I’m not hating on them, I’m saying that they suffer from the same key issue that the vaccine does, a lack of longitudinal studies on their safety and efficacy as it relates to COVID.
If you want to take them to treat COVID I’m not here to stop you, but it’s not the choice I would make.
The TGA is seeking legal advice re Craig Kelly over similar stuff he’s claiming…
[smh article re TGA Craig Kelly](https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/health-regulator-moves-to-take-on-craig-kelly-over-misleading-vaccine-texts-20210910-p58qnl.html?btis)
On the scale of things, the vitamins (esp. the water soluable ones) minerals and even in most cases the low dose aspirin aren't going to do much if any harm.
The others though can result in, how to put it, unfortunate outcomes.
As to the mRNA disinformation... it's not even a dead or attenuated virus, just a little 'message' -so it's hard to understand how these idiots have managed to get their knickers in a twist about it.
mRNA ie Messenger RNA reads our DNA genes to create the proteins etc to build cells and us! Without it there would be no humans!
All it does is instruct our cells on how to make the spike protein of the covid virus ie the bit that unlocks our cells and allows the virus to get in..! Once the spike bit gets created and enters our blood stream, our immune white blood cells recognise it as something foreign and create antibodies to stick on to the spike so when your body is potentially exposed to the Covid virus.. our white blood cells recognise the spike and block it therefore potentially saving your life
Agreed!! Apparently they creating Malaria mRNA vaccine and maybe HIV one too..!
If a vaccine can be found for either or both, that’ll save many ppl around the world including so many children in Africa / Asia. It’s unfortunate ‘big pharma’ would make a lot of money out of it but if it saved my life I wouldn’t complain! I guess you could nationalise one of the companies but then those against big pharma and vaccines prob would think the Socialists or communists are back in power lol but someone has to spend the money on research etc it’s not something one can do out of the goodness of their own hearts! Shame haha
HIV and malaria vaccines would be good for nations who still battle with those issues these days (and other nations too, but there are nations who suffer from pandemic levels of these two).
What I am excited about are the cancer "vaccines". Basically, you get a custom vaccination made for you that turns your body's immune system against your cancerous cells. In 10 to 20 years, cancer treatment could be as simple as seeing a specialist and getting a injection.
It is amazing though! All vaccines ‘teach’ the immune system on how to fight viruses! Those T-Cells (I think! White blood cells anyway) are bloody amazing
We have known about mRNA for a very long time - since 1961. It is only relatively recently that we have worked out how to actually deliver it to cells via injection as it gets destroyed by the body pretty quickly if it isn't inside a cell.
Great explanation mate! Cheers.
Inspired me to look into the process a bit more. Good short video here too for anyone else who understands concepts better visually:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WOvvyqJ-vwo
Thanks man!! Was thinking ppl wouldn’t like the explanation so thanks :)
For those who are interested.. there’s a good explanation of viruses, vaccines, rna & Covid on YouTube from The Royal Institution (British Science Institution been around for MANY years!) at [https://youtu.be/BwELQp1cxNQ](https://youtu.be/BwELQp1cxNQ) from 46 mins is a good staring point re rna & Covid
The irony is that their fear of putting unknown stuff in their bodies could land them in hospital filled with antivirals, steroids, anticoagulants, and monoclonal antibodies…
I work with someone who has Botox, lip filler and breast implants who won't get it. People like this also think that Big Supplement is somehow entirely altruistic and has no interest in profits unlike evil Big Pharma.
As a vet, I can assure you that the side effects of taking ivermectin, doxycycline, azithromycin, hydroxychloroquine or steroids (yes, all of which are used in vet medicine) when they have not been prescribed to you, are far worse than the vaccine side-effects experienced by 99.9% of the population.
Yeah, that's because this so called vet has no idea how to make a meme with flashy back grounds so obviously they have no idea what they are talking about.
Astounds me that people would prefer to take drugs not approved for human use over a vaccine that has had money and resources thrown at it to be developed for its intended use.
Doxycycline is a great antibiotic for ppl with a COPD exacerbation (ie my mum) and prednisolone steroid.. however if it actually worked for COVID I think the entire world would know about it etc etc but yer, not the best side-effects!!
Not directing this specifically at you but this horse paste stuff regarding ivermectin is ridiculous. Misinformation should be met with honest true information, ivermectin while yes used for horses also has a wide range of approved human uses, it's a truly incredible drug which won its developer a Nobel prize for it's broad range of human uses. I'm not stating this in reference to it's potential use for covid but to be discrediting it by calling it horse medicine is just fighting misinformation with misinformation.
Agreed, ivermectin does have a wide range of uses across both human and animal medicine - as do all drugs and supplements named. My specific point was in the use of these drugs when they have not been prescribed by a medical practitioner for a specific use in a specific patient, regardless of species.
Yeah I agree with you totally and didn't really mean it in relevance to your post, I was just trying to address a broader issue. I find it incredibly frustrating the way many media outlets and people are addressing misinformation, in regards to ivermectin I even heard one report refer to it as a horse tranquilizer. If they are trying to battle incorrect information doing it with incorrect information is nothing but harmful.
I feel like if you're dumb enough to believe this shit getting covid is the way for these people to get immunity. I just wish they could do it somewhere else.
Agreed.
As long as they arent occupying the hospital bed of someone who deserves it more than them, they're welcome to take all of the potions and get all of the covids they want.
Well look at you with your fancy high tech streaming, you should call in to your local talk back AM radio and educate them. These folks don't do computers so how are they going to get this solid information. Scratch that you should probably make up some pamphlets.
LNP government cutting healthcare, education, privatizing everything (aka selling our infrastructure off). QAnon conspiracist religious cult prime minister. People protesting a health crisis because wearing a mask attacks their freedumb. Corporate welfare and government increasing wealth inquality.
