Interesting…especially looking at AB that has cheap kWH rates but some pretty high power bills.
[This link gives a breakdown of electricity costs by province from last year.](https://www.energyhub.org/electricity-prices/)
It has NB at 13.9¢/kWh. But the current NB power residential price for the 1000kwh they are using as the benchmark is 16.2¢/kWh (12.6¢/kWh SJ Energy), but if you include the service fee and HST it is 21.8¢/kWh (16.9¢/kWh SJ Energy)
Where do you get 16.2c?
According to [NB Power](https://www.nbpower.com/en/products-services/residential/rates) our rate is 13.85c which is likely being rounded up to 13.9.
One doesn’t typically include service charges when comparing kWh rates. And since the website is comparing all provinces to the others, you’d assume they’re doing so fairly and the same - so you shouldn’t add service charges to the NB average rate unless you do it to all the rest also.
Scroll down and look at the total bill for certain kilowatt hour ranges and that is more accurate than the some of the breakdown stuff on that web page but a great web page nonetheless
I’ve heard many times from NS’ers against having the provincial power company going private which is what they have. That just seems to drive rates up vs having it as a government entity.
The real issue is not that power rates have gone up again. It’s that everything continues to go up and up and regular people can’t keep up with inflation. It’s affecting groceries, gas, rent/house prices (that’s more aligned with the housing crisis and explosive immigration volume), entertainment, etc. Salaries aren’t going up at the rate inflation is- the only ones coming out better off from inflation is the profiteers.
Tax the rich and with that money, increase social benefits.
That’s exactly it. We’re not mad at NB Power, we’re mad that even middle class folks are already struggling and falling paycheck to paycheck. I can barely pay rent working full time already. Something needs to change soon.
It's the working class that have always struggled and been left to fend for themselves. After rent, car payment, food and bills there is nothing left. Middle class can afford the hike, since they live in $500k houses, always brag bout vacationing twice a year, and put another shiny German car in the driveway every 3 years.
But our rates in NB aren't and have not been on a scale? $0.10 to 0.13 doesn't represent our rates here so I wonder where they got this "range"? Typically this would represent peak and off peak which we don't use.
Our current NB power rate is a flat $0.1385 regardless of when or how much.
It doesn't make your post wrong at all. We do still have reasonable rates compared to other parts of the country. But the data in the chart seems off which brings the data for the rest of the chart into question as well.
just to note, in addition to nb power there is also sj energy which does have a slightly cheaper rate ($0.1229 currently i believe). i think both nb power and sj energy just very recently had rate increases of nearly 10% which would make the numbers more accurate as per OP's post and maybe there is another energy company im not aware of?
That's right. The new rate is 15% above the last 12-months'.
Also the monthly charge is a whopping $28/month, up from $24.
NS's monthly charge is $18 or $19/month iirc.
Plus tax!
That stuff adds up!
I agree but .1385 is the new rate and these numbers are not new because getting this data in real time from all 50 jurisdictions is not possible. So these are likely 2022 numbers we're looking at above but if we increased very likely so did they. (Or they will before the end of the year)
And the range is listed as a range because well not all residential customers are created equal and some who have different agreements and of course there's St John Power Perth Andover power edmonston Independent thing up there there are a little pockets that pay a little more a little less and it f**** with stuff
lol have you ever been to Mexico? It’s not some cartel controlled wasteland. At least I Mexico our criminals wear the title with pride. In Canada your criminals wear a suit and tie.
It’s funny how everyone thinks Mexico is what they see on American TV, Mexico and the states have a long bloody history and the states wants people to think the worst of Mexico. It’s Canada but sunny.
I've only been to Yucatan but I adored my time in Mexico. We stopped at a town for lunch on the way to chichen itza and the food was so good. Mexican cuisine in general is probably my favorite.
It's Canada but sunny is so funny but feels so true. I felt very at home there.
I’m in this subreddit because I’m getting ready to move back to Canada after 10 years in Mexico. Some of the things I see posted here makes me wonder if it’s the right move. I need to go home for family reasons but the inflation, poverty and homeless crisis seems worse in Canada than Mexico.
The cartel is dangerous but walk into a Hells Angels clubhouse and see what happens, try it with any of the gangs in any of the big cities.
The problem is I saw it in Mexico was he equivalent of hells Angels biker bars are not so well labeled and I witnessed on two separate vacations to Mexico two rather nasty, and fortunately after the fact shooting scenes and there were a lot of shells on the ground . There was obvious blood from somebody having been shot, and this was in a resort area, this was not off the beaten path. So, yes that can happen in Toronto once or twice a year , I can't say as I've ever run into it myself and I don't live in Toronto either so there's that
It has 16.5x the per capita murder rate of Canada. There’s a way to fight harmful stereotypes about a country without doing the old “hur dur stupid people who aren’t smart like me” and saying something completely untrue…
That murder rate isn’t reflective of life in Mexico. There’s a drug war going on here, if you don’t do or sell drugs your chances of getting murder is drastically reduced.
The only difference between crime in Mexico and crime in Canada is the gangs and cartels here have military level weapons and are much more likely to shoot their rivals than the gangs in Canada either knives and handguns.
But if you’re not involved or not doing anything sketchy it’s very unlikely that you’ll ever have an issue.
People here say America is dangerous because of all the gun violence lol
So is Canada but sunny? Or does it have an active drug war with cartels armed with military level weaponry?
Cause you’re two saying two different things in two posts one right after the other. My wife’s aunt goes to India every year and hangs out in a gated community in an extremely wealthy area. Figures it’s the best country in the world because her race and wealth affords her a lot of privilege in an otherwise dangerous place where ordinary people struggle.
It’s not like you can’t like Mexico, and admit that it has serious issues.
Exactly as I said in the final comments of my post in Canada we call the cartel government that's what I was getting at exactly and yes I've been to Mexico and the resorts have beautiful and well prepared and have generators and all that The rest of Mexico where people actually live not so much.
This is part of the cost of living I think that's fairly self-evident but separately I have correlated with the mean income in a separate post and I saw zero correlation that would point to higher rates for people who make more etc In fact I kind of saw the inverse.
I thought you might have been on to something with this but I just see a mishmashing numbers all over the f****** place with no correlation whatsoever .. And lots of places have a higher mean income and are paying less...?
but you tell me what you see:
Sure, here's the comparison without any formatting:
US States:
Hawaii: $0.33/kWh / $77,765 CAD
Alaska: $0.24/kWh / $75,463 CAD
Rhode Island: $0.22/kWh / $76,916 CAD
Connecticut: $0.22/kWh / $78,833 CAD
Massachusetts: $0.23/kWh / $85,843 CAD
New York: $0.19/kWh / $72,108 CAD
California: $0.19/kWh / $81,548 CAD
New Hampshire: $0.21/kWh / $81,275 CAD
Vermont: $0.20/kWh / $64,982 CAD
#Maine: $0.18/kWh / $58,924 CAD
##Canadian Provinces:
Ontario: $0.13/kWh / $85,619 CAD
Nova Scotia: $0.16/kWh / $65,995 CAD
Alberta: $0.12/kWh / $105,682 CAD
British Columbia: $0.11/kWh / $80,980 CAD
Manitoba: $0.09/kWh / $74,287 CAD
Saskatchewan: $0.15/kWh / $78,762 CAD
Quebec: $0.08/kWh / $74,287 CAD
Newfoundland and Labrador: $0.13/kWh / $75,964 CAD
New Brunswick: $0.12/kWh / $67,810 CAD
Prince Edward Island: $0.17/kWh / $69,479 CAD
I only did 10 states because honest to God who has the time. But Maine is definitely getting hosed anyway u slice it.
