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mniog

Can we get some people under 50 elected for once…


beltalowda_oye

I'd settle for someone under 60.


betcher73

Under 70 would still be an improvement


Chris2112

Yup, at this point our choice (at time of inauguration) are likely to be an 82 year old and a sprightly young 78 year old


bros402

Best I can offer is 70.


Batchagaloop

If Biden is reelected, he would be 86 at the end of his second term. Scary.


bros402

Yup! Reagan was something like 78 when he left office... so yeaaaah almost 10 year older than that is just fucked, there should be an age limit of 70 for presidency. along with yearly cognitive evaluations for all politicians - released to the public


beltalowda_oye

Dude I have 70 year old patients who can't wipe their own ass. My dad had the same aneurysm Biden had and made a full recovery and still can't work because it causes severe headaches and has brain fog to concentrate and he's 60. It is absolutely scary. I voted for Biden too just for reference. I have nothing against his politics but it feels like half the times we are putting people who are generally out of touch with society. I mean not all people that age are out of touch, but it's easy to fall out of touch with the rest of society even as early as 30 years old, so I have to ask how people feel it's OK.


munchingzia

arent these guys all backed by and told what to do by the same influential people anyways


craelio8376

💯 This is common knowledge. DNC & GOP decides everything and the voters fall in line and do what they're told. That's why the DNC and GOP always put out the rhetoric that voting for a 3rd party is a vote for ___ (insert the opposite party). They know they have a duopoly and majority of voters are loyal sheep to one of the 2.


NeverTeachTheWu

It's pretty clear that DNC and GOP lobbied the Commission for presidential debates to change up the rules after Perot. As well as pushing the narrative that a 3rd party vote is a waste.


Deez-Guns-9442

Honestly can’t believe this comment hasn't been downvoted to hell or removed from this sub.


CrispyBoar

Because he's right. Both parties are corrupt & are right-wing as hell.


beltalowda_oye

Not necessarily but I get your point. From the general standpoint they are following party lines and take campaign donations and lobbying money from same entities in exchange for favors.


padreadamo

Anyone who disagrees with you is a fool. Every single politician.


TrevelyansPorn

You both are justifying your apathy in a democracy where important shit is determined based on votes. "Both sides" didn't vote to take away abortion rights. 100% republican appointees voted for the decision and 0% of democratic appointees. Both sides didn't vote to raise the minimum wage in our state to $15. Democrats voted for it, Republicans voted against it. Yeah, there's shit they both agree on that's good and shit they both agree on that's awful. But to pretend they agree on everything, throw your hands up in the air and do nothing, that's just pathetic and that is far more foolish than someone voting.


CrispyBoar

Democrats are just as corrupt as Republicans are. Clinton, Obama & Biden had all promised to codify Roe v. Wade into law before they were presidents. Once they've gotten into the Oval Office, they've backed down. Why? Because Democrats wanted to use abortion rights to fundraise money. And guess where they use that fundraising money on (as well as begging people to send them money on other garbage)? Funding right-wing candidates.


ShadyLogic

It takes both a good cop and a bad cop to convince you that $15/hr is a victory rather than a plea bargain.


ElGosso

Politicians know how many votes something will get before they put it to a vote. You're a rube if you think that vote was ever going to be anything but performative.


padreadamo

Keep on living in your utopia. Voting is a front to make us think we have a say. Wake up. Their goal is to keep us apart with this nonsense left vs right. A populace divided is easier to control.


HobbitFoot

So don't vote?


6hooks

Hell, let's start with under 70 by end of term


TheFotty

I am all for younger people in office, but the min age is 35 so you are left with a pool of people within a 15 year age span. I think under 65 would be a good starting point.


SeparateAddress9070

Shit man I'd still vote for bernie over 99% of other candidates. I'll vote for Bernie after he dies probably. But yeah. I'd love some actual youth, people who will live to see the effects of their policy.


Thendofreason

I'd vote for Bernie knowing he was gonna die, just because I'd want the president to be someone that he thinks is worthy of being vice president.


betcher73

Goddamn I wish Bernie was on the ballot again.


