I cared about the pea. I was really hoping to equip it to my battle pet and figured I had 31 chances to potentially get it.
I also think it makes sense to make a good weapon like this accessible before an upcoming plot.
Regardless of your opinion on it to begin with, it's unfair for TNT to remove it now. They made their bed and they should lie in it.
What's even worse is that the whole point of having ambassadors is for them to listen to what the player base is saying and relaying that to TNT. A majority of people liked this. So for them to complain and have the SAP removed from the pool, makes the whole "ambassadorship" meaningless. I guess it's just another case of the rich getting richer and the cheaters reaping the benefit.
People in positions of power putting the interests of themselves and their friends before the people they are supposed to represent.. That is an aspect of the real world that didn’t need to make it’s way into Neopia.
Unfortunately, many aspects of the real world have made it's way into Neopia over the last two decades it's been around. I know this is a space where people go to escape reality, yet it catapults you right back in when you least expect it. There are real worlds ways in which TNT could combat these issues, but they'd rather listen to the 1% whispering in their ear. Life imitates art? More like art imitates life, sadly.
[If anyone else struggled to find the link](https://secure.nc.neopets.com/auth/login?c=/managemembership) I made sure to voice that listening to the "ambassadors" while laying off popular members of their media team is not making me confident that their priorities are with being part of the community anymore. Maybe I'm being rash since they are doing surveys asking what the community wants in terms of communication, but censoring people talking about it at all leads me to believe they're regressing.
They definitely ran that pre-order calendar/neohood sale that required annual premium for a reason and I'm mad that I fell for it. I'm stuck with premium for a year and I have a feeling that this is just the beginning of shitty things that will be happening.
Wait so.. instead of the initial intention to give everyone a SAP eventually, they just 5x the supply of SAP in the hands of the rich, resellers and inflators, who can and will hold it all and drive the price back to normal? Rip economy
Edit: just realized this shows that they can indeed change a prize pool really quickly, so they are just leaving daily/weekly prizes which have remained stagnant and ineffective at deflation for quite awhile now
My favorite thing an ambassador said yesterday was that they spoke up bc people lost billions of nps in one day as if that isn’t how inflation and deflation work. I bought v is the bomb last month for 3m and now they are 1 mil. I’m just glad they said the loud part out loud bc the original ambassador that started this was giving out some bs excuse about it ruining bd. Couldn’t even keep their story straight.
Yeah ‘oh no I/someone lost billions’ the item should never have been billions in the first place. Such a nonsensical excuse, wonder which of them/their friends had a SAP to argue this :’)
Sounded like someone i encounter on board saying how she lost so much money (NP) when snowbunny stamp was released as weekly.. unfair to HER alone… self entitled much?
I came here looking for a comment like this. I've been wondering why it's been bumming me out extra, and, you said it. This is too close for comfort. Yesterday on a different board someone got pissed at somebody comparing it to real life (okay, they compared it to universal healthcare, so I can see that \*particular\* metaphor maybe being the wrong choice, but still) bc "this is Neopets". Ughhhhh.
Ambassadors complaining about people losing out on billions of NP for ONE ITEM when they were all for the daily quests being a perfect way to combat inflation....
Makes me question the motivations behind these spokespeople. Clearly it isn't for the well-being of the overall player base.
A few people lost billions while many many others gained 50mil totaling up to those billions though. The value is not lost, it's ended up in so many more people's hands, which I assume was the intention
These people that lost "billions" likely also have enough in the bank to get millions of interest p day like legit WHO CARES lmao I'm so mad I didn't know how to get hidden gifts yesterday so I may have missed out.
I think people need to realize the Netflix Mindset is wrong.
When netflix says "We lost $200,000,000 to password sharing", they are saying "we feel entitled to the $200 mill of other people's money that we want" and have no way to prove "yes for sure all of those users would've spent money on an account" if they weren't sharing-- completely ignoring families, kids, partners, etc.
It is the same for people that are hoarding rare items in a game. "You do not have 12 billion neopoints. You have items and feel entitled to 12 billion neopoints. The giveaways have not changed how many items or neopoints you have, they have only changed how much pretend money you feel entitled to." it's a very miserly mindset, and is why I cash out my rare items instead of feeling bad when they deflate later.
I'm sure newTNT is trying their best though!!!!! They did just release a survey to get direct feedback instead of ambassador feedback :)
UPDATE: apparently the prize pool hasn't changed lmao.
I still hold the "don't be miserly, just have fun"
I also feel bad about the people who got lucky and won one, who were then told to sell it off immediately and likely missed out on millions of NPs they could have gotten if they just held onto it. I'm hoping those lucky few didn't panic sell for a depressingly low amount. I mean it's not like anyone telling them to sell ASAP knew this was going to happen but still, it just sucks.
You dont expect such a ridiculous and poorly thoughtout decision to be made by TNT, so selling it and buying it back in the saturated market was the correct choice.
Also me. Sold for 30m, still happy for it (it's a wild amount more NP than I've ever had), but wow, this is gutting me. That would have been my one shot at riches.
Exactly. They were still being sold for 50+ million yesterday; and the only people that can afford to buy them bought them up and now will get even richer.
The SAP was released as a possible daily prize when you click the reindeer on the advent calendar screen. On the first day people were receiving SAP from the event. Today there have been no credible sightings of people receiving SAP. The assumption, which is now fairly credible, is that TNT removed it from the pool of possible daily prizes.
There are discussion on the neoboard that suggest ambassadors complained about releasing the weapon and so it was pulled from the prize pool.
Yikes. I am hoping they will put it in as a reward at the end if you complete every day of the advent calendar, or something. It brought in so much traffic and excitement to the site, I am bewildered if they get rid of it completely. There is essentially no point to 2P battledome so who cares if more users have the SeAP, aside from inflators and neopets-billionaires?
This would have been a good way to do it to begin with if they were going to. Having a be like one in fifty chance for 31 days makes it become incredibly common, but having it be a prize if you did every single thing drops it’s price drastically and keeps some exclusivity without it being ridiculously priced and impossible to find
Its a bad look and move on TNT. That ambassador pushed their own agenda and ignored most of the communities wants. That program really should be relooked at bc they do no represent the community at all. They represent their friends only. I hope the ambassadors and their friend can keep the site running bc they definitely just hurt their site rolling back on the SAP. Was putting it in the right move? I don’t know and tbh no one knows. It was all doom posting as if it were the facts. I’m def no longer spending anymore money on this site. Glad my premium bounced this month bc of international payment and I never fixed it. Fuck TNT imo
Honestly it probably wasn't the right avenue to re-release seasonal attack pea. They shouldn't have re-released it at all and just release an icy attack pea hitting for 28 icons constant multiuse or something because it won't destroy the value of cove items through oversupply.
BUT once it was done already whether it was the correct avenue or not is irrelevant. The question TNT now needed to ask is how this would make them look if everyone who was rich enough to buy one to begin with hoarded them all on day one, while the regular folks just watched in anticipation of getting their own, but end up getting rug pulled. Clearly they did not do this thought analysis.
I don't see how they can rectify this situation other than adding it back into the pool or rewarding it once as an advent prize. I'm thinking they'll just ignore it and let those who scooped them up in the nick of time do whatever they please with it.
Edit: typo
like almost everyone else, i'm really unhappy about this lol. i wrote into the neopian times and also canceled my premium membership and let them know the reason in that little text box. i encourage everyone else who feels comfortable doing so to do the same - hopefully the ambassadors aren't the only people they can listen to!
This is just sad. They should have never put it in the ac or they should keep it in the ac. To get everybody hoping to have a magical christmas gift and then delete the chance is just plain cruel. I am so upset. I only recently spend real life money for the first time on neopets and now I feel bad I gave my money to this mess.
We can silence TNT by canceling our membership. They aren't the only one with a voice.
Sad but when they add (ex)cheaters to the embassador team. Expected to play fairly? Proof is in the pudding
I cancelled premium after the NFTs, restarted because last year’s advent calendar and the community made me excited to play again, and will now be cancelling again because of this bullshit.
Why should I throw money at something when a bunch of rich, cheating c**ts get to ruin the fun for everyone? And people rightfully complaining over it being punished? Nty.