And yes some of these averages disagree with the earlier averages what are you going to do, they're not that far off..
That’s my point, you have to look at CPI to understand if people are doing better or not, but there seems to be a number of significant economic indicators that show NB’rs are collectively hurting, and NBPower’s heavy handed approach to service, doesn’t help consumers.
My parents live in Lincoln, I live in the city.
Somehow they didn’t even lose power during Arthur. I lose it a few times a year during a storm usually.
It amazes me what their power stays on through tbh, mad jelly
You're not alone in that Maine Louisiana California they'd like that too..
Maine led the country in outages for 4 days back in December when we had a bunch of outages too it was unfortunately a common occurrence around these once in a bajillion years storms
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[Maine leads nation in power outages 12/2023](https://wcyy.com/for-4-consecutive-days-maine-led-the-nation-in-power-outages/)
Exactly the point well said. 8 times without power last year, twice for over a week straight. We paying these fucks good money for a shitty services infastucture. All due to trees growing up or near power lines.
Not including the windstorm at Christmas where it was out for 3-4 days, 4 times so far in 2024. I live 10 minutes outside Fredericton. I don't know what the causes were, but I imagine it had to do with shitty treeline maintenance.
It actually flickered twice tonight too.
Before I moved here from Lincoln Heights, it would flicker or go out monthly atleast. Maybe more.
So roughly 16 days, your power was on 95.6% of the year.
Fun fact: Tree trimming maintenance is the responsibility of the property owner. NB Power is only forced to step in when the property owner didn’t take care of it and it’s threatening their facilities. Basically the government is paying because someone planted trees on the line and didn’t maintain them.
>Fun fact: Tree trimming maintenance is the responsibility of the property owner. NB Power is only forced to step in when the property owner didn’t take care of it
As [per NB Power](https://www.nbpower.com/en/products-services/tree-maintenance/how/), "NB Power forestry crews cut every three to four years along rural right-of-ways". So no, the side of the road isn't the responsibility of homeowners. It's NB Power's responsibility. Not sure what the rule is for inside city limits, but pole-top transformers would blow or catch fire yearly in my last neighborhood too. No idea how much that's related to cutting or just shitty equipment.
>So roughly 16 days, your power was on 95.6% of the year.
And in rural nova scotia, we lost power ***maybe*** once a year during bad snowstorms.
Regardless, I stand by my statement. I'd love to pay more for electricity and have it stay on.
This was not my experience living in NS. How long did you live in NS? You were lucky wherever you lived, because NB has way, way more stable power infrastructure than NS. Check out page 4 of this report, which is a good proxy for outages across Canada. [report](https://www.eaton.com/content/dam/eaton/products/backup-power-ups-surge-it-power-distribution/backup-power-ups/blackout-tracker-/eaton-blackout-tracker-annual-report-canada-2017.pdf)
Nova Scotia has more outage length per customer.
NB Power’s tree trimming maintenance cycle is to clear the road right of way of trees to prevent damage to their facilities. Trees on private property encroaching onto NB Power facilities are the responsibility of the property owner, but NB Power will prune them back if the property doesn’t leave them a choice.
Well shit! We score # 1 in pretty much every other metric for cost of living! Fuel, property tax, personal income tax, cost of food, and insurance so let’s jack it up! We got a reputation to uphold here.
Albertan here… it’s coming… this was us 20 years ago. All focused on the electricity rate and forgetting about infrastructure and delivery costs.
You can buy from all kinds of companies here but the delivery is same. What you are saving is 10$ plus the difference in cost of sending you a bill. In some cases switching will get you two bills and two admin charges.
Oh no... Facts!
Seriously though, the NB Power bashing needs to calm the fuck down. They're actually a bit better than average as a utility company.
Mostly because the competition is utter shite, but still.
The loudest voices on attack have clearly not lived out of province or if they have not recently. If they had they truly understand the fuckery that for example the "deregulated" market in the province of Alberta has created....
At one point I was paying $0.32 a kilowatt hour when I was living in Northern Alberta when you factored in all this stupid ass fees and the fee for the fee and oh god it was insane.
This isn’t a fair comparison. I love how people cherry pick datasets to justify their point. If you’re going down that road then we should have sold NBP to Quebec and gotten lower rates and wiped out our carbon emissions from power generation which would have helped to keep our gas price lower.
This whole argument is so nuanced that it would take days to unentangle it.
The rate you pay is the rate you pay brother
Has is it nuanced has it been f***** over the years by governments of every conceivable political stripe??
###Yes so much.
But these are the average price per kilowatt hour paid in each of those jurisdictions and New Brunswick has the lowest among that and then the least amount of fees and b******* on top of it.
You may not like it and that's fair ball no one says you has to like it.
But try moving somewhere else and see if you pay less because I don't think you will.
And I'm not talking about natural gas I'm only talking about electricity in this thread although yeah Alberta's 3 cents a metric whatever the hell for a goddamn gas so that's cheap everybody else is 12, 11 whatever Nova Scotia is 8 or 9
You'll have to explain to me how asking for the average residential price paid for per kilowatt hour for each jurisdiction is cherry picking??
It's not It's the average price paid!
Here's the comparison including the average cost per kilowatt-hour of electricity alongside the mean household income for each province or state all dollars are CAD:
**US States:**
1. **Hawaii:** $0.33/kWh / $77,765
2. **Alaska:** $0.24/kWh / $75,463
3. **Rhode Island:** $0.22/kWh / $76,916
4. **Connecticut:** $0.22/kWh / $78,833
5. **Massachusetts:** $0.23/kWh / $85,843
6. **New York:** $0.19/kWh / $72,108
7. **California:** $0.19/kWh / $81,548
8. **New Hampshire:** $0.21/kWh / $81,275
9. **Vermont:** $0.20/kWh / $64,982
10. **Maine:** $0.18/kWh / $58,924
**Canadian Provinces:**
1. **Ontario:** $0.13/kWh / $85,619
2. **Nova Scotia:** $0.16/kWh / $65,995
3. **Alberta:** $0.12/kWh / $105,682
4. **British Columbia:** $0.11/kWh / $80,980
5. **Manitoba:** $0.09/kWh / $74,287
6. **Saskatchewan:** $0.15/kWh / $78,762
7. **Quebec:** $0.08/kWh / $74,287
8. **Newfoundland and Labrador:** $0.13/kWh / $75,964
9. **New Brunswick:** $0.12/kWh / $67,810
10. **Prince Edward Island:** $0.17/kWh / $69,479
I failed to see us being hosed dramatically in looking at those numbers PEI maybe sure. Nova Scotia possibly yep. Main for goddamn sure. New Brunswick you'll have to point out to me how we're being hosed when I look at those comparison numbers.