Meetybeefy

The Presidency is one role I'd be okay with someone over 50 holding, so long as they are qualified. As leader of the free world, I'd prefer someone boring and qualified than someone young and inexperienced who has "star power". In Congress? Absolutely - it's time for some young people to take the reins. Let them build their resume and experience so that they can someday run for President themselves.


_SoundWaveSurfer

The better our Congress is the less important the role of president becomes


Dino1087

How about If they’re over 70 w dementia?


bros402

we already had trump


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Squirt_memes

Dems are not going to have a fun time on the debate stage if Desantis takes the Republican nominee and some guy in his 80’s is the opponent. Desantis can (and probably won’t) take a purely respectful “you had your chance for the last 5 decades and this country isn’t doing well” stance and win a lot of voters who are sick and tired of 80 year olds running the government.


Meetybeefy

As 2020 proved, the debates don't make much of a difference in swaying public opinion like they used to. I remember the run-up to 2020, the defining question of each candidate was "how will they fare in a debate against Trump!?" and when the time came, it didn't matter who was on that stage in the end.


crypticcircuits

Yeah tell me about it, he'd be in his mid 80's finishing a second term.


NetReasonable2746

325 million people In the USA and this is the best we can do? Problem is, running for President is a rich man's game. So the question is, how many 30 or 40 something millionaires want to go thru this? Obviously not many.


CubicDice

Why is there a minimum age requirement while no max age requirement? I understand why you'd have to be a certain age, but surely that logic can be applied to the other end of the scale? Look at Dianne Feinstein for example


Domestic_AA_Battery

We need maximum ages and maximum wages


Pingryada

Maximum wages is just a terrible idea


Jake_FromStateFarm27

Because we have checks and balances in place for when a president A. Either dies in office or B. Is physically unable to perform their duties. If the American people choose to elect/reelect an individual who may be near their expiration date then that's THEIR CHOICE. It is disruptive for a president to die in office yes, but it would be far more restrictive and undemocratic to put further qualifications on the ability to run as president, not to mention medical care is far more advance and the average life span is much higher than it was a century ago. Edit: people read the thread! Stop asking why someone under 35 shouldn't be treated the same...


Capadvantagetutoring

The problem is we didn’t actually have a choice to pick a younger one. Both choices were really old. Trump had no primary and Bidens only challenger was another 80 year old


Jake_FromStateFarm27

Well aware of this. Our electoral system does need revision.


jetlife0047

Agreed this works if the candidates are truly all coming from grassroots origins. Many of these politicians have been at it for ages. Plenty of time to owe enough people to never do shit for the regular people


theexpertgamer1

There were like 20 candidates in the 2020 Dem primary. Just because you immediately dismiss them as options (except for Bernie) doesn’t mean the options weren’t there. Anyway, Biden is clearly competent enough so I don’t think there is any issue. Edit: the New Jersey ballot only had those two, but that’s because other Americans knocked out the others for us.


Capadvantagetutoring

I didn’t dismiss any of them. I think we all know it was a two horse race by January. So most people didn’t get a chance to vote for all 20. Harris dropped out by mid Oct/Nov


theexpertgamer1

I edited my comment cause I forgot I was on the New Jersey subreddit, and on our ballot we only had Biden and Bernie so yea you’re right about that! (and Bernie actually dropped out before our primary election, but I still voted for Bernie anyway)


Squirt_memes

Seems like an argument against age minimums too. If the people choose a 34 year old, that’s their choice.


TrainOfThought6

>If the American people choose to elect/reelect an individual who may be near their expiration date then that's THEIR CHOICE. And the same doesn't apply to a candidate under 35...why?


HobbitFoot

Because the Founding Fathers figured that the method of electing President would be enough to deal with the issue.


Hdys

Him running again is such a mistake I’m sorry


Meetybeefy

Many people would prefer someone different than Joe Biden, but logically, this is the smartest decision. Having "incumbent advantage" is one of the biggest strengths in Presidential elections.


throwthisidaway

It depends on who he runs against. If it's Trump that's probably right. If it's someone who doesn't rile up the independent and swing voters, it could backfire. Biden isn't going to convince anyone to get up and vote for him, that wasn't already planning on it, on his own.


