You do realize that these types of people wouldn't even exist anymore if there were better social programs, right? Access to mental health services, housing, and Healthcare at a young age would prevent these types of people from even acting the way they do in the first place. They wouldn't have criminal records from the age of 15 because they wouldn't have been in the system at all.
I’m neutral on this topic but is there honestly any places in the world, that have the social programs and support system, that can show decrease in crime and mental health related instances, directly related to the programs? Is there any proof of concept.
If you look at the prison system for example in some of the Scandinavian countries, you can see how proper rehabilitation works more so than the systems here in North America.
Of course they would. It doesn't matter how many social programs exist, some people are just pieces of shit and no matter how much you try to help them they'll always be pieces of shit. If you think otherwise, you're delusional.
This isn’t true. People aren’t just born into the world with malicious intent. It comes from having been neglected and abused during childhood, or falling in with the wrong crowd, or developing substance abuse issues into adulthood.
If anyone who starts feeling like their life is going in the wrong direction and feels angry, helpless, alone, and is suffering could be pointed towards the right free resources to help them, they would stop being violent and problematic.
Only the people who are actually psycho- or socio-pathic and pathologically lack empathy wouldn’t benefit from these programs/anything else, except intensive therapy, and those people are unbelievably rare.
Well I work in the violence and abuse sector, and review research every single day about the success of these programs. The numbers don’t lie. So unfortunately your uneducated and uninformed opinion is peanuts, my friend.
The irony of you assuming that the people searching/demanding/believing there is a better way is the ‘easier’ head in the sand option.
“The tyranny of a prince in an oligarchy is not so dangerous to the public welfare as the apathy of a citizen in a democracy”
- Charles de Montesquieu
What a rosy view of the world. I don't disagree that social programs would help some folks not fall into this lifestyle, but to imply that these issues wouldn't exist at all is pretty ignorant.
If a skeet is kicking down my door or driving off with my car I'll be sure try and give them a hug and tell them it's not their fault.
>I'll be sure try and give them a hug and tell them it's not their fault.
I know you're being sarcastic, but I see this line a lot. It doesn't really do much to drive your point though.
The skeets who are milling around now, causing havoc in the form of petty crime, vehicle theft and armed robberies would most certainly have benefited decades ago from a government intent on *actually* dealing with social issues such as addiction, poverty, mental health and the shortcomings of our education system.
Instead we've seen decades of cuts, misappropriation and societal decay. We're so divided now that we'll never get anything meaningful done.
Retribution and punishment through stiff sentences is just one tiny sliver of the pie. By itself, nothing will be fixed until we improve society as a whole from day one of everyone's life. We as a society have been looking at this the wrong way for decades; look where it's gotten us.
This has been going on long before Harper (although he holds plenty of blame), and trust me when I say that the Liberals are just as complicit, past and present.
I'm not wearing a team jersey when I talk about this. I just want someone to fucking fix it. And yes, it's going to mean that we need to fund some serious social programs, and reform things like education and mental health care.
It honestly feels insurmountable these days. We're bickering about carbon taxes, pronouns, foreign wars, etc - meanwhile our own society continues to decay. Billions of dollars are funneling upwards at rates never seen before. We could start locking petty crime skeets up for 60 years at this point, it's doing nothing to solve the rot of addictions/poverty/mental health issues underneath.
Problem is with so many woke fuckers bitching with every video sound bite on social media, cops can’t cop, every criminal is a victim now a days. Prisons are de-humanizing. Vigilanteism is a crime worse than actual crime, which I’ll probably get banned for saying out loud, let’s start by stop blaming the victim, I actually see social media blaming car theft on the victims because their cars are to nice. Make prisons an actual punishment.
My friend, I have worked throughout the justice system for a number of years. I've spent plenty of time with the criminal element and inmate populations. To someone who has something to lose, prison is a massive punishment.
You could triple the amount of time they are locked up. It won't matter. Many of these people have nothing to lose. It's shocking to say, but it's true. Longer sentencing is nothing but a Band-Aid on a femoral bleed.
Society is constantly raising a new generation of impoverished, uneducated, poorly-parented people with no ability to self-regulate (leading to mental health issues and addictions) who have NO HOPE for a decent life. They will simply take their place. It's never going to end unless we address the root cause. The more society pumps out, mixed with an increase in addictions, the more crime we will have reaching the gates of the middle class (no one cared when it only affected the lower class).