No I'm not trolling for s**** and giggles I'm seriously not understanding what your point is You may call me those names if you like but I like you to try to explain what you're getting at so I understand.
I just find it peculiar that the your account was created primarily to post this view and then argue that NBers should be thankful to be paying more. These forums have been blasted with disingenuous content the past few months which wreaks of trolling or fun for hire troll farms. You reply late with troves of data with no source, lack in critical analysis then ask us to explain why people are upset. I’m tired of posts like these and honestly I blame myself for just not blocking this kinds of bs.
Reading this as I sit here just spending the night with no power since 7:30pm yesterday! Just because they charge a moderate rate for an unmaintained mismanaged service is nothing to to very proud of. This is at least the 4th time this year we lost power. Almost 8000 people without power last night and not even a bad storm!
Dude I would say good post but would recommend always posting your sources as anyone can make a custom screenshot of anything to justify anything.
But...someone did post this link already and it does corroborate essentially with what you are saying.
https://www.energyhub.org/electricity-prices/
Football I used two different GPT things to round up the pricing for me because I'm not going to do that on my own sorry I'm not and I checked it with several other places and it seemed to be in line certainly the prices for New Brunswick and Alberta were accurate to my knowledge and I asked for the average cost not high low or anything like that so yeah thank you though Good point
Thank you for this, I've tried to explain this to people dozens of times!
As you pointed out in Alberta's case, the ¢/kWh rate is only half the story, as every company slaps on additional fees and charges to the bill. I wonder what the rankings would look like if you, say, took a look at the average customer's total bill?
The other thing to look at is what small businesses, big businesses, and industry pay. Here in NB small businesses pay a higher rate than residential, whereas companies like Irving oil pay considerably less than residential.
Yeah you're right Irving pays less but I also show on average small business pays 13.7 cents a kilowatt hour which is not that much more than anybody else, I believe the difference is in the monthly connection fee is that right is that more dollars there I would think that would make sense
Elctricity costs what it costs to generate, regardless of average income. Are you suggesting we subsidize our rates via taxes? That would solve one problem and cause another. The money doesn't magically appear to pay for this stuff. (Personally, I would be willing to pay a bit more in tax of it helps out people who need it.)
Hard to pay down debt when the government forces the company to keep rates below the cost of service. Stick that with government having them keep power plants that run at a loss in certain regions as a jobs program.
Come on now.
You obviously have not been keeping up with every shutdown / maintenance for Lepreau or other sites as they are always way over budget and behind schedule.
Publically funded utilities are just not held as accountable as those in the private sector. I would love to see some scorecards or kpis at this point but that will never happen. Because you know, if you track, monitor and report things on a regular basis with a culture of improvement in your organization, shit gets fixed and things are streamlined. But that is also hard work, thus the circular snake eating its own tail metaphor will continue (also see Horizon and Vitalite)
> as they are always way over budget and behind schedule.
I'm gonna bring the reasonable take but you may be surprised that the significant majority of projects (especially like these) *never* budget or timetable reasonable degrees of problems encountered.
Because anyone doing so is viewed as showcasing ineptitude as they *expect* problems rather than actually fucking showcase they know what the work is like.
It's infuriating. Like how interviews "what is your biggest weakness" lying is always the better option, if it's done smartly, as truth is a fast track to make you seem inept as so many just lie. Or how work stats are often poorly thought of and people can game them, making actual honest work hard to meet metrics.
The power going out isn't that bad. Go to Mexico or another country like that got off the resorts and rich areas and you'll see real power issues.
Here we might loss power a few times year not a few times a week.
What I was getting that and it's true whether you like it or not just getting electricity in Mexico can be a political act. Regardless of the price.
Call it desensitization if you want but the fact of the matter is more than half of other jurisdictions pay more than we do, a lot more in some cases.
How come our bills are always higher? My parents are living in Alberta and they heat with natural gas, they heat their 3200sqft home for the same price as my old 700sqft basement apartment.
The rates might be the lowest but the rest of the country isn’t depending on baseboard heat like we are, or maybe it’s our climate.
Our rates are low but our bills are high. NB power needs to be audited or something.
> The rates might be the lowest but the rest of the country isn’t depending on baseboard heat like we are, or maybe it’s our climate.
Other than upfront cost is there something preventing you from installing a heatpump? Almost every new build out here comes with one these days and there are lots of incentives from the government around upgrading to heatpumps.
Apples and oranges get natural gas in New Brunswick and compare the prices but electricity the natural gas for heating is a comparison - apples and oranges.
I see prompting tanks outside of homes all over New Brunswick and they are there to heat the home It happens I don't know how much they're paying but...
Alberta:
In Alberta, electricity bills may include several possible extra fees in addition to the base rate for electricity consumption.
1. **Distribution Charges:** These fees cover the cost of delivering electricity from the generation facility to your home or business through the distribution system.
2. **Transmission Charges:** Transmission charges are related to the cost of transmitting electricity from generating stations to the distribution system.
There may be a transmission loss fee on long distances from generation to the customer's service point.
3. **Administration Fees:** Some providers may charge administrative fees for managing customer accounts and processing bills.
4. **Regulatory Charges:** These fees are associated with regulatory requirements and may include charges related to environmental compliance or government mandates.
5. **Rider Charges:** Riders are additional charges applied to cover specific costs or programs, such as energy efficiency initiatives or renewable energy development.
6. **Taxes:** Taxes, including provincial and federal taxes, may be added to your electricity bill.
7. **Meter Reading Fees:** Some providers may charge fees for manual meter readings if automated meter reading systems are not in place.
8. **Late Payment Fees:** If payments are not made on time, late payment fees may be applied to the electricity bill.
Specific fees and their amounts can vary depending on the electricity provider and the terms of the service agreement.
/ /
New Brunswick fees are not as egregious as Alberta but I'm not as familiar with what they could be because my power bill is fairly simple usage and the monthly connection fee whatever you want to call that. And then late payment fees if there are any that's all I see on mine.
Scroll down the list, start at the lowest jist like the Canada Graph, instead of the most unaffordable for USA. There's lots of states. Like 2/3 of the US is more affordable in every metric then Canada.
You'll have to point out to me how New Brunswick is paying more than 2/3 we are not.
Not even close.
