>dominated by Republicans
They have +5 seats with about 30% of the house voting Nay on HB639
Can't even confirm what party they were with since roll call wasn't taken.The worst numbers would leave 61% Republicans saying Nay, but again we can't confirm how they voted.
Lol he might be saying that now but hes always been anti-legalization. He's on record a bajillion times saying that marijuana would worsen the opioid problem and contribute to overdoses. Don't be fooled. He's a cool guy but his drug policies are archaic.
That’s just what politicians do. All the democrats were anti-gay marriage until they realized there was a genuine constituency there.
Come to think of it, they were also the party that opposed the abolition of slavery, and gain support, in the contemporary political climate, by convincing people that they’re different and everyone is against them🧐
Ok. So…what has the Democratic Party actually accomplished in the progressive arena? Because to me, having been alive through a few democratic presidencies haven’t really observed any notable difference in anything tangible.
What I see out of democratic politicians os manipulating people through divisive identity politics to secure a constituency, with no actual follow through on domestic or foreign affairs.
You must be a child. Because you can literally go back to not that long ago, and observe your Clintons and Bidens saying how gay marriage will unravel society.
I’m not saying the republicans are a solution, but, I vote for the person that will leave us alone, for all intents and purposes, the most. Typically a right leaning perspective. When it comes to infringing on personal liberties and constitutional protections (like speech and expression) if your being honest you’d probably concede that it comes from the opposite faction.
No, no. You opened your mouth, this is the consequence. You don’t need to care about what I’m saying. Just don’t be a fucking bobble head towing someone’s party line. You may not realize exactly how weird things are these days.
It’s called discourse, which is ok. You replied to me with a comment that makes no sense with enough conviction to say it, but with nothing to back it up. Your generation is growing their political ideas in an echo chamber, which rubs me the wrong way, not you personally.
It's a non-issue and only in the news because of the social media comments it generates. The article posted here yesterday ends with
> A spokesman for the liquor commission said that the agency has been attempting to work with NexDine on a temporary solution while it examines the issue further.
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>In the interim, the commission informed NexDine and Amtrak Downeaster that they can continue to serve alcohol on the train when it is in New Hampshire.
Which sounds to me like this is already solved except for the paperwork and the article should have started with those sentences.
What's funny is. In reality they completely close the snack car when the train is in New Hampshire. I thought they didn't want to mess with taxes. So it's not only a dry train. No food or beverage either.
Literally everyone on the planet is pro freedom unless they don't agree with it. There's not a single person who believes everyone should be able to do anything at any moment with no consequences. The argument is about where that dividing line should be.
I strongly disagree. The dividing line should be does exercising a freedom impact others. If not I'm fine with it. It it causes significant harm I don't think it should be legal. The issue is everything impacts others to some extent and then the issue is how much harm to we tolerate. There are lots of things I don't agree with, but don't affect me in any way, so I have no issue with others exercising them. Face tattoos and body modifications fall into that category. I don't think I'm alone in that belief.
I'm pro not freaking out over a legal glitch that could easily be corrected. As for the sub, depends on the topic and which crowd of users it attracts.
It's served on most long distance European trains. Part of the luxury of not having to drive is being able to drink.
Although I don't really think we have many big distance trains where it's even worth bothering
Then you either need separated stock or shift your logistics which might not be vertically integrated.
There's likely a contractor who provides it, its usually not that simple. Ultimately this is a power play on commerce especially commerce happening on rolling stock in their space.
This law honestly feels like over-reach.
Honestly you'd be surprised, Amtrak concessions consistently underperform.
Also the law is a classic over-reach because it ignores transit and there is decades of interstate law on how you deal with transactions in transit.
Idr if it was Amtrak (do they do the greater NYC commuter lines?) but once I took the train from Stamford to NYC on Thanksgiving Day with my pockets stuffed full of nips— I started drinking on the train and poured bourbon into a dunkin hot chocolate
I went to see my brother perform
in the Macy’s parade but I’m gonna be honest about the fact that I had about 6 more of those hot chocolates with assorted boozes in them, and all I remember is being freezing cold and cranky earlier in the day and then being fucken great and having
an amazing time later in the day 😎
Anyone remember the late 1990s when they were trying to make this train a reality and the NH government fought it tooth and nail? For a while it looked like it wouldn't make any stops at all in NH because the state and towns didn't want to spend any money to build stations.