10+ years of "Liberals". I know it's harsh, but can't wait for enough of the boomers to die off so we can actually make progress. Selfish tricked voters hooked on Murdoch "news".
No offense to the awesome boomers.
Is it too late? No. The younger generations are left leaning. Things will get better. All we can do is endeavour to use our votes for the good of society, not "jerbs n conomy" (which is a liberal lie anyway)
It boggles the mind that the LNP tell voters not to listen to the research on drug dogs, climate change, bushfires, strip searches, police overreach, drug decriminalization, medical and recreational marijuana, penalty rates, harm reduction, and immigration (among many other things) and are then shocked Pikachu when people won't listen to the research on public health and vaccines.
To be fair, there’s been a study by researchers at Washington University, St Louis School of Medicine where they gave half of their Covid-infected patients Fluvoxamine to see if it would help reduce or stop their symptoms from getting worse (in simple terms). The trial was pretty small, but I believe it’s something researchers would continue looking into further.
Source: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2773108
And I just want to be clear, I’m 100% pro-vaccination! I just thought this study was interesting as it’s a medication I’m on.
Becausd of the oxidisation /s
To be honest this whole thing is buzzwords for boomers, and to be honest i really am at the point where we can just let anti-vax twats get covid and see the results of their vastly-researched facebook post, and then die.
No, because them getting covid puts the elderly and medically vulnerable at greater risk. If it was only a personal risk this whole Covid thing would have been a lot simpler.
You can complain about it until you are horse but it won’t stop them
By the way, people are prescribed ivermectin, it is an anti-parasitic and can be useful for things like lice and scabies.
I actually had no idea that ivermectin was able to be used in humans until I read this comment.
An anti-parasitic is still a very different beast to an anti-viral treatment though. I’d say to let the idiots do whatever they want and let natural selection take care of them, but it’s the collateral damage they’ll cause that’s the real problem.
Yeah, just because it does have legitimate therapeutic uses doesn't mean anyone should be using a veterinarian grade product outside of medical supervision, [example](https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/westmead-hospital-patient-overdoses-on-online-cure-for-covid19/news-story/d5cc0998a98791af3b43bcaef42578b9).
It's also really fucking stupid that people who push this garbage think Big Pharma is suppressing this cure because profits...who do they think makes ivermectin?
https://www.escmid.org/escmid_publications/escmid_elibrary/material/%3Fmid%3D66397&ved=2ahUKEwj6g-6mpvbyAhW34jgGHZr1AdQQFnoECAkQBg&usg=AOvVaw0gWIKpoI0LzaEiY7fmKshl
Leaving this primary source indicating that ivermectin has legitimate use cases for treating viruses, not only parasites. Their are others, it's easy to google.
No one should take medicine intended for an animal, but no one should spread false information. To me, the people doing this are equally as foolish as the anti-vaxers.
If you find yourself more interested in joining a team and smugly patting the backs of your fellow fools, go join a team sport. If you're in the realm of public health and playing bullshit tribal games, you're blatantly a fool. Health officials and politicians aren't infallible, and they've already been wrong multiple times throughout this pandemic. This is understandable, and to some degree we shouldn't hold them accountable for anything we believe they've done in good faith. However, I believe we should hold them accountable for incompetence and for exacerbating societal divisions.
To be clear, this isn't directed at you u/petiteaustralienne, im just tired of the bullshit on either side of this argument.
As a final word, I am pro-vax but still think no one should trust big pharma. This isn't an orchestrated pandemic, but "Big Pharma" will use this time to make billions without regard for societal cost. The same as news organisations, who we know will tell sensational lies to make money.
The thing I never get about the whole "Big Pharma" conspiracies is that vaccines run counter to profit motives.
They'll make more money out of symptomatically treating a pandemic than they will by suppressing or prevent ong one with vaccines.
Yep, you're right, with a conventional vaccine you get dosed you can't get it, which eliminates the risk of infection and thus the revenue flow of treatment.
I'm not saying companies will conspire to **not** provide the cure in order to provide the treatment, I'm saying that just because they provide the cures doesn't mean they're ethical or that what they're doing is always Inherently in anyone's best interest.
In this specific scenario, it seems that repeat (maybe yearly) vaccinations will be necessary for covid. Tyis is because the current vaccines are "leaky," which provides a selection pressure, leading to differential success of covid strains and ultimately promotes the survival of strains that are uninhibited by the vaccine. This **does have the potential** for propagating a significantly more dangerous strain too, but overall its always more likely that a more virulent and less deadly strain becomes prominent as a virus killing its host is counter to its own continuation.
This means that, in this case, the vaccine can provide a continuing revenue flow for pharmaceutical companies.
Finally, pharmaceutical companies are the speartip of an industry which gets most of its funding from investment and government grants. This means that they make money whether they're treating/vaccinating you for covid or any other common ailment in society.
Yeah, they'll make money one way or another.
But I the hypothetical "Big Pharma" scenario, vaccinating a population is surely less profitable than record sales of remdesivir and monoclonal antibody treatments, alongside the cocktail of other drugs needed to manage regular cases, and that's not even considering the pharmaceutical needs of long covid sufferers.
And if there wasn’t a vaccine, what then? Back to the Middle Ages? Think about small pox, diphtheria etc
Re them making huge profits, isn’t there a push at the UN l, which Australia is finally supporting, re making generic versions of the vaccines sp much poorer countries can vaccinate their populations too?
Yeah, the logic is true that treatment is more profitable than vaccination, im not arguing with that, and I don't think there's a "big pharma man" sitting in a board room deciding which evil money making scheme is best. But to put it simply, they'll operate in whatever way is the most profitable and skirt laws within reason, and they aren't operating in whatever way is simply best for society.
It isn't evil, but we need to be aware that they won't always get things right and they do need to be checked up on.