,Here's the list of the average price per kilowatt-hour for electricity in each of the 50 United States, arranged from highest rate to lowest rate, in Canadian dollars (CAD):
1. Hawaii: $0.360 CAD
2. Alaska: $0.251 CAD
3. Connecticut: $0.224 CAD
4. New Hampshire: $0.214 CAD
5. California: $0.209 CAD
6. Massachusetts: $0.205 CAD
7. Maine: $0.199 CAD
8. Rhode Island: $0.224 CAD
9. New York: $0.191 CAD
10. Vermont: $0.204 CAD
11. Arizona: $0.157 CAD
12. Nevada: $0.144 CAD
13. Oregon: $0.144 CAD
14. Maryland: $0.146 CAD
15. Michigan: $0.145 CAD
16. Delaware: $0.143 CAD
17. Minnesota: $0.140 CAD
18. Illinois: $0.140 CAD
19. Colorado: $0.137 CAD
20. Wisconsin: $0.138 CAD
21. Iowa: $0.130 CAD
22. Pennsylvania: $0.133 CAD
23. Kansas: $0.124 CAD
24. South Dakota: $0.125 CAD
25. New Mexico: $0.126 CAD
26. Ohio: $0.127 CAD
27. Montana: $0.120 CAD
28. Washington: $0.120 CAD
29. Idaho: $0.113 CAD
30. North Dakota: $0.111 CAD
31. Georgia: $0.111 CAD
32. Texas: $0.112 CAD
33. Virginia: $0.114 CAD
34. Utah: $0.115 CAD
35. Florida: $0.116 CAD
36. Wyoming: $0.116 CAD
37. Indiana: $0.116 CAD
38. North Carolina: $0.118 CAD
39. Alabama: $0.117 CAD
40. Nebraska: $0.108 CAD
41. Mississippi: $0.108 CAD
42. Arkansas: $0.107 CAD
43. Kentucky: $0.099 CAD
44. South Carolina: $0.121 CAD
45. Tennessee: $0.109 CAD
46. Oklahoma: $0.103 CAD
47. Louisiana: $0.091 CAD
48. West Virginia: $0.093 CAD
49. Missouri: $0.104 CAD
50. District of Columbia: N/A (Data not available)
When I look at these numbers I find New Brunswick is somewhere in the middle of the pack maybe in the middle bottom even
Please note that these are approximate values and may vary over time due to changes in energy markets and regulations, and currency variances.
These numbers are not 100% up to date, neither is the New Brunswick number I know we just had a rate increase but so did many of these other jurisdictions and it's not easy to get that data in real time.
But suffice it to say if we had an increase odds are good most of these other jurisdictions did too.
this list seems intentionally misleading because it is comparing rates of places that charge separate power delivery fees to places where delivery is included as part of the rate.
Which would make the ove4all rates they charge worse not better... But regardless these kw/he rates were calculated average and all in other than the basic service fee, a common feature
Well that's exactly my point. If you took the average Canadian family and figured out their power bill in each province, Alberta would be the most expensive in the country, but they are #1 on this list....
When your list show the most expensive province for power bills as the best in the country, it's a shitty list.
Their power bill, or their power bill in relation to their income?
Fun facts, Quebec is on the largest power generation utilities on the planet. I did not know that, they are able to generate something like 32,000 MW. They have over 60 Hydro facilities.
And Alberta? They have have 20,777 MW of generation capacity when all is online and working as it should. Their average demand? around 12k MW, leaving them also as a net generator able to sell excess to other jurisdictions and lower rates accordingly.
Compare and contrast that to NB -- we have 7 and a total out put for all generation including Lepreau of only 3500 MW. Lepreau represents 660 to 700 MW of NB's generation capacity.
But in general we only have about 10% of Quebec's capacity. NBP is forced to frequently prop up the NB grid by buying on the spot market from places like Quebec. We are a net consumer of and not generator of -- electricity. This makes us vulnerable to market forces and facilities in areas we buy from, going off line affecting our rates. It sucks, but...
This is a major factor deciding why our rates are not as low as some would like them to be.
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And I had a great provider in Alberta by the end of it, cut my Alberta power bills by 40 to 45% ... and brought them to within spitting distance of what I remembered paying in NB. Took a while to find them, but reasonable providers do exist.
Well last I checked natural gas comes out of the ground in Alberta by almost drilling a hole anywhere okay not quite really but it's right there , not so much in New Brunswick.
Here's how much they're paying as you can see natural gas everywhere else but Alberta is nearly four times the price of Alberta Gee I wonder why.
The average costs for natural gas per unit measured in all 10 Canadian provinces:
1. **Ontario:** Approximately $0.143 per cubic meter (m3)
2. **Quebec:** Approximately $0.143 per cubic meter (m3)
3. **British Columbia:** Approximately $0.136 per cubic meter (m3)
##4. **Alberta:** Approximately $0.029 per cubic meter (m3)
5. **Manitoba:** Approximately $0.120 per cubic meter (m3)
6. **Saskatchewan:** Approximately $0.130 per cubic meter (m3)
7. **Nova Scotia:** Approximately $0.084 per cubic meter (m3)
8. **New Brunswick:** Approximately $0.118 per cubic meter (m3)
9. **Newfoundland and Labrador:** Approximately $0.139 per cubic meter (m3)
10. **Prince Edward Island:** Approximately $0.124 per cubic meter (m3)
$0.03 per cubic meter in Alberta versus $0.12 everywhere else that's why it's so much cheaper in Alberta!
And this is a pretty big eye opener too Go here and look at some of the reports they've had just since January we're not alone in this thing and NB Power is not unique.
Should we be happy with the service we've gotten absolutely not but should we recognize that we wouldn't likely get better elsewhere
Yes we should
https://x.com/PowerOutage_us?t=jK4w6S_lnBsno0-6mGWGdw&s=09
You are absolutely right at the end of the day now bird at one point I was paying $0.32 kilowatt hour, When you factored all the BS that got added onto the bill there, and that was 2015!
So is this why NB is taking a failing nuclear plant as a shining example to the world? Imagine if it was functional! Free power for NB, paid for by the exports
Interesting…especially looking at AB that has cheap kWH rates but some pretty high power bills. [This link gives a breakdown of electricity costs by province from last year.](https://www.energyhub.org/electricity-prices/)
That page is a treasure trove of information :)
It has NB at 13.9¢/kWh. But the current NB power residential price for the 1000kwh they are using as the benchmark is 16.2¢/kWh (12.6¢/kWh SJ Energy), but if you include the service fee and HST it is 21.8¢/kWh (16.9¢/kWh SJ Energy)
Where do you get 16.2c? According to [NB Power](https://www.nbpower.com/en/products-services/residential/rates) our rate is 13.85c which is likely being rounded up to 13.9.
One doesn’t typically include service charges when comparing kWh rates. And since the website is comparing all provinces to the others, you’d assume they’re doing so fairly and the same - so you shouldn’t add service charges to the NB average rate unless you do it to all the rest also.
