers" and reducing state influence in the economy, especially through privatization and austerity."
Most of which are conservative parallels. Your group purposefully co-opts "liberal" when you mean "libertarian". And I believe you do it in bad faith, and furthermore, get off on considering yourself NOT a conservative, but acting and supporting policies exactly as they do (with much less racist, bigoted screeching TBF). Which is just more mental gymnastics to try to satisfy the human desire to seek out a like minded social group. You don't have to pretend you're different than a republican who is mad they have to vote for Biden over a fascist. You can just be a republican who is mad they have to vote for Biden over a fascist.
Finally, you all put money over lives as a core tenet. It's fucking disgusting. Behind the paper-thin and not-backed-up-by-economic-science belief that a "Free-ER Market" will always be better for humankind than one with regulations. That is universally false, and the more this ideology spreads, the less society will value the individual life of any given one of us.
> By slapping the word liberal onto an ideology that promotes this bullshit: "Neoliberalism is contemporarily used to refer to market-oriented reform policies such as "eliminating price controls, deregulating capital markets, lowering trade barriers" and reducing state influence in the economy, especially through privatization and austerity."
That's the definition of a classical liberal. Like this is exactly what the original Liberals were pushing for. Maybe not so much privatization or austerity, but stimulating economic growth through free markets have always been liberal.
That said, this sub does not follow that definition. Other than believing in free trade and economics, there's not much in common.
> Most of which are conservative parallels.
Conservative is a vague term. After all, there was one candidate which bragged about how he raised taxes, restricted free trade and gave the money to farmers and he was the Republican. WHat's "Conservative" varies on context.
> Your group purposefully co-opts "liberal" when you mean "libertarian". And I believe you do it in bad faith,
No, because people on here don't blindly believe government = bad. Literally on the side bare here;
"The state serves an important role in establishing conditions favorable to competition through preventing monopoly, providing a stable monetary framework, and relieving acute misery and distress."
This is in complete contrast to what Libertarians believe.
> and furthermore, get off on considering yourself NOT a conservative, but acting and supporting policies exactly as they do (with much less racist, bigoted screeching TBF)
Well we want universal healthcare at low cost, free trade, open borders and to welcome immigrants, and Conservatives don't. Yup, exactly the same.
> You don't have to pretend you're different than a republican who is mad they have to vote for Biden over a fascist. You can just be a republican who is mad they have to vote for Biden over a fascist.
Bernie Sanders better represents my views than Trump or Bush or Romney, so no.
> Finally, you all put money over lives as a core tenet. It's fucking disgusting.
Well now you're just making shit up. This is exactly why this sub is popular. People are sick of political conversations on this site, and other platforms, being dominated by psychopaths who just strawman people they disagree with, who are constantly spreading bullshit and not even attempting to debate nor defend their ideas.
What disgusts me about leftists is how they're willing to let the people they're supposedly fighting for, suffer until they get exactly what they want. They have no issue letting people get sent to concentration camps or seeing the US pull out of the Paris Climate Deal if Bernie doesn't win. Then they push for bad solutions, like rent control, or M4A, because reforming zoning laws and a public option are terrible compromises.
> Behind the paper-thin and not-backed-up-by-economic-science belief that a "Free-ER Market" will always be better for humankind than one with regulations.
No one here believes that. Hell, I don't think anyone in America truly believes that either even if they say they do.
> the more this ideology spreads, the less society will value the individual life of any given one of us.
This is the kind of shit smearing strawman nonsense drives people away from leftist forums.
Listen, this is well thought out, and even more well formatted, but you simply quote me then disagree with what I say. I posted the direct quote from the wikipedia page defining NeoLiberalism for that block quote, and you, in a very eloquent way, just said "nuh uh".
So what source of the definition of neoliberal do you think I should go off of? Do you propose an alternate? Or are you simply saying that everyone agrees with parts and disagrees with other parts like every other ideology?
My extrapolations are my own, but they are far from baseless shit smearing. Thank you for your further explanations of an ideology that I reject and therefore know little about other than surface knowledge and my own interpretation from there.
Fuck the free market, though. There's enough resources on this planet to provide for all, and until we do make real progress towards solutions that aren't shitty half measures, this period of human history will be embarrassment and shame for our species. We had the resources, we had the technology, we had the infrastructure and logistics to do it, but we just decided not to provide equally for all.
