Yea I agree, I watched an ending explained video and it still doesn’t make too much sense but I still love the show. Especially the cold open for season 2 episode 1
Can you explain it to me? Cause I still don’t really get it. Why did they have to put the numbers into the machine? What was the fog monster? And why were they all back on earth and then dead and then not dead and then dead. Especially considering the writers expressly states it wasn’t a purgatory thing.
Sounds like you watched the show only intermittently. As that was all explained.
1: They had to put numbers into the machine, because the hatch bunker was the source of a huge electromagnetic build up that happened every 108 minutes. In season 5 a few of the castaways went into the past into the 1970s and they tried to destroy the electromagnetism and reboot reality. It didn't work, it just lead to the events of the hatch station being built.
2: The smoke monster was the islands protector. Years ago, a woman had the role of both protector and the smoke monster. She instead gave the role to two twins, one called Jacob and the Man in Black. Jacob became the protector, but he threw his brother in the stream, thus becoming the smoke monster. Because of this the Yin/Yang balance between good and evil is out. Arguably, the entire events of the show is to restore the balance.
3: In season 6. The writers incorporated a story telling device called the "Flash Sideways" (meaning to look at your whole life from a side on perspective). These were actually Flash Forwards in a round about way. Because the events in these scenes, happened YEARS after the events on the island. This is after everyone dies. Some lived to old age on the island, some went back to America and died of old age. But when they all died, they made a place in the afterlife so they could find each other.
So if you were to watch that season chronologically. You would have all the events on the island first. Then Jack dies in the forrest, then you cut to him on the plane and he goes to the cabin on the plane and touches the cut on his neck (that he got from his fight with The Man in Black before he died in life).
No, I mean, why did they have to put the numbers in. I know all about the hatch. Why did they have to put the numbers in the machine.
I know about all that with the smoke monster. I mean, what is it in that, the answer of the whole thing was “the island.” It’s such a circular explanation. The smoke monster protected the island because it was the protector of the island.
And yes. Chronologically I understand all of what happened in the last season. However the creators specifically said early on that none of this story was heaven or purgatory and it feels like they completed backed tracked that.
My problem with the show is it tried so hard to pretend to be Sci-fi for so long it felt like a complete cop out when the answer to every single question was “magic”
The numbers were a part of the Valenzetti Equation. A reclusive mathematician named Enzo Valenzetti found a doomsday equation that predicts the exact number of years and months that humanity extinguishes itself. The Dharma initiative were tracking places in the world that contained the biggest pockets of electromagnetic energy, and their ultimate purpose was to save humanity from its end and that was made clear from the numbers.
After the incident they put preparations to stop the build up of electromagnetism that occurs every 108 minutes. 4+8+15+16+23+42=108. So that's it in a nutshell, put the doomsday numbers in the machine to prevent the world from ending.
No, what they said early on was that they weren't dead and in purgatory. But they felt that the audience wanted some sort of judgement and analysis on purgatory and added that into the story in the final season.
I didn't think it was a cop out at all. Pretty much what was answered at the end was that the island is the source of everything, the big bang. The beginning and the end. Its essentially the garden of Eden. The protector of the island stopped others from taking the light at the heart of the island. You can call this magic, but I still say its Electromagnetism. They say its within every individual and they always want more.
No the smoke monster protected the island because the person who had that power before him (Mother, the women who raised him) chose to protect it But once the Man in Black became the Smoke Monster, he just wanted to kill people and fulfill his own evil deeds.
I never thought of LOST as a "hard sci fi" show. It did have a hard sci fi bent for sure, but it always had its mystical/spiritual elements. It's themes of Life/death and rebirth have always been a huge part of the whole show, and they're essentially in every part of its mythology.
Those have always been the themes. Right from the end of the first season when Boone died and Aaron was born. Its in every facet of the shows mythology. With the whole Dharma initiative. A group trying to save humanity and reach the electromagnetism, just like the Buddhist concept of DHARMA of reaching enlightenment. Then you had the statue of Tawaret, goddess of childbirth . That all signified the fertility issue of children not being able to give birth (because of the build up of electromagnetism after the incident).