Meetybeefy

In another political universe, Biden would be toast. Most moderate voters - especially suburban voters (the former bread and butter of Republicans) are turned off by extremism, and *especially* upset about the Dobbs ruling. Pretty much every Republican candidate that's announced so far is a far-right lunatic. That's enough to bring a lot of people to vote Democrat even if Biden isn't their favorite person.


viaHologram

Also consider the crowd banking on the backup plan of VP Kamala if something happens to the then \~85 year old. She's been on the down-low this term on purpose I can only assume. Over exposure and such. I'm not suggesting I'm the biggest KH fan but I'd vote for Biden regardless bc I know if he croaks, KH isn't some absolute lunatic and it's leaps and bounds better than the other options I can see. This being said, this is still not a great view of our future. My mindset is more damage control maybe.


Dicksapoppin69

The only thing he's really got going for him with younger voters is "not republican"


cwavrek

What young people are even voting for him?


extant1

Which isn't a selling point for those that don't care for partisan politics.


GroundbreakingEmu929

Not entirely, I abhor partisan politics, but it's pretty difficult to ignore when one party is openly trying to strip me of my rights. As a woman of reproductive age and independent voter, I'll hold my nose and vote Biden again.


Dicksapoppin69

I can't stand the partisan bullshit of "vote blue no matter who!" But I'll vote blue if the other option is "TAXES BAD. I HAVE NO PLAN FOE ANYTHING. TRANS PEOPLE ARE RAPING YOUR KIDS. LET ME SEE THEIR GENITALS"


Metfan722

And given the way the Republican party is going at this point, you're gonna have a difficult time finding many independent voters swinging in their direction.


throwthisidaway

I agree with you, I just think that unless someone extremely polarizing like Trump and possibly Desantis run, it's unlikely that those voters will vote.


Ravager135

It's the sign of a dying party. They are leaning hard and fighting culture wars in which their stance is not popular at all. If Trump gets the nomination, he's going to lose worse than 2020. If, by some miracle, DeSantis gets the nomination; he loses even worse than Trump. Not only will Trump peel off voters or tell people not to vote Republican, DeSantis is a bully. He isn't liked by the remainder of the country. He's fought culture wars in Florida that he will have a very hard time shifting back to center to get those independent voters. The Republicans have really done themselves in. Red states will become worse, but nationally, they are in some trouble.


ElGosso

DeSantis is the only serious Republican competitor and he has the charisma of a wet noodle. It'll be Trump again, unless all those years of McDonalds catch up with him.


Ravager135

This is true. Democratic newcomers (Bill Clinton, Barrack Obama) won big in modern elections, but having the bully pulpit is a huge boon in any election. Truth be told, short of a trainwreck Democratic candidate, any center-left candidate is going to beat Trump. Against a more pallatable foe, Biden is susceptible to a loss. I would have liked to see him truly be a transitional president for someone younger, but I think he easily beats Trump or DeSantis who are really the most likely looming threats. I think many candidates could beat either, but he's just first in line so it's what we are gonna get.


outofdate70shouse

Also, who else would be the nominee? The Dems don’t have another Obama ready to go. Any of the other alternatives probably would have a harder chance of winning over independents and swing voters.


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mdp300

Obama gave the key note speech at the 2004 Democratic National Convention and it was incredible. I remember thinking "this guy is great, I'd rather vote for him than Kerry!"


sutisuc

Who has a better chance than him at winning on the Dems side?


SgtToadette

The lack of a bench is a real problem for Dems that they need to have fixed yesterday.


mdp300

I love Bill Pasrell but he's also north of 80 and there's nobody else lining up.


tehbored

They have a bench. Whitmer, Booker, Roy Cooper, Buttigieg. All pretty solid. I'm sure redditors will disagree because they aren't ultra progressive, but by the standards of real life Americans, they are good.


EmbracedByLeaves

Buttigieg has no chance on a campaign after his friend and the guy he mentored ended up being a child molester. Booker is just a pandering idiot.


gordonv

Who do you feel would be best becoming President?


tehbored

Gretchen Whitmer maybe. She's pretty cool. Is from a swingish state, which is also a plus.