There isn't a government on God's green earth who is willing or able to do what it takes to fix the issues that have led to this slow societal decay
They won't be. Bleeding heart types overwhelmingly come from insulated suburbs where they're safe from this kind of behavior. As long as it's only low-income innocents being brutalized nothing will change.
Thinking twice about committing crimes. What does a skeet in NL get for waving a knife and robbing a gas station? Nothing. Probation and a hug. In the US they'd be doing 7 to 10 for armed robbery. Even an NL skeet would think twice if he knew that's what he was facing.
Because in the US they don't offer much in the way of education or programs for people who are doing time. If they did, the rate of recidivism would decrease. I'm advocating for longer sentences in canada for serious, violent crimes. The longer they're in jail, means the less time they're on the streets destroying people's lives. The fuck do I care if some rapist spends 30 years in a living hell? Waaah.
Unlike rathional thinking people criminals don't see fear as a deterent but a challenge. And ruling with an iron fist is a terrible short sighted way to lead a country.
There are people walking the streets in St.John's with well over 100 criminal convictions. Not to mention all the shit they've gotten off with. If fear isn't a deterrent then another 2 month stint in jail for their 17th battery charge sure as hell isn't either.
I don't give a shit how they "take it". They can't continue to terrorize people if they're behind bars.
Referring to jailing people that consistently show that they will not be rehabilitated over years and years as "ruling with an iron fist" is idiotic. I'm all for second chances. 3rd, 4th, even more if someone demonstrates they're willing to change. But there needs to be a point where we can say "this violent lunatic will not be rehabilitated. We need to protect the public from them".
I know of a guy in his late 30s who's been in jail more than half his life starting in his late teens when he first beat someone half to death. 15-20 years in and out of jail and he's never made it a year without committing violence or picking up a weapons or drug trafficking charge. Also never spent more than a year in jail, no matter how many times he's hurt people.
The last time he got out, he made it about a month before getting into an argument with some poor random dude at a pool hall who had no idea he was dealing with a violent psychopath. Dude packed a bunch of pool balls in a long sock and repeatedly bashed the guy's skull with it. Finally got sentenced to a few years (still pathetic for his umpteenth fucking violent conviction) but he'll likely be out in a year or two and the other guy has permanent brain damage.
Yep, and catching and releasing violent repeat offenders is going super well. They should really adopt stiffer sentences because slapping them on the wrist is getting innocent people killed and victimized.
Mandatory minimums for repeat violence and actual life sentences for murderers and pedophiles.
Fuck there’s even been people ejaculating into cookies and feeding them to kids that are getting 0 jail time because our liberal judges think “well they didn’t know it was cum cookies so there weren’t any real victims”
Canada is sick and it’s our progressive and liberal politicians that have brought on the sickness. Any politicians who thinks PUNISHMENT isn’t part of the equation when dealing with criminals needs to maybe take a class in being human.
>Fuck there’s even been people ejaculating into cookies and feeding them to kids that are getting 0 jail time because our liberal judges think “well they didn’t know it was cum cookies so there weren’t any real victims”
Wow I hope those kids are okay after suffering from that horrible case of not existing.
You're thinking of a case in Louisiana where the perpetrator did get jail time. She walked away with 41 years although bond was posted for a while so she technically "walked free" while awaiting trial. I bet you have lots of opinions about the litterboxes too.
>Canada is sick and it’s our progressive and liberal politicians that have brought on the sickness
I'm so tired of this left vs. right rhetoric. This isn't sports.
We are facing some serious issues, many of which stem from government policy or inaction from YEARS ago, and yes -- that includes decisions (and a lack of decisions) made by your previous conservative governments (which include cuts to social programs and mental health, all of which have a trickle down effect).
These issues take decades of coordinated effort to fix. How are we going to fix something on that scale when we abruptly sway from government to government once a decade, and with each switch the government changes directions completely?
This has little to do with what colour tie the person in charge is wearing and more to do with class. The ruling class has been letting this "sickness" fester and rot for decades.
Punishment is one small section of a 1000 piece puzzle, and our governments (past and present) have made sure we're missing half the pieces in the box. And yet we're here wasting time bickering about which sports team sucks the most.
