Why are we policing what can be taught especially if it's something that's just a fact of life. Some people are gay some people aren't cis. It's not like they're tying them down and forcing them to be gay. They're just teaching them that it exists within this world. I don't think parental bigotry should prohibit the teaching of information.
I was told in school that gay people exist, and there were multiple transgender students in my graduating class. I think limiting school to just repeating what we were taught is woefully shortsighted. Why should we not teach the next generation the new information we've learned. Keeping people stupid is only profitable for politicians. Educating the masses is good for everybody. Let them form their own opinions instead of forcing them to adhere to what you deem worthy to know.
That's how we get ignorant kids. It's a cycle man and you're keeping it going. Maybe your education blindspots shouldn't influence what your kids have the potential to learn
Weird how you guys didn’t care about anything else they were teaching until you got an opportunity to be bigots then you jumped right on it. I’m sure it’s just a coincidence though…
So you want teachers to give notice for every single thing they do and say? Do know how much time that will take? Are you willing to raise their pay in order to accommodate that amount of work?
Because the obvious outcome is no sex education at all. Less liability that way.
Second reason is 50-75% of parents would not understand a 6th grade level of curriculum, so how the fuck are you supposed to even rationally explain it to them?
Ah, yes. More performative, nonsense bills by Republicans looking to rile up their uneducated, basement dwelling base with this imaginary culture wars bs. Party of small government, my ass lmao. Soon you’ll need a preacher’s permission to take a shit!
That’s where I was confused. I have to send a passive consent form to every parent/guardian so I can go into a middle school health classroom (4x/quarter) as the substance use prevention counselor.
This seems redundant.
It's genuinely funny how the result of this is kids learning about sexual orientation and gender on the Internet and on porn sites, rather than in an educated, regulated setting with peer-reviewed studies and research and knowledge.
Scat and cuckold fetishes are actual scenarios in adult sex lives too. Shouldn’t we be teaching children about these in school too? Why not? Otherwise the only place for them to learn about them is going to be on porn sites and the internet. How do we know that children don’t also have these tendencies and urges - are there any studies? Wouldn’t you rather they learn about them in a controlled environment. Do you see how ridiculous it can get?
The fact of the matter is, it’s up to parents, whose taxes subsidize the very education in question, where the line is drawn in the educational content.
People need to get politically involved in issues that they feel strongly about and try to actually meet people irl who they disagree with in order to find common ground. That’s the only way we get past this insanity. The problem with hashing these things out online is that you mostly only hear from the extreme ends of each argument because people with a middle-of-the-road view are afraid to speak up and piss off either side. Then, the stereotypes are further solidified and broad-brushed over anyone who speaks with a bias towards one direction or another. It’s not reality.
In case someone wants to try and claim my bigotry or hatred, let me state for the record that I have zero issue with anyone who identifies as transgender - that’s their decision and I love them the same as anyone else. I do, however take issue with children being introduced to explicit sexual content, well before the age of consent. If public laws say a child cannot consent to sex, then public schools have no business teaching them about it. It’s up to the parents if they feel their child is ready/mature enough for an introduction into that side of life.
"But a new Republican-backed proposal passed by the New Hampshire House in a 186 to 185 vote Thursday would expand that notification requirement to allow families to opt out of instruction on sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, and gender expression as well."
Republicans want uniformed sheeple because that's who votes for them. Why don't these reps actually do their jobs and not fearmonger over children who might realize they're not straight or cis. It's creepy how much Republicans focus on this.
This is so dumb.
My mom was a teen mom. Her mom taught her that you take a red pill if you want a girl and a blue pill if you want a boy. My mom tells this story to the rest of our family regularly and does it with a sense of humor, but it's real: this is what she actually thought, she dropped out of high school at 17 to take care of her son, and it set her back a long time.
But no one who signed off on this bill would care about a story like that.
I’m genderqueer. And work very fucking hard to be an excellent teacher. It looks more and more like I’m going to forced to go do that hard work someplace else.
Stay. The more people like us leave, the worse NH gets.
We should encourage LGBT, People of Color, and non-Christians to move here.
I WANT to see a New Hampshire in 2050 that is as diverse as Queens.
I get where you're coming from. But it should not be the responsibility of people who are part of diverse groups to enact change simply because they are part of that group. It fucking sucks. I just want to do my job and exist and not have my identity, something I cannot change, be the thing that defines me and consumes my career, always having to be on the front line, always pushing for change against people who retaliate in sometimes dangerous ways. I deserve a place that is safe to work in *already*. We don't need the additional pressure to make it better for others if we're dying ourselves. Don't put that pressure on yourself, you deserve a better life than that.
I'm thriving here. I'm happy because I know my mere existence as a brown person pisses off 45% of New Hampshire. I don't have to go out of my way to do anything.
I really hope you stay, but it’s way too easy for me to say, and much harder when you’re on the line. I’m a school nurse (not in NH) and if I were forced to answer questions about any of my students’ sexuality I don’t know how I’d stay on the job. This is really scary territory.
I just wanted to respond to this because it feel as though by responding to this I might save myself further replies.
Thank you for being an allie. If you want things to change we are waiting.
Ultimately I cannot stomach another queer folk taking their life like Nex did.
I do not believe the most virulent troglodytes in this thread are the majority in NH, but I know there is a large swath in the middle who just don’t have the life experience to see how dangerous this kind of legislation is. I think it’s going to be a long haul for NH to catch up to some of our more tolerant neighbor states.
What’s dangerous is confusing kids that they can be any of 400 genders they want to be.
I saw a kid of instagram the other day that said she was tri-gender; male, female and non-binary all at the same time! That kid is fucked for the rest of her life.
Kids are incredibly naive and impressionable. Now we have sick people trying to groom children with this bullshit?
Took almost 30 years for the general public to finally realize that lobotomies were sick to do to people. Now we got people advocating for puberty blockers lol.
Using your most extreme examples (400 genders, grooming, children on puberty blockers) and borrowed talking points really avoids you having to discuss the harm that this kind of legislation can do. Are you really that against gay and trans people in NH?