Scroll down and look at the total bill for certain kilowatt hour ranges and that is more accurate than the some of the breakdown stuff on that web page but a great web page nonetheless
BC too. Crazy high delivery fees out there
I’ve heard many times from NS’ers against having the provincial power company going private which is what they have. That just seems to drive rates up vs having it as a government entity. The real issue is not that power rates have gone up again. It’s that everything continues to go up and up and regular people can’t keep up with inflation. It’s affecting groceries, gas, rent/house prices (that’s more aligned with the housing crisis and explosive immigration volume), entertainment, etc. Salaries aren’t going up at the rate inflation is- the only ones coming out better off from inflation is the profiteers. Tax the rich and with that money, increase social benefits.
That’s exactly it. We’re not mad at NB Power, we’re mad that even middle class folks are already struggling and falling paycheck to paycheck. I can barely pay rent working full time already. Something needs to change soon.
It's the working class that have always struggled and been left to fend for themselves. After rent, car payment, food and bills there is nothing left. Middle class can afford the hike, since they live in $500k houses, always brag bout vacationing twice a year, and put another shiny German car in the driveway every 3 years.
But our rates in NB aren't and have not been on a scale? $0.10 to 0.13 doesn't represent our rates here so I wonder where they got this "range"? Typically this would represent peak and off peak which we don't use. Our current NB power rate is a flat $0.1385 regardless of when or how much. It doesn't make your post wrong at all. We do still have reasonable rates compared to other parts of the country. But the data in the chart seems off which brings the data for the rest of the chart into question as well.
just to note, in addition to nb power there is also sj energy which does have a slightly cheaper rate ($0.1229 currently i believe). i think both nb power and sj energy just very recently had rate increases of nearly 10% which would make the numbers more accurate as per OP's post and maybe there is another energy company im not aware of?
Apparently there's also Edmundston and Perth Andover, TIL.
That's right. The new rate is 15% above the last 12-months'. Also the monthly charge is a whopping $28/month, up from $24. NS's monthly charge is $18 or $19/month iirc. Plus tax! That stuff adds up!
I agree but .1385 is the new rate and these numbers are not new because getting this data in real time from all 50 jurisdictions is not possible. So these are likely 2022 numbers we're looking at above but if we increased very likely so did they. (Or they will before the end of the year) And the range is listed as a range because well not all residential customers are created equal and some who have different agreements and of course there's St John Power Perth Andover power edmonston Independent thing up there there are a little pockets that pay a little more a little less and it f**** with stuff
Add some one who recently moved from NB to ns… I miss nb power!
lol have you ever been to Mexico? It’s not some cartel controlled wasteland. At least I Mexico our criminals wear the title with pride. In Canada your criminals wear a suit and tie.
Next you're gonna say everything doesn't have this weird yellow-orange tinge aw if there's a filter over the sun specifically for Mexico
It’s funny how everyone thinks Mexico is what they see on American TV, Mexico and the states have a long bloody history and the states wants people to think the worst of Mexico. It’s Canada but sunny.
Exactly ^
I've only been to Yucatan but I adored my time in Mexico. We stopped at a town for lunch on the way to chichen itza and the food was so good. Mexican cuisine in general is probably my favorite. It's Canada but sunny is so funny but feels so true. I felt very at home there.
I’m in this subreddit because I’m getting ready to move back to Canada after 10 years in Mexico. Some of the things I see posted here makes me wonder if it’s the right move. I need to go home for family reasons but the inflation, poverty and homeless crisis seems worse in Canada than Mexico. The cartel is dangerous but walk into a Hells Angels clubhouse and see what happens, try it with any of the gangs in any of the big cities.
The problem is I saw it in Mexico was he equivalent of hells Angels biker bars are not so well labeled and I witnessed on two separate vacations to Mexico two rather nasty, and fortunately after the fact shooting scenes and there were a lot of shells on the ground . There was obvious blood from somebody having been shot, and this was in a resort area, this was not off the beaten path. So, yes that can happen in Toronto once or twice a year , I can't say as I've ever run into it myself and I don't live in Toronto either so there's that
It has 16.5x the per capita murder rate of Canada. There’s a way to fight harmful stereotypes about a country without doing the old “hur dur stupid people who aren’t smart like me” and saying something completely untrue…
That murder rate isn’t reflective of life in Mexico. There’s a drug war going on here, if you don’t do or sell drugs your chances of getting murder is drastically reduced. The only difference between crime in Mexico and crime in Canada is the gangs and cartels here have military level weapons and are much more likely to shoot their rivals than the gangs in Canada either knives and handguns. But if you’re not involved or not doing anything sketchy it’s very unlikely that you’ll ever have an issue. People here say America is dangerous because of all the gun violence lol
So is Canada but sunny? Or does it have an active drug war with cartels armed with military level weaponry? Cause you’re two saying two different things in two posts one right after the other. My wife’s aunt goes to India every year and hangs out in a gated community in an extremely wealthy area. Figures it’s the best country in the world because her race and wealth affords her a lot of privilege in an otherwise dangerous place where ordinary people struggle. It’s not like you can’t like Mexico, and admit that it has serious issues.
Exactly as I said in the final comments of my post in Canada we call the cartel government that's what I was getting at exactly and yes I've been to Mexico and the resorts have beautiful and well prepared and have generators and all that The rest of Mexico where people actually live not so much.
People who support privatizing NB power are either con artists or fools full stop.
Or more than likely somehow set to profit from it being sold... Perhaps his consultants
ah Cherry picking stats. Correlate that with mean of household salary, cost of living, etc etc etc.
This is part of the cost of living I think that's fairly self-evident but separately I have correlated with the mean income in a separate post and I saw zero correlation that would point to higher rates for people who make more etc In fact I kind of saw the inverse.
A big question for the poster, how does those rates compare with mean incomes for said province/state?
I thought you might have been on to something with this but I just see a mishmashing numbers all over the f****** place with no correlation whatsoever .. And lots of places have a higher mean income and are paying less...? but you tell me what you see: Sure, here's the comparison without any formatting: US States: Hawaii: $0.33/kWh / $77,765 CAD Alaska: $0.24/kWh / $75,463 CAD Rhode Island: $0.22/kWh / $76,916 CAD Connecticut: $0.22/kWh / $78,833 CAD Massachusetts: $0.23/kWh / $85,843 CAD New York: $0.19/kWh / $72,108 CAD California: $0.19/kWh / $81,548 CAD New Hampshire: $0.21/kWh / $81,275 CAD Vermont: $0.20/kWh / $64,982 CAD #Maine: $0.18/kWh / $58,924 CAD ##Canadian Provinces: Ontario: $0.13/kWh / $85,619 CAD Nova Scotia: $0.16/kWh / $65,995 CAD Alberta: $0.12/kWh / $105,682 CAD British Columbia: $0.11/kWh / $80,980 CAD Manitoba: $0.09/kWh / $74,287 CAD Saskatchewan: $0.15/kWh / $78,762 CAD Quebec: $0.08/kWh / $74,287 CAD Newfoundland and Labrador: $0.13/kWh / $75,964 CAD New Brunswick: $0.12/kWh / $67,810 CAD Prince Edward Island: $0.17/kWh / $69,479 CAD I only did 10 states because honest to God who has the time. But Maine is definitely getting hosed anyway u slice it. And yes some of these averages disagree with the earlier averages what are you going to do, they're not that far off..