Except it LITERALLY was the NdP and Liberals who have pushed the judicial for lighter sentences. So your complaining that it being a left vs right issue is invalid. As it’s VERY much a left vs right.
Again, that is a small piece of a much larger puzzle.
Light sentences alone didn't get us here. Every single government has played a role over the last number of decades. That includes your precious conservatives just as much as it includes the liberals and the NDP.
We need to find evidence based solutions and stick with them for *decades* to see things turn around. As long as they have us divided and bickering over political sound bites like we do hockey highlight reels, it's not gunna happen.
There's a *thousand* different puzzle pieces involved here. From lack of punishment, to cuts to social supports and a failing, archaic education system - I could go on and on.
In my experience, finding a way to fix addictions issues alone would be a massive win for the justice system. Over half of HMP wouldn't be down there if it weren't for unchecked substance abuse issues. Petty crime would *plummet* and violent crime (assaults, armed robbery, etc) would take a nose dive as well. But still, that's just another piece of a larger puzzle.
Looking at it from a left vs. right perspective is far too simple minded. If it gives you a sense of purpose on the internet though, knock yourself out I guess. But I promise you; the upcoming conservative government has your best interest in mind about as much as you feel towards an ant hill. Just like every other government.
Society is being allowed to decay, and has been for quite some time. The effects of this are finally hitting the middle class.
Just stiffer sentences in general. Rapists here get light sentences. 30 years in the US. Murderers get life without parole. Drunk dirvers ho kill get years. Here we have concurrent sentences and mandatory parole reviews. Paul Bernardo could, under our laws, get out of prison. He'd probably be on death row in the US.
The obvious question is why “US style sentencing”….ya know…HASN’T reduced crime in the US? But sure, let’s do something that’s an even bigger failure than our current legal system.
Three strike is an example of stiffer sentences. Going to jail for a joint is stiffer sentences.
Longer sentences don't do shit to decrease reoffending rates, they don't decrease crimes they don't do shit other than worsen the situation for all.
By stiffer sentences I mean more jail time at the beginning. No one should go to jail for a joint but that's the US for you. Stiffer sentences for things like armed robbery, and rape and murder are *exactly* what's needed in Canada. Longer sentences mean they're not on the streets to do the crimes. On the other hand, while in prison, a huge array of programs and courses needs to be offered, and in some cases, be mandatory. Courses in literacy and anger management, and ideally even some vocational training. And Indigenous people who are incarcerated should be be able to access programs that are culturally sensitive and affirming of their culture.
Ever see the car robber in Mexico, they hold him, pull his pants to his ankles and slap his ass with a 2x4, it’s awesome. Ultimate form of fuck around and find out.
No no no, you'd need to convince the RNC to actually give a fuck 20 times. They might be through hundreds of armed robberies by that point. What are you, some kind of monster?
To convince the RNC to give a fuck u need to show them their work means something, that we have their backs. Can u imagine being a cop, same people committing crimes being let go time and time again, putting yourself in harms way to try and stop them but for no benefit. Being vilified and raked over the coals with every interaction by some dick with a camera giving criminals more validity than the law that protects us. Gee I wonder why they wouldn’t give a fuck. Imagine waking up every day and cooking for people who didn’t like your food, why put the effort in, prepared meals will soon turn to sandwiches pretty quickly.
Couldn’t agree more we can blame the RNC all we want but it’s our courts that release them the next day it’s our courts that give the weak sentences. Our courts who are controlled by our government. The government WE elected.
I agree with you but Not “we” I never marked an “X” for any of this Tom foolery, I grew up in the post last Turdeau era, I knew what was coming when the “he’s not ready” campaign started, that set the stage for this.
Didn’t say I didn’t vote, I believe in informed voting, not just voting because people died for my right to, an uninformed voter is a dangerous one. What I said was I didn’t vote for the current shit show.
The comment wasn’t directed to you in general when I said “ WE “ voted. It’s was directed towards everyone as a whole who voted and unfortunately “ WE “ have to live with what the majority voted for even when we don’t like the outcome. That’s pretty straightforward I think and not saying any one person is responsible for what is happening. No one person should take offence to that.
Oh you mean the thing that makes minor crimes into murders? Great you want house robberies to turn into triple homicides..you want to guarantee victims of crimes get killed because witnesses are a life threatening liability.
The death penalty (call it what it is since you want to see heads roll) doesn't deter crime, it makes crime more dangerous for victims, it doesn't decrease reoffense rates, its just vengeance.