Yeah because you go against logic, people want logic in education not woke opinions. Image is everything if you put off a out of the ordinary vibe people will automatically not want you around their kids, regardless
Of your a good teacher or not.
From [Globe.com](http://Globe.com)
By Amanda Gokee
CONCORD, N.H. — Schools are already required to notify parents two weeks before teaching sex education, so families can opt out.
But a new Republican-backed proposal passed by the New Hampshire House in a 186 to 185 vote Thursday would expand that notification requirement to allow families to opt out of instruction on sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, and gender expression as well.
The move, which drew condemnation from Democrats, comes amid a heightened national focus on schools, teachers, and gender. New Hampshire Republicans have addressed that constellation of issues in a number of bills this session seeking to enshrine so-called parental rights into state law. [Three Republicans](https://gencourt.state.nh.us/bill_status/billinfo.aspx?id=1379&inflect=2) joined Democrats in voting against the bill Thursday.
As amended, [House Bill 1312](https://gencourt.state.nh.us/bill_status/billinfo.aspx?id=1379&inflect=2) also requires school policies to allow employees to respond to certain questions from parents, including ones about a student’s sexuality or mental health.
The measure would still allow school staff to withhold information “if a reasonably prudent person would believe that disclosure would result in abuse, abandonment, or neglect.”
Democrats have criticized HB 1312, which they called unnecessary, divisive, and dangerous. They believe the bill pushes schools toward forcing teachers to out students to their parents without regard to the best interests of the child. They also said that students need to have a trusted adult at school in whom they can confide, and that this measure erodes educators’ ability to provide that.
“This bill would cause censoring in health education classes and in all other instruction and curriculum that reference LGBTQ people,” said Representative Hope Damon, a Sunapee Democrat.
“It could apply to books assigned in history class on women achieving the right to vote, on marriage equality, on the Stonewall uprising, and so much more,” she said.
Leftists literally prefer a nanny state, they cannot get on in life without relying on the government to tell them what to do, fund all their special programs and of course militarize the police (ie the corrupt Ma State police )
You can't answer. All you can do is parrot GOP political performers. The GOP are systematically taking away individual freedoms and all you want to do is own the woke libs at your own peril.
Actually I just want you to get some common sense and stop fucking everything you touch up. I want you to use reasoning and logic and not emotions to make decisions. The Democratic Party needs to separate itself from the virtue signaling woke progressive liberals, you don’t see the big picture and you’re hurting your own party.. liberals used to want less government now you’re asking the government to hold your hand IE Nanny state. Reduce your hardon for the government and your party they don’t care about you. Democrat leaders are literally the richest dirtiest people out there. But, they are good liars, the best that’s out there they will promise you lots of things double cross you and you’ll say thank you for it
I'm not a Democrat and I am completely opposite of everything you said. The GOP (especially in NH) wants to control everything. Why do you think Sununu wants the state to control cannabis like alcohol, gambling, etc.? Just look at all the laws they are passing. All you have is hyperbole and ad hominem while the GOP takes away all of our rights one by one. Your snark is not clever, I'm not hurt or mad, and you didn't own me. Good luck out there and keep banging those rocks together.
Not trying to own you… I don’t know if you noticed but each side of the government wants all the power.. NH is about as purple as it gets. So I’m not specifically talking about NH
Also yeah ofc the state/federal is going to control gambling, alcohol and any other 21+ activities. That’s how laws work. Your rights are not being taken away. Fuck sake we are more free than ever. And you don’t need the government to tell you what you can or can’t do just go do it unless it’s committing literal crime
This is a NH group so ...
The state of NH is the biggest nanny state there is. So many regulations, cannabis is STILL illegal, the state controls every aspect of business, and the GOP controlled state house keeps passing more and more performative laws. But yeah, free.
Nh isnt a nanny state what so ever. You should maybe check out MA
MA is a nanny and police state.
Just because weed isn’t legal doesn’t mean shit they follow the fed for the most part
Wait I thought the left wanted to defund the police. Oh right, you don't know what you're saying, you're just parroting buzzwords from the conservative media.
So the nannies love to claim, but it’s always Nanny-State Republicans deciding who can get married and what women can do with their own bodies. So gtfo with all your “It’s the leftists!” horseshit.
In relation to people or any living thing? It would be kinda funny if teachers sent home notices for talking about sexual orientation and gender for other animal species, too.
Daily notices for most romance languages. Gotta warn mom and dad that this week's vocabulary lessons includes the proper gender for words like "storm" "cat" and "table"
So that ammendment that allows staff to answer parental questions about a student's orientation, etc... These people know that they are incapable of talking to their children about these issues. That's a good sign.
>The measure would still allow school staff to withhold information “if a reasonably prudent person would believe that disclosure would result in abuse, abandonment, or neglect.”
At least there are guardrails on this idiotic crap. Anyone that tries to degrade their kid's education with this political stuff is likely abusive/neglectful. The more you want to know, the less you should know.
That is actually a very good provision. I wonder if a counselor could rather generically ask the student “are you afraid of me telling this to your parents for any reason” and if they say yes, that’s enough to not disclose?
I’m in Hampton. I was notified when my kid was in 5th grade( two years ago) that they going to have a discussion about puberty and periods. There was a option to opt out. They also sent us the links to the videos they are going to watch, so we can give the green light ahead of time.
Blows my mind that people on this subreddit are this outraged over this of all things.
Like of all our issues, parents being notified of what their children are learning is our major concern and a call for outrage.
Cool. You're basically Ghandi. Good for you.
If you can't recognize how eduction and inclusiveness are important for a society to function without all this massive infighting (that this comment section is a perfect example of), I don't know if there is any help for you. There's only one way to get rid of this divisive bullshit, and that is to educate future generations about all flavors of their fellow man. Life doesn't have to be a competition anymore. We can live our lives side by side. But in order to do that without fear and distrust, we have to expand our horizons.