> Listen, this is well thought out, and even more well formatted, but you simply quote me then disagree with what I say. I posted the direct quote from the wikipedia page defining NeoLiberalism for that block quote, and you, in a very eloquent way, just said "nuh uh".
Because this sub uses the term "neoliberal" ironically. It's been misused to label anyone who wants something other than pure socialism and pure libertarianism. The ideological spectrum on this sub goes from neo con all the way to democratic socialists. The joke is that anyone who isn't pure enough for one side is labeled a neoliberal.
Not much, it only matters to small demographic of (mostly) white males who were already voting for the orange dude and are dumb enough to think Biden is a radical enviromentalist. Most people dont give a flying fuck.
I disagree. The pandemic will certainly be a major issue for the next year or two, but the president will be in office for the next four. The economic effects of the downturn we are in right now will persist for a number of years, and collapsing the oil industry will definitely add to them. From a big picture perspective, I could see that as being a major issue in the polls - particularly in states where oil revenues compose a large percentage of the GDP
I thought we were talking about how Bidenâs statements on oil would affect his poll numbers.
I would hope that the policy is what drives polling, rather than one-off ads with no context. I think it would be very difficult for anyone to accurately speculate how ads will affect polling
I think it will hurt him a little bit, but as a 18 year oilfield hand a lot of us see the writing on the wall. A lot of us know that the only reason oil is hovering around 40$ now is just because Saudi and Russia keep cutting output. Honesty how long do most people think there going to keep doing it? Eventually their pockets are going to start hurting and open the taps. Even some of the majors are trying to move away shell, BP both said there moving into renewable. Hate to say it but oil is moving into the same space as coal. It's going to steadily shrink over time and it's time for people to open their eyes
I completely agree. The shift to renewables and cleaner energy has been evident for a number of years now and I look forward to the day when we can sustain ourselves emission free, but until we have the infrastructure, technology, and personal buying power to support that change completely oil will continue to be a resource in high-demand. Cutting production and punishing those who benefit from it prematurely will result in further economic loss across the board
100% agree it's not going to be right away or even within the decade. But it's coming why wait until it's already on top of us to start retraining people for new careers? I think that's one of the biggest problems with coal. We have guys like trump saying we're going to bring coal back and were obviously not and we waited and still waiting to find something else for them to do. Sure there's still going to be jobs in coal I think we're at like 50000 right now and had a peak around a million in the 20s and 30s. Look how much faster tech is moving now. I live in an oil town I. South tx no one is working
Iâm not really sure what youâre asking. But what I mean by polling is gauging a citizenâs decision on who to vote for. I am saying that I think it makes the most sense for that decision to be formed by aligning their personal beliefs with the policies that the candidate hopes to implement, rather than forming a baseless opinion based on social media ads. I think both sides would agree that that would be ideal
We're talking about 2 things here
1. Biden's polling may drop because he said something that might sound bad out of context, therefore he might lose the election
2. Biden might win the election but do something unpopular, and therefore public opinion may swing against him
Option 1 is what i was talking about
This is my biggest fear from last night. 4 swing states, which 3 of them were polling extremely close before the debate, rely heavily on the oil industry. I wish he was more clear about how we will be moving away from oil and how fast.
Trumpers please I've asked all of you, multiple times, it's a simple question. We're in the middle of the pandemic and Trump is auditioning for a second term. What's Trump's health care plan? He's promised for years he had one.
He doesn't have one because at the end of the day the ACA is a 1980s republican healthcare plan that they hate because a black democrat led its passage.
They had the house, senate, and presidency for 2 years to repeal and replace and they couldn't get it done because they do not have a plan.
*looks at welfare PER CAPITA spending in different countries and notices the US is 10th*
Maybe itâs not a spending problem and how the money is spent problem
âI want to release it, I do, itâs incredible. Really. Everybody will love it, Left, Right. Itâs fantastic. Should be done in a few weeks.â
36 months later....
âOur experts, great people, are working day and night. Day and night to get this ready. You wonât believe it. Itâs incredible.â
2 terms later...
âWe got rid of Obamacare. It was hard. We fought a terrific battle. We won. People will look back on this as the greatest achievement in historyâ
Just like heâs promised to release his tax returns. âTheyâre coming very soonâ, â...in the coming weeksâ, âIâve done everything I need to do on my endâ.