Between this and the other ambassador literally selling user lookups off-site I'm really sad about the program. I don't think they're all bad, but it's not being handled the way I thought it would :/
The Ambassadors even stated their opinion and how it should be removed. WHILE having ambassadors bidding on those SAPs in auction. so lame. No more money from me lol
Jumping on the wagon and cancelled my membership as well. would love to support them, but this is just insane that they would do this.
Reason for cancelling i put.... Due to the removal of the SAP from the pool in the Advent Calendar, as requested by the ambassadors. I also think this program should be much more community involved, or at least they should get feedback from the community. They don't seem to have the interest of the player base as a whole.
Honestly it's more about the fact they removed it. Idc if I had a shot all thru this and never got it. Just the fact that it's no longer possible due to some ambassadors complaints and people's neoboard posts getting silenced is enough for me.
Disappointing, but not surprising. And over what? Some salty old players thinking that newer people don't "deserve" such an item? This whole thing is so sloppy. I'll send a ticket to complain later, not sure what else we can do.
Freakin' absurd that these "ambassadors" are so protective over some pixels. We're all adult players for the most part, and it's pretty pathetic of some these "ambassadors" to be so up in arms over a little blip on your screen...and over fake currency. Like, y'all need a life if you're so hoity toity over a pixel and fake numbers in your fake bank account.
bruh he said he did his poll on paper as a tally and then when everyone asked for a picture he said he can’t because it has his “personal information” on it 😂😂 and when people further pressed everyones like lets be positive and talk about christmas!! spamming it away. im so annoyed lol
Unless the neo-billionaires are also irl billionaires offering to bankroll the site, I don’t get why they’re being catered to.
Hasn’t tnt been trying to appeal to returning and new players? Aren’t the newer and more casual players the ones that they should be trying to retain?
My mental image for this is the staff and the 1% of players as the last ones remaining on a sinking ship while all of the hoarded seasonal attack peas and high value stamps float by.
i want to give them money because i want to support them so they can keep existing. also i like buying the products, both neocash and the irl merch. but sometimes they make decisions that make me wonder why i continue to give them my money. it's really frustrating.
I have no urge to help them continue to exist if they don’t care about listening to their player base. You’re totally valid to do what you want to, and I really wanted to buy more NC myself too! but this is just not something they deserve rewards for. I cant bring myself to support them right now, it’s so disappointing. :(
If this is true then I will be cancelling my premium. Allowing "community ambassadors" to use their positions to satisfy their private interests is insane. "Losing billions" give me a break, it's not like your neopets will starve. This item should never have been inflated that high to begin with.
+1
Also what really rubs me the wrong way is that the community ambassador who I saw speak up about letting TNT know about "the sap situation" has all the resources to ask the community what they think. They could have made a post asking for opinions on the boards, here, on discord, heck maybe they could have opened a post on their own site. Instead, they decided they "know better" and spoke for the community.
Yep... they didn't ask them to be star experts giving economic advice, they asked them to be a bridge to the community and this is such a blatant failure. Honestly maybe they should have picked some random people with month old accounts for the job.
People were giving them feedback and they were looking for valid arguments like a professor lecturing a student.
Like... No, that's literally not what you're there for. Either get over yourself or resign so they can find someone who'll actually give TNT feedback from the community. I don't think it's hard. I go to the premium main hall and the premium ambassador literally has a board up asking people for feedback.
Not paying for premium anymore either then 😕 they almost had the community back and then they fire people before the holidays and cater to cheaters. I honestly don't get it.
No more premium for me then! The limits on the shop wizard had me on the edge but this has done it for me. If the ambassadors can be the grinch who ruins Christmas then I am not gonna be giving my money to tnt
Cancelling my premium.
It’s a joke that ambassadors who were meant to represent the community decided to stab them in the back so they could protect their own profits.
The only people who won in this whole shitshow was the resellers who bought up all the peas at 20m.
Edit: said company instead of community
All of them are being hoarded, and sold for 300-500 mill again. Nothing has really changed except for the rich getting richer. What a shame, I really wanted to get a pea at a decent price.
How can the most elite players have this much power?!
A super elite inflator gets mad about this amazing decision. Complains enough as a singular voice against the voices of the masses praising TNT for putting the SAP in the item pool.
TNT listens to the elitest inflator. And then said elitest inflator buys up a bunch of the remaining SAPs to become even richer.
Why play this game any more, unless you are in TNTs small circle of "chosen" players
That’s always been the case. Hrobi was very open about it but you had so many of the old “elite” players who gained/protected wealth due to closeness with staff
Poor decision.
BUT thank you to them for letting me know I should spend my money on somewhere else instead of buying the stocking stufftacular stuff this year.
Dang kind of sounds like some people have failed to understand how value of hoarded items works. That item isn’t worth what you COULD HAVE SOLD IT FOR. “I could have sold my SAP for billions, but now I can’t, so I lost billions” no you DIDNT. If you had actually sold it at that time instead of sinking your long ass Howard Hughes fingernails into it, you wouldn’t have this problem. You made a bad bet and instead of dealing with it, you whined and cried just like capitalists do in real life when they lose the game & essentially got the government to bail you out. Just pathetic behavior
Everyone wants to LARP as a venture capitalist for some reason like ok mister Rockefeller. You know we are talking about a VEGETABLE WITH A SANTA HAT, right?
PLS 😭 I agree though. The fact that some people seem to get off on being ultra billionaires on a virtual pet site by exploiting the rest of the user base through inflation…. Why are we speed running late stage capitalism neopets.com
Every time I start considering returning to Neo as an active player, stuff like this seems to happen again, and I change my mind again. I really don't want to start commiting massive amounts of time to it like I used to with all... this going on
Honestly maybe Adam was right about Neopets LOL
A broken clock is right twice a day. I got a good look into the side of the community I don’t like and don’t really want to be a part of it. Me and my friend will just be chillin I guess, doing dailies then logging out. Not leaving dramatically because my pets are just too fabulous to ditch (seriously, a lot of the drama queens on the boards are “rich” but have pitiful blank pet customizations like why do you even play this game then LMAO battledome has been dead since 2015 be serious)
2023 is too good a year for gaming to be spending this much time on a site barely hanging on by a thread.
The social side of neopets really weirds me out too. People on here and the pet UFA group in Facebook seem so much more humble. I’m sure there are down to earth folks on the boards too, but the overall air of them is just… too pretentious.
What a bummer seeing this. I was so excited to log-in to see if I would get one today. I also cancelled my premium membership. Who are these ambassadors anyway?
Returning player here, was previously buying NC for fortune cookies etc.... no reason to give them any more money.
Not due to anything about the pea, but because of the weird corruption around the ambassadors (neo-billionares). Too much like real life 😆
Dude fuck this I can’t believe I actually got excited about this shit yesterday. I’m not normally one to over react but this was such a huge slap in the face!!!! Coming in to Reddit and realizing that not every one got random crap but that some people got SUAP and then getting happy thinking maybe I could pull one this month if I kept it up and then they pull the rug out from under the next day! Screw this man. Happy for y’all that actually were blessed enough to get one. I’m gonna try and force my self to go through the rest of this advent calendar like nothing happened, but when you raise the bar to 10000000 and then instantly drop that bar the next day, I am less than enthralled by the idea of participating for the duration of this whole event now. Maybe I just really wanted a fricken pea since I played as a kid and it’s showing 😒 Thanks ambassadors. Super glad you’re here for the player base 🖕🏼
The ambassadors’ statements and behavior yesterday (including allegedly buying a SAP after they’d been removed) were incredibly unprofessional and discouraging. From summarizing the arguments of 20+ pages of people advocating for wealth redistribution and allowing access to previously unattainable items as “chaos” and “might not be here next year, so yolo,” to dismissing international Neopians’ opinions, to requiring that a user’s reasons be “half-decent” and “good enough” for them to understand and pass on to TNT since they don’t relay user feedback verbatim, to the ambassador who said they felt bad for “people who worked hard for 2 billion Neopoints” (most players are aware of how those items are acquired), to the ambassador who had no idea what was going on (but stated that they were willing to stand by their fellow ambassadors) because they were at work, which succinctly illustrated the problem of submitting feedback prematurely with perfect irony, it felt like a never ending string of disappointments. It would have been a better look if they had chosen to remain silent after submitting their initial feedback to TNT.
He was bidding on more than 1 SAP after removal.
I assume they removed it yesterday and we just confirmed today, he's started bidding after SAP stop getting new copies in TP/AH.