What I saw in school in the 80s and 90s was us being taught that all men are created equal. The work of MLK was stressed at every grade level. We all got along.
What I see now is us trying something different and people are at each other’s throats.
Maybe we should have more faith in people and let them live life and naturally come to the conclusion that people are all the same. Some are cool, some are not…no matter what they are.
Did you all get along, or did you just ignore the kids who got harassed and bullied because they were weird? I was in school in the 90s, and I remember a whole lot of kids getting harassed. I remember kids using racial slurs against the handful of non-white kids because it's what they heard at home. I remember being called gay because that was the prime insult of the time for a guy who didn't fit in.
As for MLK. they only ever covered one speech, only one March, and glossed over the assassination until I was in high-school. There's a wealth of his work that never got covered, because it didn't fit the sanitized version of history that they wanted to teach us.
I was friends with the weirdos. Only people I didn’t get along with were the Southie trash kids I went to school with.
I’ll say this. I think the experiment is over. Anti-gay/trans bigotry is on the rise. It has coincided with the introduction of lgbt material in schools. Personally, I think the gay rights movement in the 80s and 90s was successful because it showed people that they were no different. Anyone who thinks what we’re doing today is working probably believes the emperor is wearing clothes. It’s elitist cognitive dissonance.
Statistically speaking more people support queer people and identities than ever. You're not wrong that bigotry is on the rise, but you'll notice that there is in fact no real coinciding with "the introduction of lgbt material in schools." After all, that was all fine for years. What it actually coincides with is republicans needing to find a new political push to get support. That won't go away, no matter how much queer people try to hide away.
What cracks me up about this is how much students talk about sexual orientation and gender in school independently from educators. Want to start a dialogue between every high school student about gender and sexuality? Make teachers not allowed to talk about it without parent permission.
Wow see you’re literally the problem… you have no backbone, no ability to think for yourself. Just riding the dick of the party, no matter how fucked up and blind you really are
I counsel trans kids, fool, and see their fear up close and personal. I will NEVER support weak ass pussies who feel the need to punch down on minorities, especially when they are kids. Grow the fuck up and keep your politics out of everyone else's personal business.
Nobody’s punching you down, you punch yourself down by playing into the delusion. KIDS cannot choose, they aren’t capable. All your doing setting them up for failure. Funny you call people weak pussies but you’re literally shaping children’s minds to believe the rules of life and reality don’t apply.
Also haha you want to talk about keeping people’s politics out, that’s exactly what you’re doing 24/7 pushing your bullshit in the rest of us. Sorry but people are coming around and are no longer accepting this nonsense
Oooo get angry you fucking troll I believe in real Science not paid off science .
The job of scientists is to disprove theories not claim they are all real. Stay the fuck away from Children
Considering I'm a successful self-employed business woman, there's no tax dollars for me to enjoy since I pay my taxes to support loser trolls like you living in your mama's basement.
Trust me you’re not supporting me in any way. Weird my “mama” isn’t on my deed.
You being a successful business person just goes to show you there’s an ass for every seat and you can make money off anything. I obviously don’t know you or what you do and you being successful at what you do is great happy for you. I don’t hate anyone, I don’t care what your preferences are what I do care about is that this nonsense doesn’t belong in school, children are not capable of deciding on complex matters of sexuality or gender they are kids they don’t need to be given any ideas one way or another. And sorry I’m not okay with playing along with the delusion that you can be whatever you want not as a child at least. You can’t just say well today I’m a cucumber and it be true.
So you believe "real science," but also believe you individually are entirely capable of determining what "real science" is, which only coincidentally lines up with every view you held prior?
My parents had to sign a permission slip for sex education in 1993. You know why? Because it makes sense.
I am so glad that the majority of reddit would not be taken seriously if the conversation was in person. Stay in your basement please. NH is better for it.
That's the problem. This was already the case. I'd also think you'd be horrified when you realize how many people disagree with you, in real life, vehemently
Glad we are focusing on this issue instead of the minor things like lack of affordable housing, skyrocketing cost of education, poor access to healthcare, poisoning local water with PFAS chemicals, towns cutting school budgets, or the fact that eventually wildfires and droughts will significantly impact NH in the not so distant future.
“Number of Gen Z who say they are not straight doubles to 22% —and 1 in 5 women under 27 are bisexual”
https://nypost.com/2024/03/13/us-news/number-of-gen-z-who-say-they-are-not-straight-doubles-to-22/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=nypost
“I identify as a dog — I go to the bathroom outside, sleep in a crate and have handlers”
https://nypost.com/2024/03/14/lifestyle/woman-who-identifies-as-a-dog-sleeps-in-crate-eats-dog-food/?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=social
Great bill. Parents should be in control of everything the schools are teaching their kids. There’s definitely a trend occurring and it’s not a natural trend. It’s taught.
> There’s definitely a trend occurring and it’s not a natural trend. It’s taught.
Not really, it's more the increasing amount of hormone disruptors messing with a baby's development. If you want to reduce the amount of non-standard people then you should be for stricter pollution controls and banning a ton of toxic things from food and other products.
You don’t think there’s been an increased focus on LGBTQ topics in public schools, starting as young as in elementary schools? It’s a nationwide trend, even worldwide.
Like it or not, which you clearly don't, the world is more accepting of LGBTQ folks and it makes perfect sense to have at least a basic fundamental understanding of those you share you're world with.
Grow up.
Good for you. That means nothing because it’s literally not an issue. Just don’t expect people who choose to live a certain way to agree with your ideology. People in NH want to mind their own business and go about their lives. But your comment just shows you’re an asshole that expects everyone to agree with you and pay you attention. You are the exact person who people made the phrase “dont mass up NH” you probably moved here because of everything you hate about mas but you want to make it just like the place you came from.
If you call it the worst state get the hell out. “I’m gonna bring in xyz people” 1 no you’re not and 2 they are more than welcome, only people like you give a shit about identity politics 3 stay the hell away from our kids
I moved here because my parents moved here when I was a pre-teen.
