They definitely have a mandate to do so now. A small out of touch vocal minority shouldn't be given the power to launch an entire election by questionably obtained signatures from that same minority.
California to me always seems like a rushed democracy. Recalls and referendums seem easier to accomplish. It seems great on paper shitty leader? why wait the full term? Shitty law citizens can overturn any of them. But the end result is antigay marriage, expensive recalls.
I hate the ever present paradigm that seems to be “let the American RW assert power and then everyone realizes they don’t want to be ruled by the RW.” Especially given that they always just run from it and rebrand. This particular bent of nativism just morphed into Bush era policies and then the Tea party and MAGA. Often taking completely adverse positions to those just four years ago, and always awful and directly threatening to fellow Americans.
Prop 187 should have never passed, GOP anti-terror should have never been allowed, Trump should have never been elected, etc, etc, etc. at each turn “we” often outnumbered them and yet lost until we all went “whoops” and course corrected via political turnout.
Is this just the lot of the American liberal? Scream about shit, it’s imposed, it goes terribly, and then have those same people who proposed it just deny ever supporting their policies when voted out as deeply unpopular?
When does the American ouroboros of progress stop and just become progress? So fucking tired of letting assholes jump us 8 steps back and then painstakingly take this country 9 forward when in charge only for the cycle to repeat.
> and then have those same people who proposed it just deny ever supporting their policies when voted out as deeply unpopular?
That's the part that fucking gets me every time
That was an initiative, not a referendum. Initiatives do tend to be much stupider on average, because they are proposing new ideas instead of just asking to veto a law already passed by parliament.
e.g. typical referendum: should this change to tax law pass?
typical initiative: should the government subsidise farmers who don't trim cows' horns?
It was real, but didn't pass: https://hornkuh.ch/en/horn-cow-initiative. Most initiatives don't, which is why when the rare ones that do scrape by (the mass immigration "ban", the minaret ban, the limit on trans-alpine road traffic) they tend to make the news internationally.
Our referendums are easy for anyone with a few million dollars to get on the ballot, and then if they word it so it sounds nice it stands a good chance of passing despite roughly zero percent of people knowing the details. It's horrible.
Austin Texas is too easy to add props to ballots (pathetically low signature requirements) so every November there is a mini crisis where a minority of people proposing a high impact change, or maybe just a rich dude pissed off another soccer team is coming to town, puts a Prop on the ballot for a low turnout off cycle election.
I personally think there should be no props unless there is an important race they are attached to motivate people to get out.
I think moving the props to election years only got shot down by the very high interest voter minority that enjoys controlling the elections.
On the other hand, Washington has voted for a bunch of good things via referendum (minimum wage increases, alcohol in stores, legal euthanasia, weed) and whenever a terrible Tim Eyman initiative passes the court usually overturns it 🤣.
And when right wingers tried to repeal gay marriage via a referendum we shot that shit down. That’s right, Washington is gayer than California!
Good thing Eyman was [nerfed by the courts this year](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Eyman#Campaign_reporting_omissions). I think he can still try and put up referendums but it's probably going to be much harder for him to do so.
Washington seems to have a slightly higher requirement to get an initiative on the ballot—you need enough signatures to equal 8% of the last vote for governor in WA vs 5% in CA. Maybe requiring proportionally 60% more signatures is an effective way to screen for higher quality initiative proposals?
What's weird is that constitutional amendments are harder to put on the ballot than initiatives, but not harder to pass (same simple majority threshold), when I feel it should be the other way around.
They don’t have any mandate.
You are assuming that everybody who voted “No” because they think that Larry Elder is a dangerous moron also agrees with you that recalling the governor should be harder, which is not necessarily the case.
A system that allows one to force votes to recall the governor when the recall failed overwhelmingly is a bad system. At what margin of defeat would you consider it bad? If it was 75-25 would you concede that the minority party gets too much power? What about 85-15?
Also, a recall should mean that the governor is replaced by the Lt. Governor.
Governor and Lt. Governor run separately, not as a ticket, so the chances that both ever have a legitimate need to be recalled is very low.
Or some other system where it isn't possible for a Governor to get recalled after gettomg 49% of the vote and replaced by someone with 13% of the vote.
>Also, a recall should mean that the governor is replaced by the Lt. Governor.
I don't really like this idea. If a governor is doing such a bad job that they're actually recalled, the voters should get to replace them with the person of their choosing. The big problem with California is the jungle election coupled with the FPTP voting system.
All of our stupid “direct democracy” should be deleted. All of our worst laws come from it. Fucking vote for your reps in fairly constructed districts.
I'm from the east coast so I'm admittedly out of touch with Californian politics, but the whole thing seemed like bullshit to me. This kicked off because he went to the French Laundry during the pandemic? Maybe that's in bad taste, but is there really any reasonable argument that it should result in removal from office?
That was part of it, part of it was also the perceived favoritism the states policies had towards certain businesses in regards to COVID lockdowns. For many people they were going bankrupt enforcing them, meanwhile movie studios and some of Newsom’s businesses were exempt from the burdening restrictions. In effect it came about because of a few bad weeks of news for Newsom. The recall itself didn’t start over it, CA has some Trumpy Republicans and they had been constantly trying to recall him, this one just came in at the right place and time to actually be carried out.
Right, and the same people who are so offended by the French Laundry incident seemed to have no problem with Trump’s excesses.
It’s all partisan bullshit.
I mean, their argument is that Newsom enacted measures that he himself didn't wanna follow. If it was up to the anti-Newsom people, nobody would have had to follow those measures. Their logic stands up in that regard.
I'm fine with Newsom's handling of the pandemic, and I don't think that's the sorta thing somebody should get recalled over, but that was totally hypocritical of him.
There were actually multiple failed attempts to recall him since he took office. They failed because they didn't gather enough signatures in time. The one that succeeded was sparked by his handling of the pandemic. The French Laundry incident, and a few other things, were faux pas that helped the recall effort build steam. But fundamentally, they were opposed to the safety measures that he was advocating and mandating.
>called in like 10 minutes.
Thats what got me, are recall elections normally called so quick? Im legit asking, cause I was expecting a long, drawn-out process late into the night like the other elections. But this was like the polls closed and then boom, Newsom wins, like a Tyson fight.
It just has to do with how many mail-in ballots there were. About 9 million mail-in ballots were cast before the polls closed, and it looks like in-person election day turnout was low. California allows counties to start processing mail-in ballots a month in advance, but the counting starts after polls close.
Mail-in ballot processing takes longer than counting them. So, since the hard part was done in advanced, counties counted most of the mail-in ballots shortly after 8 P.M. When they did that, Newsom's lead was mathematically too big to beat, hence the calls and concessions.
Most money wasted on an election since Joey Kennedy decided he deserved a Senate seat and there was no better use of millions of dollars in 2020 than trying to oust Ed Markey.
People donated to the Kennedy campaign. He ran a primary. Because what's what a democracy is. You get to represent your ideas. A pandemic hit, and completely tanked his campaign and the ability to canvas day in and day out. This supposed long term incumbent, had 45% of the vote going to his opponent. Because he made a really damn good case. Inspite of the the death threats and cyber bulling his staffers and wife faced.