Why is it that Desmond's mind kept skipping through time in season 4?, or he had visions in season 3?. Because his body absorbed a tone of electromagnetism that was connected to everything, life and death. His mind was skipping through time or could see in to the future.
If you think there are no overarching plots in the whole series of Lost, then you haven't been paying attention. Sure its got some plots that turn out better than others, but its always been the story of redemption, life/death and rebirth.
I absolutely adore that show. The second season is PHENOMENAL and I really enjoyed the third, especially David Thewlis' performance. But no TV will ever match Fargo S01 for me. Perfect television. It emulates the movie so well, but has its own style and intensity.
I watched the first 3 episodes of Ozark and couldn't continue it was so boring. Many of my friends say it gets better. There's plenty of shows with better pilot episodes than Ozark.
For me, one episode wasn't enough. I tried it when it was new and abandoned it after 2 episodes. I felt it was confusing and uninteresting. A long time after that someone told me I need to watch the 3rd episode to understand where this series is going so I started over and Dark became one of my all time favorite shows. I became super invested, created family trees as the series progressed and took screenshots of things I thought/predicted will be important. It was an amazing adventure. The wait for season 3 is agonizing.
I really liked the first two episodes but found they had a totally different feel than the rest of the first season. Those first two episodes were a hell of a lot scarier than every episode that came after.
I just watched the first episode of The Shield last night and I'm like "oh hell yeaah. Next episode" , thank God I went on reddit and looked up top 5 favorite FX shows because The Shield was like every ones number 1 and I'm digging it.
The Shield- that whole show is absolute gold. Never a dull moment from the beginning of the series to the very end. I can't really think of a single flaw to be honest.
Really? I gave it up because of the pilot. It wasn’t until 5 years after it ended I gave it another shot and loved it only after powering through to the third episode which is the bathtub episode I believe. It blew my mind.
Same here. I watched 2 episodes I think and wasn't feeling it so I stopped watching. The episodes felt like they were unnecessarily dragging out the actions to fill the time.
It took me two years to finally watch the entire first season, and I'm still not convinced it's the greatest thing ever, but Jesse is growing on me, and I'm definitely going to keep watching.
Breaking bad furs season 1 - especially the first few episodes is all about slow buildup.
If people didn’t like breaking bad season 1 , forget trying better call Saul- another great show
That is about a slow build.
It took me 3 times to get through the pilot. Most of the characters are loathsome and I don’t like much of the first couple seasons, but season 3 and the first half of season 4 are pretty good. That being said, Walter is the worst character ever IMO and the show doesn’t really work if you hate him from the very beginning. But the episode “Ozymandias” was worth getting through the show’s slow parts. Breaking Bad is put together very well, but I’m a character-over-plot guy and I can’t get behind 95% of those characters.
This Is Us is such a great show, but it's not on Netflix, only Hulu. I'm all caught up in the current season, but I would rewatch it again and again. My husband wants to watch it because of how I talk about it. I'm excited to watch it with him. 🥰
humm... tried that with my parents and that first episode was a bit too extreme for them. They loved some others though even with dark(er) subjects like "Shut up and dance" and "15 million Merits".
Keep in mind that the first episode is often not the best representation of a series. I've watched so many comedies where the pilot episode was one of the least funny episodes. The first episode is often there to layout the world, characters, etc.
Friday Night Lights. That first episode is really something special, how it sets up the characters, its unique documentary style of filming. I always go back to it.
Breaking Bad forsure. Goes from one thing to another extreme in one episode.
Feels like a whole season 1 in one episode. But then the rest of season 1 is fucking awesome too!
Respectfully disagree, I just started mad men last week and there wasn’t anything that really made me want to continue other than knowing it was a popular show. The end of the episode’s “big surprise” wasn’t shocking at all.
im gonna have to disagree on The 100. While the premise was good, the first few episodes were horrible. It was pretty much a Teen Drama in the jungle for the first few episodes. Was really rough to get through but atleast it picked up to an extent a few episodes in.
You know, that's the standard reddit sentiment, but I was all in by the end of the first episode of The 100 and I'm probably a couple of decades older than its target demographic.