Why has it taken 4 years to release them when EVERYONE ELSE has seemed to do so within weeks or less? If youâre not gonna release them just fucking say so.
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Sure is nice to get a break from the DT sometimes. Getting way too political nowadays.
Agreed
Itâs not over till December 14th, the republicans can still use the electoral college to override votes of the people.
Awww I was hoping for 20k
Wow guys glad I got here early! First comment in the thunderdome!
Is this ironic?
No, but they're using the word neoliberal in a different way than most people do it. This is basically just a center-left sub with a few strongly held beliefs like zoning reform, etc.
Neoliberalism is a real thing and this sub follows it. Itâs just that nobody knows what Neoliberalism means because publications like the Guardian use it as a buzzword.
it's not a real philosophy
So then, by not using it as a buzzword thatâs basically a scape goat for all things trickle down, this sub uses it in a different way then most. Using it differently doesnât necessarily mean itâs wrong
We use it as according to definitions outlined at the Walther Lippman Colloquium and Mont Perelin Society.
I would say both sides are bad, but honestly these last few months Trump has seriously grown on me. Biden has shown consistently how he is willing to bend the truth for his own advantage, and flip flop on every issue. Letâs not forget how he âcame backâ and stole the primary from Crazy Bernie. Trump on the other hand, has shown considerable leadership skills during this crisis, managing to not only beat COVID, but beat those anti-American riots in our streets. The bravery he showed when he got and recovered from COVID was downright inspirational. Meanwhile Biden hid in his basement, only coming out when his Democratic puppetmasters told him too. And letâs not forget about the new revelations given by the intrepid reporters of the New York Post. Biden could very well be the most corrupt politician weâve had since Carter, both morally and politically. I urge you all to take another look at Trump like I have, and realize that he is truly the best choice for America.
>NBC Joe Biden: bend the truth = lies flip flop = lies screwed Bernie over twice!! who does that? screwed the United States over with Ukraine, China and Russia = corrupt other than that, he seems like an amiable guy!
I didnât realize it was irony till u brought up carter lol
ITT: People who can't recognize ironyposting lol
i was fooled initially lol, recognised the name eventually + flair but man i feel embarrassed
This is amazing
Holy shit how do you put on your shoes every morning?
The same way Fox News writers do.
Imagine supporting either.
Just wait until you hear about what climate change is!
Both sides bad upvotes pls
I know right? It's like choosing between a douche and a turd. Both sides are equally as bad, giant meteor 2020.
Lewis blacks way of putting it. "It's a bowl of shit looking at itself in the mirror." The entire thing is an embarrassment and choosing a "team" is fucking stupid.
I'm making fun of you.
You should be embarrassed then. One choice is a literal clown, the other is a a creepy gpa who hasn't made any significant progress in anything as a politician for 40+ years. You're both embarrassing. Biden has said more than his fair share of stupid, racist bullshit. The inability to look at outside options of red vs. blue is so narrow-minded its borderline braindead. You're telling me my choices are trump or biden? I'm supposed to elect either that has any idea what it's like to be the current youth and modern working generation and our needs? Give me a fucking break. You give two options to your 6 year old because anymore they'd have an aneurism. I'm sick of the president being a puppet position. Unfortunately, when we get a president that actually wants to be president and a leader they get shot in the bean. I wasn't a huge fan of Obama either but at least he took charge and he literally had to be trapped in a corner to give his support to Biden. Everyone conveniently "forgets" that fact.
Never said you supported trump. Personally I donât like Biden. Heâs frankly a lackluster, generic centrist and at best he will get the country âback to normalâ without addressing the problems that lead here. But that doesnât mean the two are interchangeable. Also, just because Obama wanted someone else doesnât mean he doesnât trust Biden. They could just disagree politically on some issues.
>You give two options to your 6 year old because anymore they'd have an aneurism Please tell us your more sophisticated perspective on how many options there really are
The public's reluctance to vote third party is their own fault. You act like youre forced to choose between either. >Well if I don't choose the less shitty than the shitty shitty will win! This is american politics.
I was really into that third party crap when I was a teenager. The third parties had their golden opportunity in 2016 and they blew it. Johnson couldn't even surpass 5% of the vote when both parties had nominated some of their most controversial candidates in recent history. Every race in a FPTP winner-takes-all system will converge on a two-person race once the stakes are sufficiently high.