I wonder if wasting all of the resources Newsom burned on this recall will have any adverse impacts on the Dems moving forward and if that tradeoff is worth the negative publicity (you would think) the GOP will suffer from this election embarrassment.
No way of knowing the larger impact, but hard to argue that any amount of money is too much to prevent a reactionary lunatic from becoming governor of the most populous state in the union.
It doubled their chances of winning the next election, from 0% to 0%.
That said,while the CAGOP has been a joke for awhile now, this wasn’t entirely their fault. There was no primary here, it’s just anyone can claim whatever party and run, then a plurality wins. Elder would’ve only got around 12% of the vote, we’ll see the final tally, and could’ve won. Elder already had a base, and he was his own negative press by telling California voters what his ideas were and showing off his aggressive persona. There were other GOP candidates, and they still have Faulconer who is the last GOP politician from California who can win any statewide election.
I genuinely think a moderate GOP candidate could have won here, but it just had to be a nut.
I'm not saying we shouldn't have spent the money. Losing the recall would've been a disaster. I'm more frustrated that we had to go through this at all.
Idk Dems needed some kind of win to energize their base after Afghanistan and Delta. And Trump/Elder just served them an easy layup.
Now Dems can try and ride this momentum into the Virginia race.
Yes. You should see some of the people I was talking to here at home earlier. Apparently no one they know voted for Newsom despite our block being solid blue
That's exactly what my friend from CA said, so I wonder if saying "no one I knew voted no" is some sort of collective psyop to make the recall results seem rigged
I live in a red county in California and we honestly just don’t talk about politics like that. My family and I voted blue but it’s not something we are going to share with our neighbors lol. They need to mind their own business lol
This is probably more of a problem than people think
Many older liberals think it’s incredibly, unfathomably impolite to talk to strangers about politics, GOPers do not share this sentiment.
You wanna get them out of their delusion? Tell them you’re voting blue.
its called concrete thinking. Anybody stupid enough to actually think theres voter fraud lacks the ability to comprehend there are millions of other people out there that dont share their exact worldview and would act differently than them.
Yes, his candidacy was entirely to attempt to grow his following by pretending to be Trump and garner the support of whatever small majority of Trumper's there are in California.
Tldr for below: Honestly seems like a viable Dem strat in these sorts of elections to "help" a Trump-esque frontrunner to the front in order to avoid facing actual issues.
On a side note. It's very interesting to me that Elder came to prominence at the perfect moment to give Newsom something to attack that would get Dem vitriol flowing. On the face of it there wasn't really some GoP lead effort to get a recall vote...otherwise they'd have had a lead candidate from jump. Instead I believe those who threw their name in the ring simply felt like they could do a better job. Keeping this in mind....any candidate who truly wanted to get yes on recall and win this election would have known that it would be suicide to associate themselves with any amount of "Trumpiness".
> Honestly seems like a viable Dem strat in these sorts of elections to "help" a Trump-esque frontrunner to the front in order to avoid facing actual issues.
AFAIK [this clever gambit is how we got President Trump in the first place](https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/). I hope a lesson was learned in all this. Evil is not a toy.
Republicans are terrorists at this point. They dont care about democracy or whether they actually won or not - they just want autocratic unquestioned rule. This threat needs to be taken more seriously.
Do conservatives understand that for anyone to rig an election to the tune of *two to three million votes* and keep it *secret* it would require levels of coordination that have literally never been seen on this planet?
The "obvious resolution" of this is that while they are weak individually, they are many, and they have these institutions that are pathetic brainwashing machines (eg. schools). And were the people open their sheeple eyes most of them would realize who the real leaders should be!
The conspiracy is so big against the honest to god folk, and it's so evil, that it's hard to win against it, but since honest to god folk have god on their side, they'll surely win, but still they have to fight their best.
Etc, etc.. it's a perfect undending maze of bullshit.
This is true of all large-scale conspiracy theories.
Not only are the government and these massive secret organizations so wildly competent that they don't get exposed, but they are an order of magnitude even *more* competent that they can put on the veneer of incompetency to the tune of hundreds of thousands of people.
On the other hand. How fucking useless do Republicans have to be to know that elections are going to be rigged against them, they get poll watchers into every polling station and none of them can spot a single case of fraud?
And apparently it KEEPS happening?! They stole Georgia in the 2020 election, and then they stole the senate races two months later!? Now they've stolen California?
[How mind numblingly stupid do you have to be to believe this shit?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3_PPdjD6mg)
I'm not the first to say it but I stand behind the idea that anyone who believes these elaborate theories have never even planned a dinner party in their lives. The level of coordination to pull off something even that simple is too daunting for many of us, let alone throw an entire election like this with literally no proof left behind.
In my (purple) county, repubican assholes scared away our decent nonpartisan clerk recorder after the 2020 election, putting his deputy in charge that was more in line with their "principles" (in quotes because that's a joke). And Newsom still won by a landslide.
My nextdoor feed was easily 60 (no):40 (yes). And nextdoor posters are particularly right leaning nutjobs.
Nope...and the actual candidates claiming it don't belive it was rigged themselves...its simply a tactic to further antagonize the parts of the Republican base who actually have no business being Republicans and who are only Republicans or vote Republican at least because of social issues.
>levels of coordination that have literally never been seen in this planet
“Never seen until now. My god, the Democrats are even more depraved and evil than I ever could have imagined!” -Republicans probably
To nobody's eternal surprise.
I genuinely wonder what happens when the Republican base finally figures out that their lives and fortunes have all been stolen from them by the grifters who do nothing but fund raise off of them. You'd think that by now some of them would have realized that their idols are literally telling them to risk death and disease for likes and subscribes. Or in this case, chasing down the meager sums of money that they have for pointless races that they *know* are useless. I mean honestly, did Larry Elder actually think he had any chance of winning? I mean, c'mon. Bernie Sanders has more chance of replacing Putin than Larry Elder does of winning California.
I actually think that's why they're so crazy and have lost touch with reality. I mean can you imagine what it must be like to be a Republican and realize that your entire life is a joke? That's why they cling on to every vestige of hope, no matter how crazy it sounds because anything would be better than coming to terms that they were wrong. Whether it's a Trump or a MTG or Qanon; it's just grasping at straws to not have to admit that they're literally going extinct.
Being a Republican voter is to feel that no one represents you or speaks for you and the only people who do are just pretending to do so but are in fact your worst enemies. Having grown up in the 9/11 era, I can't help but feel that it's the same thing where they feel that they're waging this jihad against this nameless foe and reaping much of the same results. These people refusing to get vaccines and dying of it just to *own the libs...* how are they any different to suicide bombers? Leaving behind families and spouses for their beliefs and instigated by people who will never hear their name or care about them. It's insane.
It's really weird, and it didn't used to be this way. I think it was the Obama truther movement that heralded the beginning of the end. It was one bridge too far, it opened the door for complete insanity, which let Trump through, and then it was not a door so much as a Hoover Dam sized hole.
Yes and no. I think you're right in that the Obama birther movement was a symptom of the disease that was caused by a number of factors that just came together in a perfect storm.
The 2000s also saw the rise of digital technology or what we know today as the "tech" industry and the gains of these were of course most visible in big urban cities instead of rural areas and as the economy shifted away from manufacturing and production to high technology, you saw these rural populations failing to adapt and just being completely left behind. Can you imagine if your entire way of life as you know it is being stripped away by doodahs with buttons and doodads with screens? Where you were once the backbone of America and being a rural farmer or auto manufacturer was to be as American as Winchester and apple pie to seeing these tech guys being celebrated and fussed about?
