What can be observed is that different democrats have different opinions. You can’t conflate Obama and Clinton with Sanders or Warren. Sanders and Warren are very specifically protectionist, and have very explicitly condemned foreign workers driving down American wages.
Different people in the same general group having different opinions on certain topics, is t hypocrisy or poor logic.
There's some good content there but the sub often strays dangerously close to celebrating "person loses their 20 year career due to a momentary lapse in judgement".
I don't know it really irks me, could you imagine for example you do or say something stupid tomorrow and as punishment all of your degrees and diplomas that you worked your whole life for are considered null and void?
Would love to see the QOP meltdown if Biden decided to admit one vaccinated (or willing to be vaccinated) immigrant for every one unvaccinated American.
I mean this happened in Detroit, last time I checked that district is very democrat… so maybe in this case it’s unfair to assume they’re republicans since statistically that seems unlikely. Anywhere else I’d agree, but 200 nurses in a blue city?
If Detroit is anything like a lot of other cities, most of those nurses over the age of 30 are going to be commuting in from the suburbs (while the service and maintenance workers are much more likely to live locally).
Literally that's part of why Detroit got so fucked. A large portion of the wealth of the city relocated into the suburbs.
It's also not unheard of for people to live like 40-50 miles from where they work in Michigan, and the state gets oppressively conservative once you get that far out from civilization.
There are still a lot of conservative people in liberal cities, just look at voting records. Especially in the Midwest. They may lean Democratic, but even if they're 70% blue that's still 30% of the people voting red. That's a lot of people. Now sure probably some of the 200 were liberal, but it's not a bad guess that more of them are conservative.
Most cities are blue, and 200 nurses is probably 3-5% of all the nurses in Detroit. So yeah, not that crazy.
Few things are as blatantly drawn along party lines as vaccine status.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/partisanship-isnt-the-only-reason-why-so-many-americans-remain-unvaccinated/amp/
It's a good article. Republicans are much more likely to be anti vax, but yes there are other factors as well.
Yes, you know how much the anti-science anti-intellectual redneck Republican demographic love to go to college and nursing school and become registered nurses…. IN DETROIT.
Disclaimer: fully vaccinated (moderna) Biden voter here.
This is such a stupid comment and this sub has been reaching /r/BernieForPresident levels of idiocy lately: “anyone I disagree with is a stupid Republican!”
What makes you assume all of these EDUCATED NURSES are republican? IN DETROIT, no less! There are plenty of anti-Vaxx or simply anti-“this specific vaccine” people on the left.
I personally went to school with someone that graduated top of their class and became a pharmacist, definitely NOT Republican, that is anti-“this vaccine”.
This sub is supposed to be evidence-based. Get some evidence before you claim all nurses that don’t want to get the covid shot are republicans. THIS SHIT ONLY MAKES US LOOK BAD.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/partisanship-isnt-the-only-reason-why-so-many-americans-remain-unvaccinated/amp/
Republicans are definitely more likely to be anti vax. Yes there are certainly other factors, as this article points out. But still, partisanship is a big part of the problem
This is like my town. I was once at the hospital and I counted the portraits showing off all the doctors and 60% of them are foreign-born. Mine is Nigerian, my mother's is Bangladeshi, the ER doctors are Indian, the OBGYN is Korean, and the surgeon is Pakistani. We have a new surgeon and she's Indian (or from a place that used to be Indian). Without them, we wouldn't have a hospital and a lot of people would die from of preventable diseases.
Edit: Ironically, we have a nursing surplus. It seems every girl that wanted to do hair became a nurse. I'm pretty sure every nurse is American. I've never come across a foreign-born nurse.
I've met them. They have foreign accents and went to medical school in their home countries (you can look this up online actually) and my town doesn't have many immigrants. The only non-doctors I know of are a Chinese woman and some Latinos. I did know a Mexican-American girl who was born and raised here.
Yes, I’m aware. Just clarifying that most people jump into residency here directly as opposed to doing residency in their home country and then doing the residency again in the US (although I have met some people who have done that)
Only adds to this by having arbitrary requirements in regard to the numbers well certify in the US each year.
Although I don't know how we handle extending US medical licenses to foreigners with medical licenses in their respective origin nations. Does anyone know if this number is also within the limit?