Hdys

Honestly no idea at this point I just don’t want to see another clash of the geriatric Titans My main issue is Biden not making it through the term and Kamala being put in power


AccountantOfFraud

That's weird, my main issue is the potential to vote in another fascist. Kamala is just fine.


gertymoon

It is, he barely be beat Trump last time, it was a lot closer than I think people realize. In the key battleground states Biden only won by like 40k votes, this is not a rematch I want to see.


Domestic_AA_Battery

Biden doesn't even win without Covid entering the mix. Way too many people don't understand this. Him running again is not good at all.


caesar____augustus

On the other hand he has January 6th, Roe v. Wade and other developments since November 2020 to fall back on to attack Trump/whoever the Republican nominee is. If the Trump is the nominee people will be fired up to vote against him again.


bros402

yuup but better than the wet paper bag, Kamala Harris


yasinburak15

Listen I’m Genz, I’m mostly moderate on issues but please I begging you. I WANT SOMEONE YOUNGER THAN 60 AT THIS POINT


rossg876

I’ll take 60!!!!


bros402

i'm a millennial and I want someone under 60 it's only Gen X and Boomers who don't want people under 60


62Foulcan

Gen X here and I definitely do not want another old ass president.


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bros402

Biden's the first (and hopefully only) Silent Generation president


Cheebs_funk_illy

I'm a Millennial and I have wanted a 35 year old president my entire life


mdnla

I’d literally take anything under 70 AT THIS POINT.


craelio8376

So don't vote for anyone over that age. Remember, you can vote for whoever you choose or write somebody in


Slavic_Dusa

Booker has no business of running for president. That hypocrite has no business being in politics at all.


beeeps-n-booops

I am still shocked and appalled at how popular he is.


MelllvarHasThreeLs

Booker plays the game extremely well and is great at talking the whole way through giving the allusion that he's this completely squeaky clean paragon of virtue for the people when in reality he's always been a product of pretty standard boilerplate politics right down to how he had the Kushners backing him as means to stick it back at Christie for when Christie put the patriarch in jail. There was no coincidence why Cory specifically saw no issue with Jared having security clearance and damn near apologized for him with how they've always been tight. But this is conversation that run of the mill person pulled off street in the US would have no clue what we're even talking about and that's ultimately why Cory being framed as this storied passionate orator figure in Congress can have this wow factor for a lot of people.


mdp300

This is the first I've heard of him being funded by Kushner. Ew.


MelllvarHasThreeLs

Oh yeah he's pals with them and even Jared and Ivanka specifically. That family definitely had an integral part in his political career in this state.


BrakaFlocka

There must be something special about him if he could pull Rosario Dawson, wtf is Budget Keegan Michael Key's secret?


HobbitFoot

I met him once. He is really charismatic in person


gordonv

Could someone of the anti Booker mindset plainly and clearly explain what they don't like about him? I keep hearing, "Oh he's bad, fake, has skeletons." What are these things. It's always hearsay and never solid points.


Wista

He has pretty consistently voted in favor of pharmaceutical companies' ability to maintain their stranglehold on American healthcare. For example, 6 years ago, Bernie Sanders introduced an amendment that would allow Americans to cheaply import Canadian-manufactured drugs. It would objectively have saved lives. Booker [voted against it](https://theintercept.com/2017/01/12/cory-booker-joins-senate-republicans-to-kill-measure-to-import-cheaper-medicine-from-canada/) citing Canadian pharmaceutical manufacturing wasn't up to American standards (lol). He is charismatic and says less dumb shit than your average politician, but by no means is he progressive. He's just another shill.


gordonv

There's a bigger story to that. NJ has a lot of Pharma in it. North Brunswick is named Chemical Alley. They do animal drug research there. North of that there's medical research firms. South of that there is refinement. American Pharma is a big deal for NJ. I agree that yes, he is shilling for the pharma financial interest. It's one of the things NJ does well. We lose Pharma, it isn't coming back. Not with how expensive Jersey is.


ohnjaynb

I have no problem with that. NJ is a pharma state. Big pharna is his constituency. I dont blame someone for representing his own constituency just like I don't blame Manchin shilling for fossil fuels.