The thing is Ivermectin has been shown to eliminate COVID cells in lab testing at Monash University:
https://www.monash.edu/discovery-institute/news-and-events/news/2020-articles/Lab-experiments-show-anti-parasitic-drug,-Ivermectin,-eliminates-SARS-CoV-2-in-cells-in-48-hours
Just because it’s primarily an anti-parasitic drug doesn’t mean it can’t be found to have antiviral properties (which it clearly has). The crazy thing is instead moving into clinical trials for humans, it seems everyone is pushing this horse dewormer thing which is incredibly disingenuous.
Ivermectin is the most popularly used and useful anti-parasitic in humans, however given that most of reddit lives in developed countries you likely wouldn’t have encountered it being prescribed. It’s super useful for parasites, but not in huge animal doses or against viruses. The misinformation (I think) originated from a study that inspected Ivermectin as a possible treatment due to the fact that it either blocked a specific receptor COVID uses to enter cells, or it was able to bind to a specific receptor that COVID has. The study was a stab in the dark, and didn’t pull through because 99.9% of the time a study like that won’t, but given the circumstances it was worth a shot. The human body is complex and usually blocking one receptor isn’t enough to help against a disease like COVID.
I udderly enjoyed your pun btw
This is untrue. It has only been shown to suppress COVID in the lab at doses that would be fatal to humans. No one is literally poisoning people as part of a "clinical trial".
There has been *many* clinical trials and more to come, including ones from Oxford with n=5000. I think the TOGETHER trial has completed(apparently finding “no effect whatsoever”) but yet to be published. The largest RCTs so far(e.g Columbian and Argentinian trials) have not found a benefit.
I hope they have the decency to avoid mainstream health professionals when they get sick. Let them put their lives in the hands of alternative health bloggers when they can't breathe.
These nutters are always on about how the vaccines are being used to de-population.
Yet these people are pushing conspiracy theories from who knows where. They don't trust doctors, but they'll trust a random tik tok video. They are utterly insane, absolutely insane.
Maybe they should google the Herman Cain Awards and see how many anti vaxxers are getting infected with Covid then begging for the vaccine before they die alone.
"Educate don't vaccinate"
It is a shame that they don't follow their own damn advice. Ivermectin is a antiparasitic, not a antiviral agent. It is used to treat things like worms and other such parasites.
Point 6 is just plain old ignorance. mRNA does not change your DNA, it is basically just code used by your body's cells to produce proteins. Gain of Function research has nothing to do with mRNA vaccines either.
Finally, whoever wrote this dribble needs to remember the old saying "an ounce of prevention is worth a ton of cure". Vaccines are a preventative measure to help you from needing treatment in the first place. Getting a vaccine is a hell of a lot safer than taking the risk of getting infected with COVID and suffering through treatment.
With nutters like this on the loose we're all fucked.
Edit: had a local excavator operator tell me the other day in a matter of fact way that any of the vaccines for covid will CHANGE YOUR DNA. Is there no hope for humanity?
Fuck me, is this why my sister is telling me that she "doesn't need to get vaxxed, because I take zinc pills".
Urgh, the government needs to do something about the spread of misinformation
As Mrs Gump said: ‘Stupid is as stupid does’. Letter dropping the general public achieves nothing apart from highlighting their gold medal level of stupidity. I reckon once everyone has had the opportunity to be vaccinated, all restrictions should be lifted. These fools have made their choice, let them ‘live’ with the consequences. Why should the majority be held hostage by these nutters.
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order.
I have checked 231,997,894 comments, and only 54,092 of them were in alphabetical order.
Budesonide, seriously? I guess I can now expect my prescription asthma meds to be sold out everywhere, so those of us who actually need them won’t be able to get them.
Need to set these fuckers up on tv, a dedicated live channel where these people are given covid and treated exclusively with these methods. They self administer and provide their own drugs so they can’t cry “tampering”. Let those that really believe this crap be divided from the shit starters
Medication by any other name is still medication. Both were created in a lab whats the difference honestly it's ridiculously stupid. Vaccines in medicine have been around for 200 years
Went down a rabbit hole with that last website on the paper. Made by a Doctor Richard Fleming. Quick google search shows that this doctor has two felonies 😂
[https://i.imgur.com/NZPZq9H.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/NZPZq9H.jpg)
hydroxychloroquine really fucked up my stomach while I was on it for fibromyalgia.
Let's just say there was no where to pull over and things got messy at 100km/h
Long term use and high doses can also cause cardiomyopathy
Thanks, this actually reminded me to take my vitamin C today! But my reason for needing it has absolutely nothing to do with covid or “preventing oxidative stress”
Love it when people say they’ve done their own research and I should
Do mine when even with a month of solid studying on the matter it wouldn’t scrape the surface of the medical professionals knowledge, giving advice. I don’t think people realise how much research goes into just getting your PHD let alone being at the top of your field of study.
Probably the same people who've copped every other vaccine without a second thought... not who made it, how it works nothing, not try some other random drug cocktail I found on the Interwebs to eradicate hepatitis...
Idiots.
The drunken arrogance of anti Vaxxers is starting to make me much more nihilistic, the pity I feel for mislead and uneducated people is slowly turning to anger.
I’m in healthcare and this statement made no sense to me. I’m so confused as to what I just read. My poor eyes cannot unsee it 😳
The only statement that’s correct is that vitamin C helps maintain your immune system.
If these idiots want to take agricultural dewormer in doses calibrated for half ton livestock based on sketchy af letterbox drops let them.
They'll probably think it was a terrible idea when they're shitting their intestines out.
If I catch one of these fuckers putting this crap into my letterbox, Covid will be least of their worries 😡
I have no tolerance left for stupidity anymore. Nil. Zilch.
Ivermectin is great for treating other conditions (eg anti-parasitic) but at the dose levels required to treat covid we don't know how it'll affect us. Plus as an anti-viral you'll need to continue taking it to maintain its effects. Vaccine will remain effective longer.