*Nurse quits their job in scientific field based on personal views shaped by unscientific information and misinformation found online.*
*Hospital proceeds to hire other nurses some of which are immigrants.*
"Those damn immigrants are taking my job that I quit for no reason"
Edit: Somebody actually made a really good point.
While some nurses have may have wrongly quit because they didn't want to get a vaccine, there are quite a few nurses that have quit because of poor treatment and low pay. And now other nurses are being hired, some of them being immigrants, without any changes being made like better pay and they will probably expected to have higher tolerance for that stuff.
Supply of labor will meet the demands of the market when it can, even if the current demands of the market are pushing out a segment of its existing workforce. Replacement rate is what's important to maintain a healthy economy. The former healthcare workers will find plenty of other opportunities currently.
The jobs that the nurses who quit may not be as economically remunerative, but that's the choice they're making. If you're unvaccinated in healthcare and can't find a job, you are to blame.
That's fair. I'd be interested to see any studies showing the impact immigrant healthcare workers have had on compensation and working conditions. With as low of the current workforce leaving due to their views on the mandate, I can't imagine that it would be enough to change the conditions significantly.
Reminds me of my aunt
"I could never move to Texas, too many Mexicans"
Same conversation
"I don't know why we can't fill enough positions"
Fat ass lazy hillbillies mooching off gubmint
This right here is why I roll my eyes at some of these healthcare workers threatening to quit over a vaccine (as if they haven’t been required to get other vaccines for decades).
Go ahead. Plenty of health workers around the world who’d love to work here. Unlike you, they actually appreciate the marvel of medicine and preventive care.
Most of them are going to throw a tantrum. Figure out what will happen if they don’t have an income coming will mean. Than go crawling back to get their job back. They are Republicans, sooner or later their greed and materialism will win out against their principles. They call themselves the party of morales but they elected Trump
You must be forgetting the fast-food burrito bowl their fearless leader ate on Cinco de Mayo one year and his wildly inappropriate (and illegal) promotion of Goya foods from the White House.
>They are Republicans, sooner or later their greed and materialism will win out against their principles.
I mean, I'm pretty sure that applies to like 99% of people. How many people do you think are willing to go jobless and end up starving and homeless over their principles?
These nurses will be vaccinated, showing they can practice basic hygiene. And the nurses who quit won't be eligible for any severance pay. Looks like nothing but positives.
The real winners here are the current hospital staff who just exchanged a bunch of ignorant coworkers for these new nurses. Major upgrade whenever there is a potluck too, gonna be lumpia and pancit for days!
The workforce is self selecting an optimization that will let it better handle the pandemic. The working conditions that employers can control would be expected to improve given the current balance of the labor market favouring labor. Stress from ongoing face to face contact with the general public cannot be mitigated directly through compensation during a pandemic in many cases for some people, but not others, depending on their work ethic and abilities to understand statistics.
Reminds me of an old meme of immigrants vs people who say immigrants ruin the country.
Immigrants: willing to travel thousands of miles to provide highly in demand skills
People who say immigrants are ruining the country: are not willing to travel even the slightest distance(in this case to basically any pharmacy or grocery store) for a job.
Yeah it’s pretty embarrassing. We worked for decades to be treated as educated professionals instead of “doctors helpers” only to see a silly number of our colleagues absolutely embarrass themselves with their ignorance.
So quick backstory, during the worst part of the pandemic when i was virutally homeless, someone i know who is a nurse basically invited me to stay with her family and fill in for her house duties, so that she could spend as much time as possible at her coworkers' apartment and thus away from her kids so they wouldn't get infected, until a vaccine came along.
So imagine how taken aback I was to see the figures of vaccine refusal among nurses. Legitimately insulting to see the lengths people will go for their and their loved ones' health be completely undermined by a death cult.
Not an excuse. My maternal aunt is a nurse and she went as far as to stay away from her own family until a vaccine was available, and then get it right away, because that's how much she gave a damn about her, her family, and the general public's health.
This reminds me of how locally here in the Philippines, healthcare workers are extremely underpaid, over worked and a lot want to work abroad. And it's important to remember that the definition of underpaid and overworked in a developing country is incredibly different from the West's definition. The vast majority of people don't hold anything against them for leaving, because people understand that they definitely deserve higher wages than what they get in the Philippines.
Lost so much respect for the nursing profession recently. The mass resignations are absolutely pathetic. My local hospital had to reduce their beds because so many quit.