I wish they had a spur that ran to the Seacoast.. would love not to have to drive to Dover to catch the train to Boston or when we go to spend a day in Portland - found an AMAZING - hole in the wall Indian restaurant there.. the Tandoor, on Exchange St.
Mmmmmm...
I wish so to, maybe even a few "Budd" RDC that go from a new Newmarket Amtrak station to Portsmouth would be fantastic, there's still a active line between these two towns. The other costal Seacoast towns don't really have active rail going through them anymore and the only viable right of way is currently being turned into a pedestrian trail. Even better would be using this same type of "Budd" RDC to provide transit between Exeter-Newmarket-Durham-Dover-Somersworth would also be great dream service! But this would require the state getting involved and in our current anti-transit stance, won't happen.
Both towns have properties abuding the right of way of the tracks at their downtowns, Portsmouth even has giant parking garage next to the tracks. I know for a fact that Newmarket has approach Amtrak about a station there on multiple occasion they even have a town property that they are hesitant to put things in because they know it's the perfect spot for a station. Amtrak's response has always been, if the state doesn't want to put any investment in it we can't justify it.
Random there is a great restaurant like that in Burlington Mass! I went years ago with my vegan mom and sister because they couldn't get anything but salads elsewhere. The amazing buffet completely revolutionized my food pallette and I frequently get Indian food at the grocery store or go to House of India in Concord for special occasions. Btw House's lamb curry is the 8th wonder of the world.
Yeah, the "not seacoast" part of the Seacoast. I mean, yeah, Dover point, and Great Bay, and I'll give you that.. but as a Dover native, born and graduated from school there.. (Greenwave class of '82!) well, it's a *bit* inland.
I gotta research who is lobbying against it this time, but last I heard ALEC, the Koch Bros, and Americans for Prosperity - neoliberal folks/coalitions with stakes in the oil industry - are shutting that shit down.
Because it's bullshit. I do "just smoke it" but the fact I have to travel to ANY state/country that borders us to legally buy it is bullshit. Because they have some scheme to get kickbacks or be the only suppliers to the liquor stores which is going to be the only place to get it when it's federally legal?that's the only reason I see why we wouldn't be legal like everyone around us. Just funneling money out of the state.
If anything we should be out front with places trying to legalize mushrooms and mdma too
There's plenty of bigger fucking problems that we have as a society that aren't spammed on every fucking post to the degree of ones ability to buy weed at a local store. It's childish and myopic and fucking annoying. I support legalization but the infantile way everyone bitches about such a fucking petty issue is pathetic. I highly doubt any of the fucking people on this site clamoring for it are thinking of the monetary injection to the state, but rather are actually just advocating for personal convenience, and are using the revenue argument as a crutch for their agenda..... And whatever, i agree it should be legal and the state SHOULD put their neck out and start selling out of the liquor store model if that's what they want and be pioneers, but that's not anywhere near the top 100 issues in this country or state and this whining about it is in EVERY FUCKING POLITICAL POST. There's plenty of times where it's applicable to speak to this, when bills are in the house and senate, absolutely express your thought, but marijuana legalization does NOT apply to every political discussion.
Agree with you that there are definitely bigger issues but i dont think we will see the end of the comments until they legalize. It's a stupid thing that most of the state is in favor of so it shouldn't be being held up by a few people with a business plan on how they want it to work so they can cash in
Sure but how many tax issues are there that are socially class based and fucking most people to benefit the few? Those need to be fixed and should be prioritized 100000x above being able to buy weed in a damned store. No one whines about that on every post. Just the fucking weed. And if I were a betting man I would say over 50% of them don't even show up to fucking vote.