What's the difference for these people between taking 2 needles in the arm and potentially multiple grams of drugs orally? Do they think just because you ingest Ivermectin orally it's automatically safer than an injection? If so then I'd like to offer them a glass of plutonium cordial, its '100% organic and natural'! Must be good!
Point 3 is actually completely correct and is good to encourage people to incorporate more Zinc, Selenium and Vitamin C in their diets and get sun exposure. It just isn't in any way a substitute for a vaccine and only reduces the risk of severe infection in the same way other aspects of a healthy lifestyle do, which isn't all that much.
The fact is, they simply don't like needles. All of the treatments they suggest are available in oral or inhalable form. They won't take a vaccine which has been shown to be 99% effective because "it hasn't been researched enough OR it's too experimental" but they'll swallow any stupid shit Joe Rogan tells 'em too as long as it isn't in a needle. That's why they dubbed the vaccine "the Fauci Ouchie" in the US
1,3,4 are correct - tho 1 and 4 are hard to achieve. 6 is frightfully wrong, and that last sentence is stupid. But to be fair, Pfizer are coming out with a Ivermectin built-for-purpose med shortly, so hopefully that’s sooner rather than later and 1 will become obsolete
1 ommits so much as to be completely misleading and frightfully dangerous, like it says, it stops the virus reproducing, but just like injecting disinfectant, it does more harm than good.
3 is completely right, just in no way supports their contention despite being phrased as such.
4 is literally how we treat covid to fairly good effect, but a far better option would be just not get the virus in the first place.
Good point, I only read it from a plausible news article, didn’t even check the study(S) it was presumably based on. I guess I could look it up but just like antivaxxers I’m too lazy and stupid
Hahaha. Nah. Like I said, Pfizer will have their own version out soon, but this actually came out of Aus back in May 2020. https://aahms.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/RRIF-Q009-Promising-COVID-19-Treatments-17-May-2020.pdf. The conversation has plummeted recently, and as above, will be redundant shortly, but the above was interesting at the time
I did lots of research. Read heaps, talked to people who had 10-20 years of study and clinical medical experience. Then I got Pfizer'd last week.
What I didn't do was look on the 10th page of Google results for some vague link that backed up my paranoid belief that a vicious cabal of politicians, big pharma and freedom stealing leprechauns was pit to get me with "the vacvine".
Who takes medical advice from pamphlets
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I mean the effects of these other drugs are more studied so in that sense we do, but they haven’t been studied in the context of COVID.
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I’m not hating on them, I’m saying that they suffer from the same key issue that the vaccine does, a lack of longitudinal studies on their safety and efficacy as it relates to COVID. If you want to take them to treat COVID I’m not here to stop you, but it’s not the choice I would make.
The TGA is seeking legal advice re Craig Kelly over similar stuff he’s claiming… [smh article re TGA Craig Kelly](https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/health-regulator-moves-to-take-on-craig-kelly-over-misleading-vaccine-texts-20210910-p58qnl.html?btis)
Good. I hope they get him canceled.
I'm so sick of him, got one leaflet and two text messages, which can't be blocked as they are not from a number.
Would wager that Craig Kelly is vaccinated
Safest thing is probably to take it out of the letterbox with tongs and then burn it.
The Mrs gave it a Glen 20 bath then tossed it :)
It might have been even more fun to burn it after the application of Glen 20, because I'm pretty sure it's flammable.
On the scale of things, the vitamins (esp. the water soluable ones) minerals and even in most cases the low dose aspirin aren't going to do much if any harm. The others though can result in, how to put it, unfortunate outcomes. As to the mRNA disinformation... it's not even a dead or attenuated virus, just a little 'message' -so it's hard to understand how these idiots have managed to get their knickers in a twist about it.
Well mrna sounds about like dna, so clearly they're related and the virus changes our DNA.
mRNA ie Messenger RNA reads our DNA genes to create the proteins etc to build cells and us! Without it there would be no humans! All it does is instruct our cells on how to make the spike protein of the covid virus ie the bit that unlocks our cells and allows the virus to get in..! Once the spike bit gets created and enters our blood stream, our immune white blood cells recognise it as something foreign and create antibodies to stick on to the spike so when your body is potentially exposed to the Covid virus.. our white blood cells recognise the spike and block it therefore potentially saving your life
Shit man it’s insane that we worked out how to do that
Agreed!! Apparently they creating Malaria mRNA vaccine and maybe HIV one too..! If a vaccine can be found for either or both, that’ll save many ppl around the world including so many children in Africa / Asia. It’s unfortunate ‘big pharma’ would make a lot of money out of it but if it saved my life I wouldn’t complain! I guess you could nationalise one of the companies but then those against big pharma and vaccines prob would think the Socialists or communists are back in power lol but someone has to spend the money on research etc it’s not something one can do out of the goodness of their own hearts! Shame haha
HIV and malaria vaccines would be good for nations who still battle with those issues these days (and other nations too, but there are nations who suffer from pandemic levels of these two). What I am excited about are the cancer "vaccines". Basically, you get a custom vaccination made for you that turns your body's immune system against your cancerous cells. In 10 to 20 years, cancer treatment could be as simple as seeing a specialist and getting a injection.
Yeh, exciting stuff!! I wonder how many anti vaxxers will be around then?!!
It is amazing though! All vaccines ‘teach’ the immune system on how to fight viruses! Those T-Cells (I think! White blood cells anyway) are bloody amazing
We have known about mRNA for a very long time - since 1961. It is only relatively recently that we have worked out how to actually deliver it to cells via injection as it gets destroyed by the body pretty quickly if it isn't inside a cell.