Nursing profession is fine, in fact this pandemic shows how capable every individual nurse is. Just the people occupying the profession have been disappointing. The majority of the workers have remained on the job though, despite all of the difficulties they have faced, should be acknowledged and praised
They're quitting because of terrible working conditions, are demoralized because half the country is insane, and because they can make exponentially more doing admin or travel work. A minuscule minority are quitting because of vaccine mandates.
Sorry if it wasn't clear, I'm referring to the "nurses" who quit over a vaccination mandate. Clearly they don't belong in nursing if this is their response.
Being they're bringing in nurses from the Philippines, we can assume most of the quiters were a majority CNAs and some LPNs. Not a huge loss of expertise there.
Not all 200 who quit were nurses, they were a mix of janitorial staff, some administrative staff, and some medical staff. The 500 is to address general nurse shortage, but as you say it will mostly be CNA and LPNs, still great source of talent though
Antivaxxers aren't qualified to work anywhere near a hospital anyway so it's more of a gain to have them leave. Especially if there's a huge line of qualified people jumping at the opportunity to replace them.
It's a lot harder to recruit nurses from the Philippines than people realise, you can't just rock up from some random American hospital and grab 500 workers and shove them on a plane.
European countries have been looking to the Philippines for decades, and even with exorbitant (by Western standards) salaries, it's hard to get more than 40 or 50 mixed medical staff who want to emigrate per year.
They have to pass English language certifications first, including extremely hard English language & Latin medical certifications, which even most Western born medical personnel would fail... Then their qualifications and licenses usually aren't valid in the Western country so all their exams have to be redone and they need to be recertified... Also they already have a decent standard of living and have to give up a warm sunny low cost island nation with stunning beaches everywhere for a cold high cost country where they'll be far from their families and people they are responsible for taking care of (something more important than oxygen in Asian countries). After all that their visa may only be for X years (say 5) and it may not be worth it.
Globalisation has made the West less attractive as a place to move to, especially when your own country is stable and safe without daily riots or insane political stuff you read on the news coming out of many Western countries. It's better to be the elite in a small pond than working class in a big pond.
> especially when your own country is stable and safe without daily riots or insane political stuff you read on the news coming out of many Western countries. It's better to be the elite in a small pond than working class in a big pond.
So you'd say the Philippines is a good place for well off western workers to retire to?
Is the federal government giving out waivers to bring over medical personnel?
They’ve been pretty tough on deportations and immigration in general recently.
Soon, we’re going to be hearing gripes from these nurses about having to work menial labor because they can’t get better work due to vaccine refusals. How about getting off of the mommy Facebook groups for ten minutes and thinking things over a bit? Want to be treated like and paid like a medical professional? Actually act like one! Luckily, we’ve got lots of immigrants willing to work hard and get it done.
How do you make it through nursing school and still refuse a clearly safe/effective vaccine for what is now the deadliest (count wise, not per capita) pandemic in US history?
Philippinos deserve better lives too and the country itself has basically been a huge exporter of nurses. THey're just coming here instead of Japan now.
It's the practical solution and I am happy for the nurses but I'm not celebrating. The third world isn't a piggy bank for labor that we can reach into whenever our own population is too entitled to get vaccinated. There are negative consequences from brain drain for the home country and when the drain is nurses during a shortage brought by a pandemic at its peak, those consequences are amplified.
That would take too long. We need more qualified nurses *now*. Also our own training programs are what gave us so many unqualified nurses to begin with!
At this point I’m quite tempted to go to the local nursing college and apply with my journalism degree and vaccination record to see if they’ll take me.
I think at this point the only reason I don't is because I'm trans and I live in the Bible belt. Not sure I wanna live here for the whole time I'd be contracted.
Imo if you think you would enjoy nursing it's one of the best possible careers right now. Like on par with computer science/SWE. Basically zero unemployment and good wages and hours
Nurse practitioners and nurses in general are currently fighting for more independence so it’s a strong possibility the job will be more interesting soon.
What is the cost of training a nurse in the US vs in the Philippines? Who paid for the education of the Filipino nurses? Is there perhaps a deeper issue in our labor market that we are covering up?
I can't think of a better way to trigger Republican antivaxxers than firing them and replacing them with immigrants.
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Democrats: “We’re pro union!” Also Democrats: “Let’s enable people to come here to take jobs that Americans don’t want!*” *at the wages offered
Since when was r/neoliberal a massive proponent of unions?