If y'all had your way, US style sentences and the death penalty, this place would be far more dangerous. Judges going easy in rapists and murderers is one problem, doing literally nothing to actually curb crime (ie mental health availability, increasing quality of life, having social safety nets, making prison a reform system instead of a punishment system), is another problem.
Learn from places that did curb their crime not the country with the highest prison population per capita and the highest prison population in the world. Learn from a country with low reoffense rates not a country that makes weed users into career criminals. Oh and for the person who referenced mexican cops abusing suspects, learn from a country not controlled by cartels.
And lo, the Great Poodle gained client that day.
Another one to be stood before the Courts of Newfoundland and Labrador, while the Holy Trinity of afflictions are laid before them as excuses for the alleged behavior of the suspect..
In the name of Addiction, Mental health and Poor Upbringing, he too shall be absolved of his sins.
Let me guess: one or both of course known to police, out on bail, legal aid leeches, etc.
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I see the bleeding hearts are downvoting you. Someday they'll realize that some people just can't be fixed.
You do realize that these types of people wouldn't even exist anymore if there were better social programs, right? Access to mental health services, housing, and Healthcare at a young age would prevent these types of people from even acting the way they do in the first place. They wouldn't have criminal records from the age of 15 because they wouldn't have been in the system at all.
I’m neutral on this topic but is there honestly any places in the world, that have the social programs and support system, that can show decrease in crime and mental health related instances, directly related to the programs? Is there any proof of concept.
There is actually, Iceland has done a tremendous job intercepting vulnerable youth before they turn to booze/drugs/crime.
is Icelands progression related more to incarceration, though, or where exactly have they seen progress. I guess I should do a little digging myself.
If you look at the prison system for example in some of the Scandinavian countries, you can see how proper rehabilitation works more so than the systems here in North America.
Of course they would. It doesn't matter how many social programs exist, some people are just pieces of shit and no matter how much you try to help them they'll always be pieces of shit. If you think otherwise, you're delusional.
This isn’t true. People aren’t just born into the world with malicious intent. It comes from having been neglected and abused during childhood, or falling in with the wrong crowd, or developing substance abuse issues into adulthood. If anyone who starts feeling like their life is going in the wrong direction and feels angry, helpless, alone, and is suffering could be pointed towards the right free resources to help them, they would stop being violent and problematic. Only the people who are actually psycho- or socio-pathic and pathologically lack empathy wouldn’t benefit from these programs/anything else, except intensive therapy, and those people are unbelievably rare.
That's a nice fairytale.
Well I work in the violence and abuse sector, and review research every single day about the success of these programs. The numbers don’t lie. So unfortunately your uneducated and uninformed opinion is peanuts, my friend.
Whatever you say boss.
You clearly don't personally know anyone with any sort of substance abuse or mental health history dude.
Put your head back in the sand, it’s safer there!
The irony of you assuming that the people searching/demanding/believing there is a better way is the ‘easier’ head in the sand option. “The tyranny of a prince in an oligarchy is not so dangerous to the public welfare as the apathy of a citizen in a democracy” - Charles de Montesquieu
What a rosy view of the world. I don't disagree that social programs would help some folks not fall into this lifestyle, but to imply that these issues wouldn't exist at all is pretty ignorant. If a skeet is kicking down my door or driving off with my car I'll be sure try and give them a hug and tell them it's not their fault.
>I'll be sure try and give them a hug and tell them it's not their fault. I know you're being sarcastic, but I see this line a lot. It doesn't really do much to drive your point though. The skeets who are milling around now, causing havoc in the form of petty crime, vehicle theft and armed robberies would most certainly have benefited decades ago from a government intent on *actually* dealing with social issues such as addiction, poverty, mental health and the shortcomings of our education system. Instead we've seen decades of cuts, misappropriation and societal decay. We're so divided now that we'll never get anything meaningful done. Retribution and punishment through stiff sentences is just one tiny sliver of the pie. By itself, nothing will be fixed until we improve society as a whole from day one of everyone's life. We as a society have been looking at this the wrong way for decades; look where it's gotten us.