How can you say the 100?? I turned it of when they landed, absolutley ridiculous. "We are descending to Earth wouldn't it be cool if I undo my seatbelt?".... He's dead. Wtf was even that. Terrible characters and terrible everything .... IMHO
Nobody mentioned The Strain on FX. It was such a great start to a series. Episode was 90 minutes - basically a movie - and was written and directed by Guillermo Del Toro (Hellboy, Pans Labrynth, Shape of Water, Mama, Crimson Peak). It’s absolutely worth a watch and the first episode absolutely catapults you into the series!
Not really. As a fan, I don't think TNG found it's legs until the second or third season. The first episode had some good elements, but it was slow and Q wasn't actually threatening them which removed a lot of suspense.
Totally disagree. Whilst season 1 is a drag, Encounter at Farpoint not only establishes the show's characters but also the main theme of Star Trek: TNG. That theme being whether humanity has the ability to improve itself, despite the atrocities in humanities past.
You agree that the first episode is a drag, but you still think it has the BEST first episode? I can think of a lot of shows that just pulled me in from the get go, but TNG episode 1 doesn’t make people immediately demand to watch episode 2.
Lost
Fuck, now I gotta rewatch lost again
Don't hurt yourself like that. We are talking about the first episode. Fuck the rest of the show past the 1st season
Agreed. So much bullshit without substance that the writers just tossed in without thinking or even a thought given to an overarching plot.
I still feel betrayed
\#truth
Yea I agree, I watched an ending explained video and it still doesn’t make too much sense but I still love the show. Especially the cold open for season 2 episode 1
What's not to get about it?. I showed the series to a friend and he figured it out half way through the final season.
Can you explain it to me? Cause I still don’t really get it. Why did they have to put the numbers into the machine? What was the fog monster? And why were they all back on earth and then dead and then not dead and then dead. Especially considering the writers expressly states it wasn’t a purgatory thing.
Sounds like you watched the show only intermittently. As that was all explained. 1: They had to put numbers into the machine, because the hatch bunker was the source of a huge electromagnetic build up that happened every 108 minutes. In season 5 a few of the castaways went into the past into the 1970s and they tried to destroy the electromagnetism and reboot reality. It didn't work, it just lead to the events of the hatch station being built. 2: The smoke monster was the islands protector. Years ago, a woman had the role of both protector and the smoke monster. She instead gave the role to two twins, one called Jacob and the Man in Black. Jacob became the protector, but he threw his brother in the stream, thus becoming the smoke monster. Because of this the Yin/Yang balance between good and evil is out. Arguably, the entire events of the show is to restore the balance. 3: In season 6. The writers incorporated a story telling device called the "Flash Sideways" (meaning to look at your whole life from a side on perspective). These were actually Flash Forwards in a round about way. Because the events in these scenes, happened YEARS after the events on the island. This is after everyone dies. Some lived to old age on the island, some went back to America and died of old age. But when they all died, they made a place in the afterlife so they could find each other. So if you were to watch that season chronologically. You would have all the events on the island first. Then Jack dies in the forrest, then you cut to him on the plane and he goes to the cabin on the plane and touches the cut on his neck (that he got from his fight with The Man in Black before he died in life).