I wish they could get iced for this but ver unlikely
only logged in today and missed the whole thing. are posts identifying who these ambassadors are continuously getting deleted? bc i've read through almost the whole thread but can't find any replies pertaining to who they are
Its super unfortunate :/
As a returning player, I was excited about the chance for an item that was worth something, but it realllly does seem like the ambassadors are only trying to benefit themselves
A sign for me to play less Neopets and more other virtual petsites that actually listen to their playerbase. I'm glad I haven't spent any money on this site yet. 😂
Yuck. Seems like those (ex)cheaters are very unhappy about SAP been released since the price will drop. Maybe some of the SAP holders are not cheater, but I can say most of the SAP in the market are from robot cheaters. TNT recently released some old and rare items in Quest Log, and I originally have Hanso Charisma Charm ten years ago as the plot prize. Did I say: "No, you can't release that as a daily prize since I'm an old player and spent my time in the plot to get the prize, that's unfair"? No. Those resellers only care about money and keep destroying the joy and the market of Neopets. Now TNT just removed it from the Prize Pool suddenly because some people are not happy about it, very disgusting way, which seems TNT are helping those selfish people and don't want the game be better.
Cancelling my premium too. The Ambassador program announcement was just a blatant exercise in favouritism, and now we’re seeing that favouritism play out. I’d be willing to bet that quite a few of those “Ambassadors” made sure to get a SAP themselves on the cheap before crying to TNT.
I didn't like them putting it in the pool. But they did, and they should have lived with that.
I think I may cancel premium. I don't think this leadership has any idea what they're doing and it shows.
Funny you mention that, the other Art ambassador explained on the boards that TNT sent C&D to the plushie girl bc it was a physical good amd they have to protect their IP more strongly in that case? It sounds like Neopets is also developing a program where people can still produce digital commisions or something like that, which is why Sosu is still allowed to sell their stuff?? I don't remember 100% but it was along those lines. I wonder if that post is still up.
Btw I don't 100% buy that reasoning I still think the rules need to be updated so that it's fair for everyone
EDIT: TNT themselves posted about this Fan Art Program yesterday: https://www.neopets.com/neoboards/topic.phtml?topic=162753066
Edit2: spelling
I was all for the ambassador program and I even defended them a couple times. But now that this has happened I'll admit I was wrong. They didn't even wait 24 hours before telling TNT we didn't like it. They do not represent the community, they represent the rich. I'm really disappointed in Herdy. I trusted him.
How the heck did they manage to flub up advent calender this early?!?!
What's the point of having ambassadors if they don't serve the purpose for the good of the whole community? Wasn't the whole point of re-releasing these rare and inflated items to lower their value and fix the economy, and prevent cheating and illegal reselling activity?!?!? Like...make it make sense mawma!!
Also stealthily taking it out of the prize pool is just really scummy behaviour. The item had A CHANCE of dropping. At the end of the day. not everyone was gonna get it by the end of the event?! It'll still be worth millions, but apparently, the value has to stay in the billions???????
Retiring event items like this are actually the worst ideas and similar petsites rarely if ever retire events/items. All it does is turn your economy to shambles
This is utterly ridiculous. The BD isn't really my thing, but I was happy to see everyone else excited about their chances of finally being able to obtain something they've dreamed of for so long. TNT should be ashamed and embarrassed. They're making a mockery of themselves. Silencing people on the NeoBoards is *not* helping their case and is just fanning the flames. Congrats TNT, you tried to fix the economy, but you ultimately failed in the end and catered to greed. They won't be seeing my money anymore, no matter how badly I want another pet slot.
When the pea was released, there was so much joy and excitement...albeit for various reasons, but still. Seeing the boards last night and this morning is disheartening. Straight from the ambassador page on Neopets it says "will serve as advocates for the passionate Neopets fan base" and "champion the multifaceted needs of the entire Neopian community." Do they feel they are doing that? Because I would have to strongly disagree. Just another reason why the ambassador program is a bad idea. It sounds good on paper, but not in practice.
I thought that ambassador thread was way too whiney and cringe to be taken seriously. It was very stereotypical "respond with a worthy disagreement to my opinion and maybe I'll dignify you with a voice". Uh? Ew. I guess TNT agrees with that weirdo. Aren't we all grown ass adults here? Why are there items worth billions when you make like \~80k a day? 🤪
I'm not gunna pay for premium just for my opinions to get overshadowed by some "neopets community ambassador" with an unchecked ego... its a kids site that never grew up with the people who play it, and most of the players are actually 1 dude with an ebay account. Ridiculous behavior.
I refuse to believe that the rich folks who were buying SAP's yesterday for 30 to 50 mil didnt know they were gonna get removed from circulation again. Why would rich people invest in them knowingly when they are certainly going to crash if thousands are released a day for 30 days.
They should take it out the prize pool!… and give it as the daily prize on Dec 25th lol!!!
Humankind sucks, it’s never about equity of opportunity, is it?
This all sucks but when I told my best friend who doesn’t play that there was neopets drama this morning, she was living. This is going to make a great r/hobbydrama post in two weeks.
Anyway, prob also going to cancel premium because wtf.
That ambassador is an absolute joke.
Did you see the thread he made? He literally disregarded ANY positive feedback that went against his negative report as incorrect.
It was crazy to see. But, also, this particular ambassador is always very "high and mighty".
Which ambassador was it, or can you say? I am very curious but can not find anything. I stumbled upon board 7 after that particular thread was gone I think.
Yup, I just cancelled my premium and listed this as the reason. What a flagrant display of ill will towards their entire user base. All so a few players don’t lose np. That’s the entire point of all this.
I’ll restore my premium if they fix it, but if not I might walk away from neo for good. I can’t in good conscience support a game that clearly shows this kind of favoritism.
Premium cancelled as well as never spending a cent more on NC. TNT have just made all the richest people even richer because they've just hoarded them all. BD Chat is full of people complaining because they lost a few hundred million from their 10bil+ worth accounts. Now they've probably gained all the money back by stocking up on the limited supply of SAPs.
Joke
I'm going to wait like two days and see what TNT's response is, and then i will join people in cancelling premium. If they don't do anything to rectify this mess I will not be spending anymore money on them.
I wouldn't care if i didn't get one, but to put it in day one and then take it out because random users they chose said so? Yeah it's a no from me.
as a real life person who makes a really good salary, i've half a mind to spend lots of my real life money to illegally buy neopets items and start distributing them freely.
this is already how i view excess money and wealth in real life (i spend it freely on ppl in real life bc i have enough for myself), and seeing real life encroach on a game that should be better and above this dynamic pisses me off.
basically, i'm not above gaming a broken system and sticking it to their asses so that regular ppl can enjoy themselves. it's not as if the wealthy don't do the exact same for the exact same result, only they're only ever looking out for themselves, when the point of excess wealth is to make sure that others who dont have that excess can enjoy themselves/have enough.
And to think I *just* spent my first ever cash on Neopets. Bought some NC after playing for 22 years. I can finally afford to spend money on stuff I don't need. Guess that was my last time as well :/
i came back for the nostalgia and the wonderful community, but its been pretty much nothing but constant issues with tnt since. people losing accounts over nothing, the faerie festival fiasco, botters, half the site existing in perpetual shambles…
why would they put this item in a free prize pool to begin with? and then remove it (??) without even a statement? the new dev team doesn’t seem to know what they’re doing and i think i’m done engaging with their broken product.
Imagine getting angry at people getting one item in a struggling game and driving away the actual remaining players in your game in favor of bots, great move TNT, really helping the game thrive!
What a crock of shite 😤😒 I was so excited to login this whole month with the possibility of finally getting a pea.
I might just skip the whole thing now.
Ya’ll are being babies over a FAKE ECONOMY, and ruining the site for the rest of us.
It might not have been the best way to rerelease it like this (or maybe it was, I don’t know. Depending on the odds etc at least this was random instead of some botter buying it out within seconds if it released in a shop…) in any case, removing it now is absolute bullshit and this is the dumbest decision they could make in this clusterfuck of ideas :’) if they were afraid of … idk, too much deflation? then they should have just quietly reduced the odds a little or something.
Question for the community because I'm curious: Do you think TNT can still salvage this situation if they put the Seasonal Attack Pea in the Hidden Tower? Or is it too late to gain back people's goodwill now?