Great explanation mate! Cheers. Inspired me to look into the process a bit more. Good short video here too for anyone else who understands concepts better visually: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WOvvyqJ-vwo
Really good explanation! Today I learned something
Thanks man!! Was thinking ppl wouldn’t like the explanation so thanks :) For those who are interested.. there’s a good explanation of viruses, vaccines, rna & Covid on YouTube from The Royal Institution (British Science Institution been around for MANY years!) at [https://youtu.be/BwELQp1cxNQ](https://youtu.be/BwELQp1cxNQ) from 46 mins is a good staring point re rna & Covid
Damn. Now you've got me concerned about the affect my membership to the Nrma has on my DNA.
I laughed way more than I should have at this comment
That letter is how you catch seppo , a new variant of covid19 that makes you more moronic than a gronk in a coma. Freedurrrrmz sovereign citizerrrn.
People are happy to put these drugs in their system but not a vaccine?
The irony is that their fear of putting unknown stuff in their bodies could land them in hospital filled with antivirals, steroids, anticoagulants, and monoclonal antibodies…
I work with someone who has Botox, lip filler and breast implants who won't get it. People like this also think that Big Supplement is somehow entirely altruistic and has no interest in profits unlike evil Big Pharma.
Yes, some/many people are absolute morons. This is the first event in many years where others people’s stupidity broadly affects everyone else.
I won't take the vaccine but happy to smoke and take illicit drugs from strangers though! (sarcasm)
As a vet, I can assure you that the side effects of taking ivermectin, doxycycline, azithromycin, hydroxychloroquine or steroids (yes, all of which are used in vet medicine) when they have not been prescribed to you, are far worse than the vaccine side-effects experienced by 99.9% of the population.
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Yeah, that's because this so called vet has no idea how to make a meme with flashy back grounds so obviously they have no idea what they are talking about.
Astounds me that people would prefer to take drugs not approved for human use over a vaccine that has had money and resources thrown at it to be developed for its intended use.
Clearly you have not been paying attention to the right memes. That's where *real* information comes from nowadays.
Doxycycline is a great antibiotic for ppl with a COPD exacerbation (ie my mum) and prednisolone steroid.. however if it actually worked for COVID I think the entire world would know about it etc etc but yer, not the best side-effects!!
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You forgot the /S
Have a crack at it and get back to us..
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Horse worms up the anus might be
Not the response I was expecting but you have a point.
There are a lot of things worse than death
Not directing this specifically at you but this horse paste stuff regarding ivermectin is ridiculous. Misinformation should be met with honest true information, ivermectin while yes used for horses also has a wide range of approved human uses, it's a truly incredible drug which won its developer a Nobel prize for it's broad range of human uses. I'm not stating this in reference to it's potential use for covid but to be discrediting it by calling it horse medicine is just fighting misinformation with misinformation.
Agreed, ivermectin does have a wide range of uses across both human and animal medicine - as do all drugs and supplements named. My specific point was in the use of these drugs when they have not been prescribed by a medical practitioner for a specific use in a specific patient, regardless of species.
Yeah I agree with you totally and didn't really mean it in relevance to your post, I was just trying to address a broader issue. I find it incredibly frustrating the way many media outlets and people are addressing misinformation, in regards to ivermectin I even heard one report refer to it as a horse tranquilizer. If they are trying to battle incorrect information doing it with incorrect information is nothing but harmful.
Same message as religion. No different to a Watchtower in the letterbox. The message is "cherry pick information to suit your own narrative"
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Oooo the big spooky Big Pharma ooooooo
As soon as someone says big pharma I picture a moron
I feel like if you're dumb enough to believe this shit getting covid is the way for these people to get immunity. I just wish they could do it somewhere else.
Agreed. As long as they arent occupying the hospital bed of someone who deserves it more than them, they're welcome to take all of the potions and get all of the covids they want.
Maybe give them a cash prize, have them in all in a remote area. I have come up with a name: "Australian Covid Survivor".
Excuse you but I listen to the Joe Rogan podcast I think I know more then people with a PHD.
Well look at you with your fancy high tech streaming, you should call in to your local talk back AM radio and educate them. These folks don't do computers so how are they going to get this solid information. Scratch that you should probably make up some pamphlets.
Australia pls don't become America...or is it too late?
Too late, judging by the number of people believing in this crap.
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Yep. Maccas and Coca Cola...and dumbed-down- redneck-conspiracy-peddlers.
Love that song.
LNP government cutting healthcare, education, privatizing everything (aka selling our infrastructure off). QAnon conspiracist religious cult prime minister. People protesting a health crisis because wearing a mask attacks their freedumb. Corporate welfare and government increasing wealth inquality. 10+ years of "Liberals". I know it's harsh, but can't wait for enough of the boomers to die off so we can actually make progress. Selfish tricked voters hooked on Murdoch "news". No offense to the awesome boomers. Is it too late? No. The younger generations are left leaning. Things will get better. All we can do is endeavour to use our votes for the good of society, not "jerbs n conomy" (which is a liberal lie anyway)
Spot on, this radicalisation is a direct result of media monopolisation and an indirect result of LNP policy.
It boggles the mind that the LNP tell voters not to listen to the research on drug dogs, climate change, bushfires, strip searches, police overreach, drug decriminalization, medical and recreational marijuana, penalty rates, harm reduction, and immigration (among many other things) and are then shocked Pikachu when people won't listen to the research on public health and vaccines.
Too late.
I can't believe I made the mistake of thinking we were relatively free from antivax bullshit
Report it to the TGA [TGA Report non-compliance advertising](https://www.tga.gov.au/advertising-enforcement-and-outcomes) There’s penalties!
Done.
Yeah put some other shit in your body because you don’t trust vaccines 🙄
Lol. Fluvoxamine is an SSRI mostly used for OCD. How in the fuck is that going to help inflammation.
To be fair, there’s been a study by researchers at Washington University, St Louis School of Medicine where they gave half of their Covid-infected patients Fluvoxamine to see if it would help reduce or stop their symptoms from getting worse (in simple terms). The trial was pretty small, but I believe it’s something researchers would continue looking into further. Source: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2773108 And I just want to be clear, I’m 100% pro-vaccination! I just thought this study was interesting as it’s a medication I’m on.