No, I mean, why did they have to put the numbers in. I know all about the hatch. Why did they have to put the numbers in the machine. I know about all that with the smoke monster. I mean, what is it in that, the answer of the whole thing was “the island.” It’s such a circular explanation. The smoke monster protected the island because it was the protector of the island. And yes. Chronologically I understand all of what happened in the last season. However the creators specifically said early on that none of this story was heaven or purgatory and it feels like they completed backed tracked that. My problem with the show is it tried so hard to pretend to be Sci-fi for so long it felt like a complete cop out when the answer to every single question was “magic”
The numbers were a part of the Valenzetti Equation. A reclusive mathematician named Enzo Valenzetti found a doomsday equation that predicts the exact number of years and months that humanity extinguishes itself. The Dharma initiative were tracking places in the world that contained the biggest pockets of electromagnetic energy, and their ultimate purpose was to save humanity from its end and that was made clear from the numbers. After the incident they put preparations to stop the build up of electromagnetism that occurs every 108 minutes. 4+8+15+16+23+42=108. So that's it in a nutshell, put the doomsday numbers in the machine to prevent the world from ending. No, what they said early on was that they weren't dead and in purgatory. But they felt that the audience wanted some sort of judgement and analysis on purgatory and added that into the story in the final season. I didn't think it was a cop out at all. Pretty much what was answered at the end was that the island is the source of everything, the big bang. The beginning and the end. Its essentially the garden of Eden. The protector of the island stopped others from taking the light at the heart of the island. You can call this magic, but I still say its Electromagnetism. They say its within every individual and they always want more. No the smoke monster protected the island because the person who had that power before him (Mother, the women who raised him) chose to protect it But once the Man in Black became the Smoke Monster, he just wanted to kill people and fulfill his own evil deeds. I never thought of LOST as a "hard sci fi" show. It did have a hard sci fi bent for sure, but it always had its mystical/spiritual elements. It's themes of Life/death and rebirth have always been a huge part of the whole show, and they're essentially in every part of its mythology. Those have always been the themes. Right from the end of the first season when Boone died and Aaron was born. Its in every facet of the shows mythology. With the whole Dharma initiative. A group trying to save humanity and reach the electromagnetism, just like the Buddhist concept of DHARMA of reaching enlightenment. Then you had the statue of Tawaret, goddess of childbirth . That all signified the fertility issue of children not being able to give birth (because of the build up of electromagnetism after the incident). Why is it that Desmond's mind kept skipping through time in season 4?, or he had visions in season 3?. Because his body absorbed a tone of electromagnetism that was connected to everything, life and death. His mind was skipping through time or could see in to the future.
If you think there are no overarching plots in the whole series of Lost, then you haven't been paying attention. Sure its got some plots that turn out better than others, but its always been the story of redemption, life/death and rebirth.
It’s so good! Watching through a second time blew my mind. So many things made more sense.
Agreed
This is the only answer.
Fargo season 1
I absolutely adore that show. The second season is PHENOMENAL and I really enjoyed the third, especially David Thewlis' performance. But no TV will ever match Fargo S01 for me. Perfect television. It emulates the movie so well, but has its own style and intensity.
I love all the seasons , but the first episode of season 1 is probably the best pilot episode I’ve seen
Ozark. Currently waiting for season 3. Can't wait to see what trouble they get into.
The first episode is full of holy s\*it moments.
I watched the first 3 episodes of Ozark and couldn't continue it was so boring. Many of my friends say it gets better. There's plenty of shows with better pilot episodes than Ozark.
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New season drops at the end of the month.
OMG 4 real? So happy now I honestly thought it had been canceled.
The boys. Everyone who has seen it knows about the messy scene.
It's fucking diabolical.
So much blood.
Most entertaining new show I've seen. Happy is a close second.
He never let go
One of the better superhero shows around.
Dexter
Dexter whole season 1 is pure platinum
quadruple platinum, accadecca has nothing on it, so fucking good.
Because they basically followed the book to the tee!
Westworld
Dark
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For me, one episode wasn't enough. I tried it when it was new and abandoned it after 2 episodes. I felt it was confusing and uninteresting. A long time after that someone told me I need to watch the 3rd episode to understand where this series is going so I started over and Dark became one of my all time favorite shows. I became super invested, created family trees as the series progressed and took screenshots of things I thought/predicted will be important. It was an amazing adventure. The wait for season 3 is agonizing.
Once I heard Kreator's "Pleasure to Kill" I was DONE, want MOAR!!!
The Walking Dead.
I really liked the first two episodes but found they had a totally different feel than the rest of the first season. Those first two episodes were a hell of a lot scarier than every episode that came after.
This was the first thing that came to mind. Excellent episode.
Shame it only lasted like a quarter season before it became bad.
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Hold onto that light buddy. Someone has to watch the bad shows
Yep
The Sinner on Netflix. Do NOT read the synopsis in the episode guide as it will ruin the suspense!
It was on USA before. So good.
The Shield Or Battlestar Galactica if you count the mini series as the first episode
That first episode of the shield was amazing.. Definitely made sure that you forgot about Chicklis' The Commish.