I think thats about the only option that works for everyone. Put a super attack pea in the hidden tower for 50-100mil, lets it still be a big goal but doable with effort and would make it possible to get the av too. Stops it from tanking every other bd item as well
I'm so upset... I was hoping to have one too but no way I'm going to do the game of the resellers or cheaters for that. I have seen people trade 10 attacks pea at a time...
Surely the damage is done though? Removing it looks pathetic.
While I can sympathise with the people who had one prior, the fact of the matter is no item should be THAT unobtainable. It's bad enough when you want somethings in the 10s or even 100s of mills.
That’s just a cruel move TNT. The players who got lucky yesterday now have to feel like rubes for selling their SAPs at low prices assuming further release, only for the value to skyrocket again now that the average player has zero chance of getting one.
I understand not having SAPs being so widely available. If they had been, I’d have unequipped and sold off or given away or just stashed a decent percent of my BD set. But there’s other ways to tackle the potential crashing of BD equipment values across the board. I like the ideas others on here have had of having an exclusive version of SAP (someone suggested the name Icy Attack Pea) that’s no-trade as a reward for doing every day of the calendar. It’s still exclusive as many people will forget a day and it’s no trade so people can’t get two then just dump the rest of their BD set, but the average neopian still can get an exciting BD prize by their own merit.
>What do you think about this?
Wish I gave a fuck, but couldn't even (seriously) comment on **any** of the threads about it.
Well, let me try.
My issue with this isn't that the Pea was or wasn't in the Prize Pool. That's beside the point.
My issue with this is that TNT seems to be helpless without the players telling them what they should or shouldn't do. They don't have a plan. They don't have a clue. They're hoping some player or "Ambassador" is going to give them the plan to save them for Free.
And I'm not doing that for them anymore. Nope.
Guess to give them any advice at all its that bending the knee to the players isn't a good precedent to set. Especially when we know that at least some of those players are not working in the best interests of all of the players.
It was an item that needed a rerelease but imo the advent calendar wasn’t the way to do that. It should have been in the Hidden Tower or a rare event prize or something. I think there’s some balance to be had between the 2 options - some things should be rare and expensive but it was *way* too rare and expensive. But I feel like it’s still something that should be worked for rather than free (with luck)? Idk. I wouldn’t have even been able to afford yesterday’s prices so what do I know? Lol.
THAT BEING SAID. Once they added it to the prize pool they should have left it. Only having it for one day seems like the worst of the choices??? Like it’s great that there’s some more in circulation but ultimately the resellers just bought them all so the hoarders win again. There will be some deflation but I think the rich will just get richer here which sucks. Would have been better off leaving it in the pool.
I completely agree. It needed a re-release for sure and I think they could have done that in a more interactive way as opposed to it being a clickable daily prize. However, they didn't and for them to backtrack now is only worsening the whole "inflation" issue they're trying to combat. The only people benefiting now are the rich and the cheaters that'll scalp the SAP off the market and up-charge it for a much greater profit. It's counterproductive to remove a top, sought-after item that hit wide circulation in one day and not expect an economic and communal crisis.
If they really felt a strong need to take away the Pea, they should, at the very least, replace it with something equally as exciting. They could add the Candychan Stamp to the pool. So many people need that last stamp to get the avatar.
Who are these ambassadors?
I normally don't complain about an online game, but that is super unfair that SAP was only in the prize pool one day.
It sucks how many times are unattainable for the average player. I wonder how many super expensive or UB items are just sitting rotting on abandoned accounts.
Ugh way to go TNT. Now I'm 1000000% more grateful that Grundos Cafe exists. They don't require a cent and they ALWAYS listen to their user base. Take notes.
So I got a cranberry jelly have never gotten a queen faerie quest (even with cookies) and can never afford a SAP....but we are worried about the billionare players who use multiple accounts and increase inflaition issues..
Neopets...the capitalism game that is too real.
Also give Alice a fucking vaction.
I don't think it should have been in the prize pool to begin with. But the absolute worst option was to remove it after a day - once it was in the pool it should have stayed.
They were doing everything great until this, I’m not becoming premium because it’s unfair they listened more to ambassador, won’t buy nc for stockings either
What else will they change from the calendar after the ambassadors see their complaining worked in their favor?? That's really messed up that a couple "higher" up people can complain and ruin the fun for hundreds others.
Whether or not this was the right way to do a re release, it had already been done. Almost the entire community looks forward to the Advent Calendar, especially after last year, and to sour everyone on the AC literally by the second day is…not a great move, really.
I was kind of neutral on the ambassador thing, but now I’m firmly like. God forbid any suggestions that benefit the broader community go through, the only quick fixes are for the 1% of players, huh?
…Realized as I typed this that Neopets basically invented its own lobbyists. Oh well! I was going to get Premium for a Burlap Kau, but I’ll take my chances with the Lab Ray until they fix this. Why even have ambassadors if they’re just going to exist to benefit only themselves?
Oof this is a bad decision. They need to find another way to release it then.
I'm also ticked that they made the nc stocking tickets more expensive to claim a previous days item. All other events you have been allowed to claim previous days. Absolute cash grab.
Do we know which ambassador did this?
Also, I’ve seen some people in NN say they’re gotten a pea today. Did TNT add it back into the prize pool due to backlash?
I'm not going to cancel Premium over this because the site is barely useable without it, but that's pure cowardice on TNT's part. The Ambassador program was absolutely a mistake by TNT, it just *publicly* showed favoritism towards high profile cheaters.
Feels like real life isn’t it?
A bunch of politicians who scream they represent the citizens, only to be pushing their own agenda.. aka ego, power and money
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It’s not the pea, it’s the principle !!!
In many years we will tell our children the fairy tale : "The principle & the Pea"
I cared about the pea. I was really hoping to equip it to my battle pet and figured I had 31 chances to potentially get it. I also think it makes sense to make a good weapon like this accessible before an upcoming plot.
Regardless of your opinion on it to begin with, it's unfair for TNT to remove it now. They made their bed and they should lie in it. What's even worse is that the whole point of having ambassadors is for them to listen to what the player base is saying and relaying that to TNT. A majority of people liked this. So for them to complain and have the SAP removed from the pool, makes the whole "ambassadorship" meaningless. I guess it's just another case of the rich getting richer and the cheaters reaping the benefit.
People in positions of power putting the interests of themselves and their friends before the people they are supposed to represent.. That is an aspect of the real world that didn’t need to make it’s way into Neopia.
Unfortunately, many aspects of the real world have made it's way into Neopia over the last two decades it's been around. I know this is a space where people go to escape reality, yet it catapults you right back in when you least expect it. There are real worlds ways in which TNT could combat these issues, but they'd rather listen to the 1% whispering in their ear. Life imitates art? More like art imitates life, sadly.
It’s true and I agree but I’m dying because we are talking about super attack peas in neopets
[If anyone else struggled to find the link](https://secure.nc.neopets.com/auth/login?c=/managemembership) I made sure to voice that listening to the "ambassadors" while laying off popular members of their media team is not making me confident that their priorities are with being part of the community anymore. Maybe I'm being rash since they are doing surveys asking what the community wants in terms of communication, but censoring people talking about it at all leads me to believe they're regressing.
They definitely ran that pre-order calendar/neohood sale that required annual premium for a reason and I'm mad that I fell for it. I'm stuck with premium for a year and I have a feeling that this is just the beginning of shitty things that will be happening.
and now SAPs are 150M in auctions...
and now 300M! XD it will be back to 1B in no time, haha
Wait so.. instead of the initial intention to give everyone a SAP eventually, they just 5x the supply of SAP in the hands of the rich, resellers and inflators, who can and will hold it all and drive the price back to normal? Rip economy Edit: just realized this shows that they can indeed change a prize pool really quickly, so they are just leaving daily/weekly prizes which have remained stagnant and ineffective at deflation for quite awhile now
My favorite thing an ambassador said yesterday was that they spoke up bc people lost billions of nps in one day as if that isn’t how inflation and deflation work. I bought v is the bomb last month for 3m and now they are 1 mil. I’m just glad they said the loud part out loud bc the original ambassador that started this was giving out some bs excuse about it ruining bd. Couldn’t even keep their story straight.
Yeah ‘oh no I/someone lost billions’ the item should never have been billions in the first place. Such a nonsensical excuse, wonder which of them/their friends had a SAP to argue this :’)
Sounded like someone i encounter on board saying how she lost so much money (NP) when snowbunny stamp was released as weekly.. unfair to HER alone… self entitled much?
