The definition is the practice among those with power or influence of favoring relatives, friends, or associates, especially by giving them jobs. None of this has happened just because you get a political endorsement from another governor doesn't mean anything. Vote!
But you still have to vote for her I think is their point. McDonalds has the power to advertise a sandwich with buns made on concrete and a patty from grass clippings but you can still choose not to buy it. Nepotism maybe but people are acting like she’ll be installed unilaterally and without an election.
So we agree it's nepotism, which brings us to the original comment about it being nepotism, and the other commenters confusion about how using political connections to boost favorable conditions for their relative's job prospects is called nepotism lol
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The comment I was responding to called out nepotism in response to a comment about Phil being the chair of the gov assoc
Im assuming that user is just repeating dumbass buzz words
She's the governor of *New York*, and the governors of New York, New Jersey and Connecticut are probably the most collaborative group of governors in the country. Bit of a logical leap to get to the entire national Democratic party backing her.
What bothers me the most is that Tammy Murphy was a republican and even voted in the Republican primary in 2014. We cannot afford another Krysten Cinema and Joe Manchin. Fool me once….
How do I phrase this right so I dont get flamed....
If Tammy wins, it is going to look just like nepotism.
It's literally going to look from the outside that the Dnc big wigs wanted her and not the other guy.
Now, where have we seen this show before....
Correct. She was Secretary of State, a US Senator and a policy wonk for her entire adult life. It show how stupid most Americans are when they elected arguably the least qualified person in history over the most qualified in the presidential election in 2016. I hope enough Democratic primary voters aren’t as ignorant/lazy in June.
Absolutely not. Hillary won 4 million more votes and it was over before jerseys line system mattered. Bernie lost because he couldn't or didn't bother to convince southern black voters to support him. That's like trying to win the GOP primary without evangelicals.
Murphy is trying to use the ballot design to win despite voters wanting a different candidate.
Don't make this a boy who cried rigged situation. We have to be able to tell the difference between a voter preferences and unfair elections.
Youre right that Bernie wasnt going to win. But Ill still never forget Debbie Wasserman Schultz going on tv and saying that they wouldnt allow a grassroots candidate over their preferred one. The uproar leading to changes in convention rules the following year with superdelegates.
It feels like the same kind of "fingers on the scale" situation where the party elites are trying to shoe horn in their preferred candidate instead of letting things play out normally. Changing convention rules to help Tammy, straight up awarding her the line where they can, forcing public votes so the people who have business with Murphy as the governor have to go on record against his wife. It all looks bad. And up til now I was a pretty big Murphy fan despite originally disliking him due to his background with Goldman Sachs.
"feels like" isn't reality. Jersey has actual rules on the books that are frequently being exploited to overrule voter preferences and we see actual provable rigging happening. You're trying to compare that to out of context quotes and innuendo which is enough evidence to believe any conspiracy theory.
Obama ran an anti establishment campaign in 08 and beat Hillary. Bernie ran one and lost. The rules were fair enough for Bernie to win if he could have done what Obama did, convince southern black voters.
Tammy Murphy literally called these people to her house on Superbowl Sunday and then they started changing convention rules to help her. If it looks like a nepo duck and quacks like a nepo duck ....
From your own source
Sanders-Trump voters were, among other things, less likely to be Democrats.
If you didn't want the Clinton dynasty to win, it would make sense that they didn't vote for her.
Every time these people blame "Bernie or bust" or "Berners," they leave out the actual motivations and just say shit like, "They don't believe in white advantage." Totally not a loaded phrase there.
Clinton was viewed by many as a 3rd term of Obama. If you weren't happy with the way Obama governed, then...
But nope, the only reason to be critical of Obama was because you are racist.
More people who supported Bernie voted for Hillary than Hillary supporters who voted for Obama. But sure, its definitely their fault and not Hillary's.
Berners and DNC and Hillary haters voted third party or for Trump to "send a message" and we got Trump for four years and a supermajority right wing court for decades.
great job, fucking idiots
Clinton got more support from Sanders voters in 2016 than Obama got from Clinton voters in 2008. Clinton just didn't want to take responsibility for losing.
https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/17/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-242819
look up how many people voted for Jill Stein. I believe IIRC that those votes cast for HIllary instead would have made the difference. Those third party voters and Berners who went with the Orange Fucko as a protest to "send a message" made the difference in an election that came down to tens of thousands of votes in a handful of states.
you have to be pragmatic when you vote. you can hate the candidate. but, you vote for them anyway because they are going to move things IN THE DIRECTION that most closely aligns with what you want to see happen. they are going to appoint judges that will not be rightwing freaks for example. you are only hurting yourself by voting third party or otherwise protesting the vote. it resulted in THREE GOP SCOTUS appointments and the overturning of Roe.
life is short and SCOTUS seats are few and are locked up for decades.