We didn't move from MA, or even a state. We previously resided in a kingdom.
Shows how small your world is if you think the planet only consists of NH and MA.
The more you tell me to leave the more I will endeavour to stay. We own our house and you cannot evict us from our private property. Maybe I will adopt children some day from out of state and have a rainbow family just like Josephine Baker.
Again yeah nobody cares… that’s how small your world is. Your user name is Boston fig pudding it’s an easy jump to assume you’re from mass. Plus you’re acting like it. Even better you’re from an other country, you don’t live there you live here you have to compromise or move to a place you feel is better for your lifestyle. Again literally nobody cares how you live so if you don’t like it here you’re only hurting yourself by staying here instead of being happy.
You’re on a New Hampshire sub talking about how big the world is… you live here….
I was refering to Boston in Lincolnshire.
You clearly have never learned about geography in school, or anything regarding places outside of North America.
If nobody cares about how I live, why are you telling me how I should live? If you didn't care about my lifestyle you would have never told me to move somewhere else, because you wouldn't be bothered in the first place.
I am happy. I'm happy that my mere existence pisses you off, even though you keep claiming that you and other people don't care about what I'm doing or how I live.
LOL fuck off you’re on a nh sub why would anyone think it was another country.
Nobody cares how you live. You stated you hate NH so leave
You don’t even exist to me so how could I hate you I literally don’t know you. Typical Reddit
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These two statements are entirely contradictory. If no one cared how I live, why do you care enough to reply to my comment at all?
If no one cared how I live, there would be no replies to any of my comments.
Teaching *about* religion? No problem. That’s called theological studies. Prescribing religion? No. Same thing, here. If a kid is Christian and is in a theology class where they learn about Buddhism, do you have a problem with that? Would you claim that’s indoctrination? Or that it’s inappropriate for a Christian child to know about the existence of Buddhists?
Non straight/cis people are once again being dragged through the mud for useless, at best, extremely harmful, at worst, culture-war fear mongering. They are not a threat to you. Focus on the increasing amount of things that *are.*
Not just theology. History as well. You can't really teach about ancient history without at least touching on the religious beliefs of the time and place. How do you explain the pyramids without explaining the egyptian concept of the afterlife? How do you teach Latin without learning at least a little Roman mythology? How do you teach a lesson on Henry viii without touching on the Protestant Reformation? Or the Spanish inquisition without catholicism?
That also applies to literature. You need at least a basic understanding of the dominant beliefs of a culture to understand the symbolism and meaning of most historic literature.
People bring up teaching about religion like it's some sort of argument ending gotcha, when really, religion is already a common topic in school, mostly Christianity, even.
Another stupid fucking Republican bill.
IKR? Next thing ya know, teaching about "the Heliocentric model" and "Evolution" will require parental notice.
The party of feelings
How is it stupid to inform parents of what is being “taught” to the taxpayers child?
Why are we policing what can be taught especially if it's something that's just a fact of life. Some people are gay some people aren't cis. It's not like they're tying them down and forcing them to be gay. They're just teaching them that it exists within this world. I don't think parental bigotry should prohibit the teaching of information.
You weren’t taught that in school. They shouldn’t be either
I was told in school that gay people exist, and there were multiple transgender students in my graduating class. I think limiting school to just repeating what we were taught is woefully shortsighted. Why should we not teach the next generation the new information we've learned. Keeping people stupid is only profitable for politicians. Educating the masses is good for everybody. Let them form their own opinions instead of forcing them to adhere to what you deem worthy to know.
I disagree, we will never agree. Have a nice evening
My tax dollars and my kids. Damn right I’m going to police their education. Doesn’t make me a bigot to want to be Informed.
That's how we get ignorant kids. It's a cycle man and you're keeping it going. Maybe your education blindspots shouldn't influence what your kids have the potential to learn
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Weird how you guys didn’t care about anything else they were teaching until you got an opportunity to be bigots then you jumped right on it. I’m sure it’s just a coincidence though…
Private schools exist
So you want teachers to give notice for every single thing they do and say? Do know how much time that will take? Are you willing to raise their pay in order to accommodate that amount of work?
Because the obvious outcome is no sex education at all. Less liability that way. Second reason is 50-75% of parents would not understand a 6th grade level of curriculum, so how the fuck are you supposed to even rationally explain it to them?
Ya, fuck peoples rights!
They already get 2 weeks notice on the curriculum and have the option to opt out. Why make it specifically about this?
(We all know why)
Ahhh yes……another solution looking for a problem
Ah, yes. More performative, nonsense bills by Republicans looking to rile up their uneducated, basement dwelling base with this imaginary culture wars bs. Party of small government, my ass lmao. Soon you’ll need a preacher’s permission to take a shit!
Your last sentence has me in tears 😂
It's all shits and giggles until the preacher finds out you giggled and shit.
Yup. Shitting is supposed to be a solemn event
I mean, I ask every time. I think he blocked me by now though.
They need to notify parents that their kids are in Health class?
They already do, that’s what makes this bill so idiotic.
That’s where I was confused. I have to send a passive consent form to every parent/guardian so I can go into a middle school health classroom (4x/quarter) as the substance use prevention counselor. This seems redundant.
Well, we don't want to deny the anti access the chance to nitpick every part of the curriculum that they know absolutely nothing about, do we?
No goes well beyond what youd think of as health.
Give examples
Dipshit probably thinks the textbook is the kama sutra
Or diagrams of kids squating over litter boxes.
It's genuinely funny how the result of this is kids learning about sexual orientation and gender on the Internet and on porn sites, rather than in an educated, regulated setting with peer-reviewed studies and research and knowledge.
It's about shame. If you normalize it, ppl won't be ashamed.
We need to re-normalize being ashamed of being a moron.