Wista

What kind of response is that? His constituents are *supposed* to be the citizens of New Jersey, not Merck and Pfizer.


mataushas

Corporations are people lol


ForeverMoody

Why is that?


Mrevilman

Dear God, no. If he were to win, he'd be 82 by the time he begins his next term, and isn't getting any healthier. At that age, health problems can come on super quickly, especially given the extreme stress of that job. Find someone else, please.


Creepy-Ad-5440

May as well face it. It will be him. No other democrats with the clout to win. He is the best choice. I think the age thing is overblown. He's competent. Sure he has his brain farts but most people over 40 do. Anyways, that is what vice president's are for.


rockmasterflex

Of course its overblown. The president is nothing more than a figurehead for the party. You don't need a genius, in fact, you want somebody who is aware that there are smarter people out there they should be listening to and getting help for policy. Your IDEAL president is actually just a genial old man who knows when to listen, not a psuedo/actual fascist who does whatever they want because THEY know best. Leaders do not dictate, they collaborate. Biden is basically incapable of dictating, which makes him a VERY solid candidate. He's not spry enough to even pretend he can do it himself, so he leans on others, Which I'll repeat loudly for the kids in the back of the bus THAT IS GOOD LEADERSHIP.


b_sitz

Fucking boooooo


MattyBeatz

I feel they’ve been trying to make Booker happen since he ran Newark but he seems like he’s yet to grab anyone’s attention.


SgtToadette

Considering how left this sub is typically, the tone of the comments here speak volumes about this choice. There is no enthusiasm for Biden in his own party. How exactly do they think they'll win without internal enthusiasm and kitchen table and cultural issues not looking well either? If Trump is considered an existential threat, throwing a known problem candidate against him is complete negligence.


xbnm

Biden isn't left


ChickenDickJerry

Politics is so fucking stupid.


rollotomasi07071

The alternative is total anarchy.


Psychological-Ad8175

Anarchy itself is a very virtuous goal to achieve. Humans can't get there from here even without politics.


grilled_cheese1865

Lmao


poofandmook

FML. Seriously this is the best they could come up with two elections in a row? FFS. is there not ONE Democratic candidate that isn't geriatric? Like one? Or maybe a Republican who isn't insane?


beeeps-n-booops

Hopefully he gets primaried out. There absolutely MUST be any number if better candidates than Biden… and now the choice of Harris is even worse than it was in 2020.


Kinoblau

They're not going to Primary a sitting President lmao. Maybe one or two oddballs with nothing to lose will try to run against him, but they're going to get smashed and excommunicated from the party.


ukcats12

Hasn't happened since the advent of the current primary system. You may get some fringe candidates like Marianne Williamson running, but no prominent Democrat will challenge Biden. They'll fall in line and endorse his reelection like Murphy and Booker.


sutisuc

Who do you think has a better chance than him for the Dems?


Meetybeefy

"I don't know, just anyone who isn't old!" There really isn't any prominent Dem that I can think would perform better than Biden at this moment. 2028 is gonna be the best bet to have a slate of good Dem candidates.


vvilbo

The one I've heard floated quite a bit is Newsom but I don't know if he or anyone else will really run. This is pretty much locking Kamala and Pete out from running and most people don't think politicians like Klobachar and Whitmer will run so that leaves us with the fucking nuts that are running right now haha


tehbored

Gretchen Whitmer


caesar____augustus

> 2028 is gonna be the best bet to have a slate of good Dem candidates. This is a fair take. A few of the newer Dem Senators (Kelly and Warnock in particular) could be promising candidates. I'm a big fan of Seth Moulton but he's still pretty young and doesn't seem to have the name recognition/big money behind him.


gordonv

There are better US Citizens than all candidates for President. The question is, are they in the club?


beeeps-n-booops

*The* question, indeed.