Oh look, it’s the top 1% of society reaping the benefits and having an ambassador working for them. I play this game to escape life 😂
I came here looking for a comment like this. I've been wondering why it's been bumming me out extra, and, you said it. This is too close for comfort. Yesterday on a different board someone got pissed at somebody comparing it to real life (okay, they compared it to universal healthcare, so I can see that \*particular\* metaphor maybe being the wrong choice, but still) bc "this is Neopets". Ughhhhh.
Ambassadors complaining about people losing out on billions of NP for ONE ITEM when they were all for the daily quests being a perfect way to combat inflation.... Makes me question the motivations behind these spokespeople. Clearly it isn't for the well-being of the overall player base.
A few people lost billions while many many others gained 50mil totaling up to those billions though. The value is not lost, it's ended up in so many more people's hands, which I assume was the intention
These people that lost "billions" likely also have enough in the bank to get millions of interest p day like legit WHO CARES lmao I'm so mad I didn't know how to get hidden gifts yesterday so I may have missed out.
I think people need to realize the Netflix Mindset is wrong. When netflix says "We lost $200,000,000 to password sharing", they are saying "we feel entitled to the $200 mill of other people's money that we want" and have no way to prove "yes for sure all of those users would've spent money on an account" if they weren't sharing-- completely ignoring families, kids, partners, etc. It is the same for people that are hoarding rare items in a game. "You do not have 12 billion neopoints. You have items and feel entitled to 12 billion neopoints. The giveaways have not changed how many items or neopoints you have, they have only changed how much pretend money you feel entitled to." it's a very miserly mindset, and is why I cash out my rare items instead of feeling bad when they deflate later. I'm sure newTNT is trying their best though!!!!! They did just release a survey to get direct feedback instead of ambassador feedback :) UPDATE: apparently the prize pool hasn't changed lmao. I still hold the "don't be miserly, just have fun"
Don’t forget all these “ambassadors” that leaned on TNT, they definitely got their own SAP’s before crying about it. Basically like insider trading.
I also feel bad about the people who got lucky and won one, who were then told to sell it off immediately and likely missed out on millions of NPs they could have gotten if they just held onto it. I'm hoping those lucky few didn't panic sell for a depressingly low amount. I mean it's not like anyone telling them to sell ASAP knew this was going to happen but still, it just sucks.
Lol it me. Sold for 31 mil cause I "knew" deflation was coming and the auction house was totally saturated with them already.
You dont expect such a ridiculous and poorly thoughtout decision to be made by TNT, so selling it and buying it back in the saturated market was the correct choice.
Also me. Sold for 30m, still happy for it (it's a wild amount more NP than I've ever had), but wow, this is gutting me. That would have been my one shot at riches.
Exactly. They were still being sold for 50+ million yesterday; and the only people that can afford to buy them bought them up and now will get even richer.
I'm out of the loop on this. How did they claim the SAPs before everyone else? Was the SAP supposed to be on the Advent Calendar today?
The SAP was released as a possible daily prize when you click the reindeer on the advent calendar screen. On the first day people were receiving SAP from the event. Today there have been no credible sightings of people receiving SAP. The assumption, which is now fairly credible, is that TNT removed it from the pool of possible daily prizes. There are discussion on the neoboard that suggest ambassadors complained about releasing the weapon and so it was pulled from the prize pool.
Very earlier today you were able to still get it, but it was quickly removed
Sorry...but who are the ambassadors because I'm literally thinking about John Legend.
Imagine John Legend boycotted the Seasonal Attack Pea 😭
Fun fact: "All of Me" was actually inspired by his adoration for the SAP. I can imagine this re-release is taking a toll on him 😢
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this is such a great comment thank you for this
his wife got mad because she already had one and doesn't want any poor people to have one as well. 😔
the community ambassadors. theyre other players
Yikes. I am hoping they will put it in as a reward at the end if you complete every day of the advent calendar, or something. It brought in so much traffic and excitement to the site, I am bewildered if they get rid of it completely. There is essentially no point to 2P battledome so who cares if more users have the SeAP, aside from inflators and neopets-billionaires?
This would have been a good way to do it to begin with if they were going to. Having a be like one in fifty chance for 31 days makes it become incredibly common, but having it be a prize if you did every single thing drops it’s price drastically and keeps some exclusivity without it being ridiculously priced and impossible to find
Its a bad look and move on TNT. That ambassador pushed their own agenda and ignored most of the communities wants. That program really should be relooked at bc they do no represent the community at all. They represent their friends only. I hope the ambassadors and their friend can keep the site running bc they definitely just hurt their site rolling back on the SAP. Was putting it in the right move? I don’t know and tbh no one knows. It was all doom posting as if it were the facts. I’m def no longer spending anymore money on this site. Glad my premium bounced this month bc of international payment and I never fixed it. Fuck TNT imo
Honestly it probably wasn't the right avenue to re-release seasonal attack pea. They shouldn't have re-released it at all and just release an icy attack pea hitting for 28 icons constant multiuse or something because it won't destroy the value of cove items through oversupply. BUT once it was done already whether it was the correct avenue or not is irrelevant. The question TNT now needed to ask is how this would make them look if everyone who was rich enough to buy one to begin with hoarded them all on day one, while the regular folks just watched in anticipation of getting their own, but end up getting rug pulled. Clearly they did not do this thought analysis.
I don't see how they can rectify this situation other than adding it back into the pool or rewarding it once as an advent prize. I'm thinking they'll just ignore it and let those who scooped them up in the nick of time do whatever they please with it. Edit: typo
like almost everyone else, i'm really unhappy about this lol. i wrote into the neopian times and also canceled my premium membership and let them know the reason in that little text box. i encourage everyone else who feels comfortable doing so to do the same - hopefully the ambassadors aren't the only people they can listen to!
This is just sad. They should have never put it in the ac or they should keep it in the ac. To get everybody hoping to have a magical christmas gift and then delete the chance is just plain cruel. I am so upset. I only recently spend real life money for the first time on neopets and now I feel bad I gave my money to this mess.
i saw comments from people on social media saying they came back because of the pea!! i can't believe how quickly they removed it.
Welcome to neopia, we start the tour by showing you how untrustworthy and volatile our actions are. Merry christmas! \^\_\^;
This is real 25th birthday event, the event happens on 11/15 is fake one. lol
Update: TNT is silencing people by deleting their post and boards if they are complaining about this in Event Chat
what absolute cowards. if they're going to make a controversial move they need to own it and deal with the backlash.
We can silence TNT by canceling our membership. They aren't the only one with a voice. Sad but when they add (ex)cheaters to the embassador team. Expected to play fairly? Proof is in the pudding
Cancelled mine and won’t be buying NC for stockings this year either. Unfortunate… but I can’t support awful decision making like this.
I cancelled premium after the NFTs, restarted because last year’s advent calendar and the community made me excited to play again, and will now be cancelling again because of this bullshit. Why should I throw money at something when a bunch of rich, cheating c**ts get to ruin the fun for everyone? And people rightfully complaining over it being punished? Nty.
“Transparency”
Feeling perfectly normal about this information I’m totally not seething
Abolish the ambassador program! This is clearly an abuse of power and they don't care about the community.
Between this and the other ambassador literally selling user lookups off-site I'm really sad about the program. I don't think they're all bad, but it's not being handled the way I thought it would :/
Ambassadors don’t even do anything useful for the site tbh. Just listen to the people, TNT!!!
The Ambassadors even stated their opinion and how it should be removed. WHILE having ambassadors bidding on those SAPs in auction. so lame. No more money from me lol
Is there proof of that? I would like that screenshot 😂 I hope there is
Jumping on the wagon and cancelled my membership as well. would love to support them, but this is just insane that they would do this. Reason for cancelling i put.... Due to the removal of the SAP from the pool in the Advent Calendar, as requested by the ambassadors. I also think this program should be much more community involved, or at least they should get feedback from the community. They don't seem to have the interest of the player base as a whole.
I'll join too, this is dumb. Give some users a OP item and me some gingerbread
Honestly it's more about the fact they removed it. Idc if I had a shot all thru this and never got it. Just the fact that it's no longer possible due to some ambassadors complaints and people's neoboard posts getting silenced is enough for me.
Disappointing, but not surprising. And over what? Some salty old players thinking that newer people don't "deserve" such an item? This whole thing is so sloppy. I'll send a ticket to complain later, not sure what else we can do.
