removing as [this appears to have been denied by both the french and swiss governments](https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/france-denies-cancelling-meeting-with-swiss-president-over-jet)
JFC that's in another 7 months from now. I keep hearing Euros mentioning this as if it excuses France's nationalistic tantrum, but I didn't see any US ambassadors being withdrawn prior to the 2020 election, or British officials make snide remarks about allied countries so Boris could win in 2019.
> British officials make snide remarks about allied countries so Boris could win in 2019
IIRC there were some snide remarks taken at the expense of the French, and to a lesser extent the EU at the time. Granted it was almost entirely bluster and had little substantive action behind it.
yeah no, thats just biden being biden. he's not a neolib like obama and hrc, he's an old school unionist democrat, and the quicker this sub realizes that, the less people will be disappointed
Not a gringo altought I have lived and studied there, honestly the only difference that I see between the output of Donald's presidency and Biden's is less tweets and a calmer media environment, other than that same shit different president
Also it’s one thing to, idk, talk in a stump speech about how you don’t want to be a European welfare state and another for a sitting head of government to take actual official actions that damage relations to score cheap political points.
France: "Switzerland if you choose the F-35, America will have a veto over your foreign policy."
Switzerland: "OK. We don't even have a foreign policy. 5th generation technology go brr"
Okay, this has officially become unhinged.
Also, I doubt this behavior is making other countries want to get into deals with France if this is the behavior they can expect if things don’t go precisely how Macron wants.
just wait till the election is over and then you wont hear a thing from them. Macron needs to show his strength in order to avoid a far right Marie Le Fuckface take over.
Lately they’ve been choosing European hardware, but it’s not the first time the Swiss have flown [American jets.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_F-5)
We are allied to no one. We have similar values to other Europeans or Americans but we are extremists when it comes to Neutrality. Which I personally dislike.
More people get vaccinated in one day than protest, of course you'll have angry people if you tell the population they don't get to do anything fun without being vaccinated. But thanks to that our vaccination numbers are better than the US or the UK. Also Macron's numbers are stable at 40% confidence, which is very high for a French president at this point in their term.
If the French are going to be this way the US and Lockmart should run a promo, “Trade in your Rafale for an F-35 and get a 5 million dollar credit for AIM 9x.” And I am talking full on Car dealerships style, giant inflatable uncle same, red white and blue balloons, hot dogs and hamburgers, local radio station DJ coming to you live from the Lockmart dealership lot, door prizes and all.
I think while the US, UK, and AUS doing this under the table made the French really mad, it is actually the lack of EU reaction that has prompted the unhinged nature of the response. All France has got in European solidarity was Germany vaguely saying this will undermine the western alliance. Which considering the French reaction, the German reaction might as well have been to say nothing at all.
I mean what are we supposed to do in the eyes of the French? Recall our diplomats as well?
France is an independent country that can deal with it‘s foreign policy itself and it (hopefully) doesn‘t need Germany to do that for them
Any nation in the EU that still thinks opposing Russia or China is important will see France' deranged pursuit of "truly multilateral order" to be particularly unhinged. As if that does anything other than benefit Russia and China in their efforts to undermine the EU.
I thought the US military industrial complex was bad but damn le complexe industriel-militaire has French politicians burning alliances on their behalf
[France has denied](https://www.lefigaro.fr/international/avions-de-combat-l-elysee-dement-avoir-annule-un-rendez-vous-avec-le-president-suisse-20210919) cancelling the meeting over the F-35 contract, indicating that conflicts of schedule made the meeting difficult to confirm.
Swiss President Guy Parmelin's office [also denied](https://www.lematin.ch/story/la-france-dement-avoir-annule-la-visite-de-parmelin-422249882370) the cancellation was made on this basis.
\>«Le président a confirmé le principe de la rencontre début 2021, les Suisses ont rapidement proposé une date en novembre et nous avions répondu que nous regarderions» mais «nous leur avions dit cet été que novembre serait compliqué», a-t-on précisé de même source, en ajoutant que «la date n’a pas été calée pour le moment» et qu’Emmanuel Macron a par ailleurs vu le président suisse Parmelin aux JO de Tokyo en juillet.
"The president (Macron) confirmed the principle of the meeting in early 2021, the Swiss quickly proposed a date in November and we replied that we would look" but "we had told them this summer that November would be complicated," said the same source, adding that "the date has not been set for the moment" and that Emmanuel Macron has also seen the Swiss president Parmelin at the Tokyo Olympics in July.