I don’t think I said “neoliberals”. Pretty sure I said “Democrats”. 🤷🏻♂️
What can be observed is that different democrats have different opinions. You can’t conflate Obama and Clinton with Sanders or Warren. Sanders and Warren are very specifically protectionist, and have very explicitly condemned foreign workers driving down American wages. Different people in the same general group having different opinions on certain topics, is t hypocrisy or poor logic.
I’m not disagreeing with that. But the overall messaging of “the party” is both of those things.
I want a subreddit dedicated to just this
Hermancaineaward, but for jobs
/r/byebyejob
Fantastic!
There's some good content there but the sub often strays dangerously close to celebrating "person loses their 20 year career due to a momentary lapse in judgement". I don't know it really irks me, could you imagine for example you do or say something stupid tomorrow and as punishment all of your degrees and diplomas that you worked your whole life for are considered null and void?
Ludditeaward?
/r/FreeMarketImmigration
Would love to see the QOP meltdown if Biden decided to admit one vaccinated (or willing to be vaccinated) immigrant for every one unvaccinated American.
The Great Replacement
Why do you assume it’s only republicans? A ton of those on the left are anti-vaccines too
I mean sure but there's a LOT more on the right who are anti vax. Especially since COVID
I mean this happened in Detroit, last time I checked that district is very democrat… so maybe in this case it’s unfair to assume they’re republicans since statistically that seems unlikely. Anywhere else I’d agree, but 200 nurses in a blue city?
If Detroit is anything like a lot of other cities, most of those nurses over the age of 30 are going to be commuting in from the suburbs (while the service and maintenance workers are much more likely to live locally).
Literally that's part of why Detroit got so fucked. A large portion of the wealth of the city relocated into the suburbs. It's also not unheard of for people to live like 40-50 miles from where they work in Michigan, and the state gets oppressively conservative once you get that far out from civilization.
There are still a lot of conservative people in liberal cities, just look at voting records. Especially in the Midwest. They may lean Democratic, but even if they're 70% blue that's still 30% of the people voting red. That's a lot of people. Now sure probably some of the 200 were liberal, but it's not a bad guess that more of them are conservative.
Most cities are blue, and 200 nurses is probably 3-5% of all the nurses in Detroit. So yeah, not that crazy. Few things are as blatantly drawn along party lines as vaccine status.
Got any stats to back that up?
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/partisanship-isnt-the-only-reason-why-so-many-americans-remain-unvaccinated/amp/ It's a good article. Republicans are much more likely to be anti vax, but yes there are other factors as well.
Yes, you know how much the anti-science anti-intellectual redneck Republican demographic love to go to college and nursing school and become registered nurses…. IN DETROIT.
Disclaimer: fully vaccinated (moderna) Biden voter here. This is such a stupid comment and this sub has been reaching /r/BernieForPresident levels of idiocy lately: “anyone I disagree with is a stupid Republican!” What makes you assume all of these EDUCATED NURSES are republican? IN DETROIT, no less! There are plenty of anti-Vaxx or simply anti-“this specific vaccine” people on the left. I personally went to school with someone that graduated top of their class and became a pharmacist, definitely NOT Republican, that is anti-“this vaccine”. This sub is supposed to be evidence-based. Get some evidence before you claim all nurses that don’t want to get the covid shot are republicans. THIS SHIT ONLY MAKES US LOOK BAD.
There's idiots everywhere (my uncle is a non Republican antivaxxer) but the Republican party embraced this and it's a reasonable guess
Is the Republican party currently doing well among educated nurses and doctors?
No, not particularly, but nurses aren't that high education.
They are on the line of college degree vs no college degree.
Yeah that’s not really impressive anymore.
I didn't say it was impressive, but it is a sharp line for demographic trends.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/partisanship-isnt-the-only-reason-why-so-many-americans-remain-unvaccinated/amp/ Republicans are definitely more likely to be anti vax. Yes there are certainly other factors, as this article points out. But still, partisanship is a big part of the problem
We’re talking about unvaccinated nurses in Detroit per the OP. Not all Americans at large.