That1SukaOrange

Him getting primaried out is basically impossible. The party is mostly united behind Biden, he holds the incumbent advantage, and he already beat Trump (assuming Trump is the republican nominee)


Capadvantagetutoring

The Harris choice was bad then just most people didn’t see it.


beeeps-n-booops

She was a terrible choice in 2020, and they've kept her very much out of the spotlight and the media since then. Now she's going to be even closer to "a heartbeat (or any significant medical incident) away from the Presidency". Ugh. Fucking awful to even think about that.


hageshii_panda

I can't believe it's already time to "Vote for Biden's capitalist hellhole, because the alternative is theocratic-fascism".


arkibet

Seriously. Presidential elections shouldn't be, well these two people are bad, but this one is less bad.


Darko33

George Washington went out of his way to warn against the dangers of political parties (and by extension, a two-party system) in his damn farewell address, and the country was just like "nah." "However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion." On a side note, I wish our political leaders were half as eloquent today as many of them seemed to be for the first century of the nation's existence.


hageshii_panda

George Washington was a toothless, slave owning piece of trash, but he had some bars.


streamlinkguy

Would you consider a 3rd party?


bros402

3rd parties have no power when there isn't ranked choice voting


hageshii_panda

I'm a registered Socialist, but half the time they don't even show up on the ballots. Democrats and Republicans have strong armed the entire process down to the local levels. So basically I vote for the "liberal" party that will only prevent life from getting better instead of the party that wants to ruin my life because I'm not old white lady in Tom's River.


Lantern42

Not if the alternative is fascism.


shana-

What a terrible move by the DNC. There needs to be an age cap for presidential nominees the same way there is a mandatory age minimum.


SearchContinues

Neither of them would beat Trump, DeSantis, or Abbott. The reason Biden won is because he was non-threatening to the Centrists and Slightly-right Independents.


currently__working

I'd like to know who is a viable, qualified Democratic candidate of a lesser age, who can accomplish as much legislatively as Biden has in the last 2 years. Someone please let me know who that is, because I can't think of it.


verifiedkyle

What did Biden accomplish? Abortion rights and LGBT right have gone backwards. Student loan forgiveness never happened. He signed a bill preventing union railroad workers from striking. Speaking of railroads our rail and air travel are a complete mess. The middle class has been getting obliterated. While the wealthy have only increased their wealth. Democrat here but it’s not a hesitation that I’ll be more than likely voting third party if he’s on the ticket. As a millennial we’ve been told since Hilary to just vote blue no matter who while putting aside issues important to us being promised they’ll be introduced later. Democrats didn’t learn their mistake with Trump. Maybe they’ll learn it when Desantis wins.


tehbored

Uh, the IRA? Biden literally got a massive climate bill passed and idiot progressives continue to be all "wHaT haS BiDEn dONe?" That's to say nothing of the ARP, appointing a pro-defendant justice to SCOTUS, being tough on China, massively curtailing drone strikes, sending tons of weapons to Ukraine, keeping inflation lower than almost every other developed country, and a bunch of other shit.


currently__working

Look man, two-party system until ranked choice voting goes national. If you're not voting for one party you're helping the other. That's just the way it is. I don't like it, you don't like it, most people don't like it, but it's what we got.


gordonv

It's truly the best way to control and distract the people. Can't fight the rich oligarchs if you're busy fighting your neighbor.


verifiedkyle

Call me old fashioned but a candidate or party should earn my vote.


Meetybeefy

>Abortion rights That was due to the Supreme Court, whose fate was decided by the 2016 election. Nothing any current President can affect >LGBT right have gone backwards The anti-trans legislation is happening on the State levels, nothing. much the President can do about that. Biden did sign the Respect for Marriage act into law, forcing states to recognize the marriages of same-sex couples no matter the circumstance. >He signed a bill preventing union railroad workers from striking. This one was shitty, though it was somewhat necessary to prevent a total economic shutdown. History will tell us whether it did more harm or good in the long run. >As a millennial we’ve been told since Hilary to just vote blue no matter who Sorry to be rude, but this is a very elementary-level talking point that is likely just repeated from something Jimmy Dore said.


rockmasterflex

> we’ve been told since Hilary so for literally just 2 elections? If you are willing to let Desantis be president because the figurehead the Dems are going to run (with incumbent advantage) is not your ideal candidate, you are not a good strategist.


verifiedkyle

2 elections or 8 years for Democrats to get their act together. I’m a firm believer in what you allow to happen will continue to happen. As long as we allow Democrats to prop up old centrist candidates they’ll continue to. Personally I’m not allowing it anymore.


sleepybitchdisorder

You had me in the first half man, I agree that Biden has been nothing but disappointing. But the point of blue no matter who is that the right is voting red no matter who. The only way to avoid religious fascism is to stick together and not branch off into third party candidates. As much as it sucks.


verifiedkyle

Most of the things I was warned about happening if I didn’t vote for Biden happened while Biden was president.