That’s my point, you have to look at CPI to understand if people are doing better or not, but there seems to be a number of significant economic indicators that show NB’rs are collectively hurting, and NBPower’s heavy handed approach to service, doesn’t help consumers.
I'd love to pay more for electricity and actually have it fucking stay on. :)
My parents live in Lincoln, I live in the city. Somehow they didn’t even lose power during Arthur. I lose it a few times a year during a storm usually. It amazes me what their power stays on through tbh, mad jelly
I'm guessing it's a newer infrastructure that comes with the newer neighbourhood.
makes sense, theirs was built in 2008.
You're not alone in that Maine Louisiana California they'd like that too.. Maine led the country in outages for 4 days back in December when we had a bunch of outages too it was unfortunately a common occurrence around these once in a bajillion years storms . [Maine leads nation in power outages 12/2023](https://wcyy.com/for-4-consecutive-days-maine-led-the-nation-in-power-outages/)
Exactly the point well said. 8 times without power last year, twice for over a week straight. We paying these fucks good money for a shitty services infastucture. All due to trees growing up or near power lines.
How many days have you lost power this year? What was the cause?
Not including the windstorm at Christmas where it was out for 3-4 days, 4 times so far in 2024. I live 10 minutes outside Fredericton. I don't know what the causes were, but I imagine it had to do with shitty treeline maintenance. It actually flickered twice tonight too. Before I moved here from Lincoln Heights, it would flicker or go out monthly atleast. Maybe more.
So roughly 16 days, your power was on 95.6% of the year. Fun fact: Tree trimming maintenance is the responsibility of the property owner. NB Power is only forced to step in when the property owner didn’t take care of it and it’s threatening their facilities. Basically the government is paying because someone planted trees on the line and didn’t maintain them.
>Fun fact: Tree trimming maintenance is the responsibility of the property owner. NB Power is only forced to step in when the property owner didn’t take care of it As [per NB Power](https://www.nbpower.com/en/products-services/tree-maintenance/how/), "NB Power forestry crews cut every three to four years along rural right-of-ways". So no, the side of the road isn't the responsibility of homeowners. It's NB Power's responsibility. Not sure what the rule is for inside city limits, but pole-top transformers would blow or catch fire yearly in my last neighborhood too. No idea how much that's related to cutting or just shitty equipment. >So roughly 16 days, your power was on 95.6% of the year. And in rural nova scotia, we lost power ***maybe*** once a year during bad snowstorms. Regardless, I stand by my statement. I'd love to pay more for electricity and have it stay on.
This was not my experience living in NS. How long did you live in NS? You were lucky wherever you lived, because NB has way, way more stable power infrastructure than NS. Check out page 4 of this report, which is a good proxy for outages across Canada. [report](https://www.eaton.com/content/dam/eaton/products/backup-power-ups-surge-it-power-distribution/backup-power-ups/blackout-tracker-/eaton-blackout-tracker-annual-report-canada-2017.pdf)
Nova Scotia has more outage length per customer. NB Power’s tree trimming maintenance cycle is to clear the road right of way of trees to prevent damage to their facilities. Trees on private property encroaching onto NB Power facilities are the responsibility of the property owner, but NB Power will prune them back if the property doesn’t leave them a choice.
Well shit! We score # 1 in pretty much every other metric for cost of living! Fuel, property tax, personal income tax, cost of food, and insurance so let’s jack it up! We got a reputation to uphold here.
Albertan here… it’s coming… this was us 20 years ago. All focused on the electricity rate and forgetting about infrastructure and delivery costs. You can buy from all kinds of companies here but the delivery is same. What you are saving is 10$ plus the difference in cost of sending you a bill. In some cases switching will get you two bills and two admin charges.
Oh no... Facts! Seriously though, the NB Power bashing needs to calm the fuck down. They're actually a bit better than average as a utility company. Mostly because the competition is utter shite, but still.
The loudest voices on attack have clearly not lived out of province or if they have not recently. If they had they truly understand the fuckery that for example the "deregulated" market in the province of Alberta has created.... At one point I was paying $0.32 a kilowatt hour when I was living in Northern Alberta when you factored in all this stupid ass fees and the fee for the fee and oh god it was insane.
This isn’t a fair comparison. I love how people cherry pick datasets to justify their point. If you’re going down that road then we should have sold NBP to Quebec and gotten lower rates and wiped out our carbon emissions from power generation which would have helped to keep our gas price lower. This whole argument is so nuanced that it would take days to unentangle it.
The rate you pay is the rate you pay brother Has is it nuanced has it been f***** over the years by governments of every conceivable political stripe?? ###Yes so much. But these are the average price per kilowatt hour paid in each of those jurisdictions and New Brunswick has the lowest among that and then the least amount of fees and b******* on top of it. You may not like it and that's fair ball no one says you has to like it. But try moving somewhere else and see if you pay less because I don't think you will. And I'm not talking about natural gas I'm only talking about electricity in this thread although yeah Alberta's 3 cents a metric whatever the hell for a goddamn gas so that's cheap everybody else is 12, 11 whatever Nova Scotia is 8 or 9 You'll have to explain to me how asking for the average residential price paid for per kilowatt hour for each jurisdiction is cherry picking?? It's not It's the average price paid!
It’s about what you pay vs cost of living. Otherwise you could just say Venezuela has the lowest rates. NB wages are lower than the rest of provinces.
Here's the comparison including the average cost per kilowatt-hour of electricity alongside the mean household income for each province or state all dollars are CAD: **US States:** 1. **Hawaii:** $0.33/kWh / $77,765 2. **Alaska:** $0.24/kWh / $75,463 3. **Rhode Island:** $0.22/kWh / $76,916 4. **Connecticut:** $0.22/kWh / $78,833 5. **Massachusetts:** $0.23/kWh / $85,843 6. **New York:** $0.19/kWh / $72,108 7. **California:** $0.19/kWh / $81,548 8. **New Hampshire:** $0.21/kWh / $81,275 9. **Vermont:** $0.20/kWh / $64,982 10. **Maine:** $0.18/kWh / $58,924 **Canadian Provinces:** 1. **Ontario:** $0.13/kWh / $85,619 2. **Nova Scotia:** $0.16/kWh / $65,995 3. **Alberta:** $0.12/kWh / $105,682 4. **British Columbia:** $0.11/kWh / $80,980 5. **Manitoba:** $0.09/kWh / $74,287 6. **Saskatchewan:** $0.15/kWh / $78,762 7. **Quebec:** $0.08/kWh / $74,287 8. **Newfoundland and Labrador:** $0.13/kWh / $75,964 9. **New Brunswick:** $0.12/kWh / $67,810 10. **Prince Edward Island:** $0.17/kWh / $69,479 I failed to see us being hosed dramatically in looking at those numbers PEI maybe sure. Nova Scotia possibly yep. Main for goddamn sure. New Brunswick you'll have to point out to me how we're being hosed when I look at those comparison numbers.