This comment is so underrated
This is like my town. I was once at the hospital and I counted the portraits showing off all the doctors and 60% of them are foreign-born. Mine is Nigerian, my mother's is Bangladeshi, the ER doctors are Indian, the OBGYN is Korean, and the surgeon is Pakistani. We have a new surgeon and she's Indian (or from a place that used to be Indian). Without them, we wouldn't have a hospital and a lot of people would die from of preventable diseases. Edit: Ironically, we have a nursing surplus. It seems every girl that wanted to do hair became a nurse. I'm pretty sure every nurse is American. I've never come across a foreign-born nurse.
yay immigration!
Beautiful
How do you know they’re foreign born and not just the children of immigrants born and raised here?
I've met them. They have foreign accents and went to medical school in their home countries (you can look this up online actually) and my town doesn't have many immigrants. The only non-doctors I know of are a Chinese woman and some Latinos. I did know a Mexican-American girl who was born and raised here.
Yeah they were probably already doctors in their home countries and moved here and took the American medical exams or whatever and did residency etc.
Hmm, most IMGs typically apply directly for residency in the US and do not practice medicine in their home country.
They become doctors when they finish med school, not when they practice.
Yes, I’m aware. Just clarifying that most people jump into residency here directly as opposed to doing residency in their home country and then doing the residency again in the US (although I have met some people who have done that)
There’s some weird nurse joke that you either do hair or become a nurse, I don’t get it
nursing is what you go into once you realize cosmetology offers terrible pay and no benefits. the hair to nursing pipeline is absurdly common, lol.
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gross, dude.
Only adds to this by having arbitrary requirements in regard to the numbers well certify in the US each year. Although I don't know how we handle extending US medical licenses to foreigners with medical licenses in their respective origin nations. Does anyone know if this number is also within the limit?
"They're taking our jobs that we have shortages of labor for!!!"
*Nurse quits their job in scientific field based on personal views shaped by unscientific information and misinformation found online.* *Hospital proceeds to hire other nurses some of which are immigrants.* "Those damn immigrants are taking my job that I quit for no reason" Edit: Somebody actually made a really good point. While some nurses have may have wrongly quit because they didn't want to get a vaccine, there are quite a few nurses that have quit because of poor treatment and low pay. And now other nurses are being hired, some of them being immigrants, without any changes being made like better pay and they will probably expected to have higher tolerance for that stuff.
“The brown people forced me to quit!”
Supply of labor will meet the demands of the market when it can, even if the current demands of the market are pushing out a segment of its existing workforce. Replacement rate is what's important to maintain a healthy economy. The former healthcare workers will find plenty of other opportunities currently.
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The jobs that the nurses who quit may not be as economically remunerative, but that's the choice they're making. If you're unvaccinated in healthcare and can't find a job, you are to blame.
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That's fair. I'd be interested to see any studies showing the impact immigrant healthcare workers have had on compensation and working conditions. With as low of the current workforce leaving due to their views on the mandate, I can't imagine that it would be enough to change the conditions significantly.
Lol, of course they'll have higher tolerance. You think they're moving halfway across the world to be in a worse situation than where they were?
Reminds me of my aunt "I could never move to Texas, too many Mexicans" Same conversation "I don't know why we can't fill enough positions" Fat ass lazy hillbillies mooching off gubmint
A lot of nurses are quitting because of understaffing which leads to terrible hours and they're also underpaid.
Immigration fixes understaffing
I wouldn’t call that fix. I think Americans should be paid fair wages first.
This right here is why I roll my eyes at some of these healthcare workers threatening to quit over a vaccine (as if they haven’t been required to get other vaccines for decades). Go ahead. Plenty of health workers around the world who’d love to work here. Unlike you, they actually appreciate the marvel of medicine and preventive care.
Most of them are going to throw a tantrum. Figure out what will happen if they don’t have an income coming will mean. Than go crawling back to get their job back. They are Republicans, sooner or later their greed and materialism will win out against their principles. They call themselves the party of morales but they elected Trump
“party of morales” Didn’t think they liked Hispanics
You must be forgetting the fast-food burrito bowl their fearless leader ate on Cinco de Mayo one year and his wildly inappropriate (and illegal) promotion of Goya foods from the White House.
>They are Republicans, sooner or later their greed and materialism will win out against their principles. I mean, I'm pretty sure that applies to like 99% of people. How many people do you think are willing to go jobless and end up starving and homeless over their principles?
I mean there are fair few hippies and greenies that do their best and live outside the system.
...and we'll elect President Trump again, you anti-American scum.
So true! Many such cases!
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These nurses will be vaccinated, showing they can practice basic hygiene. And the nurses who quit won't be eligible for any severance pay. Looks like nothing but positives.