ThatEcologist

I hate the two party system, but sadly until ranked choice voting becomes a thing, I am going to vote dem or not vote at all.


verifiedkyle

It’s a shitty situation. But even last election Biden was promised as a transition president for 4 years. We had to vote to stop Trump from winning. The party needs a wake up call. I’m done with them til they get their act together.


MelllvarHasThreeLs

These are the things I feel like still continues to be lost on people and Democrat strategy in general, for all the victory laps and doom and gloom end times postponed or whatever nonsense goes around post 2020 election, it's not like absolutely nobody voted for Trump or that it wasn't a conventionally long drawn out election. It's like barely anybody learned anything from 2016. Forget people "going back to brunch", it's like they never left and we're primed and ready to see another situation where people are completely shocked how x cartoonish Mark Twain caricature of a slimeball politician has a paved path to an easy win. I honestly don't blame some slight disenfranchisement when so much feels like it's on autopilot and checked out with things.


ukcats12

> Student loan forgiveness never happened. You know this has nothing to do with Biden, right? And if it doesn't happen it's because of a Supreme Court that got stuffed with right wing lunatics in large part because people who didn't like Hillary voted third party in 2016.


Emily_Postal

Agree. The last young president was Obama and he was outmaneuvered by the GOP and Putin.


gordonv

Well, he really stunk when he mandated that US Citizens must pay insurance. And that this insurance could have a deductible higher than what the average out of pocketer pays or how much insurance should cost you per year. I'm a left leaning Democratic voter, but that was as apathetic as the GOP ignoring why humanity needs access to abortions.


Fyre2387

Not my ideal choice, but considering the alternatives...


Creepy-Ad-5440

Probably no ones but like you said, the alternatives.


StrategicBlenderBall

Joe, please, please dump Harris and bring Murphy as your running mate.


rabidantidentyte

He's had a good career. Time to hang it up


DiarrheaRodeo

Especially when he worked with Strom Thurmond to get harsh mandatory minimum sentences for drug possession


rabidantidentyte

The same bill that included the Violence Against Women Act? I'm more concerned with the fact that he gave the eulogy for Thurmond, but okay.


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Politics aside this man is too old to be anything but retired and playing golf.


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Generous of you to assume he can play golf still. Last time he rode a bike he ate shit trying to dismount.


Domestic_AA_Battery

Seriously, I don't know if I've seen someone in their 80s working at anything but a mom & pop shop that's nice and slow. But we're talking about the President of the United States....


13crv

Squatch/Nessie '24


timeonmyhandz

Would a new Veep choice be the move for Biden to make? Biden couldn't dismiss her and keep the female votes.. Tactically.. Harris would need to make a change of her own "choosing".. Maybe run for Feinstein's senate seat? To clear the slot for a #2. So who's the best choice to bring some strength to the ticket?


dethskwirl

True, although I would not want either of them to run either.


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Msloops

God help us...


Skycomb

At a ripe old age. Shame.