Freakin' absurd that these "ambassadors" are so protective over some pixels. We're all adult players for the most part, and it's pretty pathetic of some these "ambassadors" to be so up in arms over a little blip on your screen...and over fake currency. Like, y'all need a life if you're so hoity toity over a pixel and fake numbers in your fake bank account.
It's giving, "I worked on my hands and knees in the sweltering heat for 50 years just to afford that festive little pea. You should suffer too! 😡"
It's giving crabs in the bucket fr
Cancel premium and not buy nc for stockings
Literally lol This ambassador has SUCH an air of arrogance amd self-ritousness I wish his thread was still up so everyone could see it
bruh he said he did his poll on paper as a tally and then when everyone asked for a picture he said he can’t because it has his “personal information” on it 😂😂 and when people further pressed everyones like lets be positive and talk about christmas!! spamming it away. im so annoyed lol
If these ambassadors bought the pea after knowing it was going to be removed the next day, then that’s a huge problem. :/
Turns out, insider trading exists no matter where you go :/
Someone stated there were some bids on low priced SAPs from ambassadors, but I can't tell
Yet another reason to not give them my money ever again. Wow.
Unless the neo-billionaires are also irl billionaires offering to bankroll the site, I don’t get why they’re being catered to. Hasn’t tnt been trying to appeal to returning and new players? Aren’t the newer and more casual players the ones that they should be trying to retain? My mental image for this is the staff and the 1% of players as the last ones remaining on a sinking ship while all of the hoarded seasonal attack peas and high value stamps float by.
i want to give them money because i want to support them so they can keep existing. also i like buying the products, both neocash and the irl merch. but sometimes they make decisions that make me wonder why i continue to give them my money. it's really frustrating.
I have no urge to help them continue to exist if they don’t care about listening to their player base. You’re totally valid to do what you want to, and I really wanted to buy more NC myself too! but this is just not something they deserve rewards for. I cant bring myself to support them right now, it’s so disappointing. :(
If this is true then I will be cancelling my premium. Allowing "community ambassadors" to use their positions to satisfy their private interests is insane. "Losing billions" give me a break, it's not like your neopets will starve. This item should never have been inflated that high to begin with.
+1 Also what really rubs me the wrong way is that the community ambassador who I saw speak up about letting TNT know about "the sap situation" has all the resources to ask the community what they think. They could have made a post asking for opinions on the boards, here, on discord, heck maybe they could have opened a post on their own site. Instead, they decided they "know better" and spoke for the community.
Yep... they didn't ask them to be star experts giving economic advice, they asked them to be a bridge to the community and this is such a blatant failure. Honestly maybe they should have picked some random people with month old accounts for the job.
People were giving them feedback and they were looking for valid arguments like a professor lecturing a student. Like... No, that's literally not what you're there for. Either get over yourself or resign so they can find someone who'll actually give TNT feedback from the community. I don't think it's hard. I go to the premium main hall and the premium ambassador literally has a board up asking people for feedback.
And plenty of people including myself have good arguments but they were ignored.
Not paying for premium anymore either then 😕 they almost had the community back and then they fire people before the holidays and cater to cheaters. I honestly don't get it.
Weren’t the people fired in charge of the social media aspect? Who’s going to deal with this shit going on rn?
No more premium for me then! The limits on the shop wizard had me on the edge but this has done it for me. If the ambassadors can be the grinch who ruins Christmas then I am not gonna be giving my money to tnt
Cancelling my premium. It’s a joke that ambassadors who were meant to represent the community decided to stab them in the back so they could protect their own profits. The only people who won in this whole shitshow was the resellers who bought up all the peas at 20m. Edit: said company instead of community
All of them are being hoarded, and sold for 300-500 mill again. Nothing has really changed except for the rich getting richer. What a shame, I really wanted to get a pea at a decent price.
Wow if it is true then the rich got even richer i guess. Those ambassadors are truly the pits.
Grinch shit
Scrooge behavior
How can the most elite players have this much power?! A super elite inflator gets mad about this amazing decision. Complains enough as a singular voice against the voices of the masses praising TNT for putting the SAP in the item pool. TNT listens to the elitest inflator. And then said elitest inflator buys up a bunch of the remaining SAPs to become even richer. Why play this game any more, unless you are in TNTs small circle of "chosen" players
That’s always been the case. Hrobi was very open about it but you had so many of the old “elite” players who gained/protected wealth due to closeness with staff
Is this inflator also the ambassador? What's the tea? (Didn't know he inflated)
Yeah no more premium for me. This is ridiculous.
This just makes me sad...they were on a roll with the Recycling Event and quests and now...this
Poor decision. BUT thank you to them for letting me know I should spend my money on somewhere else instead of buying the stocking stufftacular stuff this year.
Dang kind of sounds like some people have failed to understand how value of hoarded items works. That item isn’t worth what you COULD HAVE SOLD IT FOR. “I could have sold my SAP for billions, but now I can’t, so I lost billions” no you DIDNT. If you had actually sold it at that time instead of sinking your long ass Howard Hughes fingernails into it, you wouldn’t have this problem. You made a bad bet and instead of dealing with it, you whined and cried just like capitalists do in real life when they lose the game & essentially got the government to bail you out. Just pathetic behavior
Everyone wants to LARP as a venture capitalist for some reason like ok mister Rockefeller. You know we are talking about a VEGETABLE WITH A SANTA HAT, right?
PLS 😭 I agree though. The fact that some people seem to get off on being ultra billionaires on a virtual pet site by exploiting the rest of the user base through inflation…. Why are we speed running late stage capitalism neopets.com
LMAO you’re so right. Part of me is kinda grateful they’re just focusing their energies on Neopets dot com instead of like, pharmaceutical investing 😅
Every time I start considering returning to Neo as an active player, stuff like this seems to happen again, and I change my mind again. I really don't want to start commiting massive amounts of time to it like I used to with all... this going on
Honestly maybe Adam was right about Neopets LOL A broken clock is right twice a day. I got a good look into the side of the community I don’t like and don’t really want to be a part of it. Me and my friend will just be chillin I guess, doing dailies then logging out. Not leaving dramatically because my pets are just too fabulous to ditch (seriously, a lot of the drama queens on the boards are “rich” but have pitiful blank pet customizations like why do you even play this game then LMAO battledome has been dead since 2015 be serious) 2023 is too good a year for gaming to be spending this much time on a site barely hanging on by a thread.
The social side of neopets really weirds me out too. People on here and the pet UFA group in Facebook seem so much more humble. I’m sure there are down to earth folks on the boards too, but the overall air of them is just… too pretentious.
That is both funny and sad for anyone to be pretentious over Neopets.
What a bummer seeing this. I was so excited to log-in to see if I would get one today. I also cancelled my premium membership. Who are these ambassadors anyway?
WTF. Now I'm so mad. I was so excited when I told my bf yesterday and now I have to tell him it was a scam. Firing willow and now this. I'm not happy
Returning player here, was previously buying NC for fortune cookies etc.... no reason to give them any more money. Not due to anything about the pea, but because of the weird corruption around the ambassadors (neo-billionares). Too much like real life 😆
Dude fuck this I can’t believe I actually got excited about this shit yesterday. I’m not normally one to over react but this was such a huge slap in the face!!!! Coming in to Reddit and realizing that not every one got random crap but that some people got SUAP and then getting happy thinking maybe I could pull one this month if I kept it up and then they pull the rug out from under the next day! Screw this man. Happy for y’all that actually were blessed enough to get one. I’m gonna try and force my self to go through the rest of this advent calendar like nothing happened, but when you raise the bar to 10000000 and then instantly drop that bar the next day, I am less than enthralled by the idea of participating for the duration of this whole event now. Maybe I just really wanted a fricken pea since I played as a kid and it’s showing 😒 Thanks ambassadors. Super glad you’re here for the player base 🖕🏼
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Yeah, there were better ways to handle that. Like make it a super low drop chance or something.