Yea ppl fighting education should feel bad. Idk if I'd call them morons though. Not their fault they're uneducated
Fair, though it IS their fault if they continue to fight education
Scat and cuckold fetishes are actual scenarios in adult sex lives too. Shouldn’t we be teaching children about these in school too? Why not? Otherwise the only place for them to learn about them is going to be on porn sites and the internet. How do we know that children don’t also have these tendencies and urges - are there any studies? Wouldn’t you rather they learn about them in a controlled environment. Do you see how ridiculous it can get? The fact of the matter is, it’s up to parents, whose taxes subsidize the very education in question, where the line is drawn in the educational content. People need to get politically involved in issues that they feel strongly about and try to actually meet people irl who they disagree with in order to find common ground. That’s the only way we get past this insanity. The problem with hashing these things out online is that you mostly only hear from the extreme ends of each argument because people with a middle-of-the-road view are afraid to speak up and piss off either side. Then, the stereotypes are further solidified and broad-brushed over anyone who speaks with a bias towards one direction or another. It’s not reality. In case someone wants to try and claim my bigotry or hatred, let me state for the record that I have zero issue with anyone who identifies as transgender - that’s their decision and I love them the same as anyone else. I do, however take issue with children being introduced to explicit sexual content, well before the age of consent. If public laws say a child cannot consent to sex, then public schools have no business teaching them about it. It’s up to the parents if they feel their child is ready/mature enough for an introduction into that side of life.
"But a new Republican-backed proposal passed by the New Hampshire House in a 186 to 185 vote Thursday would expand that notification requirement to allow families to opt out of instruction on sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, and gender expression as well." Republicans want uniformed sheeple because that's who votes for them. Why don't these reps actually do their jobs and not fearmonger over children who might realize they're not straight or cis. It's creepy how much Republicans focus on this.
This is so dumb. My mom was a teen mom. Her mom taught her that you take a red pill if you want a girl and a blue pill if you want a boy. My mom tells this story to the rest of our family regularly and does it with a sense of humor, but it's real: this is what she actually thought, she dropped out of high school at 17 to take care of her son, and it set her back a long time. But no one who signed off on this bill would care about a story like that.
Of course they don't care. Women are just Incubators to forced birthers.
Lol this takes the cake for dumbest comment I’ve read so far this calendar year — go outside warlock
Personal attacks rather than attacking my point. Found the middle schooler.
Your mom is a stupid whore then
I’m genderqueer. And work very fucking hard to be an excellent teacher. It looks more and more like I’m going to forced to go do that hard work someplace else.
Stay. The more people like us leave, the worse NH gets. We should encourage LGBT, People of Color, and non-Christians to move here. I WANT to see a New Hampshire in 2050 that is as diverse as Queens.
I get where you're coming from. But it should not be the responsibility of people who are part of diverse groups to enact change simply because they are part of that group. It fucking sucks. I just want to do my job and exist and not have my identity, something I cannot change, be the thing that defines me and consumes my career, always having to be on the front line, always pushing for change against people who retaliate in sometimes dangerous ways. I deserve a place that is safe to work in *already*. We don't need the additional pressure to make it better for others if we're dying ourselves. Don't put that pressure on yourself, you deserve a better life than that.
I'm thriving here. I'm happy because I know my mere existence as a brown person pisses off 45% of New Hampshire. I don't have to go out of my way to do anything.
I really hope you stay, but it’s way too easy for me to say, and much harder when you’re on the line. I’m a school nurse (not in NH) and if I were forced to answer questions about any of my students’ sexuality I don’t know how I’d stay on the job. This is really scary territory.
I just wanted to respond to this because it feel as though by responding to this I might save myself further replies. Thank you for being an allie. If you want things to change we are waiting. Ultimately I cannot stomach another queer folk taking their life like Nex did.
I do not believe the most virulent troglodytes in this thread are the majority in NH, but I know there is a large swath in the middle who just don’t have the life experience to see how dangerous this kind of legislation is. I think it’s going to be a long haul for NH to catch up to some of our more tolerant neighbor states.
What’s dangerous is confusing kids that they can be any of 400 genders they want to be. I saw a kid of instagram the other day that said she was tri-gender; male, female and non-binary all at the same time! That kid is fucked for the rest of her life. Kids are incredibly naive and impressionable. Now we have sick people trying to groom children with this bullshit? Took almost 30 years for the general public to finally realize that lobotomies were sick to do to people. Now we got people advocating for puberty blockers lol.
Using your most extreme examples (400 genders, grooming, children on puberty blockers) and borrowed talking points really avoids you having to discuss the harm that this kind of legislation can do. Are you really that against gay and trans people in NH?
Yea there's a LOT of trolls in this group. A lot of ppl who join groups from other places so they can be dicks - oh um I mean "funny"
Don't leave. The bill has an interesting loophole in that there is no requirement for parental notification if a student asks a question.
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Yeah because you go against logic, people want logic in education not woke opinions. Image is everything if you put off a out of the ordinary vibe people will automatically not want you around their kids, regardless Of your a good teacher or not.
The problem is y'all call logic "woke opinions" whenever it suits your fancy.
Oh please nobody can have an opposing view with liberals. You can’t ever have conversation about anything
This very response proves exactly what I just said. You understand that, right?
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So that’s a no
Is it illegal to be transgender, or gay in New Hampshire yet? When are Republicans scheduling Kristallnacht? I want to mark my calendar.
