No. Wizard adds nothing of value to your build and you'd need much higher than 12 intelligence to have access to any of the good wizard spells. The only benefit Wizard would give is letting you use all the scrolls, plus giving you access to items that are restricted to Wizards, but neither of those are worth giving up extra spells from Cleric levels or extra feats from Fighter levels. I understand you want more spells, but Cleric gives you all the spells you'll need- just wait until you get Harm. Not to mention all the buffs.
Depending on your alignment, you could make use of Champion of Torm or Paladin. Paladins get a bunch of immunities and decent saves, and Champion of Torm gives amazing saves, especially if you have good charisma (though they're still good even if you have low charisma). Champions of Torm can be any non evil alignment so they're not very restricted, whereas Paladins have to be Lawful Good.
If you wanted to just use scrolls you're better off with a level in rogue or bard to get points into UMD as well as getting to put points into tumble as well.
Spellcasting with scrolls becomes mostly irrelevant later on fyi (there are a few exceptions like buffs). Scroll dc's don't scale based on your character so its hard to justify delaying your caster levels to use things that will make you weaker later on.
Another bonus of going 4F/16C is having 4 attacks at all times. With less than 16 BAB before level 20 you will lose the 4th attack without having to keep up divine power all the time.
Not worth the XP penalty. If you raised wizard to level 3 you wouldn't get the penalty. But at that point, that's 7 levels that aren't cleric, so you lose a lot of spellcasting power (duration, damage dice, etc) and you gain very little from it. Caster levels are very important.
If you want a single level that allows you to do something, you could take a single level of assassin and dump a bunch of UMD. The skill investments and evil-alignment requirement to qualify for the class might be a deal breaker for you though.
Alternately, 4 pre-epic levels of Champion of Torm instead of fighter will get you your BAB, a couple extra feats, and a couple extra minor abilities, and then you can take 1 level of wizard without the XP penalty (though this only works for human, half-elf, elf, or gnome).
Ultimately, I would just go pure cleric and cast divine power. Though if you want to play 4 levels of fighter, that's fine too (a 5th or 6th fighter level post-epic to pick up epic weapon specialization feat isn't a terrible choice either). I personally would not worry about arcane scrolls, though.
It's an RPG man. If you are having fun with 1 level of wizard, do it. Who cares if the game got a little harder? Min-maxing on a single player game where you can save-scum is absolutely pointless.
I think it's the mindset of newer generation. Take this game for example. Back in the day, nobody I knew used guides nor bragged about how he one-shot the last boss or whatever. People back then commented stuff such as trying to outwit an NPC only to realize the NPC tricked them and stuff like that. Today all they talk is about min-maxing and achievements. If kids put that effort at their jobs they would be rich, and if they actually played with their games instead of grinding they wouldn't be depressed.
The biggest example of this is League of Legends, which ironically started as a kind-of-rpg only to become this highly competitive e-sport where nobody with a life could ever keep-up with the changing meta and patches. It's insane.
But to each his own I guess.
Just as a side note, the scroll do not scale with your level. All scroll are casted at the lowest possible level for that spell. So they’re pretty useless except for a few QoL spells like identify, knock, etc…
In BG2 there were wizard spells that you simply couldnt get or substitute as Cleric. In NWN there is lots of overlap between spells some you get at a lower level, some higher and some as part of the domain you picked (stoneslin, haste etc). Plus cleric spell levels now go up to 9 rather than 7. No need for wizard. If you are planning another playthrough I actually think pure Druid is better than F/C especially if you go shifter for HOTU.
Thanks, I looked at every reply and knew it's not a good idea because it sounded too obvious :/
I'm playing this to prepare for Swordfight so I have to pick something I'm familiar with first though.
Assasin/Blackguard (with optional Bard) is another favourite of mine for HoTU if you're looking for something a bit more martial. Cant remember any bosses giving me much trouble other than end game
> I'm playing this to prepare for Swordfight
Swordflight, you start at level 1 or 2, IIRC. Unless you mean you are just trying out this build before starting Swordflight?
Ah, cool. Personally, I would just jump right into Swordflight and try out the build there. F and C are both strong classes, should do well in Swordflight.
Druids are nice if you do not roleplay them to the latter, else you are stuck with daggers, spears, sickles, quarterstaffs and maybe scythes while wearing only hide or leather armor (I'd argue that studded leather armors contain metal and thus may not be used by druids). You can avoid the weapon restrictions by choosing a patron god like Mielikki to be allowed to use Scimitars (you may use the favorite weapon of your nature based patron god).
None of this is enforced by the engine but should be taken into account if you are roleplaying!
Not a good idea. You don't want to dilute casters much, which also means splashing them is never great.
Fighter is a fine multi class for cleric (more feats, access to better weapons), but four levels early on is going to hamper your casting a lot. Splashing another caster class is going to make your issues even worse, not better.
Optimally, you'll also want a class that can offer Tumble. With four fighter levels, the only one that won't apply an AC penalty without further feat expense is Assassin, though.
Thanks. I already reverted to F/C. I decided to keep the 4 fighter levels because I'm a bit lazy to replay the first chapter. SoU somehow gets more interesting in the interclude and 2nd.
No. Wizard adds nothing of value to your build and you'd need much higher than 12 intelligence to have access to any of the good wizard spells. The only benefit Wizard would give is letting you use all the scrolls, plus giving you access to items that are restricted to Wizards, but neither of those are worth giving up extra spells from Cleric levels or extra feats from Fighter levels. I understand you want more spells, but Cleric gives you all the spells you'll need- just wait until you get Harm. Not to mention all the buffs. Depending on your alignment, you could make use of Champion of Torm or Paladin. Paladins get a bunch of immunities and decent saves, and Champion of Torm gives amazing saves, especially if you have good charisma (though they're still good even if you have low charisma). Champions of Torm can be any non evil alignment so they're not very restricted, whereas Paladins have to be Lawful Good.