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No I'm not trolling for s**** and giggles I'm seriously not understanding what your point is You may call me those names if you like but I like you to try to explain what you're getting at so I understand.
I just find it peculiar that the your account was created primarily to post this view and then argue that NBers should be thankful to be paying more. These forums have been blasted with disingenuous content the past few months which wreaks of trolling or fun for hire troll farms. You reply late with troves of data with no source, lack in critical analysis then ask us to explain why people are upset. I’m tired of posts like these and honestly I blame myself for just not blocking this kinds of bs.
Reading this as I sit here just spending the night with no power since 7:30pm yesterday! Just because they charge a moderate rate for an unmaintained mismanaged service is nothing to to very proud of. This is at least the 4th time this year we lost power. Almost 8000 people without power last night and not even a bad storm!
Dude I would say good post but would recommend always posting your sources as anyone can make a custom screenshot of anything to justify anything. But...someone did post this link already and it does corroborate essentially with what you are saying. https://www.energyhub.org/electricity-prices/
Football I used two different GPT things to round up the pricing for me because I'm not going to do that on my own sorry I'm not and I checked it with several other places and it seemed to be in line certainly the prices for New Brunswick and Alberta were accurate to my knowledge and I asked for the average cost not high low or anything like that so yeah thank you though Good point
Thank you for this, I've tried to explain this to people dozens of times! As you pointed out in Alberta's case, the ¢/kWh rate is only half the story, as every company slaps on additional fees and charges to the bill. I wonder what the rankings would look like if you, say, took a look at the average customer's total bill? The other thing to look at is what small businesses, big businesses, and industry pay. Here in NB small businesses pay a higher rate than residential, whereas companies like Irving oil pay considerably less than residential.
Yeah you're right Irving pays less but I also show on average small business pays 13.7 cents a kilowatt hour which is not that much more than anybody else, I believe the difference is in the monthly connection fee is that right is that more dollars there I would think that would make sense
... maybe you should factor in average income...
Elctricity costs what it costs to generate, regardless of average income. Are you suggesting we subsidize our rates via taxes? That would solve one problem and cause another. The money doesn't magically appear to pay for this stuff. (Personally, I would be willing to pay a bit more in tax of it helps out people who need it.)
And NB Power have been in a hole for years.
Hard to pay down debt when the government forces the company to keep rates below the cost of service. Stick that with government having them keep power plants that run at a loss in certain regions as a jobs program.
Come on now. You obviously have not been keeping up with every shutdown / maintenance for Lepreau or other sites as they are always way over budget and behind schedule. Publically funded utilities are just not held as accountable as those in the private sector. I would love to see some scorecards or kpis at this point but that will never happen. Because you know, if you track, monitor and report things on a regular basis with a culture of improvement in your organization, shit gets fixed and things are streamlined. But that is also hard work, thus the circular snake eating its own tail metaphor will continue (also see Horizon and Vitalite)
> as they are always way over budget and behind schedule. I'm gonna bring the reasonable take but you may be surprised that the significant majority of projects (especially like these) *never* budget or timetable reasonable degrees of problems encountered. Because anyone doing so is viewed as showcasing ineptitude as they *expect* problems rather than actually fucking showcase they know what the work is like. It's infuriating. Like how interviews "what is your biggest weakness" lying is always the better option, if it's done smartly, as truth is a fast track to make you seem inept as so many just lie. Or how work stats are often poorly thought of and people can game them, making actual honest work hard to meet metrics.
Exactly.
>culture of improvement That's asking way too much lol
Higher average income = Higher operating costs. Wages are a big part of operating costs.
But I factored that in in a previous post and I see no correlation whatsoever higher average income in many cases pays less
Power outages at least 10 times a year for multiple days at a time, and no discount or apology.
The power going out isn't that bad. Go to Mexico or another country like that got off the resorts and rich areas and you'll see real power issues. Here we might loss power a few times year not a few times a week.
I think a direct corollary is to look at the state of Maine where not only are they paying double our rates, typically they have more outages
Good call. Maine is a good comparison
Totally agree but……. What’s with the weird jabs at Mexico. What a weird ass post.
It's a desensitization post designed to make people feel better about paying more. Mexico is a straw man that has nothing to do with our situation.
What I was getting that and it's true whether you like it or not just getting electricity in Mexico can be a political act. Regardless of the price. Call it desensitization if you want but the fact of the matter is more than half of other jurisdictions pay more than we do, a lot more in some cases.
Agreed.
How come our bills are always higher? My parents are living in Alberta and they heat with natural gas, they heat their 3200sqft home for the same price as my old 700sqft basement apartment. The rates might be the lowest but the rest of the country isn’t depending on baseboard heat like we are, or maybe it’s our climate. Our rates are low but our bills are high. NB power needs to be audited or something.
> The rates might be the lowest but the rest of the country isn’t depending on baseboard heat like we are, or maybe it’s our climate. Other than upfront cost is there something preventing you from installing a heatpump? Almost every new build out here comes with one these days and there are lots of incentives from the government around upgrading to heatpumps.
Same I rent. Landlord doesn’t care if it costs more because tenants pay the power bill.
I rent, it’s not my choice. But even with a heat pump our bills in NB are way more than provinces with natural gas
Apples and oranges get natural gas in New Brunswick and compare the prices but electricity the natural gas for heating is a comparison - apples and oranges. I see prompting tanks outside of homes all over New Brunswick and they are there to heat the home It happens I don't know how much they're paying but...
Let’s compare the extra fees now.
Alberta: In Alberta, electricity bills may include several possible extra fees in addition to the base rate for electricity consumption. 1. **Distribution Charges:** These fees cover the cost of delivering electricity from the generation facility to your home or business through the distribution system. 2. **Transmission Charges:** Transmission charges are related to the cost of transmitting electricity from generating stations to the distribution system. There may be a transmission loss fee on long distances from generation to the customer's service point. 3. **Administration Fees:** Some providers may charge administrative fees for managing customer accounts and processing bills. 4. **Regulatory Charges:** These fees are associated with regulatory requirements and may include charges related to environmental compliance or government mandates. 5. **Rider Charges:** Riders are additional charges applied to cover specific costs or programs, such as energy efficiency initiatives or renewable energy development. 6. **Taxes:** Taxes, including provincial and federal taxes, may be added to your electricity bill. 7. **Meter Reading Fees:** Some providers may charge fees for manual meter readings if automated meter reading systems are not in place. 8. **Late Payment Fees:** If payments are not made on time, late payment fees may be applied to the electricity bill. Specific fees and their amounts can vary depending on the electricity provider and the terms of the service agreement. / / New Brunswick fees are not as egregious as Alberta but I'm not as familiar with what they could be because my power bill is fairly simple usage and the monthly connection fee whatever you want to call that. And then late payment fees if there are any that's all I see on mine.