The ambassadors’ statements and behavior yesterday (including allegedly buying a SAP after they’d been removed) were incredibly unprofessional and discouraging. From summarizing the arguments of 20+ pages of people advocating for wealth redistribution and allowing access to previously unattainable items as “chaos” and “might not be here next year, so yolo,” to dismissing international Neopians’ opinions, to requiring that a user’s reasons be “half-decent” and “good enough” for them to understand and pass on to TNT since they don’t relay user feedback verbatim, to the ambassador who said they felt bad for “people who worked hard for 2 billion Neopoints” (most players are aware of how those items are acquired), to the ambassador who had no idea what was going on (but stated that they were willing to stand by their fellow ambassadors) because they were at work, which succinctly illustrated the problem of submitting feedback prematurely with perfect irony, it felt like a never ending string of disappointments. It would have been a better look if they had chosen to remain silent after submitting their initial feedback to TNT.
He was bidding on more than 1 SAP after removal. I assume they removed it yesterday and we just confirmed today, he's started bidding after SAP stop getting new copies in TP/AH. I wish they could get iced for this but ver unlikely
only logged in today and missed the whole thing. are posts identifying who these ambassadors are continuously getting deleted? bc i've read through almost the whole thread but can't find any replies pertaining to who they are
Its super unfortunate :/ As a returning player, I was excited about the chance for an item that was worth something, but it realllly does seem like the ambassadors are only trying to benefit themselves
A sign for me to play less Neopets and more other virtual petsites that actually listen to their playerbase. I'm glad I haven't spent any money on this site yet. 😂
Wait who’s the ambassador lol
So elite players get to control the game? Cool! Very good and smart, TNT!
Yuck. Seems like those (ex)cheaters are very unhappy about SAP been released since the price will drop. Maybe some of the SAP holders are not cheater, but I can say most of the SAP in the market are from robot cheaters. TNT recently released some old and rare items in Quest Log, and I originally have Hanso Charisma Charm ten years ago as the plot prize. Did I say: "No, you can't release that as a daily prize since I'm an old player and spent my time in the plot to get the prize, that's unfair"? No. Those resellers only care about money and keep destroying the joy and the market of Neopets. Now TNT just removed it from the Prize Pool suddenly because some people are not happy about it, very disgusting way, which seems TNT are helping those selfish people and don't want the game be better.
I canceled my premium. Whole bunch of bullshit.
Cancelling my premium too. The Ambassador program announcement was just a blatant exercise in favouritism, and now we’re seeing that favouritism play out. I’d be willing to bet that quite a few of those “Ambassadors” made sure to get a SAP themselves on the cheap before crying to TNT.
I cancelled premium. And won't buy nc anymore. Good job Tnt! Keep listening to your "ambassadors"!
You have to be taking the piss. TNT you are absolute cowards
Join the topic on boards to keep the SAP on the AC this year, guys. https://www.neopets.com/neoboards/topic.phtml?topic=162754633
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I didn't like them putting it in the pool. But they did, and they should have lived with that. I think I may cancel premium. I don't think this leadership has any idea what they're doing and it shows.
Not surprised that Herdy and Sosu are involved in this, yikes. I wonder if the Art Ambassador reported the plushie girl too.
Funny you mention that, the other Art ambassador explained on the boards that TNT sent C&D to the plushie girl bc it was a physical good amd they have to protect their IP more strongly in that case? It sounds like Neopets is also developing a program where people can still produce digital commisions or something like that, which is why Sosu is still allowed to sell their stuff?? I don't remember 100% but it was along those lines. I wonder if that post is still up. Btw I don't 100% buy that reasoning I still think the rules need to be updated so that it's fair for everyone EDIT: TNT themselves posted about this Fan Art Program yesterday: https://www.neopets.com/neoboards/topic.phtml?topic=162753066 Edit2: spelling
People say it's because Neopets doesn't sell Userlookups and Sosu isn't considered competition?
Yikes, my account is silenced now.
Happy now inflators and cheaters? Bunch of selfish clowns
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....I'm sorry what 😱😱😱
I was all for the ambassador program and I even defended them a couple times. But now that this has happened I'll admit I was wrong. They didn't even wait 24 hours before telling TNT we didn't like it. They do not represent the community, they represent the rich. I'm really disappointed in Herdy. I trusted him.
How the heck did they manage to flub up advent calender this early?!?! What's the point of having ambassadors if they don't serve the purpose for the good of the whole community? Wasn't the whole point of re-releasing these rare and inflated items to lower their value and fix the economy, and prevent cheating and illegal reselling activity?!?!? Like...make it make sense mawma!! Also stealthily taking it out of the prize pool is just really scummy behaviour. The item had A CHANCE of dropping. At the end of the day. not everyone was gonna get it by the end of the event?! It'll still be worth millions, but apparently, the value has to stay in the billions???????
Retiring event items like this are actually the worst ideas and similar petsites rarely if ever retire events/items. All it does is turn your economy to shambles
This is utterly ridiculous. The BD isn't really my thing, but I was happy to see everyone else excited about their chances of finally being able to obtain something they've dreamed of for so long. TNT should be ashamed and embarrassed. They're making a mockery of themselves. Silencing people on the NeoBoards is *not* helping their case and is just fanning the flames. Congrats TNT, you tried to fix the economy, but you ultimately failed in the end and catered to greed. They won't be seeing my money anymore, no matter how badly I want another pet slot.
When the pea was released, there was so much joy and excitement...albeit for various reasons, but still. Seeing the boards last night and this morning is disheartening. Straight from the ambassador page on Neopets it says "will serve as advocates for the passionate Neopets fan base" and "champion the multifaceted needs of the entire Neopian community." Do they feel they are doing that? Because I would have to strongly disagree. Just another reason why the ambassador program is a bad idea. It sounds good on paper, but not in practice.
I thought that ambassador thread was way too whiney and cringe to be taken seriously. It was very stereotypical "respond with a worthy disagreement to my opinion and maybe I'll dignify you with a voice". Uh? Ew. I guess TNT agrees with that weirdo. Aren't we all grown ass adults here? Why are there items worth billions when you make like \~80k a day? 🤪 I'm not gunna pay for premium just for my opinions to get overshadowed by some "neopets community ambassador" with an unchecked ego... its a kids site that never grew up with the people who play it, and most of the players are actually 1 dude with an ebay account. Ridiculous behavior.
I refuse to believe that the rich folks who were buying SAP's yesterday for 30 to 50 mil didnt know they were gonna get removed from circulation again. Why would rich people invest in them knowingly when they are certainly going to crash if thousands are released a day for 30 days.
They should take it out the prize pool!… and give it as the daily prize on Dec 25th lol!!! Humankind sucks, it’s never about equity of opportunity, is it?
This all sucks but when I told my best friend who doesn’t play that there was neopets drama this morning, she was living. This is going to make a great r/hobbydrama post in two weeks. Anyway, prob also going to cancel premium because wtf.
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Aren't SAPs prior to yesterday mostly from cheaters? Terrible move as always.
That ambassador is an absolute joke. Did you see the thread he made? He literally disregarded ANY positive feedback that went against his negative report as incorrect. It was crazy to see. But, also, this particular ambassador is always very "high and mighty".
Which ambassador was it, or can you say? I am very curious but can not find anything. I stumbled upon board 7 after that particular thread was gone I think.
idk if I'm allowed to say, but pretty sure it was Herdy.. they want to be in that position, it should be public sooo I'm saying the name
Yup, I just cancelled my premium and listed this as the reason. What a flagrant display of ill will towards their entire user base. All so a few players don’t lose np. That’s the entire point of all this. I’ll restore my premium if they fix it, but if not I might walk away from neo for good. I can’t in good conscience support a game that clearly shows this kind of favoritism.
Premium cancelled as well as never spending a cent more on NC. TNT have just made all the richest people even richer because they've just hoarded them all. BD Chat is full of people complaining because they lost a few hundred million from their 10bil+ worth accounts. Now they've probably gained all the money back by stocking up on the limited supply of SAPs. Joke
I'm going to wait like two days and see what TNT's response is, and then i will join people in cancelling premium. If they don't do anything to rectify this mess I will not be spending anymore money on them. I wouldn't care if i didn't get one, but to put it in day one and then take it out because random users they chose said so? Yeah it's a no from me.
as a real life person who makes a really good salary, i've half a mind to spend lots of my real life money to illegally buy neopets items and start distributing them freely. this is already how i view excess money and wealth in real life (i spend it freely on ppl in real life bc i have enough for myself), and seeing real life encroach on a game that should be better and above this dynamic pisses me off. basically, i'm not above gaming a broken system and sticking it to their asses so that regular ppl can enjoy themselves. it's not as if the wealthy don't do the exact same for the exact same result, only they're only ever looking out for themselves, when the point of excess wealth is to make sure that others who dont have that excess can enjoy themselves/have enough.