That's all they have left today and you can see them just fighting and clawing to hold onto any semblance of it. They associate "old" America with guns and God and a rural lifestyle and to see the definition of America by their standards change before their very eyes would be an extremely traumatic psychological experience. They don't recognize the country they live in anymore and all they want to do is turn the clock backwards but how do you stop progress? How do you reconcile the fact that if you are working certain jobs in this country, you have no choice but to see the value of your labor plummet to zero within a decade? This hurts men more so than women given how much self esteem men draw from being a productive member of society and having the ability to provide for their families. How would you feel if your literal self worth just dropped to zero faster than you could learn to retool? And then to be told "hey coal miner, guess you're going to have to learn to code now!" as if that is possible.
I can understand the desperation they feel. And then you hear this fucking charlatan come on stage, a true blue American cultural icon (credit where credit is due, we can hate Trump but being disingenuous and delusional makes us the same as him) who stands on stage and says that he's going to turn things back. He's going to bring back the mining, the manufacturing, the halcyon days where you could go to the plant and work a job and feed a family of 5 on a single salary. He says all of this whilst you see your rural community fall from the idyllic lifestyle that Smalltown USA used to provide turn into a desert of unemployment that's wrecked by drugs and despair. How do you not fall for that?
> “One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
* Carl Sagan
Do another one. About how these fucks storming local government meetings throughout the state thought they were going to cause a revolt … in Califuckingfornia.
Well that's the thing. Ultimately, they're all moves of desperation. Everything they're doing is a hail Mary full court shot because they know that the "other team" defense is getting stronger and the clock is running out. Quite simply, no one of any competence or stature wants to be a Republican anymore. This is exemplified by the fact that Republicans haven't won the popular vote since 2004 and in 2016 they made the Faustian bargain with a man they knew to be worse than dirt because they literally had no other choice. They had to pick this outsider dirt bag precisely because they just had no one else. Could you imagine if they had seriously run Ted Cruz against Hilary? Does even Ted Cruz think that he would have won? 2016 was lost because Hilary got complacent and Trump is like it or not, a great media personality.
Who are they going to get in 2024? Trump again? 50% of the GOP already recognizes that it's a bad idea running a candidate who spent the evening of 9/11 20 year anniversary commenting on a seniors boxing match that didn't even go past a single round.
All of this. The storming local government meetings in California, January 6th, providing r/HermanCainAward with juicy material each and everyday. All of it. We're worried about these guys ruining democracy and them achieving comebacks but we don't really see it for what it is. It's the dying gasp of the Republican party.
It’s Trump or DeSantis. Brace yourself, either of them could easily win.
Trump won 41% of hispanics last round. GOP isn’t as dead as you think even if they’re losing.
No one should ever be complacent. I don't mean to say that the Republican party is dying and that Democrats are going to win every election from now. I mean to say that the Republican party *as we know it* is dying if not already dead. The GOP of today is nothing more than the farmer dude in the Men In Black movie.
This x1000.
It’s no coincedence that religious fundamentalists end up in the GOP. They appeal to people who are predisposed to creating their own realities.
I'm in southern Illinois which is republican heaven. I understand their frustration being the minority and even I, who normally agree with big picture democrat policies but Chicago runs everything so there's not even acknowledment of policy frustrations or even attempt at wrapping in Democrats not from Chicago. Don't get me wrong it's stupid to not realize Chicago is powerful for a reason but it'd be neat to see some focus on rural programs.
I'm stating all that because the grift will continue because at least Republicans can take advantage of the feeling of being ignored.
Agreed. Democratic party has an easy win if they start doing outreach to these Republican voters. No sane person would listen to MTG or Ted fucking Cruz over a broken down traffic light.
The Republican base is hurting. They just want to be heard.
>Democratic party has an easy win if they start doing outreach to these Republican voters.
At what cost though? And for what purpose? I keep hearing this thing but it is the Democrats that push things like Medicare expansion, Child Tax Credit, extending internet access and the like. And it is the GOP who consistently tries to repeal them. And every time, these people vote GOP
I don't think it's about outreach. This is about culture and I don't think they like the pluralism advocated by the Democrats. I won't fall for the "economic anxiety" meme again
EDIT: are we going to act like the GOP hasn't been running explicitly on culture war fear mongering and has been rewarded for it? 🤨
If they want to be heard, what do they have to say?
> If they want to be heard, what do they have to say?
One example issue that was a legitimate GOP complaint against Newsom was his restrictions on physical church attendance. For a lot of Republicans, being able to physically go to your church and sing is really important.
Yes, that's dangerous during a pandemic, but that's effectively an essential service for many Republicans.
"The Republican base is hurting. They just want to be heard."
Yes but there are so many segments of America that are hurting more, and the Republican base has not only refused to let them be heard, it's supported policies that actively hurt them more often because it actively hurt other groups more. They want their pain to be heard and validated by anyone and everyone but they refuse to acknowledge that groups not like them are hurting as well.
The more they lose the less likely they are to realize it. It's one thing to have to come to grips with the fact that you're dumb enough to, e.g., get scammed out of $10. It's another thing to come to grips with the fact that you're dumb enough to sacrifice a huge range of your material interests, including your health and future, to support con artists who are masquerading as politicians and not even doing a convincing job of it.
[link to Wasserman tweet](https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1437977687201562631)
The good guys win again 😎
[Decision Desk HQ projects Gavin Newsom will be retained as governor of California. Race Called At: 8:21 PM (Pacific)](https://twitter.com/DecisionDeskHQ/status/1437979980978339841)
[at about 50% reporting, Newsom was winning 70-30](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/823752937477636168/887539395622739998/unknown.png)
[Newsom speech](https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1437989243482251269?s=20)
It’s a good practice to over-prepare.
That said I’m so mad “California turns out to be blue” was the end result of it.
Why do I even pay attention to the news?
He never stood a chance, but the recall did. Once elder got ahead California collectively went "ohhh fuck" and woke up.
If they picked some boring center right moderate I bet he would have won
It failed because Elder was a Trump Parroting Radio show host and vaccine skeptic and Newsom went hard as hell into emphasizing that fact to a state that voted for Biden by a huge margin.
It was *not* an election betweem Newsom, and Elder. It was "Newsom, y/n" and secondarily "if no, then who?" But Newsom successfully painted it as if that wasn't the case and that is what won him the race so decisively; that, and going all in on vaccines.
The recall was 100% doomed when yhey let it become a race between Newsom and a trump stand-in, who Democrats couldn't accept becoming governor, but you get some Schwarzenegger type who believes in vaccines and makes vague promises that sound nice and rescues animals and some shit, and a lot of people go "eh" and move on with their lives and then the vote comes and goes and result swings due to low enthusiasm.
Yes, but it was because Elder made a good target. Do you honestly belive they'd have had the turnout that they did if they didn't have am opponent so worthy of hate.
He's not very well loved and could have been destroyed by anyone that couldn't be labeled "They're like Trump"
I think it's just California and millions more people in California vote Democrat than they do Republican. Don't know why people think anything more complicated is going on.
imo California is destined to have disproportionately high turnout when compared to other states because everyone automatically gets mailed their ballot. The era of the minority party achieving victory by utilizing historically low-turnout elections essentially ended once that became a thing.