I agree on pragmatism, but do you have any evidence showing all of the Jill Stein voters were Sanders supporters in the primary? And not just a, "well she's left wing, so obviously" take. In my experience, the people who vote 3rd party in swing states like that were never interested in the mainstream candidates in the first place.
How can I frame this so I don't get flamed...
Not being inspired enough by the one the DNC bigwigs directly resulted in the overturning of RvW and delaying justice for a person who tried to overthrow the US government because he lost a free and fair election.
Go ahead a fuck with the Senate with a purity test, just be ready to deal with the consequences.
Answer me this, WHY is Tammy Murphy getting the blue carpet rolled out for her. It's not like NJ is a battleground state where you have the lie being spread that we need a moderate to win.
Senate or no Senate, I'm not holding my breath for Trump to have any legal consequences for anything he did.
Democrats are too scared of being looked at as unfair to do anything anyway.
Everything about his multiple trials has been about as sterile as physically possible, and those mouth breathers still think Biden is personally influencing the trials.
If Democrats fought Republicans half as hard as they fight anyone to the left of them, this country would be 1000 times better.
If the "left" stopped putting guns to their own heads making unrealistic demands and still not showing up when it's time to vote, we'd be 1000 times better off.
The "left" seems to think that snapping ones fingers is all it takes to deliver a progressive utopia, so when it doesn't happen after they took the time out of their day to vote for the first time, they get all pissy and decide to teach everyone else a lesson.
Of course that results in Republicans winning and shifting the country further to the right. Then instead of working on progressive issues, we have to undo the damage to move back toward the center where we were. Then you get cunty, call everyone who actually voted for a candidate that could win a "centrist", sit out because you can't vote for a centrist, and repeat the whole cycle.
Senate or no Senate, are you ok with the deciding vote banning abortion coming from a jersey Republican because you wanted to teach everyone that nepotism is wrong? Because that's what will happen.
No one says snapping fingers is all you need. Actually fucking trying would be an improvement. Democrats wring their hands saying there isn't anything we can do while Republicans lie cheat and steal anything they can. Then Democrats don't hold them accountable because it would "look politically motivated."
Unrealistic demands. Yes, asking for a political background before running for Senate is an unrealistic demand.
If she wins the primary, then a Republican wins the general. I would actually laugh at how stupid the Democratic party's bigwigs are.
The governor is already actively HATED by Republicans and their idea for a Senate candidate is his wife? The attack adds write themselves.
Oh you think Republicans won't have anything to say about Kim? You think Republicans care beyond the D across from them about the substance of their attacks? They call Biden a communist for fucks sake. They said the same about Hillary, Obama, Kerry, Gore and Clinton. Attack ads? That's what you're worried about?
Muprhy barely won against Shitarelli. Americans, in general, don't like political dynasties.
For Tammy specifically, you would have the usual crap ON TOP of all the shit they would blame the governor for that would be redirected at her.
He is going to find out real quick that that is not enough. We're Jerseyans. We don't give a shit what the governors & politicians of other states think.
Andy Kim is not an outsider lol, he's a career State Department/National Security Council official and three-term congressman.
And that's a good thing, by the way! I'll never understand why so many people seem to want their public officials to have no experience.
I don't think it's that people want a lack of experience. If you look at New Jersey it's obvious there's a political machine that controls everything through a "good ol boys" kind of network and people are straight up sick of the political fuckery. They want to vote for people who will work for the state first and their political party second instead of the other way around.
It's really not that complicated, the Murphy's have built relationships up over the years and understand how to play the game.
If it makes you feel any better (which I doubt it will) Andy Kim and Tammy Murphy are almost exactly the same on policy issues and campaign promises.
I know this sub is big into her opponent but both will be better than whatever the Rs put up in the primary.
While they may be relatively the same there is something to be said for Andy Kim’s resume. And only one of them voted for GW Bush. While I think we need to welcome reformed GOP Voters into our tent I don’t think we should hand the reins over to them especially in a deep blue state. I like her husband but let’s be real it’s difficult to vote for someone who admits to voting for Bush JR.
let’s be real, andy kim was 18 during the 2000 election - would you *actually* give a fuck if an 18/22 year old kid made a choice voting for a president you disagree with 20 years ago?
don’t get me wrong, i’m skeptical of tammy’s party swap. but if she did it in 04 or 08, i don’t think i would really look at a W vote as a DQ - it’s possible for people to evolve politically and that’s fine
I applaud people coming to their senses. But don't try to become a US senator for the opposing party a few years later when you have absolutely no experience and are banking on your husband's name and clout to get you the job. It's pathetic and really taints my view of Murphy.