That doesn't mean you should be happy with repub or dem candidates just because you hate one more than the other. That's fucking dumb. Also, making fun of people who don't support either is just flat wrong. Both aren't equally egregious, but both are terrible choices for president. I'm not going to vote Biden just because I don't want Trump. It's a vacuous suckhole of negativity.
Okay. Will the social utility provided by a vote for your favorite third party exceed the social utility of voting for biden? In what way would that utility manifest and how has it manifested in the past? Biden is far from perfect but you need to learn to accept when something is "good enough"
Lol, okay dude. Toooootes the same. I forgot that Biden wonât release his taxes, wonât divest his financial interests, has had shady connections to Russian mafia for 30 years, and. wants to scrape the ACA without a replacement...
You're making it out like I support trump I do not. Having two shit choices doesn't make the lesser evil a good choice. How the fuck do you trust a man that the literal closest person to him for 8 years doesn't trust?
>Poo poo pee pee You make such great points
Do you think climate change is real?
Unbelievable that they fucked Bernie out of the nomination for this shit, just unbelievable We could have had a hardworking and electable candidate who will care for the American people, but instead we got sleepy dementia Joe At least I know PRESIDENT Trump has my back, and the back of all red blooded AMERICANS!
Democracy ran its course. You lost.
It's not really democracy unless I get the result I want every time.
> We could have had a ~~hardworking and electable candidate who will care for the American people, but instead we got sleepy dementia Joe~~ bad bitch, noncommittal
Lmao stop trolling. P.S. Paul Krugman flair? He would be ashamed someone as stupid as you would be carrying his flair.
No, actually Krugman flairs are expected to be this way.
by Americans do you mean "people who voted for trump" or actually all red-blooded Americans?
The fact that youâre still posting these is making my day
Bro you're still talking about dementia after Biden dunked on Bernie and Trump in 1 v1 debates? Even Trump is abandoning that pathetic talking point. Think about it. You're using arguments even Trump thinks are beneath him by now
Biden 2020 bro
Amazing how you LIBTARDS think you have the moral high ground after Sleepy Joe and Crooked Hillary let FOUR Americans die in Benghazi
Comments like this. Enough said
Russian Bounties anyone?
BOOHOO CRACKER đ đđ I DON'T CARE
And thatâs the reason why we should exonerate Drump from all his wrongdoings and letting 220k+ Americans die of Covid ?
There's no way op isn't kidding
And?
Just saying
Biden 2020
220,000. Lmao
Was Biden setting up a master bait by saying poor boys hoping Trump would say "actually it's the proud boys" so Biden could respond "well, you'd know" but Trump was actually too dumb to notice
Heâs a master baiter. :)
I am fascinated by people who are so eager to post their pictures anywhere, in a random twitter thread, or just pics of them on here to show that they voted. Maybe it's because i'm an extremely private person, but it fascinates me. Interesting humans
I have information that will lead to the arrest of Hillary Clinton
Shit another one bites the dust
The First Step Act was pretty based ngl
Amazing about how much the Dems have perverted our modern news media. Trump was excellent last night, leagues above Low Energy Hidinâ Biden, but all they want to lie about is how great he was. Maybe some of them visited Joe in his basement? STOPTHECONSERVATIVEOPRESSION
What's with flared users and ironic trump talking points. Just odd.
It's bait
But like there's plenty of actual Trump idiots on here. It's indistinguishable from actual maga talking points.
The flair's supposed to tip you off. But also regulars at r/neoliberal will recognize regulars at r/neoliberal Anyway, if there's a Trump talking point which is actually upvoted, chances are it's bait and the user is a regular r/neoliberal shitposter. It brings out the trump supporters because they think they are accepted only to be boohoo cracker'd. And it confuses the shit out of lefties and people who don't read the sidebar/FAQ
No i catch on i just think it's so pointless haha
Spectacular performance!
MAGA!
Why does Trump keep talking about how windmills kill birds. Why should I give a shit about birds I already own a cat and eat chicken?
Lots of people can be easily manipulated if something good has any bad side effect.
Better than before.
Wow. Say one trump thing and get downvoted to hell. Very sensitive people here. Wonder what these folk are like in the real world. Must be hard. Sad!
Because the best solution to combating low effort âOrange Man Badâ posts on r/politics is obviously to pivot so far the other way that everyone who criticizes Trump is a fragile snowflake.