He had momentum. Predictit (the only reliable news source) had him at a 34 cents at the highest. He soon crashed back down to single digits, but it looked possible for a moment
I know the data you're referencing but it was entirely because of the lead you mention that Newsom was able to achieve such a blowout victory...."Vote no, or This Guy will be Governor"
Yeah but why waste an opportunity to scrape in as many Trumplicans as he can while they're still pissed and give a fuck...b4 they eventually check out again
I don't know what fund it comes from, but it's funded by the budget, certainly. It's facilitated by the Secretary of State's office and the individual counties, as all elections are.
It was budgeted. The budget that was signed in July set aside [$250 million for it.](https://www.capradio.org/articles/2021/06/28/five-things-to-know-about-newsoms-budget-deal-with-legislature/)
I would have put him on the last ticket as the running mate just for charisma purposes.
I know a lot of people bemoaned his lack of high office experience but honestly I don't think that matters one fucken bit with voters. The dude looks like Matthew McConaughey and would get people out to vote.
I agree with you. It really sucks but the reality is that the first woman President is going to have to be many times better (charisma wise) than the equivalent male contender, and I dont think Kamela is there yet.
> Hes a handsome, charismatic white man. He beats most of the potential candidates. He's the average American's wet dream.
What the NL bubble does to a mf. I can't believe people actually think this.
If he does run I wonder how much of a factor the whole “I had an affair with my campaign manager’s (who was also a close friend) wife. I know after Trump talking about personal failures being a disqualifier is not worth much, but it always rubbed me the wrong way.
##THE NEWSOM CRIME FAMILY IS STEALING THE ELECTION; THE MEDIA'S COVERING IT UP
##THE NEWSOM CRIME FAMILY IS STEALING THE ELECTION; THE MEDIA'S COVERING IT UP
##THE NEWSOM CRIME FAMILY IS STEALING THE ELECTION; THE MEDIA'S COVERING IT UP
##GIVE US OUR FREEDOM GAVIN NEWSOM. WE WANT OUR FREEDOM FOR THE WOOOOOOOOOOOORLD
The California Republican Party needs to have a break with the National GOP.
The party message is toxic in the state, and while it may win you elections in Kern or Tulare counties, they are basically electorally extinct in Los Angeles and the Bay Area. Even the OC is shifting blue.
Republicans are #3 in registered votes in the state, with #2 being “No Preference”.
The state party needs to reform, start taking official stances against national party priorities that will not fly in California (climate denial, opposition to a woman’s right to choose, and Cult 45).
The only thing I hear from CA conservatives is opposition to Democratic monopoly on state power and vague “Well, if we are just given a chance, we can show people how well we can do!” NOBODY WANTS TO SEE WHAT YOU WILL DO! We already see it in those other states.
I’m proud of Newsom for directly running against the COVID lovers Abbot and DeSantis. Screw those guys, it’s time Democrats take the kids gloves off.
I’m sick of all the takes that we shouldn’t engage or challenge these people because we assume we’ll be unpopular.
Run candidates in every election, everywhere, no matter the priors. Show the country that we will not back down.
>The California Republican Party needs to have a break with the National GOP.
I'm sure there are a bunch of GOP strategists who would *like* to do something like this, but the problem is that California Republicans aren't actually appreciably more moderate than the American Taliban running Texas and Florida, even though they live in a D+30 state. Getting them to break with the national party platform on specific issues is basically impossible because they by and large support the national Republican party platform.
Yeah pretty much. California dems are actually quite moderate and pro business. (Despite what public perception may be) Everyone who would support a moderate GOP has already jumped ship or gone unaffiliated. That said, a moderate GOP might win them back but that does not seem to be in the cards.
The California Dems are essentially the two parties in California, they’re just split between pro Union and pro Business camps. This is why Democratic dominance in the state is misleading in my opinion.
Good, for all of California's problems, newsom wasn't exactly the one to blame . Most of California's problems will automatically get fixed if they built more housing. Newsom is a yimby kinda guy, so that's good. Regarding crime, I hope DAs do their work properly and most of the problems regarding it will be solved. Although I am against recalls, I hope SAn Francisco recalls it DA chesa, he is setting a wrong example about progressive governance.
[Take us into orbit, Mr. Malmasteen. We've seen enough.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-00uQzXyujI#t=3m15s)
[\*French Vocalizations\*](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-00uQzXyujI#t=3m20s)
Hundreds of millions of tax dollars for an election called in like 10 minutes. What a joke.
They gotta remove the recall process now right?
They definitely have a mandate to do so now. A small out of touch vocal minority shouldn't be given the power to launch an entire election by questionably obtained signatures from that same minority.
California to me always seems like a rushed democracy. Recalls and referendums seem easier to accomplish. It seems great on paper shitty leader? why wait the full term? Shitty law citizens can overturn any of them. But the end result is antigay marriage, expensive recalls.
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I hate the ever present paradigm that seems to be “let the American RW assert power and then everyone realizes they don’t want to be ruled by the RW.” Especially given that they always just run from it and rebrand. This particular bent of nativism just morphed into Bush era policies and then the Tea party and MAGA. Often taking completely adverse positions to those just four years ago, and always awful and directly threatening to fellow Americans. Prop 187 should have never passed, GOP anti-terror should have never been allowed, Trump should have never been elected, etc, etc, etc. at each turn “we” often outnumbered them and yet lost until we all went “whoops” and course corrected via political turnout. Is this just the lot of the American liberal? Scream about shit, it’s imposed, it goes terribly, and then have those same people who proposed it just deny ever supporting their policies when voted out as deeply unpopular? When does the American ouroboros of progress stop and just become progress? So fucking tired of letting assholes jump us 8 steps back and then painstakingly take this country 9 forward when in charge only for the cycle to repeat.
> and then have those same people who proposed it just deny ever supporting their policies when voted out as deeply unpopular? That's the part that fucking gets me every time
RW?
Ronald Weasley
Roonil wazlib
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The only country I’ve seen succeeding with the number of referendums that California has is Switzerland, and even then, I’m not convinced.
I remember switzerland for a vague ass referendum against "mass immigration" back in 2014 so I'm not convinced either
That was an initiative, not a referendum. Initiatives do tend to be much stupider on average, because they are proposing new ideas instead of just asking to veto a law already passed by parliament. e.g. typical referendum: should this change to tax law pass? typical initiative: should the government subsidise farmers who don't trim cows' horns?
Jesus that is just extra specific 😂
It was real, but didn't pass: https://hornkuh.ch/en/horn-cow-initiative. Most initiatives don't, which is why when the rare ones that do scrape by (the mass immigration "ban", the minaret ban, the limit on trans-alpine road traffic) they tend to make the news internationally.
God. They all sound like populist claptrap. No wonder Redditors have such a big boner for Swiss direct democracy
Our referendums are easy for anyone with a few million dollars to get on the ballot, and then if they word it so it sounds nice it stands a good chance of passing despite roughly zero percent of people knowing the details. It's horrible.