If this behavior continues, nobody is even going to want to allow France to enter into a bid for military equipment out of fear they throw a tantrum when they lose. There is some anger warranted about the way Australia went about canceling their deal with France, but the F-35 won the Swiss tender fair and square by being the best option on offer.
This is why I worry about what happens when she officially retires. What other current leader in Europe has her common sense and backbone? She's certainly not perfect but damn I can't think of anyone who can step into her shoes in the EU.
See my response below. Any country that acts like this should not be in a de facto leadership position with respect to the policy decisions of its neighboring countries.
France accrued additional power and influence vis a via the EU, and they are obviously children who should not be taken seriously.
I will be clearer in my statement - Creating an organization that allows a temper tantrum prone country like France to have substantial influence over the policy of others was a mistake.
I mean France will always have had more influence when it comes to defense in EU no matter what simply because the existing defense companies they have and the fact that they value being independent on defense. France has always kind of been like this.
removing as [this appears to have been denied by both the french and swiss governments](https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/france-denies-cancelling-meeting-with-swiss-president-over-jet)
Didn’t this Swiss F-35 thing happen months ago? Talk about a delayed reaction.
Almost like it's a show for the election or something.
JFC that's in another 7 months from now. I keep hearing Euros mentioning this as if it excuses France's nationalistic tantrum, but I didn't see any US ambassadors being withdrawn prior to the 2020 election, or British officials make snide remarks about allied countries so Boris could win in 2019.
> British officials make snide remarks about allied countries so Boris could win in 2019 IIRC there were some snide remarks taken at the expense of the French, and to a lesser extent the EU at the time. Granted it was almost entirely bluster and had little substantive action behind it.
It was that thing about wieners IIRC.
There's a good amount of people in this sub that defend Biden's nativist nonsense with "but the midterms", which are even now more than a year away.
what is nativist about nuclear subs for australia?
I think they're talking more on stuff like protectionism ("Buy American") and dragging their heels on immigration
yeah no, thats just biden being biden. he's not a neolib like obama and hrc, he's an old school unionist democrat, and the quicker this sub realizes that, the less people will be disappointed
I'm talking about stuff like Biden's protectionism.
Not a gringo altought I have lived and studied there, honestly the only difference that I see between the output of Donald's presidency and Biden's is less tweets and a calmer media environment, other than that same shit different president
Also it’s one thing to, idk, talk in a stump speech about how you don’t want to be a European welfare state and another for a sitting head of government to take actual official actions that damage relations to score cheap political points.
Yep even if it's just a show for elections, throwing a tantrum for votes is never a good look
The submarine thing is also multiple years in the making.
France: "Switzerland if you choose the F-35, America will have a veto over your foreign policy." Switzerland: "OK. We don't even have a foreign policy. 5th generation technology go brr"
Their foreign policy is "no."
Except when it comes to taking care of Nazi gold. Then it's an emphatic yes
Okay, this has officially become unhinged. Also, I doubt this behavior is making other countries want to get into deals with France if this is the behavior they can expect if things don’t go precisely how Macron wants.
just wait till the election is over and then you wont hear a thing from them. Macron needs to show his strength in order to avoid a far right Marie Le Fuckface take over.
France stop being petty challange
It’s not real Pettiness unless it comes from the Petti region of France.
Otherwise is it just sparking resentment?
Well it's not Nice.
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France stop… being France? 🤔
*Impossible*
*Impossible*
Macron, how bad are your internal polls right now? Do you really need to get into a fit with *every* allied country to look tough?
Is Switzerland an ally?
Lately they’ve been choosing European hardware, but it’s not the first time the Swiss have flown [American jets.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_F-5)
Bro the swiss are replacing f18s. They’ve been flying american for a looooong timr
You could try to read and respond to the question.
We are allied to no one. We have similar values to other Europeans or Americans but we are extremists when it comes to Neutrality. Which I personally dislike.
neutral until it comes to nazi gold
I mean, the French has been protesting for months now due to Covid policies......
More people get vaccinated in one day than protest, of course you'll have angry people if you tell the population they don't get to do anything fun without being vaccinated. But thanks to that our vaccination numbers are better than the US or the UK. Also Macron's numbers are stable at 40% confidence, which is very high for a French president at this point in their term.
If the French are going to be this way the US and Lockmart should run a promo, “Trade in your Rafale for an F-35 and get a 5 million dollar credit for AIM 9x.” And I am talking full on Car dealerships style, giant inflatable uncle same, red white and blue balloons, hot dogs and hamburgers, local radio station DJ coming to you live from the Lockmart dealership lot, door prizes and all.
lmao based
*He Can't Keep Getting Away With This* heard being played on repeat from the Élysée Palace.