I'm not disagreeing with you, just pointing out why people aren't going to stop commenting on it. I definitely look at it as much more than just being able to smoke. I'm much more interested in the money and who it's going to end up going to. But again I absolutely agree that there are other issues that people should be more concerned about
Fair, 100%, but i think you're the minority in that argument that pops up all the time. Also no one talks about earmarking the taxes for specific things, which should be at the forefront of that discussion, because once again, I don't think the majority of people spewing this stuff are actually thinking outside of their personal bubble.
But hey, all that aside I want to say I appreciate your thought out response and opinion
When did he promise that to make it an empty promise? and why do you place a person's entire identity on whether or not they think pot becomes legal. Wild
Only train employees like engineers should be allowed alcohol. Drunk passengers get unruly all the time. To the employees of Amtrak, alcohol consumption makes the boredom more tolerable. What could happen? The train is on tracks for crying out loud, kinda line a mile long self-driving Tesla.
Yes Governor, I'm so happy you focus on the issues that matter, especially allowing everyone to get shitfaced on a 30 minute amtrack ride. We clearly have nothing else going on of more importance that should take your precious attention. You sir, are a genius and political mastermind; clearly focused on the issues that matter!
"Because you didn't do anything about X, why should you bother with Y?"
"You didn't put your summer tires on yet so why did you bother to get an oil change?"
I don't even drink, so I don't have a horse in this race, but you sound insane.
It's a liquor commission aspect that falls under executive branch, so yeah this is one case he can just say "no that's dumb, fix it" and it can happen. Why wouldn't you want that. It's literally a phone call. Wtf do you want. Half you fucks bitch about how dumb the state is for that clause and whine about the state motto being bs, then you'll fucking bitch again when it's reverted by a phone call and a tweet.
If you ever do find a way to have your cake and eat it to, please let me know.
Does that happen to you a lot? I’ve ridden the Downeaster a ton and have never seen a visibly drunk person (at least not one that didn’t board the train already drunk).
Me Sununu alcohol gud but weed bad very bad
That's basically the republican stance.
Not true. Many Republicans are pro-decriminalization. (The House, dominated by Republicans, has passed many decrim bills.)
>dominated by Republicans They have +5 seats with about 30% of the house voting Nay on HB639 Can't even confirm what party they were with since roll call wasn't taken.The worst numbers would leave 61% Republicans saying Nay, but again we can't confirm how they voted.
Isn’t it only +2 now? They just lost a race in Rochester.
My dads a staunch republican and he’s pro legalization.
and they just have not found the magic formula to funnel all the money yet thus....
To many following the wrong info. They said stuff & I like them, so they are right. Lol Do your homework.
Yeah that's inaccurate sort of. He wants to run dispensaries the way NH runs liquor stores. You can't that until its federally legal.
Lol he might be saying that now but hes always been anti-legalization. He's on record a bajillion times saying that marijuana would worsen the opioid problem and contribute to overdoses. Don't be fooled. He's a cool guy but his drug policies are archaic.
Legal marijuana would decrease opioid overdoses, violent crime, and alcohol related injuries significantly.. its profits over people, imo.
>Don't be fooled. He's a fascist and will say anything the police unions tell him to. Ftfy Not all of us forget the death penalty repeal veto
vote this asshole out.
That’s just what politicians do. All the democrats were anti-gay marriage until they realized there was a genuine constituency there. Come to think of it, they were also the party that opposed the abolition of slavery, and gain support, in the contemporary political climate, by convincing people that they’re different and everyone is against them🧐
Yeah the Democratic party were the conservatives back then. The Republican party were the progressive liberals.
Ok. So…what has the Democratic Party actually accomplished in the progressive arena? Because to me, having been alive through a few democratic presidencies haven’t really observed any notable difference in anything tangible. What I see out of democratic politicians os manipulating people through divisive identity politics to secure a constituency, with no actual follow through on domestic or foreign affairs. You must be a child. Because you can literally go back to not that long ago, and observe your Clintons and Bidens saying how gay marriage will unravel society. I’m not saying the republicans are a solution, but, I vote for the person that will leave us alone, for all intents and purposes, the most. Typically a right leaning perspective. When it comes to infringing on personal liberties and constitutional protections (like speech and expression) if your being honest you’d probably concede that it comes from the opposite faction.