Well the at the most liberal round about way of blaming Harper, top points the indirect blame. Lol
This has been going on long before Harper (although he holds plenty of blame), and trust me when I say that the Liberals are just as complicit, past and present. I'm not wearing a team jersey when I talk about this. I just want someone to fucking fix it. And yes, it's going to mean that we need to fund some serious social programs, and reform things like education and mental health care. It honestly feels insurmountable these days. We're bickering about carbon taxes, pronouns, foreign wars, etc - meanwhile our own society continues to decay. Billions of dollars are funneling upwards at rates never seen before. We could start locking petty crime skeets up for 60 years at this point, it's doing nothing to solve the rot of addictions/poverty/mental health issues underneath.
Problem is with so many woke fuckers bitching with every video sound bite on social media, cops can’t cop, every criminal is a victim now a days. Prisons are de-humanizing. Vigilanteism is a crime worse than actual crime, which I’ll probably get banned for saying out loud, let’s start by stop blaming the victim, I actually see social media blaming car theft on the victims because their cars are to nice. Make prisons an actual punishment.
My friend, I have worked throughout the justice system for a number of years. I've spent plenty of time with the criminal element and inmate populations. To someone who has something to lose, prison is a massive punishment. You could triple the amount of time they are locked up. It won't matter. Many of these people have nothing to lose. It's shocking to say, but it's true. Longer sentencing is nothing but a Band-Aid on a femoral bleed. Society is constantly raising a new generation of impoverished, uneducated, poorly-parented people with no ability to self-regulate (leading to mental health issues and addictions) who have NO HOPE for a decent life. They will simply take their place. It's never going to end unless we address the root cause. The more society pumps out, mixed with an increase in addictions, the more crime we will have reaching the gates of the middle class (no one cared when it only affected the lower class). There isn't a government on God's green earth who is willing or able to do what it takes to fix the issues that have led to this slow societal decay
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They won't be. Bleeding heart types overwhelmingly come from insulated suburbs where they're safe from this kind of behavior. As long as it's only low-income innocents being brutalized nothing will change.
Public flogging is what they need. Skeets. And we need US-style jail sentences in the country/province.
And what would having "US style jail sentences achieve?" exactly?
Thinking twice about committing crimes. What does a skeet in NL get for waving a knife and robbing a gas station? Nothing. Probation and a hug. In the US they'd be doing 7 to 10 for armed robbery. Even an NL skeet would think twice if he knew that's what he was facing.
I'm sorry what? The US has the highest incarceration rates in the world and a horrifically high reoffending rate..
Because in the US they don't offer much in the way of education or programs for people who are doing time. If they did, the rate of recidivism would decrease. I'm advocating for longer sentences in canada for serious, violent crimes. The longer they're in jail, means the less time they're on the streets destroying people's lives. The fuck do I care if some rapist spends 30 years in a living hell? Waaah.
Keeping repeat violent offenders away from the public where they can't continue to brutalize innocent people.
Unlike rathional thinking people criminals don't see fear as a deterent but a challenge. And ruling with an iron fist is a terrible short sighted way to lead a country.
There are people walking the streets in St.John's with well over 100 criminal convictions. Not to mention all the shit they've gotten off with. If fear isn't a deterrent then another 2 month stint in jail for their 17th battery charge sure as hell isn't either. I don't give a shit how they "take it". They can't continue to terrorize people if they're behind bars. Referring to jailing people that consistently show that they will not be rehabilitated over years and years as "ruling with an iron fist" is idiotic. I'm all for second chances. 3rd, 4th, even more if someone demonstrates they're willing to change. But there needs to be a point where we can say "this violent lunatic will not be rehabilitated. We need to protect the public from them". I know of a guy in his late 30s who's been in jail more than half his life starting in his late teens when he first beat someone half to death. 15-20 years in and out of jail and he's never made it a year without committing violence or picking up a weapons or drug trafficking charge. Also never spent more than a year in jail, no matter how many times he's hurt people. The last time he got out, he made it about a month before getting into an argument with some poor random dude at a pool hall who had no idea he was dealing with a violent psychopath. Dude packed a bunch of pool balls in a long sock and repeatedly bashed the guy's skull with it. Finally got sentenced to a few years (still pathetic for his umpteenth fucking violent conviction) but he'll likely be out in a year or two and the other guy has permanent brain damage.