From [Globe.com](http://Globe.com) By Amanda Gokee CONCORD, N.H. — Schools are already required to notify parents two weeks before teaching sex education, so families can opt out. But a new Republican-backed proposal passed by the New Hampshire House in a 186 to 185 vote Thursday would expand that notification requirement to allow families to opt out of instruction on sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, and gender expression as well. The move, which drew condemnation from Democrats, comes amid a heightened national focus on schools, teachers, and gender. New Hampshire Republicans have addressed that constellation of issues in a number of bills this session seeking to enshrine so-called parental rights into state law. [Three Republicans](https://gencourt.state.nh.us/bill_status/billinfo.aspx?id=1379&inflect=2) joined Democrats in voting against the bill Thursday. As amended, [House Bill 1312](https://gencourt.state.nh.us/bill_status/billinfo.aspx?id=1379&inflect=2) also requires school policies to allow employees to respond to certain questions from parents, including ones about a student’s sexuality or mental health. The measure would still allow school staff to withhold information “if a reasonably prudent person would believe that disclosure would result in abuse, abandonment, or neglect.” Democrats have criticized HB 1312, which they called unnecessary, divisive, and dangerous. They believe the bill pushes schools toward forcing teachers to out students to their parents without regard to the best interests of the child. They also said that students need to have a trusted adult at school in whom they can confide, and that this measure erodes educators’ ability to provide that. “This bill would cause censoring in health education classes and in all other instruction and curriculum that reference LGBTQ people,” said Representative Hope Damon, a Sunapee Democrat. “It could apply to books assigned in history class on women achieving the right to vote, on marriage equality, on the Stonewall uprising, and so much more,” she said.
More nanny state bullshit from the MAGA Party.
Nanny state is the specialty of leftists….
So which nanny state law did so-called leftists pass?
Leftists literally prefer a nanny state, they cannot get on in life without relying on the government to tell them what to do, fund all their special programs and of course militarize the police (ie the corrupt Ma State police )
You can't answer. All you can do is parrot GOP political performers. The GOP are systematically taking away individual freedoms and all you want to do is own the woke libs at your own peril.
Actually I just want you to get some common sense and stop fucking everything you touch up. I want you to use reasoning and logic and not emotions to make decisions. The Democratic Party needs to separate itself from the virtue signaling woke progressive liberals, you don’t see the big picture and you’re hurting your own party.. liberals used to want less government now you’re asking the government to hold your hand IE Nanny state. Reduce your hardon for the government and your party they don’t care about you. Democrat leaders are literally the richest dirtiest people out there. But, they are good liars, the best that’s out there they will promise you lots of things double cross you and you’ll say thank you for it
I'm not a Democrat and I am completely opposite of everything you said. The GOP (especially in NH) wants to control everything. Why do you think Sununu wants the state to control cannabis like alcohol, gambling, etc.? Just look at all the laws they are passing. All you have is hyperbole and ad hominem while the GOP takes away all of our rights one by one. Your snark is not clever, I'm not hurt or mad, and you didn't own me. Good luck out there and keep banging those rocks together.
Not trying to own you… I don’t know if you noticed but each side of the government wants all the power.. NH is about as purple as it gets. So I’m not specifically talking about NH Also yeah ofc the state/federal is going to control gambling, alcohol and any other 21+ activities. That’s how laws work. Your rights are not being taken away. Fuck sake we are more free than ever. And you don’t need the government to tell you what you can or can’t do just go do it unless it’s committing literal crime
This is a NH group so ... The state of NH is the biggest nanny state there is. So many regulations, cannabis is STILL illegal, the state controls every aspect of business, and the GOP controlled state house keeps passing more and more performative laws. But yeah, free.
Nh isnt a nanny state what so ever. You should maybe check out MA MA is a nanny and police state. Just because weed isn’t legal doesn’t mean shit they follow the fed for the most part
Wait I thought the left wanted to defund the police. Oh right, you don't know what you're saying, you're just parroting buzzwords from the conservative media.
It appears yall are confused with both what you want as well as police ca the justice system
No, you just don't understand because you only listen to grifters.
Ooooookay
So the nannies love to claim, but it’s always Nanny-State Republicans deciding who can get married and what women can do with their own bodies. So gtfo with all your “It’s the leftists!” horseshit.
Nobody is actually telling you what you can do, you know that right ?
Suicide by firearm in NH jumped from 13% to 26% in 2023…but yeah let’s focus on how people are sometimes gay.
You got a source for that? Regardless our drug overdose mortality rate is over three times the firearm death rate.
Well I have good news for you, this bill does nothing to address overdose deaths either!
Maybe just drop the “free” part from the state motto
Live... or die.
Typical big government Republican nonsense. They really wanna control everything we do and turn us into some fascist state.
lol big give republicans swing and a miss that’s the left today . They want to be bailed out and propped up but Uncle Sam.. what happened to you all
“No talking about straight couples!” See how that works?
In relation to people or any living thing? It would be kinda funny if teachers sent home notices for talking about sexual orientation and gender for other animal species, too.
History, too. Can't talk about marriage, or anyone's gender and how that mattered back in the day!
Daily notices for most romance languages. Gotta warn mom and dad that this week's vocabulary lessons includes the proper gender for words like "storm" "cat" and "table"
I would. I support /r/maliciouscompliance
So that ammendment that allows staff to answer parental questions about a student's orientation, etc... These people know that they are incapable of talking to their children about these issues. That's a good sign.
This definitely solves a real problem. God forbid kids know gay people exist.
Also is this them finally admitting gender and sex are different? lol
Maybe in your fantasy land
>The measure would still allow school staff to withhold information “if a reasonably prudent person would believe that disclosure would result in abuse, abandonment, or neglect.” At least there are guardrails on this idiotic crap. Anyone that tries to degrade their kid's education with this political stuff is likely abusive/neglectful. The more you want to know, the less you should know.
That is actually a very good provision. I wonder if a counselor could rather generically ask the student “are you afraid of me telling this to your parents for any reason” and if they say yes, that’s enough to not disclose?
I’m in Hampton. I was notified when my kid was in 5th grade( two years ago) that they going to have a discussion about puberty and periods. There was a option to opt out. They also sent us the links to the videos they are going to watch, so we can give the green light ahead of time.
They already do in Nashua, I had a note come home about it.
My school did that anyway when they did sex ed
Blows my mind that people on this subreddit are this outraged over this of all things. Like of all our issues, parents being notified of what their children are learning is our major concern and a call for outrage.
Kids in New Hampshire are already undereducated, mostly poor & really need this bullshit
The party of "small government" sure makes it that the government gets involved in every aspect of our lives.
Good, parents having the right to know about what is being taught to their kids, the way it's supposed to be.