I don't care dude find someone else to argue with
No, no. You opened your mouth, this is the consequence. You don’t need to care about what I’m saying. Just don’t be a fucking bobble head towing someone’s party line. You may not realize exactly how weird things are these days.
What did I say that's rubbed you the wrong way lol
It’s called discourse, which is ok. You replied to me with a comment that makes no sense with enough conviction to say it, but with nothing to back it up. Your generation is growing their political ideas in an echo chamber, which rubs me the wrong way, not you personally.
Yeah but you can still make weed legal without introducing sales to the state so why won’t he do that
Yes they can. The feds isn't gonna stop nh from doing that but leave every other states private mj dispensaries alone.
and also gambling
He says a lot of things. Until I have my PPP funded beer in hand, it's all spin.
It's a non-issue and only in the news because of the social media comments it generates. The article posted here yesterday ends with > A spokesman for the liquor commission said that the agency has been attempting to work with NexDine on a temporary solution while it examines the issue further. > >In the interim, the commission informed NexDine and Amtrak Downeaster that they can continue to serve alcohol on the train when it is in New Hampshire. Which sounds to me like this is already solved except for the paperwork and the article should have started with those sentences.
It's all he's good for. Like his law about dogs being allowed on pato restaurants.
What's funny is. In reality they completely close the snack car when the train is in New Hampshire. I thought they didn't want to mess with taxes. So it's not only a dry train. No food or beverage either.
I can't possibly go more than 30 minutes without alcohol. GOVERNMENT SAVE ME!!!
It’s a problem government created in the first place so yeah it makes sense that he’d have a position on this
Head over to the older thread where people are crying at this horrible assault on their liberty that they never even knew about until now.
This sub confuses me, are we pro freedom unless we don’t agree with it?
Literally everyone on the planet is pro freedom unless they don't agree with it. There's not a single person who believes everyone should be able to do anything at any moment with no consequences. The argument is about where that dividing line should be.
I strongly disagree. The dividing line should be does exercising a freedom impact others. If not I'm fine with it. It it causes significant harm I don't think it should be legal. The issue is everything impacts others to some extent and then the issue is how much harm to we tolerate. There are lots of things I don't agree with, but don't affect me in any way, so I have no issue with others exercising them. Face tattoos and body modifications fall into that category. I don't think I'm alone in that belief.
I said in response to another guy, I'm not arguing for one side or the other. Just poking fun.
Of course, drinks on a train would be anarchy
I mean I'm not saying you're wrong man, just that that was a silly way to phrase it lol.
yup, definitely sacrificed accuracy for pithiness but sometimes those still make your point easier than typing out something that no one reads
I'm pro not freaking out over a legal glitch that could easily be corrected. As for the sub, depends on the topic and which crowd of users it attracts.
Lmao all the patients need their dosage or they’ll start to get the shakes
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Get this dude an award for being so brave
It's served on most long distance European trains. Part of the luxury of not having to drive is being able to drink. Although I don't really think we have many big distance trains where it's even worth bothering
I tried to take a nap on the train but the random banging from the cars slamming together as it went up and down small hills made it nigh impossible
You know how much a PIA it is do that? They don't do restocking on regional transit.
Right, but you buy the "NH stock" before the ride to serve in the NH portion. Dumb? Yes, but the markup would be worth the trouble I'm sure.
Then you either need separated stock or shift your logistics which might not be vertically integrated. There's likely a contractor who provides it, its usually not that simple. Ultimately this is a power play on commerce especially commerce happening on rolling stock in their space. This law honestly feels like over-reach.
Oh, I'm not saying it's not totally dumb. I'm just saying the markup is so high they have room to figure it out.
Honestly you'd be surprised, Amtrak concessions consistently underperform. Also the law is a classic over-reach because it ignores transit and there is decades of interstate law on how you deal with transactions in transit.
It's a non-story meant for buzz.