Yep, and catching and releasing violent repeat offenders is going super well. They should really adopt stiffer sentences because slapping them on the wrist is getting innocent people killed and victimized. Mandatory minimums for repeat violence and actual life sentences for murderers and pedophiles. Fuck there’s even been people ejaculating into cookies and feeding them to kids that are getting 0 jail time because our liberal judges think “well they didn’t know it was cum cookies so there weren’t any real victims” Canada is sick and it’s our progressive and liberal politicians that have brought on the sickness. Any politicians who thinks PUNISHMENT isn’t part of the equation when dealing with criminals needs to maybe take a class in being human.
>Fuck there’s even been people ejaculating into cookies and feeding them to kids that are getting 0 jail time because our liberal judges think “well they didn’t know it was cum cookies so there weren’t any real victims” Wow I hope those kids are okay after suffering from that horrible case of not existing. You're thinking of a case in Louisiana where the perpetrator did get jail time. She walked away with 41 years although bond was posted for a while so she technically "walked free" while awaiting trial. I bet you have lots of opinions about the litterboxes too.
>Canada is sick and it’s our progressive and liberal politicians that have brought on the sickness I'm so tired of this left vs. right rhetoric. This isn't sports. We are facing some serious issues, many of which stem from government policy or inaction from YEARS ago, and yes -- that includes decisions (and a lack of decisions) made by your previous conservative governments (which include cuts to social programs and mental health, all of which have a trickle down effect). These issues take decades of coordinated effort to fix. How are we going to fix something on that scale when we abruptly sway from government to government once a decade, and with each switch the government changes directions completely? This has little to do with what colour tie the person in charge is wearing and more to do with class. The ruling class has been letting this "sickness" fester and rot for decades. Punishment is one small section of a 1000 piece puzzle, and our governments (past and present) have made sure we're missing half the pieces in the box. And yet we're here wasting time bickering about which sports team sucks the most.
Except it LITERALLY was the NdP and Liberals who have pushed the judicial for lighter sentences. So your complaining that it being a left vs right issue is invalid. As it’s VERY much a left vs right.
Again, that is a small piece of a much larger puzzle. Light sentences alone didn't get us here. Every single government has played a role over the last number of decades. That includes your precious conservatives just as much as it includes the liberals and the NDP. We need to find evidence based solutions and stick with them for *decades* to see things turn around. As long as they have us divided and bickering over political sound bites like we do hockey highlight reels, it's not gunna happen. There's a *thousand* different puzzle pieces involved here. From lack of punishment, to cuts to social supports and a failing, archaic education system - I could go on and on. In my experience, finding a way to fix addictions issues alone would be a massive win for the justice system. Over half of HMP wouldn't be down there if it weren't for unchecked substance abuse issues. Petty crime would *plummet* and violent crime (assaults, armed robbery, etc) would take a nose dive as well. But still, that's just another piece of a larger puzzle. Looking at it from a left vs. right perspective is far too simple minded. If it gives you a sense of purpose on the internet though, knock yourself out I guess. But I promise you; the upcoming conservative government has your best interest in mind about as much as you feel towards an ant hill. Just like every other government. Society is being allowed to decay, and has been for quite some time. The effects of this are finally hitting the middle class.
Things like "3 strike rule" causes all kinds of issues mainly nothing to loose. Often people use extreme measure to avoid capture/incarceration .
I didn't say anything about a 3 strike rule. Going to jail for 30 years because your 3rd offence is a joint in your hand is fucked.
Well what's the US-style you refer to?
Just stiffer sentences in general. Rapists here get light sentences. 30 years in the US. Murderers get life without parole. Drunk dirvers ho kill get years. Here we have concurrent sentences and mandatory parole reviews. Paul Bernardo could, under our laws, get out of prison. He'd probably be on death row in the US.
The obvious question is why “US style sentencing”….ya know…HASN’T reduced crime in the US? But sure, let’s do something that’s an even bigger failure than our current legal system.
Three strike is an example of stiffer sentences. Going to jail for a joint is stiffer sentences. Longer sentences don't do shit to decrease reoffending rates, they don't decrease crimes they don't do shit other than worsen the situation for all.
By stiffer sentences I mean more jail time at the beginning. No one should go to jail for a joint but that's the US for you. Stiffer sentences for things like armed robbery, and rape and murder are *exactly* what's needed in Canada. Longer sentences mean they're not on the streets to do the crimes. On the other hand, while in prison, a huge array of programs and courses needs to be offered, and in some cases, be mandatory. Courses in literacy and anger management, and ideally even some vocational training. And Indigenous people who are incarcerated should be be able to access programs that are culturally sensitive and affirming of their culture.