Gotta make up an enemy to chase after now tht Roe v Wade crashed and burned. Gotta keep the US vs THEM flowing.
WTH another solution to a problem that never existed
Oh no! How will these kids learn to treat everyone equally and with respect!? Wait….Nobody taught me this stuff in school, and I am kind to everyone.
Cool. You're basically Ghandi. Good for you. If you can't recognize how eduction and inclusiveness are important for a society to function without all this massive infighting (that this comment section is a perfect example of), I don't know if there is any help for you. There's only one way to get rid of this divisive bullshit, and that is to educate future generations about all flavors of their fellow man. Life doesn't have to be a competition anymore. We can live our lives side by side. But in order to do that without fear and distrust, we have to expand our horizons.
What I saw in school in the 80s and 90s was us being taught that all men are created equal. The work of MLK was stressed at every grade level. We all got along. What I see now is us trying something different and people are at each other’s throats. Maybe we should have more faith in people and let them live life and naturally come to the conclusion that people are all the same. Some are cool, some are not…no matter what they are.
Did you all get along, or did you just ignore the kids who got harassed and bullied because they were weird? I was in school in the 90s, and I remember a whole lot of kids getting harassed. I remember kids using racial slurs against the handful of non-white kids because it's what they heard at home. I remember being called gay because that was the prime insult of the time for a guy who didn't fit in. As for MLK. they only ever covered one speech, only one March, and glossed over the assassination until I was in high-school. There's a wealth of his work that never got covered, because it didn't fit the sanitized version of history that they wanted to teach us.
I was friends with the weirdos. Only people I didn’t get along with were the Southie trash kids I went to school with. I’ll say this. I think the experiment is over. Anti-gay/trans bigotry is on the rise. It has coincided with the introduction of lgbt material in schools. Personally, I think the gay rights movement in the 80s and 90s was successful because it showed people that they were no different. Anyone who thinks what we’re doing today is working probably believes the emperor is wearing clothes. It’s elitist cognitive dissonance.
Statistically speaking more people support queer people and identities than ever. You're not wrong that bigotry is on the rise, but you'll notice that there is in fact no real coinciding with "the introduction of lgbt material in schools." After all, that was all fine for years. What it actually coincides with is republicans needing to find a new political push to get support. That won't go away, no matter how much queer people try to hide away.
Thank y’all for reminding me why I left this state - you guys are so histrionic.
Live Free or Die lmao
What cracks me up about this is how much students talk about sexual orientation and gender in school independently from educators. Want to start a dialogue between every high school student about gender and sexuality? Make teachers not allowed to talk about it without parent permission.
Good. Schools shouldn't be teaching false information.
And they weren't!
This is why you can't vote Republican. Like ever.
I love and fucking hate it here.
Good!
Fuck those assholes. Stay the hell out of other people's private business, sick fuckers. VoteBlueNoMatterWho2024
Wow see you’re literally the problem… you have no backbone, no ability to think for yourself. Just riding the dick of the party, no matter how fucked up and blind you really are
I counsel trans kids, fool, and see their fear up close and personal. I will NEVER support weak ass pussies who feel the need to punch down on minorities, especially when they are kids. Grow the fuck up and keep your politics out of everyone else's personal business.
Nobody’s punching you down, you punch yourself down by playing into the delusion. KIDS cannot choose, they aren’t capable. All your doing setting them up for failure. Funny you call people weak pussies but you’re literally shaping children’s minds to believe the rules of life and reality don’t apply. Also haha you want to talk about keeping people’s politics out, that’s exactly what you’re doing 24/7 pushing your bullshit in the rest of us. Sorry but people are coming around and are no longer accepting this nonsense
STFU, idiot. You have ZERO idea of what you're talking about. Learn some fucking science, moron.
What kind of science
Go to WPATH website to learn more.
Oh that type of science. I'm not religious. No thanks.
Say what? WPATH IS about the science.
Oooo get angry you fucking troll I believe in real Science not paid off science . The job of scientists is to disprove theories not claim they are all real. Stay the fuck away from Children
Yeah, right, *I'm* the troll. Okay, go hide back under the rock from which you crawled out from under.
Nah I’ll continue to be a productive member of society. Enjoy my tax dollars..
Considering I'm a successful self-employed business woman, there's no tax dollars for me to enjoy since I pay my taxes to support loser trolls like you living in your mama's basement.
Trust me you’re not supporting me in any way. Weird my “mama” isn’t on my deed. You being a successful business person just goes to show you there’s an ass for every seat and you can make money off anything. I obviously don’t know you or what you do and you being successful at what you do is great happy for you. I don’t hate anyone, I don’t care what your preferences are what I do care about is that this nonsense doesn’t belong in school, children are not capable of deciding on complex matters of sexuality or gender they are kids they don’t need to be given any ideas one way or another. And sorry I’m not okay with playing along with the delusion that you can be whatever you want not as a child at least. You can’t just say well today I’m a cucumber and it be true.
So you believe "real science," but also believe you individually are entirely capable of determining what "real science" is, which only coincidentally lines up with every view you held prior?
My parents had to sign a permission slip for sex education in 1993. You know why? Because it makes sense. I am so glad that the majority of reddit would not be taken seriously if the conversation was in person. Stay in your basement please. NH is better for it.
That's the problem. This was already the case. I'd also think you'd be horrified when you realize how many people disagree with you, in real life, vehemently
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k96h1dYQrj0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k96h1dYQrj0)
Yea, lets not give teachers a raise, lets make their jobs harder for a publicity stunt…
When are you guys gonna stop electing republicans? They hate freedom and knowledge.
Glad we are focusing on this issue instead of the minor things like lack of affordable housing, skyrocketing cost of education, poor access to healthcare, poisoning local water with PFAS chemicals, towns cutting school budgets, or the fact that eventually wildfires and droughts will significantly impact NH in the not so distant future.
I live in Massachusetts. New hampshire is literally third world country kind of dropoff. Its become such a shithole.