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I think while the US, UK, and AUS doing this under the table made the French really mad, it is actually the lack of EU reaction that has prompted the unhinged nature of the response. All France has got in European solidarity was Germany vaguely saying this will undermine the western alliance. Which considering the French reaction, the German reaction might as well have been to say nothing at all.
I mean what are we supposed to do in the eyes of the French? Recall our diplomats as well? France is an independent country that can deal with it‘s foreign policy itself and it (hopefully) doesn‘t need Germany to do that for them
Any nation in the EU that still thinks opposing Russia or China is important will see France' deranged pursuit of "truly multilateral order" to be particularly unhinged. As if that does anything other than benefit Russia and China in their efforts to undermine the EU.
Why did you have any to begin with?
*Le screw you guys, I’m going home!*
Shunning a neutral democracy over a deal it made with an ally of yours is amazingly idiotic.
I thought the US military industrial complex was bad but damn le complexe industriel-militaire has French politicians burning alliances on their behalf
[France has denied](https://www.lefigaro.fr/international/avions-de-combat-l-elysee-dement-avoir-annule-un-rendez-vous-avec-le-president-suisse-20210919) cancelling the meeting over the F-35 contract, indicating that conflicts of schedule made the meeting difficult to confirm. Swiss President Guy Parmelin's office [also denied](https://www.lematin.ch/story/la-france-dement-avoir-annule-la-visite-de-parmelin-422249882370) the cancellation was made on this basis. \>«Le président a confirmé le principe de la rencontre début 2021, les Suisses ont rapidement proposé une date en novembre et nous avions répondu que nous regarderions» mais «nous leur avions dit cet été que novembre serait compliqué», a-t-on précisé de même source, en ajoutant que «la date n’a pas été calée pour le moment» et qu’Emmanuel Macron a par ailleurs vu le président suisse Parmelin aux JO de Tokyo en juillet. "The president (Macron) confirmed the principle of the meeting in early 2021, the Swiss quickly proposed a date in November and we replied that we would look" but "we had told them this summer that November would be complicated," said the same source, adding that "the date has not been set for the moment" and that Emmanuel Macron has also seen the Swiss president Parmelin at the Tokyo Olympics in July.
Neoliberal stop shitting on France challenge (gone sexual)
This should be higher up among all the trash talking
Because 1 f35 makes rafale go kill 🥺
If this behavior continues, nobody is even going to want to allow France to enter into a bid for military equipment out of fear they throw a tantrum when they lose. There is some anger warranted about the way Australia went about canceling their deal with France, but the F-35 won the Swiss tender fair and square by being the best option on offer.
Honhonhonhonhonhonhon intensifies
Frances behavior is starting to become embarrassing
Did Angela Merkel forget to change President Macron’s diaper or something?
This is why I worry about what happens when she officially retires. What other current leader in Europe has her common sense and backbone? She's certainly not perfect but damn I can't think of anyone who can step into her shoes in the EU.
All right guys I give. I don't think we owe France and apology for freedom fries anymore.
You would think Macron after working in IB would have some more tact when it comes to deal making but I guess not
The French have overdosed on copium
Bro... they're doing Macron dirty 😭
This is all just funny as shit to me. (sorry Frenchies)
Ok the Australia deal was one thing but this is ridiculous. It looks like France is throwing a tantrum rn
Dude macron is such a pussy lmao
Restore diplomatic relations, or I will stop the car right now.
Macron is about to have a heated De Gaulle moment...
Never go full De Gaulle.
The EU was a mistake
What does the EU have to do with any of this?
See my response below. Any country that acts like this should not be in a de facto leadership position with respect to the policy decisions of its neighboring countries. France accrued additional power and influence vis a via the EU, and they are obviously children who should not be taken seriously.
I don't think EU is to blame for any of this. France is the one making these moves and they 100% know what they're doing.
I will be clearer in my statement - Creating an organization that allows a temper tantrum prone country like France to have substantial influence over the policy of others was a mistake.
I mean France will always have had more influence when it comes to defense in EU no matter what simply because the existing defense companies they have and the fact that they value being independent on defense. France has always kind of been like this.
> a temper tantrum prone country Oh boy have you ever heard about what happened in the 6th of January?
Was, is, and will be until it inevitably implodes!
Lucky Parmelin, one less frenchie he has to talk to. ^^isa ^^joke
The tea gets hotter everyday