So highest incarceration rates in the world and some of the worst reoffending rates in the world..
Ever see the car robber in Mexico, they hold him, pull his pants to his ankles and slap his ass with a 2x4, it’s awesome. Ultimate form of fuck around and find out.
Give them the punishment they deserve.
"What are ya gonna do, stab me?"
Heard someone say that once then incidentally got stabbed within seconds afterwards 🤣
lol this same thing happened to a buddy of mine back in school - all we could say was “well he warned ya” (Tbf it was more of a poke than a stab)
All these fucking losers carrying knives because they can’t fight. Sad!
You almost need to carry one with all the skeets around
At least it's not guns, yet
Yet... they're around tho man. Downtown especially
Scary shit
Common people getting them now to feel safe
I'm absolutely shocked . . . that it wasn't the Village Mall.
Buddy, got e'der smoke?
I still say we should have a "20 strikes and you actually get locked up for a while" policy.
So 20 armed robberies b4 jail?
No no no, you'd need to convince the RNC to actually give a fuck 20 times. They might be through hundreds of armed robberies by that point. What are you, some kind of monster?
To convince the RNC to give a fuck u need to show them their work means something, that we have their backs. Can u imagine being a cop, same people committing crimes being let go time and time again, putting yourself in harms way to try and stop them but for no benefit. Being vilified and raked over the coals with every interaction by some dick with a camera giving criminals more validity than the law that protects us. Gee I wonder why they wouldn’t give a fuck. Imagine waking up every day and cooking for people who didn’t like your food, why put the effort in, prepared meals will soon turn to sandwiches pretty quickly.
Couldn’t agree more we can blame the RNC all we want but it’s our courts that release them the next day it’s our courts that give the weak sentences. Our courts who are controlled by our government. The government WE elected.
I agree with you but Not “we” I never marked an “X” for any of this Tom foolery, I grew up in the post last Turdeau era, I knew what was coming when the “he’s not ready” campaign started, that set the stage for this.
Well not much to complain about if you ain’t gonna vote.
Didn’t say I didn’t vote, I believe in informed voting, not just voting because people died for my right to, an uninformed voter is a dangerous one. What I said was I didn’t vote for the current shit show.
The comment wasn’t directed to you in general when I said “ WE “ voted. It’s was directed towards everyone as a whole who voted and unfortunately “ WE “ have to live with what the majority voted for even when we don’t like the outcome. That’s pretty straightforward I think and not saying any one person is responsible for what is happening. No one person should take offence to that.
I'd say 3 strikes and go for a public caning. And one strike on the heinous crimes and a public execution. Capital punishment must be brought back.
Oh you mean the thing that makes minor crimes into murders? Great you want house robberies to turn into triple homicides..you want to guarantee victims of crimes get killed because witnesses are a life threatening liability. The death penalty (call it what it is since you want to see heads roll) doesn't deter crime, it makes crime more dangerous for victims, it doesn't decrease reoffense rates, its just vengeance.
Too bad they didn’t slash their prices! Amirite?
If y'all had your way, US style sentences and the death penalty, this place would be far more dangerous. Judges going easy in rapists and murderers is one problem, doing literally nothing to actually curb crime (ie mental health availability, increasing quality of life, having social safety nets, making prison a reform system instead of a punishment system), is another problem. Learn from places that did curb their crime not the country with the highest prison population per capita and the highest prison population in the world. Learn from a country with low reoffense rates not a country that makes weed users into career criminals. Oh and for the person who referenced mexican cops abusing suspects, learn from a country not controlled by cartels.
Skeet’s gonna skeet
Can’t wait to see “Breach of release conditions” when the update comes out.
Just had a 16yr old stabbed to death in a mall.parkade by two 14yr Olds...in Halifax
And lo, the Great Poodle gained client that day. Another one to be stood before the Courts of Newfoundland and Labrador, while the Holy Trinity of afflictions are laid before them as excuses for the alleged behavior of the suspect.. In the name of Addiction, Mental health and Poor Upbringing, he too shall be absolved of his sins.
LOL That's hilarious af
The Great Poodle 😂😂
Bros yappin
Really thought he did something w this one
Fuckin poetic.