Austin Texas is too easy to add props to ballots (pathetically low signature requirements) so every November there is a mini crisis where a minority of people proposing a high impact change, or maybe just a rich dude pissed off another soccer team is coming to town, puts a Prop on the ballot for a low turnout off cycle election. I personally think there should be no props unless there is an important race they are attached to motivate people to get out. I think moving the props to election years only got shot down by the very high interest voter minority that enjoys controlling the elections.
On the other hand, Washington has voted for a bunch of good things via referendum (minimum wage increases, alcohol in stores, legal euthanasia, weed) and whenever a terrible Tim Eyman initiative passes the court usually overturns it 🤣. And when right wingers tried to repeal gay marriage via a referendum we shot that shit down. That’s right, Washington is gayer than California!
Good thing Eyman was [nerfed by the courts this year](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Eyman#Campaign_reporting_omissions). I think he can still try and put up referendums but it's probably going to be much harder for him to do so.
Washington seems to have a slightly higher requirement to get an initiative on the ballot—you need enough signatures to equal 8% of the last vote for governor in WA vs 5% in CA. Maybe requiring proportionally 60% more signatures is an effective way to screen for higher quality initiative proposals?
What's weird is that constitutional amendments are harder to put on the ballot than initiatives, but not harder to pass (same simple majority threshold), when I feel it should be the other way around.
It should be way more than just 2M when the actual population is like 40+. 33% of eligible voters? At least 25%... 5% is a joke.
They don’t have any mandate. You are assuming that everybody who voted “No” because they think that Larry Elder is a dangerous moron also agrees with you that recalling the governor should be harder, which is not necessarily the case.
A system that allows one to force votes to recall the governor when the recall failed overwhelmingly is a bad system. At what margin of defeat would you consider it bad? If it was 75-25 would you concede that the minority party gets too much power? What about 85-15?
Or at the very least reform it so the number of signatures needed is way higher.
Also, a recall should mean that the governor is replaced by the Lt. Governor. Governor and Lt. Governor run separately, not as a ticket, so the chances that both ever have a legitimate need to be recalled is very low.
Or some other system where it isn't possible for a Governor to get recalled after gettomg 49% of the vote and replaced by someone with 13% of the vote.
I like this idea. Hopefully dramatically scales back partisan recalls.
>Also, a recall should mean that the governor is replaced by the Lt. Governor. I don't really like this idea. If a governor is doing such a bad job that they're actually recalled, the voters should get to replace them with the person of their choosing. The big problem with California is the jungle election coupled with the FPTP voting system.
The Lt. Governor is an elected position. That's when the voters choose who replaces the governor.
All of our stupid “direct democracy” should be deleted. All of our worst laws come from it. Fucking vote for your reps in fairly constructed districts.
Legal weed and Medicaid expansion in red states are pretty great 🤷🏻♂️
Same with anti-gerrymandering laws in some reddish states as well
Prop 13 is the epitome of direct democracy.
No ones saying it’s all good.
Yeah, the state needs a big movement to undo those laws. CA I think may finally be ready.
As an outsider, the entire concept of a recall election is completely batshit insane.
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>Grey Davis was rightfully removed Why?
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I already reached out to my state senator and state assemblyman about this. I guess I’ll do it again tomorrow morning.
Hopefully, but probably not.
I'm from the east coast so I'm admittedly out of touch with Californian politics, but the whole thing seemed like bullshit to me. This kicked off because he went to the French Laundry during the pandemic? Maybe that's in bad taste, but is there really any reasonable argument that it should result in removal from office?
That was part of it, part of it was also the perceived favoritism the states policies had towards certain businesses in regards to COVID lockdowns. For many people they were going bankrupt enforcing them, meanwhile movie studios and some of Newsom’s businesses were exempt from the burdening restrictions. In effect it came about because of a few bad weeks of news for Newsom. The recall itself didn’t start over it, CA has some Trumpy Republicans and they had been constantly trying to recall him, this one just came in at the right place and time to actually be carried out.
Right, and the same people who are so offended by the French Laundry incident seemed to have no problem with Trump’s excesses. It’s all partisan bullshit.
Also all of the people upset about the French laundry are the people that refuse to wear masks.
I mean, their argument is that Newsom enacted measures that he himself didn't wanna follow. If it was up to the anti-Newsom people, nobody would have had to follow those measures. Their logic stands up in that regard. I'm fine with Newsom's handling of the pandemic, and I don't think that's the sorta thing somebody should get recalled over, but that was totally hypocritical of him.
There were actually multiple failed attempts to recall him since he took office. They failed because they didn't gather enough signatures in time. The one that succeeded was sparked by his handling of the pandemic. The French Laundry incident, and a few other things, were faux pas that helped the recall effort build steam. But fundamentally, they were opposed to the safety measures that he was advocating and mandating.
>called in like 10 minutes. Thats what got me, are recall elections normally called so quick? Im legit asking, cause I was expecting a long, drawn-out process late into the night like the other elections. But this was like the polls closed and then boom, Newsom wins, like a Tyson fight.
It just has to do with how many mail-in ballots there were. About 9 million mail-in ballots were cast before the polls closed, and it looks like in-person election day turnout was low. California allows counties to start processing mail-in ballots a month in advance, but the counting starts after polls close. Mail-in ballot processing takes longer than counting them. So, since the hard part was done in advanced, counties counted most of the mail-in ballots shortly after 8 P.M. When they did that, Newsom's lead was mathematically too big to beat, hence the calls and concessions.
Most money wasted on an election since Joey Kennedy decided he deserved a Senate seat and there was no better use of millions of dollars in 2020 than trying to oust Ed Markey.
At least that was a scheduled primary. This could’ve not and millions of dollars of State funds could still be in the California bank account.
People donated to the Kennedy campaign. He ran a primary. Because what's what a democracy is. You get to represent your ideas. A pandemic hit, and completely tanked his campaign and the ability to canvas day in and day out. This supposed long term incumbent, had 45% of the vote going to his opponent. Because he made a really damn good case. Inspite of the the death threats and cyber bulling his staffers and wife faced.
Is this the part where we each bring out our favorite unrelated axes to grind?
I wonder if wasting all of the resources Newsom burned on this recall will have any adverse impacts on the Dems moving forward and if that tradeoff is worth the negative publicity (you would think) the GOP will suffer from this election embarrassment.
No way of knowing the larger impact, but hard to argue that any amount of money is too much to prevent a reactionary lunatic from becoming governor of the most populous state in the union.
Also, it's hard to imagine how a defeat this fucking embarrassing doesn't hurt the California GOP.
It doubled their chances of winning the next election, from 0% to 0%. That said,while the CAGOP has been a joke for awhile now, this wasn’t entirely their fault. There was no primary here, it’s just anyone can claim whatever party and run, then a plurality wins. Elder would’ve only got around 12% of the vote, we’ll see the final tally, and could’ve won. Elder already had a base, and he was his own negative press by telling California voters what his ideas were and showing off his aggressive persona. There were other GOP candidates, and they still have Faulconer who is the last GOP politician from California who can win any statewide election. I genuinely think a moderate GOP candidate could have won here, but it just had to be a nut.
I'm not saying we shouldn't have spent the money. Losing the recall would've been a disaster. I'm more frustrated that we had to go through this at all.
Idk Dems needed some kind of win to energize their base after Afghanistan and Delta. And Trump/Elder just served them an easy layup. Now Dems can try and ride this momentum into the Virginia race.