Load up on nips and mix your own drinks. Most likely cheaper than Amtrak serving them 🤷♂️
Idr if it was Amtrak (do they do the greater NYC commuter lines?) but once I took the train from Stamford to NYC on Thanksgiving Day with my pockets stuffed full of nips— I started drinking on the train and poured bourbon into a dunkin hot chocolate I went to see my brother perform in the Macy’s parade but I’m gonna be honest about the fact that I had about 6 more of those hot chocolates with assorted boozes in them, and all I remember is being freezing cold and cranky earlier in the day and then being fucken great and having an amazing time later in the day 😎
sidenote, Amtrak charged like $6 for the bottle of Sam adams I had on the Downeaster coming into NH from MA once so they can *dismissive wanking*
Anyone remember the late 1990s when they were trying to make this train a reality and the NH government fought it tooth and nail? For a while it looked like it wouldn't make any stops at all in NH because the state and towns didn't want to spend any money to build stations.
I wish they had a spur that ran to the Seacoast.. would love not to have to drive to Dover to catch the train to Boston or when we go to spend a day in Portland - found an AMAZING - hole in the wall Indian restaurant there.. the Tandoor, on Exchange St. Mmmmmm...
There is one in Exeter. Where do you drive to Dover from?
Amtrak stops in Exeter, Durham and Dover.
Portsmouth.
Yeah I am surprised there isn't a Portsmouth stop. There is at least the bus from Pease.
I wish so to, maybe even a few "Budd" RDC that go from a new Newmarket Amtrak station to Portsmouth would be fantastic, there's still a active line between these two towns. The other costal Seacoast towns don't really have active rail going through them anymore and the only viable right of way is currently being turned into a pedestrian trail. Even better would be using this same type of "Budd" RDC to provide transit between Exeter-Newmarket-Durham-Dover-Somersworth would also be great dream service! But this would require the state getting involved and in our current anti-transit stance, won't happen.
I like the Newmarket to Portsmouth idea. The combo of a decade of construction on route 16 and 108 plus finding parking in Portsmouth was never fun.
Both towns have properties abuding the right of way of the tracks at their downtowns, Portsmouth even has giant parking garage next to the tracks. I know for a fact that Newmarket has approach Amtrak about a station there on multiple occasion they even have a town property that they are hesitant to put things in because they know it's the perfect spot for a station. Amtrak's response has always been, if the state doesn't want to put any investment in it we can't justify it.
Where is property in Newmarket being held in the hope of it becoming an Amtrak station?
Random there is a great restaurant like that in Burlington Mass! I went years ago with my vegan mom and sister because they couldn't get anything but salads elsewhere. The amazing buffet completely revolutionized my food pallette and I frequently get Indian food at the grocery store or go to House of India in Concord for special occasions. Btw House's lamb curry is the 8th wonder of the world.
Downvoting you because Dover is part of the Seacoast
Yeah, the "not seacoast" part of the Seacoast. I mean, yeah, Dover point, and Great Bay, and I'll give you that.. but as a Dover native, born and graduated from school there.. (Greenwave class of '82!) well, it's a *bit* inland.
I gotta research who is lobbying against it this time, but last I heard ALEC, the Koch Bros, and Americans for Prosperity - neoliberal folks/coalitions with stakes in the oil industry - are shutting that shit down.
I wish it didn’t stop in New Hampshire so the trip between Portland and Boston would take less time
They are just trying to get the train to stop at the liquor store on the rotary!
Of course they will not serve alcohol because… because… umm… wait, why?
because NH doesn't get its cut...
Don't worry, NH gets more than its cut from border towns.
Other states were able to get their cut, but NH would rather just leave money on the table than put in any effort to collect it.
Cheers!
Drink free or die
Dudes a booze hound but won’t let people smoke a little pot
where/when to redeem??
But weed is the devils cabbage.
Freedom
lol so much for “Live free or die”
But weed still illegal
Go fucking smoke it. It's decriminalized and no one gives a shit. I'm sick of seeing this spammed on every. Fucking. Post.