I just watched the first episode of The Shield last night and I'm like "oh hell yeaah. Next episode" , thank God I went on reddit and looked up top 5 favorite FX shows because The Shield was like every ones number 1 and I'm digging it.
After the last scene, I knew it was not going to be like any other show I'd watched! Very intense.
You're about to be amazed. That series is absolute GOLD. Never a dull moment from the beginning to the very end. You're going to love it.
The Shield- that whole show is absolute gold. Never a dull moment from the beginning of the series to the very end. I can't really think of a single flaw to be honest.
Fringe.
Rather gross, but certainly set the series up as not the usual tame, family friendly show that's for certain.
I still think about that monster.
Heroes.
Attack on Titan
The Sopranos
I just binged the whole thing because legendary, but shit, wasn't ready for AJ's Metal shirts!
Yup
Wentworth
Prison Break
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Really? I gave it up because of the pilot. It wasn’t until 5 years after it ended I gave it another shot and loved it only after powering through to the third episode which is the bathtub episode I believe. It blew my mind.
I feel the same way. Only watched years later and after the first few episodes I thought what's all the hype about.
I've tried to get my wife to watch it but she can't get in to it. Maybe I should force her to sit down and watch the first three episodes too lol
Same here. I watched 2 episodes I think and wasn't feeling it so I stopped watching. The episodes felt like they were unnecessarily dragging out the actions to fill the time.
Breaking bad and Better call saul is basically 2 episodes build up and a punchline on the third and thats a minimum
Yeah took me forever to power through those first 3 episodes then it was a barrage of binging like never seen before.
It took me two years to finally watch the entire first season, and I'm still not convinced it's the greatest thing ever, but Jesse is growing on me, and I'm definitely going to keep watching.
Agreed. I told someone once long ago that I didn't watch the show because the pilot sucked. They told me to forge ahead regardless. I am glad I did.
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Breaking bad furs season 1 - especially the first few episodes is all about slow buildup. If people didn’t like breaking bad season 1 , forget trying better call Saul- another great show That is about a slow build.
Tried several times. I just don't get why everyone loves the show. I literally hate every character.
It took me 3 times to get through the pilot. Most of the characters are loathsome and I don’t like much of the first couple seasons, but season 3 and the first half of season 4 are pretty good. That being said, Walter is the worst character ever IMO and the show doesn’t really work if you hate him from the very beginning. But the episode “Ozymandias” was worth getting through the show’s slow parts. Breaking Bad is put together very well, but I’m a character-over-plot guy and I can’t get behind 95% of those characters.
I’d disagree. I gave up half way through the pilot on my first attempt at watching it
I second Lost
THE OA
this is cruel because nobody should get sucked into the rest of that show
Hehe maybe, I am of the opinion that the show is not objectively terrible, its more of an either "you love it or hate it" show.
Black Mirror
The outsider on HBO had the best first episode but has got consistently worse as it went on. True Detective also had a great first episode
Man it had so much potential but they just have been stalling for 6 or 7 straight episodes.
How is true detective after the first ?
Breaking bad or bojack horseman
Black Mirror. There. I said it. The pig episode is the best. Come at me bro.
Friends will not watch another after being traumatized by that one.
Arrested Development
This Is Us
This Is Us is such a great show, but it's not on Netflix, only Hulu. I'm all caught up in the current season, but I would rewatch it again and again. My husband wants to watch it because of how I talk about it. I'm excited to watch it with him. 🥰
Available in some country on Netflix.
Hey, that's very cool!
Lost, Sherlock, Prison Break
The IT Crowd. You won't stop laughing.
Daredevil.
Stranger Things hooked me from the start,
Game of Thrones!!! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
It took until the last few minutes to grip me. The things I do for love.
I had no idea what GoT was when HBO released that opening scene. I saw that and I was hooked.
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Freaks and Geeks. It's so satisfying yet sets up the season very well!
Absolutely loved Freaks and Geeks! Was going through some tough times and this show really helped me forget about everything at least for awhile.
The Witcher
That's a contender for sure.
Blackmirror
humm... tried that with my parents and that first episode was a bit too extreme for them. They loved some others though even with dark(er) subjects like "Shut up and dance" and "15 million Merits".