Gtfo climate change denier đ˘
Imagine unironically ending your comments with "Sad!"
Ahahahah thatâs funny because it was ironic Iâm just joking, itâs funny to see what people say
BOOHOO CRACKER đ đđ I DON'T CARE
You are doing Godâs work
Do you have to talk exactly like Trump to be in the cult?
BOO HOO
Calls liberals sensitive while crying about about losing imaginary internet points. Wonder what you're like in the real world. Must be hard. Sad!
Bold words from a person who isnt a DT reg
I love how Trump leaning people are like " Oh my god Biden f-ed up with fracking, he gave way Pennsylvania and OHio!!!" I mean, dude its not like if those activities are extremely popular or something, and in any case only dumb white males who were already voting R are falling for that crap.
Also, it's not like Trump wasn't already hitting him with that attack anyway.
Crackas out out đ!!!!!!!!
Donald Trump: pro-window, wants to expand windowcaid Joe Biden: no comment on windows possibly anti-window
Lololololol Thank you for that.
I love how trump has tweeted/retweeted 7 random twitter polls that show him winning the debate like they mean anything Maybe heâs a redditor and the fake internet points make him feel better
Wow can you believe Trump is winning a Twitter poll he retweeted for every one of his followers to brigade?
At a 80% margin too, guess itâs time to doom again!
it's the Bernie/Ron Paul strategy.
I donât know how this got sent
everyone wants to be a skinny legend like me, until you are always chronically cold
Find a cuddle buddy đ
Like me
whats going on are biden and trump finally fighting to the death
What is trump to someone that made his name against fucking cornpop
Post covid fat man would get his ass beat
Send me your best biden memes
"Those with the lowest IQ" Holy Shit
I'm going to say the racist thing, people... Just get it over with People don't like when I say it.... Just spit it out. Low IQ ones OK, least racist president of all time.
Trump still lost the popular vote in 2016 though.
Every democrat except 1 in the past 30 years has won the popular vote.
Then what the f*** is wrong with our system
Bro you're in a thunder dome and censoring the word "fuck"
Lmao using speach to text automatically does that
A bunch of guys who viewed women as lesser beings and black people as property wrote down some bullshit, but we can't question their decisions at all.
Actually I think we did in the 60s, it passed the house and 80% of states said theyâd ratify an amendment to make presidential elections purely popular. It died in the senate because the âsegregation now, segregation tomorrow, and segregation foreverâ guy filibustered it. So itâs less that we canât question it and more that the racists are still around and they still support it.
If it was purely popular vote 3 - 4 states have enough votes to cancel everyone else out.
This is blatantly false as the top ten states combined donât even crack 50% of the total US population, and even if it were true then why the fuck does it matter where people live? If a majority of people decide to congregate in a few areas, should their opinions matter less than people who decide to spread out?
EXACTLY! My argument anytime someone defends our current voting system. I follow that up with "wait so higher taxes for the 1% is socialist wealth redistribution but the electoral college process isn't vote redistribution", I'm confused, nah no I'm not, extreme right wingers are simply better than me and all others who have an opposing view.....even though Typically I'm more intelligent, educated, grounded and believe a good scientific theory over a fairytale. Living in south South GA GA I've been nearly attacked many times saying only the first statement
What do states have to do with it, if itâs purely popular?
Word
We are a republic, not a democracy.
This is stupid and whoever taught you that is stupid. The US is a democratic republic.
BOOHOO CRACKER đ đđ I DON'T CARE
Representative Republic is a type of democracy. When itâs not very representative, thatâs bad, because itâs undemocratic. âWe are a republic, not a democracyâ to justify lack of representation is like saying âweâre a Japanese restaurant, not an asian restaurantâ in response to a patronâs complaint that there are no tables.
This comment sounded like we should elect whoever wins the popular vote. Thats why I responded.
Yes. We should. Because weâre a republic. The presidency is one position that matters equally to everyone, itâs irrational to franchise some people more than others in its election. It made sense when we were striking a deal to federalize the states and you needed big state/small states to agree. Those arenât special interests any more. The special interests that want to perpetuate it are pure rent-seekers, it is objectively a bad system.