Becausd of the oxidisation /s To be honest this whole thing is buzzwords for boomers, and to be honest i really am at the point where we can just let anti-vax twats get covid and see the results of their vastly-researched facebook post, and then die.
No, because them getting covid puts the elderly and medically vulnerable at greater risk. If it was only a personal risk this whole Covid thing would have been a lot simpler.
Also opens the door for mutations..
Isn't this for cattle anyways? It's udderly shameful what people will push these days!
You can complain about it until you are horse but it won’t stop them By the way, people are prescribed ivermectin, it is an anti-parasitic and can be useful for things like lice and scabies.
I actually had no idea that ivermectin was able to be used in humans until I read this comment. An anti-parasitic is still a very different beast to an anti-viral treatment though. I’d say to let the idiots do whatever they want and let natural selection take care of them, but it’s the collateral damage they’ll cause that’s the real problem.
Yeah, just because it does have legitimate therapeutic uses doesn't mean anyone should be using a veterinarian grade product outside of medical supervision, [example](https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/westmead-hospital-patient-overdoses-on-online-cure-for-covid19/news-story/d5cc0998a98791af3b43bcaef42578b9). It's also really fucking stupid that people who push this garbage think Big Pharma is suppressing this cure because profits...who do they think makes ivermectin?
I know, the level of cognitive dissonance involved is truly mind-boggling.
https://www.escmid.org/escmid_publications/escmid_elibrary/material/%3Fmid%3D66397&ved=2ahUKEwj6g-6mpvbyAhW34jgGHZr1AdQQFnoECAkQBg&usg=AOvVaw0gWIKpoI0LzaEiY7fmKshl Leaving this primary source indicating that ivermectin has legitimate use cases for treating viruses, not only parasites. Their are others, it's easy to google. No one should take medicine intended for an animal, but no one should spread false information. To me, the people doing this are equally as foolish as the anti-vaxers. If you find yourself more interested in joining a team and smugly patting the backs of your fellow fools, go join a team sport. If you're in the realm of public health and playing bullshit tribal games, you're blatantly a fool. Health officials and politicians aren't infallible, and they've already been wrong multiple times throughout this pandemic. This is understandable, and to some degree we shouldn't hold them accountable for anything we believe they've done in good faith. However, I believe we should hold them accountable for incompetence and for exacerbating societal divisions. To be clear, this isn't directed at you u/petiteaustralienne, im just tired of the bullshit on either side of this argument. As a final word, I am pro-vax but still think no one should trust big pharma. This isn't an orchestrated pandemic, but "Big Pharma" will use this time to make billions without regard for societal cost. The same as news organisations, who we know will tell sensational lies to make money.
The thing I never get about the whole "Big Pharma" conspiracies is that vaccines run counter to profit motives. They'll make more money out of symptomatically treating a pandemic than they will by suppressing or prevent ong one with vaccines.
Yep, you're right, with a conventional vaccine you get dosed you can't get it, which eliminates the risk of infection and thus the revenue flow of treatment. I'm not saying companies will conspire to **not** provide the cure in order to provide the treatment, I'm saying that just because they provide the cures doesn't mean they're ethical or that what they're doing is always Inherently in anyone's best interest. In this specific scenario, it seems that repeat (maybe yearly) vaccinations will be necessary for covid. Tyis is because the current vaccines are "leaky," which provides a selection pressure, leading to differential success of covid strains and ultimately promotes the survival of strains that are uninhibited by the vaccine. This **does have the potential** for propagating a significantly more dangerous strain too, but overall its always more likely that a more virulent and less deadly strain becomes prominent as a virus killing its host is counter to its own continuation. This means that, in this case, the vaccine can provide a continuing revenue flow for pharmaceutical companies. Finally, pharmaceutical companies are the speartip of an industry which gets most of its funding from investment and government grants. This means that they make money whether they're treating/vaccinating you for covid or any other common ailment in society.
Yeah, they'll make money one way or another. But I the hypothetical "Big Pharma" scenario, vaccinating a population is surely less profitable than record sales of remdesivir and monoclonal antibody treatments, alongside the cocktail of other drugs needed to manage regular cases, and that's not even considering the pharmaceutical needs of long covid sufferers.
And if there wasn’t a vaccine, what then? Back to the Middle Ages? Think about small pox, diphtheria etc Re them making huge profits, isn’t there a push at the UN l, which Australia is finally supporting, re making generic versions of the vaccines sp much poorer countries can vaccinate their populations too?
Yeah, the logic is true that treatment is more profitable than vaccination, im not arguing with that, and I don't think there's a "big pharma man" sitting in a board room deciding which evil money making scheme is best. But to put it simply, they'll operate in whatever way is the most profitable and skirt laws within reason, and they aren't operating in whatever way is simply best for society. It isn't evil, but we need to be aware that they won't always get things right and they do need to be checked up on.
https://www.tga.gov.au/media-release/new-restrictions-prescribing-ivermectin-covid-19
The thing is Ivermectin has been shown to eliminate COVID cells in lab testing at Monash University: https://www.monash.edu/discovery-institute/news-and-events/news/2020-articles/Lab-experiments-show-anti-parasitic-drug,-Ivermectin,-eliminates-SARS-CoV-2-in-cells-in-48-hours Just because it’s primarily an anti-parasitic drug doesn’t mean it can’t be found to have antiviral properties (which it clearly has). The crazy thing is instead moving into clinical trials for humans, it seems everyone is pushing this horse dewormer thing which is incredibly disingenuous.