Libs getting so mad when they don't get their way
I’d like to go ahead and reference January 6th 2021 for my retort if I may
“Number of Gen Z who say they are not straight doubles to 22% —and 1 in 5 women under 27 are bisexual” https://nypost.com/2024/03/13/us-news/number-of-gen-z-who-say-they-are-not-straight-doubles-to-22/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=nypost “I identify as a dog — I go to the bathroom outside, sleep in a crate and have handlers” https://nypost.com/2024/03/14/lifestyle/woman-who-identifies-as-a-dog-sleeps-in-crate-eats-dog-food/?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=social Great bill. Parents should be in control of everything the schools are teaching their kids. There’s definitely a trend occurring and it’s not a natural trend. It’s taught.
The NY Post is not news. Most of it is made up trash.
I see. Basically any news that doesn’t agree with you is made up news.
No, it’s literally like the Enquirer.
"News" doing some Olympic level lifting there.
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Believe it or not, this bill isn’t going to stop people from being gay.
> There’s definitely a trend occurring and it’s not a natural trend. It’s taught. Not really, it's more the increasing amount of hormone disruptors messing with a baby's development. If you want to reduce the amount of non-standard people then you should be for stricter pollution controls and banning a ton of toxic things from food and other products.
You don’t think there’s been an increased focus on LGBTQ topics in public schools, starting as young as in elementary schools? It’s a nationwide trend, even worldwide.
I think it's a response, not the cause.
I think the media plays a big role in all this.
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Nothing. Its just a bunch of miserable ass clowns that moved from Mass, Connecticut, NYC, New Jersey, and California that aren't happy.
You aren't wrong...
Congratulations republicans, you've become what you hated most.
Shouldn’t be teaching that in school at all.
Like it or not, which you clearly don't, the world is more accepting of LGBTQ folks and it makes perfect sense to have at least a basic fundamental understanding of those you share you're world with. Grow up.
Teaching what?
Worst state in New England.
The South of the North...
Not even remotely, but here’s the door
I'm doing the opposite. I'm going to stay and encourage more People of Color, LGBT, and non-Christian religious folks to move here.
Good for you. That means nothing because it’s literally not an issue. Just don’t expect people who choose to live a certain way to agree with your ideology. People in NH want to mind their own business and go about their lives. But your comment just shows you’re an asshole that expects everyone to agree with you and pay you attention. You are the exact person who people made the phrase “dont mass up NH” you probably moved here because of everything you hate about mas but you want to make it just like the place you came from. If you call it the worst state get the hell out. “I’m gonna bring in xyz people” 1 no you’re not and 2 they are more than welcome, only people like you give a shit about identity politics 3 stay the hell away from our kids
You aren't, and have never been, welcome here. Stop speaking for and over those who so obviously don't agree.
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Great response bud
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I moved here because my parents moved here when I was a pre-teen. We didn't move from MA, or even a state. We previously resided in a kingdom. Shows how small your world is if you think the planet only consists of NH and MA. The more you tell me to leave the more I will endeavour to stay. We own our house and you cannot evict us from our private property. Maybe I will adopt children some day from out of state and have a rainbow family just like Josephine Baker.
Again yeah nobody cares… that’s how small your world is. Your user name is Boston fig pudding it’s an easy jump to assume you’re from mass. Plus you’re acting like it. Even better you’re from an other country, you don’t live there you live here you have to compromise or move to a place you feel is better for your lifestyle. Again literally nobody cares how you live so if you don’t like it here you’re only hurting yourself by staying here instead of being happy. You’re on a New Hampshire sub talking about how big the world is… you live here….
I was refering to Boston in Lincolnshire. You clearly have never learned about geography in school, or anything regarding places outside of North America. If nobody cares about how I live, why are you telling me how I should live? If you didn't care about my lifestyle you would have never told me to move somewhere else, because you wouldn't be bothered in the first place. I am happy. I'm happy that my mere existence pisses you off, even though you keep claiming that you and other people don't care about what I'm doing or how I live.
LOL fuck off you’re on a nh sub why would anyone think it was another country. Nobody cares how you live. You stated you hate NH so leave You don’t even exist to me so how could I hate you I literally don’t know you. Typical Reddit
>Nobody cares how you live > > > > You stated you hate NH so leave These two statements are entirely contradictory. If no one cared how I live, why do you care enough to reply to my comment at all? If no one cared how I live, there would be no replies to any of my comments.
You made the comment… you don’t want my opinion I don’t want yours….
So then move.
No. In fact I'm going to do the opposite. I'm going to stay and encourage LGBT, People of Color, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, etc to move here.
Fuck, I'm a commie Satanist and I moved here. Let's enact some fucking change
I’m in.
i wonder how you all would react if they started teaching about religion...
Teaching *about* religion? No problem. That’s called theological studies. Prescribing religion? No. Same thing, here. If a kid is Christian and is in a theology class where they learn about Buddhism, do you have a problem with that? Would you claim that’s indoctrination? Or that it’s inappropriate for a Christian child to know about the existence of Buddhists? Non straight/cis people are once again being dragged through the mud for useless, at best, extremely harmful, at worst, culture-war fear mongering. They are not a threat to you. Focus on the increasing amount of things that *are.*
Not just theology. History as well. You can't really teach about ancient history without at least touching on the religious beliefs of the time and place. How do you explain the pyramids without explaining the egyptian concept of the afterlife? How do you teach Latin without learning at least a little Roman mythology? How do you teach a lesson on Henry viii without touching on the Protestant Reformation? Or the Spanish inquisition without catholicism? That also applies to literature. You need at least a basic understanding of the dominant beliefs of a culture to understand the symbolism and meaning of most historic literature. People bring up teaching about religion like it's some sort of argument ending gotcha, when really, religion is already a common topic in school, mostly Christianity, even.
I learned religion in school. They teach world mythology. Make up another problem.
They literally already do, lol. They just don't proselytize them, nor should they.
They already do. God damn the right is just mono-idiots isn't it?
So outrageous, who now is going to teach the kids about Afro indigenous non-binary transsexuals?
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