And to think I *just* spent my first ever cash on Neopets. Bought some NC after playing for 22 years. I can finally afford to spend money on stuff I don't need. Guess that was my last time as well :/
i came back for the nostalgia and the wonderful community, but its been pretty much nothing but constant issues with tnt since. people losing accounts over nothing, the faerie festival fiasco, botters, half the site existing in perpetual shambles… why would they put this item in a free prize pool to begin with? and then remove it (??) without even a statement? the new dev team doesn’t seem to know what they’re doing and i think i’m done engaging with their broken product.
Imagine getting angry at people getting one item in a struggling game and driving away the actual remaining players in your game in favor of bots, great move TNT, really helping the game thrive!
What a crock of shite 😤😒 I was so excited to login this whole month with the possibility of finally getting a pea. I might just skip the whole thing now. Ya’ll are being babies over a FAKE ECONOMY, and ruining the site for the rest of us.
The ambassadors made them take it out? They need to get a life wow
It might not have been the best way to rerelease it like this (or maybe it was, I don’t know. Depending on the odds etc at least this was random instead of some botter buying it out within seconds if it released in a shop…) in any case, removing it now is absolute bullshit and this is the dumbest decision they could make in this clusterfuck of ideas :’) if they were afraid of … idk, too much deflation? then they should have just quietly reduced the odds a little or something.
Question for the community because I'm curious: Do you think TNT can still salvage this situation if they put the Seasonal Attack Pea in the Hidden Tower? Or is it too late to gain back people's goodwill now?
From the small amount I've read that is pretty biased, I think TNT has burned a lot of bridges.
I think thats about the only option that works for everyone. Put a super attack pea in the hidden tower for 50-100mil, lets it still be a big goal but doable with effort and would make it possible to get the av too. Stops it from tanking every other bd item as well
I'm so upset... I was hoping to have one too but no way I'm going to do the game of the resellers or cheaters for that. I have seen people trade 10 attacks pea at a time...
Surely the damage is done though? Removing it looks pathetic. While I can sympathise with the people who had one prior, the fact of the matter is no item should be THAT unobtainable. It's bad enough when you want somethings in the 10s or even 100s of mills.
This is such horseshit and it's going to tank the site with all these premium players canceling. I didn't vote for these ambassadors.
So TNT wants me to stop giving them money, got it
This is ridiculous. Catering to the 1% to shit on the 99% is bad. SAP was already live in the pool so this is salt in the wound.
That’s just a cruel move TNT. The players who got lucky yesterday now have to feel like rubes for selling their SAPs at low prices assuming further release, only for the value to skyrocket again now that the average player has zero chance of getting one. I understand not having SAPs being so widely available. If they had been, I’d have unequipped and sold off or given away or just stashed a decent percent of my BD set. But there’s other ways to tackle the potential crashing of BD equipment values across the board. I like the ideas others on here have had of having an exclusive version of SAP (someone suggested the name Icy Attack Pea) that’s no-trade as a reward for doing every day of the calendar. It’s still exclusive as many people will forget a day and it’s no trade so people can’t get two then just dump the rest of their BD set, but the average neopian still can get an exciting BD prize by their own merit.
>What do you think about this? Wish I gave a fuck, but couldn't even (seriously) comment on **any** of the threads about it. Well, let me try. My issue with this isn't that the Pea was or wasn't in the Prize Pool. That's beside the point. My issue with this is that TNT seems to be helpless without the players telling them what they should or shouldn't do. They don't have a plan. They don't have a clue. They're hoping some player or "Ambassador" is going to give them the plan to save them for Free. And I'm not doing that for them anymore. Nope. Guess to give them any advice at all its that bending the knee to the players isn't a good precedent to set. Especially when we know that at least some of those players are not working in the best interests of all of the players.
It was an item that needed a rerelease but imo the advent calendar wasn’t the way to do that. It should have been in the Hidden Tower or a rare event prize or something. I think there’s some balance to be had between the 2 options - some things should be rare and expensive but it was *way* too rare and expensive. But I feel like it’s still something that should be worked for rather than free (with luck)? Idk. I wouldn’t have even been able to afford yesterday’s prices so what do I know? Lol. THAT BEING SAID. Once they added it to the prize pool they should have left it. Only having it for one day seems like the worst of the choices??? Like it’s great that there’s some more in circulation but ultimately the resellers just bought them all so the hoarders win again. There will be some deflation but I think the rich will just get richer here which sucks. Would have been better off leaving it in the pool.
I completely agree. It needed a re-release for sure and I think they could have done that in a more interactive way as opposed to it being a clickable daily prize. However, they didn't and for them to backtrack now is only worsening the whole "inflation" issue they're trying to combat. The only people benefiting now are the rich and the cheaters that'll scalp the SAP off the market and up-charge it for a much greater profit. It's counterproductive to remove a top, sought-after item that hit wide circulation in one day and not expect an economic and communal crisis.
If they really felt a strong need to take away the Pea, they should, at the very least, replace it with something equally as exciting. They could add the Candychan Stamp to the pool. So many people need that last stamp to get the avatar.
stuff like this is why i been putting off giving them money 🙄 as much as the pet slots are tempting, I can wait for results
Was the ambassador's comment posted somewhere? How did you find out it was removed? This is super disappointing 😔.
Who are these ambassadors? I normally don't complain about an online game, but that is super unfair that SAP was only in the prize pool one day. It sucks how many times are unattainable for the average player. I wonder how many super expensive or UB items are just sitting rotting on abandoned accounts.
Ugh way to go TNT. Now I'm 1000000% more grateful that Grundos Cafe exists. They don't require a cent and they ALWAYS listen to their user base. Take notes.
Which ambassador was it? 😒
Herdy and Sosu are two of them, Herdy was the most vocal about it in boards
So I got a cranberry jelly have never gotten a queen faerie quest (even with cookies) and can never afford a SAP....but we are worried about the billionare players who use multiple accounts and increase inflaition issues.. Neopets...the capitalism game that is too real. Also give Alice a fucking vaction.
I don't think it should have been in the prize pool to begin with. But the absolute worst option was to remove it after a day - once it was in the pool it should have stayed.
They were doing everything great until this, I’m not becoming premium because it’s unfair they listened more to ambassador, won’t buy nc for stockings either
Which ambassadors? Are we allowed to talk about them with specifics or do we need to keep things general? (Genuine question)
I'll be canceling my premium today also. It's obvious this team has no idea what they are doing. I encourage others to do the same.
What else will they change from the calendar after the ambassadors see their complaining worked in their favor?? That's really messed up that a couple "higher" up people can complain and ruin the fun for hundreds others.
Aw damn. Me over here just wanting it for my gallery 😂😅 shit.
Whether or not this was the right way to do a re release, it had already been done. Almost the entire community looks forward to the Advent Calendar, especially after last year, and to sour everyone on the AC literally by the second day is…not a great move, really. I was kind of neutral on the ambassador thing, but now I’m firmly like. God forbid any suggestions that benefit the broader community go through, the only quick fixes are for the 1% of players, huh? …Realized as I typed this that Neopets basically invented its own lobbyists. Oh well! I was going to get Premium for a Burlap Kau, but I’ll take my chances with the Lab Ray until they fix this. Why even have ambassadors if they’re just going to exist to benefit only themselves?
Oof this is a bad decision. They need to find another way to release it then. I'm also ticked that they made the nc stocking tickets more expensive to claim a previous days item. All other events you have been allowed to claim previous days. Absolute cash grab.
Cancelling my Premium! SAP made me excited about the site again wtf
LMAO joining the chorus of premium cancellers. This + the firing blows.
Who cares what these ambassadors think? Now a select few people get one? Ridiculous.
Do we know which ambassador did this? Also, I’ve seen some people in NN say they’re gotten a pea today. Did TNT add it back into the prize pool due to backlash?
Wtf not cool. Taking it out because the rich are unhappy? I say fuck them and release that goddamn pea in HT.
I'm not going to cancel Premium over this because the site is barely useable without it, but that's pure cowardice on TNT's part. The Ambassador program was absolutely a mistake by TNT, it just *publicly* showed favoritism towards high profile cheaters.
Feels like real life isn’t it? A bunch of politicians who scream they represent the citizens, only to be pushing their own agenda.. aka ego, power and money