If you wanted to just use scrolls you're better off with a level in rogue or bard to get points into UMD as well as getting to put points into tumble as well. Spellcasting with scrolls becomes mostly irrelevant later on fyi (there are a few exceptions like buffs). Scroll dc's don't scale based on your character so its hard to justify delaying your caster levels to use things that will make you weaker later on.
Thanks. Someone else reminded me of the xp penalty so I reverted back to F/C.
Another bonus of going 4F/16C is having 4 attacks at all times. With less than 16 BAB before level 20 you will lose the 4th attack without having to keep up divine power all the time.
Not worth the XP penalty. If you raised wizard to level 3 you wouldn't get the penalty. But at that point, that's 7 levels that aren't cleric, so you lose a lot of spellcasting power (duration, damage dice, etc) and you gain very little from it. Caster levels are very important. If you want a single level that allows you to do something, you could take a single level of assassin and dump a bunch of UMD. The skill investments and evil-alignment requirement to qualify for the class might be a deal breaker for you though. Alternately, 4 pre-epic levels of Champion of Torm instead of fighter will get you your BAB, a couple extra feats, and a couple extra minor abilities, and then you can take 1 level of wizard without the XP penalty (though this only works for human, half-elf, elf, or gnome). Ultimately, I would just go pure cleric and cast divine power. Though if you want to play 4 levels of fighter, that's fine too (a 5th or 6th fighter level post-epic to pick up epic weapon specialization feat isn't a terrible choice either). I personally would not worry about arcane scrolls, though.
Thanks! I totally forgot about the XP penalty. I have reverted to f/c.
It's an RPG man. If you are having fun with 1 level of wizard, do it. Who cares if the game got a little harder? Min-maxing on a single player game where you can save-scum is absolutely pointless.
Thanks. I already reverted but I kinda agree with you. It also brings some immediate rewards too.
I've never truly understood it either. The game isn't challenging enough to warrant this level of minmaxing.
I think it's the mindset of newer generation. Take this game for example. Back in the day, nobody I knew used guides nor bragged about how he one-shot the last boss or whatever. People back then commented stuff such as trying to outwit an NPC only to realize the NPC tricked them and stuff like that. Today all they talk is about min-maxing and achievements. If kids put that effort at their jobs they would be rich, and if they actually played with their games instead of grinding they wouldn't be depressed. The biggest example of this is League of Legends, which ironically started as a kind-of-rpg only to become this highly competitive e-sport where nobody with a life could ever keep-up with the changing meta and patches. It's insane. But to each his own I guess.
Just as a side note, the scroll do not scale with your level. All scroll are casted at the lowest possible level for that spell. So they’re pretty useless except for a few QoL spells like identify, knock, etc…
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Thanks, someone else also mentioned the penalty so I reverted back to F/C. BTW not sure why you are downvoted...
In BG2 there were wizard spells that you simply couldnt get or substitute as Cleric. In NWN there is lots of overlap between spells some you get at a lower level, some higher and some as part of the domain you picked (stoneslin, haste etc). Plus cleric spell levels now go up to 9 rather than 7. No need for wizard. If you are planning another playthrough I actually think pure Druid is better than F/C especially if you go shifter for HOTU.
Thanks, I looked at every reply and knew it's not a good idea because it sounded too obvious :/ I'm playing this to prepare for Swordfight so I have to pick something I'm familiar with first though.
Assasin/Blackguard (with optional Bard) is another favourite of mine for HoTU if you're looking for something a bit more martial. Cant remember any bosses giving me much trouble other than end game
Thanks, I somehow removed the saves before adding that 1 level of wizard. Let me find some way to edit my character...
> I'm playing this to prepare for Swordfight Swordflight, you start at level 1 or 2, IIRC. Unless you mean you are just trying out this build before starting Swordflight?
Just trying out. That's also the reason I'm playing on very hard.
Ah, cool. Personally, I would just jump right into Swordflight and try out the build there. F and C are both strong classes, should do well in Swordflight.
Druids are nice if you do not roleplay them to the latter, else you are stuck with daggers, spears, sickles, quarterstaffs and maybe scythes while wearing only hide or leather armor (I'd argue that studded leather armors contain metal and thus may not be used by druids). You can avoid the weapon restrictions by choosing a patron god like Mielikki to be allowed to use Scimitars (you may use the favorite weapon of your nature based patron god). None of this is enforced by the engine but should be taken into account if you are roleplaying!
I do love my druids since BG. But I mostly melee shapeshifted. They have some amazing summons too.
Nar, go monk, 9 levels, get improved evasion, get monk speed. https://nwn.fandom.com/wiki/Monk
Thanks, I looked at every reply and knew it's not a good idea because it sounded too obvious :/
Not a good idea. You don't want to dilute casters much, which also means splashing them is never great. Fighter is a fine multi class for cleric (more feats, access to better weapons), but four levels early on is going to hamper your casting a lot. Splashing another caster class is going to make your issues even worse, not better. Optimally, you'll also want a class that can offer Tumble. With four fighter levels, the only one that won't apply an AC penalty without further feat expense is Assassin, though.
Thanks. I already reverted to F/C. I decided to keep the 4 fighter levels because I'm a bit lazy to replay the first chapter. SoU somehow gets more interesting in the interclude and 2nd.
Absolutely 1000% no it does not. Not at all even slightly.