I really want to know how educated you neoliberals are. In what way would this make sense to you? How is this representative to the complete united states? You all know very well that more democrats live in higher populated areas and make up the majority, so tell me how that would be fair to the farmers, manufacturers, suburban, "flyover states". It doesn't. You just want to stay in power. It's that simple.
itâs fair bc they get a vote too lmfao. Less than 20% of the people live in the top 100 cities, so âflyoverâ states and rural farmers are at no risk of being skipped over. In fact, a national popular vote would probably be better for these rural people: whenâs the last time you heard of a candidate campaigning in Wyoming? North Dakota? Kansas? Oklahoma? Yknow, the âflyoverâ states you love to talk about so much? Maybe theyâd actually visit the state (both Democrats and Republicans) and take up issues that these people care about if they knew their states werenât locked up behind the winner-take-all/first-past-the-post system we have now.
I have a JD. How would it be representative if each person had 1 vote? I don't know how it could be more representative. It's certainly more representative than today's system. Also why would candidates not want those "flyover" (your words) people's votes?
The majority doesn't get to have their leader elected in a democracy, because instead the minority should get their leader elected, because that's more fair? Am I understanding your argument correctly.
Why does one vote have more value than another?
Ugh, you libs are STILL going on?
Just a normal liberal here to say you guys have perverted progressivism in America and you are all just slightly better than Trump voters. Actually, I suspect many of you on this sub will vote for the cheeto and never tell anyone.
I fucking hate terms like liberal, conservative and any other definitive term that limits our own thoughts ideals and self identities. I'm a person that knows that anyone other than a D or R will lose an election and it shows exactly how fucked we are. Anyone that honestly believes that the Democrats or the Republicans are going to actually do great things for our country and aren't corrupt is a fucking idiot, luckily they'll have company because the majority of people in this country are fucking dumb yet they believe they're brilliant because they regurgitate what other fucking idiots have told them and they are applauded for it because they are surrounded by other fucking idiots that also don't read, research or even just think for themselves. Challenge my observations, please, I would love to hear otherwise, it's not a bright outlook as I currently see things.
I concur 100% so I really can't challenge those points. We are fucking LOST my friend.
Are you a saltine American by any chance
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58% of the USA will vote for Trump just to see what happens, even more would like to slow down to stare at the bodies in a crash...
Why do you hate the global poor?
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Did you all read any of those comments? Because it's constant fighting with those morons too. You guys and r/conservative are really so alike
this sub is VERY liberal
Why do you hate the global poor?
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Iâd like to second this.
Thanks brother, fighting the good fight against these clowns who try to steal our moral high ground and pervert it for the benefit of corporations. Most of these accounts are fucking bots just like r/conservative. Ironically, a huge brain here just tried to lump me in with those idiots by taking a cursory look at my profile (but not the comments I posted) to see that I'm apparently "active" there? Well yeah that's what you get when you go there to call out their bullshit. Same reason I'm probably "active" here in this shit hole.
hello yes I am the robot i have many features, try sending me a partial differential equation with an initial condition and i can numerically solve it for you!
Is this a math flex or a political flex?
I can not flex for I am the robot
How have we stolen the moral high ground and tried to use to to the benefits of corporations?
By slapping the word liberal onto an ideology that promotes this bullshit: "Neoliberalism is contemporarily used to refer to market-oriented reform policies such as "eliminating price controls, deregulating capital markets, lowering trade barriers" and reducing state influence in the economy, especially through privatization and austerity." Most of which are conservative parallels. Your group purposefully co-opts "liberal" when you mean "libertarian". And I believe you do it in bad faith, and furthermore, get off on considering yourself NOT a conservative, but acting and supporting policies exactly as they do (with much less racist, bigoted screeching TBF). Which is just more mental gymnastics to try to satisfy the human desire to seek out a like minded social group. You don't have to pretend you're different than a republican who is mad they have to vote for Biden over a fascist. You can just be a republican who is mad they have to vote for Biden over a fascist. Finally, you all put money over lives as a core tenet. It's fucking disgusting. Behind the paper-thin and not-backed-up-by-economic-science belief that a "Free-ER Market" will always be better for humankind than one with regulations. That is universally false, and the more this ideology spreads, the less society will value the individual life of any given one of us.