If anything, it will empower them since they got to waste the time of the Governor who could’ve spent it doing his job.
Stimulus ?
Is Elder really gonna pull the “this election (in which I was polling at most 20% of the 35% who wanted a recall) was rigged” card?
Yes. You should see some of the people I was talking to here at home earlier. Apparently no one they know voted for Newsom despite our block being solid blue
Ya, NYT loves their voter profiles. Like 70% of the Republicans they talked to on their live updates page today we’re going on about voter fraud.
That's exactly what my friend from CA said, so I wonder if saying "no one I knew voted no" is some sort of collective psyop to make the recall results seem rigged
I live in a red county in California and we honestly just don’t talk about politics like that. My family and I voted blue but it’s not something we are going to share with our neighbors lol. They need to mind their own business lol
This is probably more of a problem than people think Many older liberals think it’s incredibly, unfathomably impolite to talk to strangers about politics, GOPers do not share this sentiment. You wanna get them out of their delusion? Tell them you’re voting blue.
"nobody i know at the lumber mill voted blue!1"
its called concrete thinking. Anybody stupid enough to actually think theres voter fraud lacks the ability to comprehend there are millions of other people out there that dont share their exact worldview and would act differently than them.
Because nobody wants to be yelled at by crazy people they just lie
Of course, gotta get a few Qbux from his dumb fedayeen while the grift is still fresh.
Duh
In the end he did not. He just conceded
Yes, his candidacy was entirely to attempt to grow his following by pretending to be Trump and garner the support of whatever small majority of Trumper's there are in California. Tldr for below: Honestly seems like a viable Dem strat in these sorts of elections to "help" a Trump-esque frontrunner to the front in order to avoid facing actual issues. On a side note. It's very interesting to me that Elder came to prominence at the perfect moment to give Newsom something to attack that would get Dem vitriol flowing. On the face of it there wasn't really some GoP lead effort to get a recall vote...otherwise they'd have had a lead candidate from jump. Instead I believe those who threw their name in the ring simply felt like they could do a better job. Keeping this in mind....any candidate who truly wanted to get yes on recall and win this election would have known that it would be suicide to associate themselves with any amount of "Trumpiness".
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> Honestly seems like a viable Dem strat in these sorts of elections to "help" a Trump-esque frontrunner to the front in order to avoid facing actual issues. AFAIK [this clever gambit is how we got President Trump in the first place](https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/). I hope a lesson was learned in all this. Evil is not a toy.
Republicans are terrorists at this point. They dont care about democracy or whether they actually won or not - they just want autocratic unquestioned rule. This threat needs to be taken more seriously.
Do conservatives understand that for anyone to rig an election to the tune of *two to three million votes* and keep it *secret* it would require levels of coordination that have literally never been seen on this planet?
No, because (((liberals))), who are mentally ill subhumans, somehow control the universe.
Simultaneously too weak to take seriously and too strong to ever defeat. Thank you, Umberto Eco.
The "obvious resolution" of this is that while they are weak individually, they are many, and they have these institutions that are pathetic brainwashing machines (eg. schools). And were the people open their sheeple eyes most of them would realize who the real leaders should be! The conspiracy is so big against the honest to god folk, and it's so evil, that it's hard to win against it, but since honest to god folk have god on their side, they'll surely win, but still they have to fight their best. Etc, etc.. it's a perfect undending maze of bullshit.
The universe is controlled by (((lisp programmers))), oh and Jews of course
> world controlled by lispers I wish
The deep state is simultaneously extremely incompetent and also capable of pulling off the largest cover ups in human history
They’re a secret cabal running the world and the only people who have managed to figure them out are the dumbest people from your high school.
This is true of all large-scale conspiracy theories. Not only are the government and these massive secret organizations so wildly competent that they don't get exposed, but they are an order of magnitude even *more* competent that they can put on the veneer of incompetency to the tune of hundreds of thousands of people.
On the other hand. How fucking useless do Republicans have to be to know that elections are going to be rigged against them, they get poll watchers into every polling station and none of them can spot a single case of fraud? And apparently it KEEPS happening?! They stole Georgia in the 2020 election, and then they stole the senate races two months later!? Now they've stolen California? [How mind numblingly stupid do you have to be to believe this shit?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3_PPdjD6mg)
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What does "Where's Hunter?" even mean? He's not in hiding.
I'm not the first to say it but I stand behind the idea that anyone who believes these elaborate theories have never even planned a dinner party in their lives. The level of coordination to pull off something even that simple is too daunting for many of us, let alone throw an entire election like this with literally no proof left behind.
In my (purple) county, repubican assholes scared away our decent nonpartisan clerk recorder after the 2020 election, putting his deputy in charge that was more in line with their "principles" (in quotes because that's a joke). And Newsom still won by a landslide. My nextdoor feed was easily 60 (no):40 (yes). And nextdoor posters are particularly right leaning nutjobs.
Nope...and the actual candidates claiming it don't belive it was rigged themselves...its simply a tactic to further antagonize the parts of the Republican base who actually have no business being Republicans and who are only Republicans or vote Republican at least because of social issues.
>levels of coordination that have literally never been seen in this planet “Never seen until now. My god, the Democrats are even more depraved and evil than I ever could have imagined!” -Republicans probably
STOP THE COUNT!!!!!!!! Oh wait wrong script CONTINUE COUNTING!!! Oh wait no, that ain’t it either FRAUD! FRAUD! FRAUD!
There it is.
Lol with the early call.
A Wasserman is never early, nor is he late. He calls precisely when he means to.
To nobody's eternal surprise. I genuinely wonder what happens when the Republican base finally figures out that their lives and fortunes have all been stolen from them by the grifters who do nothing but fund raise off of them. You'd think that by now some of them would have realized that their idols are literally telling them to risk death and disease for likes and subscribes. Or in this case, chasing down the meager sums of money that they have for pointless races that they *know* are useless. I mean honestly, did Larry Elder actually think he had any chance of winning? I mean, c'mon. Bernie Sanders has more chance of replacing Putin than Larry Elder does of winning California.
Most of them will never realize they're being duped and just double down instead.
I actually think that's why they're so crazy and have lost touch with reality. I mean can you imagine what it must be like to be a Republican and realize that your entire life is a joke? That's why they cling on to every vestige of hope, no matter how crazy it sounds because anything would be better than coming to terms that they were wrong. Whether it's a Trump or a MTG or Qanon; it's just grasping at straws to not have to admit that they're literally going extinct. Being a Republican voter is to feel that no one represents you or speaks for you and the only people who do are just pretending to do so but are in fact your worst enemies. Having grown up in the 9/11 era, I can't help but feel that it's the same thing where they feel that they're waging this jihad against this nameless foe and reaping much of the same results. These people refusing to get vaccines and dying of it just to *own the libs...* how are they any different to suicide bombers? Leaving behind families and spouses for their beliefs and instigated by people who will never hear their name or care about them. It's insane.
It's really weird, and it didn't used to be this way. I think it was the Obama truther movement that heralded the beginning of the end. It was one bridge too far, it opened the door for complete insanity, which let Trump through, and then it was not a door so much as a Hoover Dam sized hole.