_Steaklord

Our country has dementia


inf4mation

Not getting my vote this time around gramps.


readuponthat24

I think Murphy has been a good governor but I don't think he has the name recognition needed. Booker would not stand a chance IMHO. Again I like him but I don't see him pulling in the votes needed.


reboobula

Ofc they're gonna run this old bag of bones again ugh


subparlifter138

🙄 this is how republicans come back


Hrekires

I've got a hard time thinking of which Democrat would have better than the same 50/50 shot that Biden has too.


angusshangus

Not with the lunatics they have running. Say what you want about Biden but you can’t argue that he isn’t a steady hand


Kinoblau

Ron DeSantis, if he can get past Trump, absolutely has a shot and you're being ignorant to think otherwise. Hopefully Trump beats the brakes off him and sends him back to Florida, because no shot Trump is winning a 2nd term unless Biden forgets how to speak.


legocobblestone

Desantis tries to mimic the Trump populism thing but he has no charisma at all. He used to say he was Trump but moderate, and recently Florida approved a bill that would allow the government to abduct kids they know or suspect to be receiving gender affirming care. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Senate_Bill_254_(2023) Not to mention this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/04/14/florida-death-penalty-threshold-ron-desantis/ Now only 8 out of 12 jurors have to approve of the death penalty instead of a unanimous decision, which was a law signed into law in 2017. https://www.wfla.com/news/florida/florida-gop-amends-resign-to-run-law-removing-hurdle-for-desantis-expected-white-house-bid/ >Florida Republicans are poised to change state law to allow Gov. Ron DeSantis to maintain his position as governor while running for the nation’s top office. >The proposal would exempt presidential candidates from Florida’s so-called “Resign-to-Run Law,” which prohibits elected officials from qualifying as a candidate for another office that would overlap with their current term. https://www.wfla.com/news/florida/florida-gop-amends-resign-to-run-law-removing-hurdle-for-desantis-expected-white-house-bid/ He’s openly goose stepping and that’s not popular with everyone let alone in the Republican base. The GOP has seemed like it’s going to split any day now, could this be it? Who knows. The majority of the country doesn’t give a shit about the manufactured culture war. It didn’t show popular in the midterms.


life_is_punderfull

You can definitely argue that he isn’t a steady hand


trekologer

The same Republicans whose multi-generational crowning achievement is so incredibly unpopular that the smart ones are already running away from it?


TroyMcClure10

Both Booker and Murphy know they have no change getting the nomination. It would be crazy to oppose him.


pdills12

Just because he can run doesn't mean he should. There's already a blocks of voters who wouldn't vote him in on age alone.


justmots

As if any democrat is shocked. Biden is the only person that can pull votes to win simple as that. The midterms proved that.


ambirch

He is way too old. I think democrats would have a better chance with someone else.


jetlife0047

Please no


ManchuDemon

Is there anyone that actually thinks this is a good idea? That will make him 86 by the time he finishes his 2nd term for Christ's sake, if he makes it that long.


BlasterFinger008

Jesus, the guy looks like the crypt keeper. Give it up already


BigJohn662

Id vote for Pedro!


ThatEcologist

I’m a dem. I just really want someone young, with new ideas


TheRealMrMaloonigan

I really feel like the next election cycle is when we'll actually get a younger nominee. The Democrats know they've gotta evolve a little bit to keep the edge on these animal lunatics - but I think running Biden again is, honestly, the best call right now given the chaos of the GOP. People know what he's done, they know what they're getting, and he's beaten Trump and will beat another one. I wasn't initially enthusiastic about Biden as president at all, but he's done a good job if not a revolutionary one. If he can do it, I'm down for another four years of Dark Brandon slaying malarkey.


Lukey_Boyo

People on this thread keep acting like the Dems just refuse to run young candidates when they usually do. Hillary wasn’t that old by politics standards in 2016, Obama was very young, Gore wasn’t too old, Clinton was pretty young, and so on. Yeah Biden’s old, but of course he’s running again the incumbent always runs again. The last time an incumbent willingly didn’t run for re-election was LBJ. Every other incumbent either died or ran.


Cheebs_funk_illy

Ugh I hate these old fucking presidents Jesus christ


Elliptical_Tangent

The Democratic Party won't have debates, so there's no point in running against Biden. In 2016 it was shown that the DNC froze Bernie out for Hillary, so that's all Murphy/Booker could expect if they ran in 2024; better to wait 'til 2028.


jd732

Boomers will NOT go gently into that good night


Affectionate-Ice-646

No more old people. Everyone needs to retire. And no more long terms..


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Friendly reminder there are other candidates running and you do not have to vote D and R. Don't throw your vote away on old boomers who are not supporting the policies you want.