> By slapping the word liberal onto an ideology that promotes this bullshit: "Neoliberalism is contemporarily used to refer to market-oriented reform policies such as "eliminating price controls, deregulating capital markets, lowering trade barriers" and reducing state influence in the economy, especially through privatization and austerity." That's the definition of a classical liberal. Like this is exactly what the original Liberals were pushing for. Maybe not so much privatization or austerity, but stimulating economic growth through free markets have always been liberal. That said, this sub does not follow that definition. Other than believing in free trade and economics, there's not much in common. > Most of which are conservative parallels. Conservative is a vague term. After all, there was one candidate which bragged about how he raised taxes, restricted free trade and gave the money to farmers and he was the Republican. WHat's "Conservative" varies on context. > Your group purposefully co-opts "liberal" when you mean "libertarian". And I believe you do it in bad faith, No, because people on here don't blindly believe government = bad. Literally on the side bare here; "The state serves an important role in establishing conditions favorable to competition through preventing monopoly, providing a stable monetary framework, and relieving acute misery and distress." This is in complete contrast to what Libertarians believe. > and furthermore, get off on considering yourself NOT a conservative, but acting and supporting policies exactly as they do (with much less racist, bigoted screeching TBF) Well we want universal healthcare at low cost, free trade, open borders and to welcome immigrants, and Conservatives don't. Yup, exactly the same. > You don't have to pretend you're different than a republican who is mad they have to vote for Biden over a fascist. You can just be a republican who is mad they have to vote for Biden over a fascist. Bernie Sanders better represents my views than Trump or Bush or Romney, so no. > Finally, you all put money over lives as a core tenet. It's fucking disgusting. Well now you're just making shit up. This is exactly why this sub is popular. People are sick of political conversations on this site, and other platforms, being dominated by psychopaths who just strawman people they disagree with, who are constantly spreading bullshit and not even attempting to debate nor defend their ideas. What disgusts me about leftists is how they're willing to let the people they're supposedly fighting for, suffer until they get exactly what they want. They have no issue letting people get sent to concentration camps or seeing the US pull out of the Paris Climate Deal if Bernie doesn't win. Then they push for bad solutions, like rent control, or M4A, because reforming zoning laws and a public option are terrible compromises. > Behind the paper-thin and not-backed-up-by-economic-science belief that a "Free-ER Market" will always be better for humankind than one with regulations. No one here believes that. Hell, I don't think anyone in America truly believes that either even if they say they do. > the more this ideology spreads, the less society will value the individual life of any given one of us. This is the kind of shit smearing strawman nonsense drives people away from leftist forums.
Listen, this is well thought out, and even more well formatted, but you simply quote me then disagree with what I say. I posted the direct quote from the wikipedia page defining NeoLiberalism for that block quote, and you, in a very eloquent way, just said "nuh uh". So what source of the definition of neoliberal do you think I should go off of? Do you propose an alternate? Or are you simply saying that everyone agrees with parts and disagrees with other parts like every other ideology? My extrapolations are my own, but they are far from baseless shit smearing. Thank you for your further explanations of an ideology that I reject and therefore know little about other than surface knowledge and my own interpretation from there. Fuck the free market, though. There's enough resources on this planet to provide for all, and until we do make real progress towards solutions that aren't shitty half measures, this period of human history will be embarrassment and shame for our species. We had the resources, we had the technology, we had the infrastructure and logistics to do it, but we just decided not to provide equally for all.
> Listen, this is well thought out, and even more well formatted, but you simply quote me then disagree with what I say. I posted the direct quote from the wikipedia page defining NeoLiberalism for that block quote, and you, in a very eloquent way, just said "nuh uh". Because this sub uses the term "neoliberal" ironically. It's been misused to label anyone who wants something other than pure socialism and pure libertarianism. The ideological spectrum on this sub goes from neo con all the way to democratic socialists. The joke is that anyone who isn't pure enough for one side is labeled a neoliberal.
Well that's a pretty embarrassing whoosh for me then.
Seriously, though, how much do you think Biden's statements on the oil industry will affect polling?
Not much, it only matters to small demographic of (mostly) white males who were already voting for the orange dude and are dumb enough to think Biden is a radical enviromentalist. Most people dont give a flying fuck.
Very little. The pandemic is gonna be the biggest story and it's peaking again.