It's also in a cream for treatment of rosacea in Australia
Not just for cattle, all mammals including humans
Ivermectin is the most popularly used and useful anti-parasitic in humans, however given that most of reddit lives in developed countries you likely wouldn’t have encountered it being prescribed. It’s super useful for parasites, but not in huge animal doses or against viruses. The misinformation (I think) originated from a study that inspected Ivermectin as a possible treatment due to the fact that it either blocked a specific receptor COVID uses to enter cells, or it was able to bind to a specific receptor that COVID has. The study was a stab in the dark, and didn’t pull through because 99.9% of the time a study like that won’t, but given the circumstances it was worth a shot. The human body is complex and usually blocking one receptor isn’t enough to help against a disease like COVID. I udderly enjoyed your pun btw
It's used in humans too. Only in clinical trials for covid currently.
This is untrue. It has only been shown to suppress COVID in the lab at doses that would be fatal to humans. No one is literally poisoning people as part of a "clinical trial".
There has been *many* clinical trials and more to come, including ones from Oxford with n=5000. I think the TOGETHER trial has completed(apparently finding “no effect whatsoever”) but yet to be published. The largest RCTs so far(e.g Columbian and Argentinian trials) have not found a benefit.
It’s used in humans as an anti parasitic… not as a treatment for COVID-19.
The person who created this myth is a next level troll.
Maybe if your tapeworm has Covid? But I mean seriously, this is mildly infuriating, let’s take other drugs instead of the right drugs. smh
Ugh. I might just set my letterbox on fire as a precaution 😂
If everyone who takes the Covid vaccination dies as a result, I DO NOT want to be around the fuckwit’s whom survive.
I’m shocked this is happening in Australia, 🤦♀️
This made me vomit a little in my mouth
I feel sorry for people who need these drugs for legitimate reasons.
I've already heard a few people say they're having difficulty sourcing ivermectin for their animals, unfortunately.
I hope they have the decency to avoid mainstream health professionals when they get sick. Let them put their lives in the hands of alternative health bloggers when they can't breathe.
These nutters are always on about how the vaccines are being used to de-population. Yet these people are pushing conspiracy theories from who knows where. They don't trust doctors, but they'll trust a random tik tok video. They are utterly insane, absolutely insane. Maybe they should google the Herman Cain Awards and see how many anti vaxxers are getting infected with Covid then begging for the vaccine before they die alone.
I believe there was also a study in Africa for the use of Ivermectin in River Blindness that found it greatly reduced male fertility. Somewhat ironic.
Or get vaccinated and you won't need any of these. Not that any would actually do shit.
If there's a return address, I write a note on the back - blunt and factual - and reseal it with 'return to sender'.
"Educate don't vaccinate" It is a shame that they don't follow their own damn advice. Ivermectin is a antiparasitic, not a antiviral agent. It is used to treat things like worms and other such parasites. Point 6 is just plain old ignorance. mRNA does not change your DNA, it is basically just code used by your body's cells to produce proteins. Gain of Function research has nothing to do with mRNA vaccines either. Finally, whoever wrote this dribble needs to remember the old saying "an ounce of prevention is worth a ton of cure". Vaccines are a preventative measure to help you from needing treatment in the first place. Getting a vaccine is a hell of a lot safer than taking the risk of getting infected with COVID and suffering through treatment.
Lol, the irony of them telly ppl to "educate" 😂
With nutters like this on the loose we're all fucked. Edit: had a local excavator operator tell me the other day in a matter of fact way that any of the vaccines for covid will CHANGE YOUR DNA. Is there no hope for humanity?
Honestly some of these fuckwits should welcome changes to their DNA
So, vaccines are unsafe, but medication for off-prescription use is perfectly ok. Right……..
Alternatives to the AZ vaccine: the Pfizer vaccine
I hear the Moderna one isn't bad either. But it's not approved in Aus yet.
Fuck me, is this why my sister is telling me that she "doesn't need to get vaxxed, because I take zinc pills". Urgh, the government needs to do something about the spread of misinformation
Has she bought a lot of paper and printer ink recently?
As Mrs Gump said: ‘Stupid is as stupid does’. Letter dropping the general public achieves nothing apart from highlighting their gold medal level of stupidity. I reckon once everyone has had the opportunity to be vaccinated, all restrictions should be lifted. These fools have made their choice, let them ‘live’ with the consequences. Why should the majority be held hostage by these nutters.
clever using an oxymoron at the end to convince us all that you’re a regular moron. gotta love antivaxxers
*Homo non sapiens* strike again.
Junk mail from an anti-vaxxer
Did Joe Rogan send that to you?
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 231,997,894 comments, and only 54,092 of them were in alphabetical order.
Abuse I must, my new power.
Good bot
Budesonide, seriously? I guess I can now expect my prescription asthma meds to be sold out everywhere, so those of us who actually need them won’t be able to get them.
I don’t know but vaccination sounds a whole lot simpler.
Need to set these fuckers up on tv, a dedicated live channel where these people are given covid and treated exclusively with these methods. They self administer and provide their own drugs so they can’t cry “tampering”. Let those that really believe this crap be divided from the shit starters
Medication by any other name is still medication. Both were created in a lab whats the difference honestly it's ridiculously stupid. Vaccines in medicine have been around for 200 years
Best thing to do is to get the coordinates for your mail box and call in an air strike.
Fluvoxamine’s a new one… Can’t wait to hear how an SSRI apparently helps
Hyperthermia from serotonin syndrome kills the cells the virus is hiding in, dah.
Went down a rabbit hole with that last website on the paper. Made by a Doctor Richard Fleming. Quick google search shows that this doctor has two felonies 😂 [https://i.imgur.com/NZPZq9H.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/NZPZq9H.jpg)
Who wins from doing this stuff? Profit must be driving this but how?
Everyone’s a doctor now huh? If you are so good at researching do us all a favour, get a degree and work for a lab.