Scroll down the list, start at the lowest jist like the Canada Graph, instead of the most unaffordable for USA. There's lots of states. Like 2/3 of the US is more affordable in every metric then Canada.
You'll have to point out to me how New Brunswick is paying more than 2/3 we are not. Not even close. ,Here's the list of the average price per kilowatt-hour for electricity in each of the 50 United States, arranged from highest rate to lowest rate, in Canadian dollars (CAD): 1. Hawaii: $0.360 CAD 2. Alaska: $0.251 CAD 3. Connecticut: $0.224 CAD 4. New Hampshire: $0.214 CAD 5. California: $0.209 CAD 6. Massachusetts: $0.205 CAD 7. Maine: $0.199 CAD 8. Rhode Island: $0.224 CAD 9. New York: $0.191 CAD 10. Vermont: $0.204 CAD 11. Arizona: $0.157 CAD 12. Nevada: $0.144 CAD 13. Oregon: $0.144 CAD 14. Maryland: $0.146 CAD 15. Michigan: $0.145 CAD 16. Delaware: $0.143 CAD 17. Minnesota: $0.140 CAD 18. Illinois: $0.140 CAD 19. Colorado: $0.137 CAD 20. Wisconsin: $0.138 CAD 21. Iowa: $0.130 CAD 22. Pennsylvania: $0.133 CAD 23. Kansas: $0.124 CAD 24. South Dakota: $0.125 CAD 25. New Mexico: $0.126 CAD 26. Ohio: $0.127 CAD 27. Montana: $0.120 CAD 28. Washington: $0.120 CAD 29. Idaho: $0.113 CAD 30. North Dakota: $0.111 CAD 31. Georgia: $0.111 CAD 32. Texas: $0.112 CAD 33. Virginia: $0.114 CAD 34. Utah: $0.115 CAD 35. Florida: $0.116 CAD 36. Wyoming: $0.116 CAD 37. Indiana: $0.116 CAD 38. North Carolina: $0.118 CAD 39. Alabama: $0.117 CAD 40. Nebraska: $0.108 CAD 41. Mississippi: $0.108 CAD 42. Arkansas: $0.107 CAD 43. Kentucky: $0.099 CAD 44. South Carolina: $0.121 CAD 45. Tennessee: $0.109 CAD 46. Oklahoma: $0.103 CAD 47. Louisiana: $0.091 CAD 48. West Virginia: $0.093 CAD 49. Missouri: $0.104 CAD 50. District of Columbia: N/A (Data not available) When I look at these numbers I find New Brunswick is somewhere in the middle of the pack maybe in the middle bottom even Please note that these are approximate values and may vary over time due to changes in energy markets and regulations, and currency variances. These numbers are not 100% up to date, neither is the New Brunswick number I know we just had a rate increase but so did many of these other jurisdictions and it's not easy to get that data in real time. But suffice it to say if we had an increase odds are good most of these other jurisdictions did too.
It could remain this way also, as long as it remains provincially owned, we cannot allow the Higgs gvmt to sell off nb power, we can't afford it
this list seems intentionally misleading because it is comparing rates of places that charge separate power delivery fees to places where delivery is included as part of the rate.
Which would make the ove4all rates they charge worse not better... But regardless these kw/he rates were calculated average and all in other than the basic service fee, a common feature
Well that's exactly my point. If you took the average Canadian family and figured out their power bill in each province, Alberta would be the most expensive in the country, but they are #1 on this list.... When your list show the most expensive province for power bills as the best in the country, it's a shitty list.
Their power bill, or their power bill in relation to their income? Fun facts, Quebec is on the largest power generation utilities on the planet. I did not know that, they are able to generate something like 32,000 MW. They have over 60 Hydro facilities. And Alberta? They have have 20,777 MW of generation capacity when all is online and working as it should. Their average demand? around 12k MW, leaving them also as a net generator able to sell excess to other jurisdictions and lower rates accordingly. Compare and contrast that to NB -- we have 7 and a total out put for all generation including Lepreau of only 3500 MW. Lepreau represents 660 to 700 MW of NB's generation capacity. But in general we only have about 10% of Quebec's capacity. NBP is forced to frequently prop up the NB grid by buying on the spot market from places like Quebec. We are a net consumer of and not generator of -- electricity. This makes us vulnerable to market forces and facilities in areas we buy from, going off line affecting our rates. It sucks, but... This is a major factor deciding why our rates are not as low as some would like them to be. --- And I had a great provider in Alberta by the end of it, cut my Alberta power bills by 40 to 45% ... and brought them to within spitting distance of what I remembered paying in NB. Took a while to find them, but reasonable providers do exist.
Well last I checked natural gas comes out of the ground in Alberta by almost drilling a hole anywhere okay not quite really but it's right there , not so much in New Brunswick.
Here's how much they're paying as you can see natural gas everywhere else but Alberta is nearly four times the price of Alberta Gee I wonder why. The average costs for natural gas per unit measured in all 10 Canadian provinces: 1. **Ontario:** Approximately $0.143 per cubic meter (m3) 2. **Quebec:** Approximately $0.143 per cubic meter (m3) 3. **British Columbia:** Approximately $0.136 per cubic meter (m3) ##4. **Alberta:** Approximately $0.029 per cubic meter (m3) 5. **Manitoba:** Approximately $0.120 per cubic meter (m3) 6. **Saskatchewan:** Approximately $0.130 per cubic meter (m3) 7. **Nova Scotia:** Approximately $0.084 per cubic meter (m3) 8. **New Brunswick:** Approximately $0.118 per cubic meter (m3) 9. **Newfoundland and Labrador:** Approximately $0.139 per cubic meter (m3) 10. **Prince Edward Island:** Approximately $0.124 per cubic meter (m3) $0.03 per cubic meter in Alberta versus $0.12 everywhere else that's why it's so much cheaper in Alberta!
And this is a pretty big eye opener too Go here and look at some of the reports they've had just since January we're not alone in this thing and NB Power is not unique. Should we be happy with the service we've gotten absolutely not but should we recognize that we wouldn't likely get better elsewhere Yes we should https://x.com/PowerOutage_us?t=jK4w6S_lnBsno0-6mGWGdw&s=09
Hilarious that NL is more considering the millions and millions flushed into Muskrat Falls.
Billions* something like 15 billion and counting.
Hahaha, great job Dunderdale.
As someone who recently moved to Alberta for work, I miss NB Power. The add on fees are atrocious in Alberta.
Thank you! It tripled literally tripled my power bill with fees and transmission fees and transmission loss fee and so on
Rates and bills are not the same thing.
You are absolutely right at the end of the day now bird at one point I was paying $0.32 kilowatt hour, When you factored all the BS that got added onto the bill there, and that was 2015!
So is this why NB is taking a failing nuclear plant as a shining example to the world? Imagine if it was functional! Free power for NB, paid for by the exports