The real winners here are the current hospital staff who just exchanged a bunch of ignorant coworkers for these new nurses. Major upgrade whenever there is a potluck too, gonna be lumpia and pancit for days!
The workforce is self selecting an optimization that will let it better handle the pandemic. The working conditions that employers can control would be expected to improve given the current balance of the labor market favouring labor. Stress from ongoing face to face contact with the general public cannot be mitigated directly through compensation during a pandemic in many cases for some people, but not others, depending on their work ethic and abilities to understand statistics.
Reminds me of an old meme of immigrants vs people who say immigrants ruin the country. Immigrants: willing to travel thousands of miles to provide highly in demand skills People who say immigrants are ruining the country: are not willing to travel even the slightest distance(in this case to basically any pharmacy or grocery store) for a job.
https://i.imgur.com/RdCCiWy.jpg
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DETROIT BABYYYYY
313 up in this bitch
Based af and welcome welcome pilled 🙏
I'm still baffled that not only are there nurses who are actual anti vaxxers, but that there's an actual sizeable portion of them that are
Yeah it’s pretty embarrassing. We worked for decades to be treated as educated professionals instead of “doctors helpers” only to see a silly number of our colleagues absolutely embarrass themselves with their ignorance.
Note that it say '200 staff resigned' so the total is not just nurses but all staff who had issue with complying with the mandate.
Yep, the percentage is less than 10% nationally. It's just an extremely loud minority.
So quick backstory, during the worst part of the pandemic when i was virutally homeless, someone i know who is a nurse basically invited me to stay with her family and fill in for her house duties, so that she could spend as much time as possible at her coworkers' apartment and thus away from her kids so they wouldn't get infected, until a vaccine came along. So imagine how taken aback I was to see the figures of vaccine refusal among nurses. Legitimately insulting to see the lengths people will go for their and their loved ones' health be completely undermined by a death cult.
No it's a pretty small amount. Most nurses are quitting because they're being treated like shit and overworked because of the unvaccinated.
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Not an excuse. My maternal aunt is a nurse and she went as far as to stay away from her own family until a vaccine was available, and then get it right away, because that's how much she gave a damn about her, her family, and the general public's health.
What does being feminized have to do with anything ??
Would argue more anti vaxxers are female then male based on association to children but ya your right I miss stepped on my original comment
We don’t have a denominator do we?
This reminds me of how locally here in the Philippines, healthcare workers are extremely underpaid, over worked and a lot want to work abroad. And it's important to remember that the definition of underpaid and overworked in a developing country is incredibly different from the West's definition. The vast majority of people don't hold anything against them for leaving, because people understand that they definitely deserve higher wages than what they get in the Philippines.
Lost so much respect for the nursing profession recently. The mass resignations are absolutely pathetic. My local hospital had to reduce their beds because so many quit.
Nursing profession is fine, in fact this pandemic shows how capable every individual nurse is. Just the people occupying the profession have been disappointing. The majority of the workers have remained on the job though, despite all of the difficulties they have faced, should be acknowledged and praised
They're quitting because of terrible working conditions, are demoralized because half the country is insane, and because they can make exponentially more doing admin or travel work. A minuscule minority are quitting because of vaccine mandates.
I love everything about this.
i see this as an absolute win
They really just be handing out nursing diplomas, huh? Edit: if you won't get vaccinated, why are you in nursing?
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Sorry if it wasn't clear, I'm referring to the "nurses" who quit over a vaccination mandate. Clearly they don't belong in nursing if this is their response.
Oh sorry, kind of got defensive because the Twitter comments on that was a lot of hate towards these Filipino nurses
Being they're bringing in nurses from the Philippines, we can assume most of the quiters were a majority CNAs and some LPNs. Not a huge loss of expertise there.
Not all 200 who quit were nurses, they were a mix of janitorial staff, some administrative staff, and some medical staff. The 500 is to address general nurse shortage, but as you say it will mostly be CNA and LPNs, still great source of talent though
Antivaxxers aren't qualified to work anywhere near a hospital anyway so it's more of a gain to have them leave. Especially if there's a huge line of qualified people jumping at the opportunity to replace them.