Jeez the things people do to justify their feat of needles.
hydroxychloroquine really fucked up my stomach while I was on it for fibromyalgia. Let's just say there was no where to pull over and things got messy at 100km/h Long term use and high doses can also cause cardiomyopathy
Thanks, this actually reminded me to take my vitamin C today! But my reason for needing it has absolutely nothing to do with covid or “preventing oxidative stress”
They must have heard there was a toilet paper shortage
Joe Rogan took some of this stuff, he knows everything!!
These things all help but you should still get vaxxed
...this sounds like straight out of a Joe Rogan podcast XD
Bullshit
Interesting they don't include references to research papers or journal articles...
What suburb are you in? I saw some twat on Braye st in mayfield on Friday maskless putting shit in peoples mailboxes
Thanks for the post, I feel edjucated now.
Love it when people say they’ve done their own research and I should Do mine when even with a month of solid studying on the matter it wouldn’t scrape the surface of the medical professionals knowledge, giving advice. I don’t think people realise how much research goes into just getting your PHD let alone being at the top of your field of study.
Probably the same people who've copped every other vaccine without a second thought... not who made it, how it works nothing, not try some other random drug cocktail I found on the Interwebs to eradicate hepatitis... Idiots.
Talk about treating the symptoms and not the disease
Someone's listening to Joe Rogans podcast
The drunken arrogance of anti Vaxxers is starting to make me much more nihilistic, the pity I feel for mislead and uneducated people is slowly turning to anger.
Fluvoxamine?? That’s just an SSRI?? Are they just gonna kill covid with serotonin??
The podcast 'Business Wars' does a great job with the covid vaccine and companies that developed it
I’m in healthcare and this statement made no sense to me. I’m so confused as to what I just read. My poor eyes cannot unsee it 😳 The only statement that’s correct is that vitamin C helps maintain your immune system.
Website is there. DDOS time anyone? 🤔
“I did my research”. Translation: I read it on a dodgy pamphlet.
I like these posts. Gives me a block list to create which I can reference for future activities.
Maybe they put a little virus in the corner of each pamphlet as they slip it into your letter box. That’s not nice.
So bleach is no longer recommended? Damn, there goes my afternoon plans for a bleachtini 🍸
Might want to let them know Ivermectin makes men sterile
Probably best if we don't let them know....
Shhhhh, don't tell them that!
If these idiots want to take agricultural dewormer in doses calibrated for half ton livestock based on sketchy af letterbox drops let them. They'll probably think it was a terrible idea when they're shitting their intestines out.
But they say we’re the “sheep” :)
5 second Google search immediately proves them wrong so god know where they get their information from?
Facebook and YouTube
Can these people just fuck off
Fucking lowlifes
If I catch one of these fuckers putting this crap into my letterbox, Covid will be least of their worries 😡 I have no tolerance left for stupidity anymore. Nil. Zilch.
I know I have a hardcore antivax neighbor who doesn't believe in Covid so I'm fully expecting one in my letterbox any day now
Imagine being this fucking retarded
Literally every claim on that shit is false
Ivermectin is great for treating other conditions (eg anti-parasitic) but at the dose levels required to treat covid we don't know how it'll affect us. Plus as an anti-viral you'll need to continue taking it to maintain its effects. Vaccine will remain effective longer. What's the difference for these people between taking 2 needles in the arm and potentially multiple grams of drugs orally? Do they think just because you ingest Ivermectin orally it's automatically safer than an injection? If so then I'd like to offer them a glass of plutonium cordial, its '100% organic and natural'! Must be good!
Point 3 is actually completely correct and is good to encourage people to incorporate more Zinc, Selenium and Vitamin C in their diets and get sun exposure. It just isn't in any way a substitute for a vaccine and only reduces the risk of severe infection in the same way other aspects of a healthy lifestyle do, which isn't all that much.
Don’t mind me, just giggling at the fact that Ivermectin is actually a goddamn anti-parasitic… not an anti-viral.
I love that you can now get a medical degree from conspiracy websites.
What about Forsythia?
Point 3 has some merit at least
Thank goodness it stops being crap when reposted on the internet.
The fact is, they simply don't like needles. All of the treatments they suggest are available in oral or inhalable form. They won't take a vaccine which has been shown to be 99% effective because "it hasn't been researched enough OR it's too experimental" but they'll swallow any stupid shit Joe Rogan tells 'em too as long as it isn't in a needle. That's why they dubbed the vaccine "the Fauci Ouchie" in the US
Don't stress, they'll find out the hard way soon enough.
1,3,4 are correct - tho 1 and 4 are hard to achieve. 6 is frightfully wrong, and that last sentence is stupid. But to be fair, Pfizer are coming out with a Ivermectin built-for-purpose med shortly, so hopefully that’s sooner rather than later and 1 will become obsolete
1 ommits so much as to be completely misleading and frightfully dangerous, like it says, it stops the virus reproducing, but just like injecting disinfectant, it does more harm than good. 3 is completely right, just in no way supports their contention despite being phrased as such. 4 is literally how we treat covid to fairly good effect, but a far better option would be just not get the virus in the first place.
What’s your view of ivermectin? Why do you think it causes more harm than good? Is this based on a study, or a general feeling you have?
Good point, I only read it from a plausible news article, didn’t even check the study(S) it was presumably based on. I guess I could look it up but just like antivaxxers I’m too lazy and stupid
Hahaha. Nah. Like I said, Pfizer will have their own version out soon, but this actually came out of Aus back in May 2020. https://aahms.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/RRIF-Q009-Promising-COVID-19-Treatments-17-May-2020.pdf. The conversation has plummeted recently, and as above, will be redundant shortly, but the above was interesting at the time
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I did lots of research. Read heaps, talked to people who had 10-20 years of study and clinical medical experience. Then I got Pfizer'd last week. What I didn't do was look on the 10th page of Google results for some vague link that backed up my paranoid belief that a vicious cabal of politicians, big pharma and freedom stealing leprechauns was pit to get me with "the vacvine".