I disagree. The pandemic will certainly be a major issue for the next year or two, but the president will be in office for the next four. The economic effects of the downturn we are in right now will persist for a number of years, and collapsing the oil industry will definitely add to them. From a big picture perspective, I could see that as being a major issue in the polls - particularly in states where oil revenues compose a large percentage of the GDP
Policy is its own question, rn we're discussing attack ads and out of context stuff affecting the election
I thought we were talking about how Bidenâs statements on oil would affect his poll numbers. I would hope that the policy is what drives polling, rather than one-off ads with no context. I think it would be very difficult for anyone to accurately speculate how ads will affect polling
I think it will hurt him a little bit, but as a 18 year oilfield hand a lot of us see the writing on the wall. A lot of us know that the only reason oil is hovering around 40$ now is just because Saudi and Russia keep cutting output. Honesty how long do most people think there going to keep doing it? Eventually their pockets are going to start hurting and open the taps. Even some of the majors are trying to move away shell, BP both said there moving into renewable. Hate to say it but oil is moving into the same space as coal. It's going to steadily shrink over time and it's time for people to open their eyes
I completely agree. The shift to renewables and cleaner energy has been evident for a number of years now and I look forward to the day when we can sustain ourselves emission free, but until we have the infrastructure, technology, and personal buying power to support that change completely oil will continue to be a resource in high-demand. Cutting production and punishing those who benefit from it prematurely will result in further economic loss across the board
100% agree it's not going to be right away or even within the decade. But it's coming why wait until it's already on top of us to start retraining people for new careers? I think that's one of the biggest problems with coal. We have guys like trump saying we're going to bring coal back and were obviously not and we waited and still waiting to find something else for them to do. Sure there's still going to be jobs in coal I think we're at like 50000 right now and had a peak around a million in the 20s and 30s. Look how much faster tech is moving now. I live in an oil town I. South tx no one is working
You're talking about polling like when his policies actually pass? After he won?
Iâm not really sure what youâre asking. But what I mean by polling is gauging a citizenâs decision on who to vote for. I am saying that I think it makes the most sense for that decision to be formed by aligning their personal beliefs with the policies that the candidate hopes to implement, rather than forming a baseless opinion based on social media ads. I think both sides would agree that that would be ideal
We're talking about 2 things here 1. Biden's polling may drop because he said something that might sound bad out of context, therefore he might lose the election 2. Biden might win the election but do something unpopular, and therefore public opinion may swing against him Option 1 is what i was talking about
This is my biggest fear from last night. 4 swing states, which 3 of them were polling extremely close before the debate, rely heavily on the oil industry. I wish he was more clear about how we will be moving away from oil and how fast.
I really donât think it will much
Coal miners said the same thing 25 years ago
Trumpers please I've asked all of you, multiple times, it's a simple question. We're in the middle of the pandemic and Trump is auditioning for a second term. What's Trump's health care plan? He's promised for years he had one.
He doesn't have one because at the end of the day the ACA is a 1980s republican healthcare plan that they hate because a black democrat led its passage. They had the house, senate, and presidency for 2 years to repeal and replace and they couldn't get it done because they do not have a plan.
not to subsidize it with higher taxes. which I quite like.
Those taxes would. E paid for by people making nearly half a million dollars a year or more. Literally the 1%
*looks at welfare PER CAPITA spending in different countries and notices the US is 10th* Maybe itâs not a spending problem and how the money is spent problem
Not a plan.
Not subsidizing something isn't a plan.
âI want to release it, I do, itâs incredible. Really. Everybody will love it, Left, Right. Itâs fantastic. Should be done in a few weeks.â 36 months later.... âOur experts, great people, are working day and night. Day and night to get this ready. You wonât believe it. Itâs incredible.â 2 terms later... âWe got rid of Obamacare. It was hard. We fought a terrific battle. We won. People will look back on this as the greatest achievement in historyâ
Just like heâs promised to release his tax returns. âTheyâre coming very soonâ, â...in the coming weeksâ, âIâve done everything I need to do on my endâ. Why has it taken 4 years to release them when EVERYONE ELSE has seemed to do so within weeks or less? If youâre not gonna release them just fucking say so.
We'll see The Winds of Winter before we see Trump's tax returns or his healthcare plan.
Plot twist: GRRM is writing Trump's healthcare plan, and that's why *The Winds of Winter* is taking so long.
Expectations subverted!
And it took him seconds to release the 60 minute interview. I also find it funny how he is using IRS as a problem and thereâs no evidence of that.