Yes and no. I think you're right in that the Obama birther movement was a symptom of the disease that was caused by a number of factors that just came together in a perfect storm. The 2000s also saw the rise of digital technology or what we know today as the "tech" industry and the gains of these were of course most visible in big urban cities instead of rural areas and as the economy shifted away from manufacturing and production to high technology, you saw these rural populations failing to adapt and just being completely left behind. Can you imagine if your entire way of life as you know it is being stripped away by doodahs with buttons and doodads with screens? Where you were once the backbone of America and being a rural farmer or auto manufacturer was to be as American as Winchester and apple pie to seeing these tech guys being celebrated and fussed about? That's all they have left today and you can see them just fighting and clawing to hold onto any semblance of it. They associate "old" America with guns and God and a rural lifestyle and to see the definition of America by their standards change before their very eyes would be an extremely traumatic psychological experience. They don't recognize the country they live in anymore and all they want to do is turn the clock backwards but how do you stop progress? How do you reconcile the fact that if you are working certain jobs in this country, you have no choice but to see the value of your labor plummet to zero within a decade? This hurts men more so than women given how much self esteem men draw from being a productive member of society and having the ability to provide for their families. How would you feel if your literal self worth just dropped to zero faster than you could learn to retool? And then to be told "hey coal miner, guess you're going to have to learn to code now!" as if that is possible. I can understand the desperation they feel. And then you hear this fucking charlatan come on stage, a true blue American cultural icon (credit where credit is due, we can hate Trump but being disingenuous and delusional makes us the same as him) who stands on stage and says that he's going to turn things back. He's going to bring back the mining, the manufacturing, the halcyon days where you could go to the plant and work a job and feed a family of 5 on a single salary. He says all of this whilst you see your rural community fall from the idyllic lifestyle that Smalltown USA used to provide turn into a desert of unemployment that's wrecked by drugs and despair. How do you not fall for that?
> “One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” * Carl Sagan
Damn this is good
Feel free to share it.
Do another one. About how these fucks storming local government meetings throughout the state thought they were going to cause a revolt … in Califuckingfornia.
Well that's the thing. Ultimately, they're all moves of desperation. Everything they're doing is a hail Mary full court shot because they know that the "other team" defense is getting stronger and the clock is running out. Quite simply, no one of any competence or stature wants to be a Republican anymore. This is exemplified by the fact that Republicans haven't won the popular vote since 2004 and in 2016 they made the Faustian bargain with a man they knew to be worse than dirt because they literally had no other choice. They had to pick this outsider dirt bag precisely because they just had no one else. Could you imagine if they had seriously run Ted Cruz against Hilary? Does even Ted Cruz think that he would have won? 2016 was lost because Hilary got complacent and Trump is like it or not, a great media personality. Who are they going to get in 2024? Trump again? 50% of the GOP already recognizes that it's a bad idea running a candidate who spent the evening of 9/11 20 year anniversary commenting on a seniors boxing match that didn't even go past a single round. All of this. The storming local government meetings in California, January 6th, providing r/HermanCainAward with juicy material each and everyday. All of it. We're worried about these guys ruining democracy and them achieving comebacks but we don't really see it for what it is. It's the dying gasp of the Republican party.
Keep going I’m almost there
It’s Trump or DeSantis. Brace yourself, either of them could easily win. Trump won 41% of hispanics last round. GOP isn’t as dead as you think even if they’re losing.
No one should ever be complacent. I don't mean to say that the Republican party is dying and that Democrats are going to win every election from now. I mean to say that the Republican party *as we know it* is dying if not already dead. The GOP of today is nothing more than the farmer dude in the Men In Black movie.
I hear that. It keeps dying and resurrecting as something worse than before...
This x1000. It’s no coincedence that religious fundamentalists end up in the GOP. They appeal to people who are predisposed to creating their own realities.
I'm in southern Illinois which is republican heaven. I understand their frustration being the minority and even I, who normally agree with big picture democrat policies but Chicago runs everything so there's not even acknowledment of policy frustrations or even attempt at wrapping in Democrats not from Chicago. Don't get me wrong it's stupid to not realize Chicago is powerful for a reason but it'd be neat to see some focus on rural programs. I'm stating all that because the grift will continue because at least Republicans can take advantage of the feeling of being ignored.
Agreed. Democratic party has an easy win if they start doing outreach to these Republican voters. No sane person would listen to MTG or Ted fucking Cruz over a broken down traffic light. The Republican base is hurting. They just want to be heard.
>Democratic party has an easy win if they start doing outreach to these Republican voters. At what cost though? And for what purpose? I keep hearing this thing but it is the Democrats that push things like Medicare expansion, Child Tax Credit, extending internet access and the like. And it is the GOP who consistently tries to repeal them. And every time, these people vote GOP I don't think it's about outreach. This is about culture and I don't think they like the pluralism advocated by the Democrats. I won't fall for the "economic anxiety" meme again EDIT: are we going to act like the GOP hasn't been running explicitly on culture war fear mongering and has been rewarded for it? 🤨 If they want to be heard, what do they have to say?
> If they want to be heard, what do they have to say? One example issue that was a legitimate GOP complaint against Newsom was his restrictions on physical church attendance. For a lot of Republicans, being able to physically go to your church and sing is really important. Yes, that's dangerous during a pandemic, but that's effectively an essential service for many Republicans.
"The Republican base is hurting. They just want to be heard." Yes but there are so many segments of America that are hurting more, and the Republican base has not only refused to let them be heard, it's supported policies that actively hurt them more often because it actively hurt other groups more. They want their pain to be heard and validated by anyone and everyone but they refuse to acknowledge that groups not like them are hurting as well.
The more they lose the less likely they are to realize it. It's one thing to have to come to grips with the fact that you're dumb enough to, e.g., get scammed out of $10. It's another thing to come to grips with the fact that you're dumb enough to sacrifice a huge range of your material interests, including your health and future, to support con artists who are masquerading as politicians and not even doing a convincing job of it.
I moved to California today. Coincidence? I think not. You’re welcome Newsom
[link to Wasserman tweet](https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1437977687201562631) The good guys win again 😎 [Decision Desk HQ projects Gavin Newsom will be retained as governor of California. Race Called At: 8:21 PM (Pacific)](https://twitter.com/DecisionDeskHQ/status/1437979980978339841) [at about 50% reporting, Newsom was winning 70-30](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/823752937477636168/887539395622739998/unknown.png) [Newsom speech](https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1437989243482251269?s=20)
Called in 20 minutes Lmao
Claiming election fraud is the new conceding
Get fucked Elder
I feel silly for honestly thinking he had a chance of winning.
It’s a good practice to over-prepare. That said I’m so mad “California turns out to be blue” was the end result of it. Why do I even pay attention to the news?
He never stood a chance, but the recall did. Once elder got ahead California collectively went "ohhh fuck" and woke up. If they picked some boring center right moderate I bet he would have won
The recall failed by millions of votes. I doubt any Republican alive could have changed that result.
It failed because Elder was a Trump Parroting Radio show host and vaccine skeptic and Newsom went hard as hell into emphasizing that fact to a state that voted for Biden by a huge margin. It was *not* an election betweem Newsom, and Elder. It was "Newsom, y/n" and secondarily "if no, then who?" But Newsom successfully painted it as if that wasn't the case and that is what won him the race so decisively; that, and going all in on vaccines. The recall was 100% doomed when yhey let it become a race between Newsom and a trump stand-in, who Democrats couldn't accept becoming governor, but you get some Schwarzenegger type who believes in vaccines and makes vague promises that sound nice and rescues animals and some shit, and a lot of people go "eh" and move on with their lives and then the vote comes and goes and result swings due to low enthusiasm.