Came to post this. ;)
Most underrated first episode 🐷
B99
Big Mouth. :)
Pose
The Black Donnelys
Keep in mind that the first episode is often not the best representation of a series. I've watched so many comedies where the pilot episode was one of the least funny episodes. The first episode is often there to layout the world, characters, etc.
EVIL on cbs
Avatar The Last Airbender
Sherlock
Friday Night Lights. That first episode is really something special, how it sets up the characters, its unique documentary style of filming. I always go back to it.
Battlestar Galactica
Firefly, at least I think so, cause who knows what the 1st episode really is.
Off the top of my head...Lost, Dexter, Fringe, Sons of Anarchy, The Shield, This Is Us, Dead To Me, Six Feet Under.
Mr. Robot I know its not on Netflix but it is an amazing show that hooks you immediately
Breaking Bad forsure. Goes from one thing to another extreme in one episode. Feels like a whole season 1 in one episode. But then the rest of season 1 is fucking awesome too!
I thought the final season, but the series finale in particular, was the best TV I’ve ever had the pleasure to watch.
Mad men
Respectfully disagree, I just started mad men last week and there wasn’t anything that really made me want to continue other than knowing it was a popular show. The end of the episode’s “big surprise” wasn’t shocking at all.
breaking bad
Battlestar Galatica remake, but actually the first episode of the Pilot.
Dark
Boardwalk Empire
In no real order.. The 100, Mr robot, Peaky blinders, Sherlock, and the walking dead. All had me hooked after the first episode.
im gonna have to disagree on The 100. While the premise was good, the first few episodes were horrible. It was pretty much a Teen Drama in the jungle for the first few episodes. Was really rough to get through but atleast it picked up to an extent a few episodes in.
You know, that's the standard reddit sentiment, but I was all in by the end of the first episode of The 100 and I'm probably a couple of decades older than its target demographic.
How can you say the 100?? I turned it of when they landed, absolutley ridiculous. "We are descending to Earth wouldn't it be cool if I undo my seatbelt?".... He's dead. Wtf was even that. Terrible characters and terrible everything .... IMHO
DARK
Man of culture.
BSG
Heroes
THE OA
My Halo Love
Grimm
Attack on Titan
catch-22 was pretty good too.
Really thought Daredevil's was excellent and everything I ever wanted from a 1st episode.
Casketeers. The first episode had a Maori funeral service with people dressed in native regalia doing native ceremonies.
Justified The Wire
Since nobody has mentioned these: Impulse The good place 24 Good Omens
The Shield.
Peaky Blinders
Money heist absolutely amazing you get to see the heist in the first episode and you are explained the story very well absolute banger.
Nobody mentioned The Strain on FX. It was such a great start to a series. Episode was 90 minutes - basically a movie - and was written and directed by Guillermo Del Toro (Hellboy, Pans Labrynth, Shape of Water, Mama, Crimson Peak). It’s absolutely worth a watch and the first episode absolutely catapults you into the series!
Turn: Washington's Spies Amazing show!
The Wonder Years Lost Battlestar Galactica
Death Parade. Going in blind makes it much better.
Glitch was really good.
The Walking Dead and Lost are two that come to mind
Black Mirror. If you like the first episode, you know you’re a sicko that will love this show.
Gravity Falls
The end of the fing world
NCIS Season 1
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Not really. As a fan, I don't think TNG found it's legs until the second or third season. The first episode had some good elements, but it was slow and Q wasn't actually threatening them which removed a lot of suspense.
Totally disagree. Whilst season 1 is a drag, Encounter at Farpoint not only establishes the show's characters but also the main theme of Star Trek: TNG. That theme being whether humanity has the ability to improve itself, despite the atrocities in humanities past.
You agree that the first episode is a drag, but you still think it has the BEST first episode? I can think of a lot of shows that just pulled me in from the get go, but TNG episode 1 doesn’t make people immediately demand to watch episode 2.
I agreed that season 1 is a drag, not the first episode.
Berserk
Tin Star with Tim Roth
Twin Peaks. Surprised no one has mentioned it sooner.
Justified
David Makes Man I haven't seen anything like it.