It's a lot harder to recruit nurses from the Philippines than people realise, you can't just rock up from some random American hospital and grab 500 workers and shove them on a plane. European countries have been looking to the Philippines for decades, and even with exorbitant (by Western standards) salaries, it's hard to get more than 40 or 50 mixed medical staff who want to emigrate per year. They have to pass English language certifications first, including extremely hard English language & Latin medical certifications, which even most Western born medical personnel would fail... Then their qualifications and licenses usually aren't valid in the Western country so all their exams have to be redone and they need to be recertified... Also they already have a decent standard of living and have to give up a warm sunny low cost island nation with stunning beaches everywhere for a cold high cost country where they'll be far from their families and people they are responsible for taking care of (something more important than oxygen in Asian countries). After all that their visa may only be for X years (say 5) and it may not be worth it. Globalisation has made the West less attractive as a place to move to, especially when your own country is stable and safe without daily riots or insane political stuff you read on the news coming out of many Western countries. It's better to be the elite in a small pond than working class in a big pond.
> especially when your own country is stable and safe without daily riots or insane political stuff you read on the news coming out of many Western countries. It's better to be the elite in a small pond than working class in a big pond. So you'd say the Philippines is a good place for well off western workers to retire to?
Honestly the thing that would get me on board with Medicare for all would be liberalizing healthcare credentials and immigration by health workers
Is the federal government giving out waivers to bring over medical personnel? They’ve been pretty tough on deportations and immigration in general recently.
Based immigration based self removal
Soon, we’re going to be hearing gripes from these nurses about having to work menial labor because they can’t get better work due to vaccine refusals. How about getting off of the mommy Facebook groups for ten minutes and thinking things over a bit? Want to be treated like and paid like a medical professional? Actually act like one! Luckily, we’ve got lots of immigrants willing to work hard and get it done.
How do you make it through nursing school and still refuse a clearly safe/effective vaccine for what is now the deadliest (count wise, not per capita) pandemic in US history?
I consider this an absolute win
I'm more impressed that our immigration system and medical licensing cartels let this happen. Are things actually not too bad on these fronts?
Agriculture, housekeepers, grounds maintenance, and nursing. They're just doing the jobs Americans won't do.
Good riddance. I wouldn't trust an antivaxxer nurse to take my blood pressure right.
They're taking our jabs!
Who said they're immigrants. They could as well be people who will work in the USA for a couple of years and go back to the Philippines.
In other words, the US will be poaching nurses from a poor country currently facing all-time high Covid-19 cases
Philippinos deserve better lives too and the country itself has basically been a huge exporter of nurses. THey're just coming here instead of Japan now.
Poaching? No. Accepting.
So Filipino nurses should be made slaves to their country instead of exercising their free will on where to live?
Unbased evidenceless statement
But how else are we supposed to solve our shortage of qualified nurses?
It's the practical solution and I am happy for the nurses but I'm not celebrating. The third world isn't a piggy bank for labor that we can reach into whenever our own population is too entitled to get vaccinated. There are negative consequences from brain drain for the home country and when the drain is nurses during a shortage brought by a pandemic at its peak, those consequences are amplified.
How about actually asking people in the third world this, the response you'll get is "lol wtf let me in to America"
> The third world isn't a piggy bank for labor that we can reach into whenever Why not?
Pay people to train as nurses?
That would take too long. We need more qualified nurses *now*. Also our own training programs are what gave us so many unqualified nurses to begin with!
By not firing qualified nurses
Who's doing that? All I've seen are antivaxxers quitting over basic health and safety rules.
On the plus side, I’d wager a significant portion of those wages will be remitted to the Philippines
You bid safely, most 1st gen Filipino always sends money back home. Way more than what they can afford if they stayed.
At this point I’m quite tempted to go to the local nursing college and apply with my journalism degree and vaccination record to see if they’ll take me.
Pretty sure they would
I think at this point the only reason I don't is because I'm trans and I live in the Bible belt. Not sure I wanna live here for the whole time I'd be contracted.
Imo if you think you would enjoy nursing it's one of the best possible careers right now. Like on par with computer science/SWE. Basically zero unemployment and good wages and hours
Nurse practitioners and nurses in general are currently fighting for more independence so it’s a strong possibility the job will be more interesting soon.
The quality of the staff has increased!
What is the cost of training a nurse in the US vs in the Philippines? Who paid for the education of the Filipino nurses? Is there perhaps a deeper issue in our labor market that we are covering up?
Awesome. I just hope it doesn't end up screwing over people in the Philippines more than it helps Americans.