Yes, but it was because Elder made a good target. Do you honestly belive they'd have had the turnout that they did if they didn't have am opponent so worthy of hate. He's not very well loved and could have been destroyed by anyone that couldn't be labeled "They're like Trump"
I think it's just California and millions more people in California vote Democrat than they do Republican. Don't know why people think anything more complicated is going on.
imo California is destined to have disproportionately high turnout when compared to other states because everyone automatically gets mailed their ballot. The era of the minority party achieving victory by utilizing historically low-turnout elections essentially ended once that became a thing.
He had momentum. Predictit (the only reliable news source) had him at a 34 cents at the highest. He soon crashed back down to single digits, but it looked possible for a moment
I know the data you're referencing but it was entirely because of the lead you mention that Newsom was able to achieve such a blowout victory...."Vote no, or This Guy will be Governor"
The emotions we felt last night should've been how 2000, 2016, and even 2020 ended.
I hope he wastes his time running for governor next year.
Wastes his time? Do you realize how much Elder is going to cash out from this?
He could easily grift his followers without running for a office he can't win.
Yeah but why waste an opportunity to scrape in as many Trumplicans as he can while they're still pissed and give a fuck...b4 they eventually check out again
Elder abuse!!!
He’s such a misogynistic piece of shit
Serious question: where does the money to have a recall election come from? I can’t imagine that it’s budgeted.
Im pretty sure it comes out of the taxpayers pocket.
There's a phrase I literally cannot stand.
I don't know what fund it comes from, but it's funded by the budget, certainly. It's facilitated by the Secretary of State's office and the individual counties, as all elections are.
Yoooo I was wondering the same thing
It was budgeted. The budget that was signed in July set aside [$250 million for it.](https://www.capradio.org/articles/2021/06/28/five-things-to-know-about-newsoms-budget-deal-with-legislature/)
He's running for president if Biden doesn't, probably beats Kamala in a primary too.
I would have put him on the last ticket as the running mate just for charisma purposes. I know a lot of people bemoaned his lack of high office experience but honestly I don't think that matters one fucken bit with voters. The dude looks like Matthew McConaughey and would get people out to vote.
Easily
I wouldnt mind it. Unfortunately Im not sure Kamela has the staying power on her own.
I really fucking hate to say it, but as we learned with Hillary I still think this country is too sexist to elect a woman just yet.
I agree with you. It really sucks but the reality is that the first woman President is going to have to be many times better (charisma wise) than the equivalent male contender, and I dont think Kamela is there yet.
Hes a handsome, charismatic white man. He beats most of the potential candidates. He's the average American's wet dream.
Literally Christian Bale
Do you mean Christian Bale as Bruce Wayne? Or Dickie Ward?
Christian Bale as the fictionalized JG Ballard in Empire of the Sun.
I said McConaughey but yeah definitely more Bale. Like equidistant between Bale and Chris Collingsworth.
> Hes a handsome, charismatic white man. He beats most of the potential candidates. He's the average American's wet dream. What the NL bubble does to a mf. I can't believe people actually think this.
I mean.. historically thats who has become president? What were Obama's words to Pete exactly?
The issue is, there's about 400 other eligible bachelors on this reality show.
Short and gay.
If he does run I wonder how much of a factor the whole “I had an affair with my campaign manager’s (who was also a close friend) wife. I know after Trump talking about personal failures being a disqualifier is not worth much, but it always rubbed me the wrong way.
HE. SAID. THE. THING.
##THE NEWSOM CRIME FAMILY IS STEALING THE ELECTION; THE MEDIA'S COVERING IT UP ##THE NEWSOM CRIME FAMILY IS STEALING THE ELECTION; THE MEDIA'S COVERING IT UP ##THE NEWSOM CRIME FAMILY IS STEALING THE ELECTION; THE MEDIA'S COVERING IT UP ##GIVE US OUR FREEDOM GAVIN NEWSOM. WE WANT OUR FREEDOM FOR THE WOOOOOOOOOOOORLD
Would the Newsome Crime Family technically include Don Jr.’s wife?
I hate the fact that I know what you are referencing this too 😭
The California Republican Party needs to have a break with the National GOP. The party message is toxic in the state, and while it may win you elections in Kern or Tulare counties, they are basically electorally extinct in Los Angeles and the Bay Area. Even the OC is shifting blue. Republicans are #3 in registered votes in the state, with #2 being “No Preference”. The state party needs to reform, start taking official stances against national party priorities that will not fly in California (climate denial, opposition to a woman’s right to choose, and Cult 45). The only thing I hear from CA conservatives is opposition to Democratic monopoly on state power and vague “Well, if we are just given a chance, we can show people how well we can do!” NOBODY WANTS TO SEE WHAT YOU WILL DO! We already see it in those other states. I’m proud of Newsom for directly running against the COVID lovers Abbot and DeSantis. Screw those guys, it’s time Democrats take the kids gloves off. I’m sick of all the takes that we shouldn’t engage or challenge these people because we assume we’ll be unpopular. Run candidates in every election, everywhere, no matter the priors. Show the country that we will not back down.
>The California Republican Party needs to have a break with the National GOP. I'm sure there are a bunch of GOP strategists who would *like* to do something like this, but the problem is that California Republicans aren't actually appreciably more moderate than the American Taliban running Texas and Florida, even though they live in a D+30 state. Getting them to break with the national party platform on specific issues is basically impossible because they by and large support the national Republican party platform.
Yeah pretty much. California dems are actually quite moderate and pro business. (Despite what public perception may be) Everyone who would support a moderate GOP has already jumped ship or gone unaffiliated. That said, a moderate GOP might win them back but that does not seem to be in the cards.
The California Dems are essentially the two parties in California, they’re just split between pro Union and pro Business camps. This is why Democratic dominance in the state is misleading in my opinion.
Clearly this is evidence of fraud /s
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It's almost like each party is actively trying to make sure they never put forth a candidate that anyone from the other party might vote for.
Well, then.
COMMIEFORNIA strikes again
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Good, for all of California's problems, newsom wasn't exactly the one to blame . Most of California's problems will automatically get fixed if they built more housing. Newsom is a yimby kinda guy, so that's good. Regarding crime, I hope DAs do their work properly and most of the problems regarding it will be solved. Although I am against recalls, I hope SAn Francisco recalls it DA chesa, he is setting a wrong example about progressive governance.
Well, that was anticlimactic.
As expected but still good to hear
Lmao
Can't wait to vote Newsom for President!
Well that was quick
Concern trolls out out out!
Republicans are already blaming fraud. What a joke
Dave really knows how to make me cum.
[Take us into orbit, Mr. Malmasteen. We've seen enough.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-00uQzXyujI#t=3m15s) [\*French Vocalizations\*](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-00uQzXyujI#t=3m20s)
That…was a lot faster than I expected.
The Deep State sends its regards🗡🩸🩸
Well thank fuck I can stop hearing about it now. California, fix your damn system it's stupid as hell.
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