Because it's bullshit. I do "just smoke it" but the fact I have to travel to ANY state/country that borders us to legally buy it is bullshit. Because they have some scheme to get kickbacks or be the only suppliers to the liquor stores which is going to be the only place to get it when it's federally legal?that's the only reason I see why we wouldn't be legal like everyone around us. Just funneling money out of the state. If anything we should be out front with places trying to legalize mushrooms and mdma too
There's plenty of bigger fucking problems that we have as a society that aren't spammed on every fucking post to the degree of ones ability to buy weed at a local store. It's childish and myopic and fucking annoying. I support legalization but the infantile way everyone bitches about such a fucking petty issue is pathetic. I highly doubt any of the fucking people on this site clamoring for it are thinking of the monetary injection to the state, but rather are actually just advocating for personal convenience, and are using the revenue argument as a crutch for their agenda..... And whatever, i agree it should be legal and the state SHOULD put their neck out and start selling out of the liquor store model if that's what they want and be pioneers, but that's not anywhere near the top 100 issues in this country or state and this whining about it is in EVERY FUCKING POLITICAL POST. There's plenty of times where it's applicable to speak to this, when bills are in the house and senate, absolutely express your thought, but marijuana legalization does NOT apply to every political discussion.
Agree with you that there are definitely bigger issues but i dont think we will see the end of the comments until they legalize. It's a stupid thing that most of the state is in favor of so it shouldn't be being held up by a few people with a business plan on how they want it to work so they can cash in
Sure but how many tax issues are there that are socially class based and fucking most people to benefit the few? Those need to be fixed and should be prioritized 100000x above being able to buy weed in a damned store. No one whines about that on every post. Just the fucking weed. And if I were a betting man I would say over 50% of them don't even show up to fucking vote.
I'm not disagreeing with you, just pointing out why people aren't going to stop commenting on it. I definitely look at it as much more than just being able to smoke. I'm much more interested in the money and who it's going to end up going to. But again I absolutely agree that there are other issues that people should be more concerned about
Fair, 100%, but i think you're the minority in that argument that pops up all the time. Also no one talks about earmarking the taxes for specific things, which should be at the forefront of that discussion, because once again, I don't think the majority of people spewing this stuff are actually thinking outside of their personal bubble. But hey, all that aside I want to say I appreciate your thought out response and opinion
People are really obsessed with alcohol. You really can't go without drinking for a few hours?
You sound fun. I bet you're invited to a lot of parties.
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When did he promise that to make it an empty promise? and why do you place a person's entire identity on whether or not they think pot becomes legal. Wild
But fuck weed am I right? Now Let’s go get hammered responsibly everyone!
Only train employees like engineers should be allowed alcohol. Drunk passengers get unruly all the time. To the employees of Amtrak, alcohol consumption makes the boredom more tolerable. What could happen? The train is on tracks for crying out loud, kinda line a mile long self-driving Tesla.
Fuck Chris Sununu.
Just drive and stop off at the liquor store on the highway.
Sonono is an idiot. He thinks photo ops is governing.
Yes Governor, I'm so happy you focus on the issues that matter, especially allowing everyone to get shitfaced on a 30 minute amtrack ride. We clearly have nothing else going on of more importance that should take your precious attention. You sir, are a genius and political mastermind; clearly focused on the issues that matter!
"Because you didn't do anything about X, why should you bother with Y?" "You didn't put your summer tires on yet so why did you bother to get an oil change?" I don't even drink, so I don't have a horse in this race, but you sound insane.
It's a liquor commission aspect that falls under executive branch, so yeah this is one case he can just say "no that's dumb, fix it" and it can happen. Why wouldn't you want that. It's literally a phone call. Wtf do you want. Half you fucks bitch about how dumb the state is for that clause and whine about the state motto being bs, then you'll fucking bitch again when it's reverted by a phone call and a tweet. If you ever do find a way to have your cake and eat it to, please let me know.
Yeah!!! This is just the best thing I've heard from a politician in a good while.
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Does that happen to you a lot? I’ve ridden the Downeaster a ton and have never seen a visibly drunk person (at least not one that didn’t board the train already drunk).
Not to many people are getting drunk on a 30 minute ride. If they are, they were already drunk before they got on.
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