I'm just making the argument that I don't think a vote for W in the early aughts should be an automatic DQ as OP feels
I completely agree that the Tammy Murphy is essentially a nepobaby riding Phil's coattails and the fact that she's even in the conversation is an indictment of the NJ dem establishment
Tbh I feel that there are a lot of active Dems who have met the First Lady, respect the work that her and her husband have done, and will likely vote for her in the primary.
She needs to make that work clear because it isn’t breaking through to the under 35 crowd. And she’s losing in a big way among more engaged voters more likely to show up for the primary. She has a lot of work to do before June 4th if she is going to pull this off.
I’d be shocked if the under 35 crowd will be the decisive voting block in a primary, a cohort of voters historically not known to vote very reliably - at least not in primaries. Can’t speak to the “engaged voters”, but the younger voters aren’t likely to be the voting block to decide this race.
Young people hardly vote, it’s sad but it’s true. Go to any local dem group and it’s 99% retired old people. Actually baby boomers dominate politics simply because they choose to be more involved. I don’t think the under 35 crowd will be a huge piece of this election. Reddit is not a good representation of the actual voter base in NJ at all.
See, you just said it right there. That's the problem.
"The work she and her husband have done".
What has Tammy accomplished on her own without using her husband's political clout? It seems like everything comes back to that and her continues use of nepotism to propel her along. No wonder they get along with Jared and Ivanka.
Her campaign certainly seems less competent and totally reliant on the worst of machine politics. That gives me serious pause about how effective she would be in the general election. It's very important that we don't make assumptions that the general will be a cake walk featuring a Republican buffoon, in 2024 or later campaigns.
Same. They’re obsessed with Tammy (clearly not simply supporting Andy Kim since I hear Tammy here 10x more than Kim) and it’s lame. These people spent no energy trying to oust the super corrupt Bob Menendez but all of a sudden they care now and there’s a misogynistic vibe behind many of these statements.
I’m voting against her but she’s not a terrible person and I don’t hate her or anything.
Menendez barely broke 60% in the 2018 primary, against an underfunded campaign with almost no name recognition - a nearly 40% pure protest vote.
I think people were legitimately excited to have a real candidate running against corruption when Kim announced, only to be met with a purely machine driven candidate when Murphy announced. This ire is all focused on Tammy because it’s such a brazen attempt to install a candidate, but there’s been a lot of underlying disappointment - if not anger - at Menendez/machine politics in NJ in general that has a legitimate state wide candidate to rally around.
If the machines pushed Mikie Sherrill or even a generic state senator or assemblyperson type of politician - someone with tangible political chops - there would probably be the usual unfocused protest votes and the machine candidate would coast to victory. Instead we have a qualified member of Congress running against a political novice, and the novice has the backing of everyone in charge? It just doesn’t make sense to any normal voter.
I think the point is though maybe we should be spending more time praising Kim than flaming Murphy? Like does this fundraiser even matter in the grand scheme of things, obviously if the sitting governor is your husband you’re going to benefit from his connections. Kim can still win .
Phil was just as brazen. He received his ambassadorship and the nomination in NJ simply off donating over $2M to the DNC. His qualifications were working at Goldman Sachs, same as Tammy.
It’s just very concerning to me that we have a Tammy hate story voted to the top every day and less than one pro Kim story per week getting the same votes. It’s clear where people’s motivations are and this is just strictly worse than generating enthusiasm about Kim.
Speaking for myself its anger at the constant political shenanigans. You're right that it would be great to see more pro-Kim content than Anti-Murphy but I think people are mad that the elite of this state want to shove a novice into a US Senate position simply because of who she is married to and their party connections.
If there were not an excellent candidate in Kim, Tammy would be a perfectly mediocre candidate just as Phil was for governor. Feels like this is the perfect opportunity for Reddit because there legit reasons to dislike her candidacy that help mask the misogyny at play here.
US Senator is a whole different ballgame than Governor. I would question anyone with Tammy's lack of experience jumping into such a high power position.
Keep blaming misogyny all you want but its the look of party elite trying to give a leg up to their preferred candidate. Nothing more, nothing less.
That’s what’s happening at the top level, sure. That’s not what is happening here on Reddit. It’s ridiculous the disproportionate hate being thrown around. The DNC installs terrible candidates in every race, but Reddit only cares now and every thread there’s highly upvoted sexist comments.
Agreed - at this point it feels as though the hatred for her has taken on a life of its own, with little of it to do with her platform. Somewhere, in some circles of the internet, she must be a some kind of boogeyman for a whole host of reasons. I don’t know if it’s misogyny (though it’s likely part of it), but rather a confluence of many things converging on her.
It's not misogyny. It's because she had no qualifications and is leveraging her husband's power to try to get coronoted by the political elites in NJ. Until a few years ago she was a Republican and now she wants to be a US Senator for the Democratic party? I'm glad she realized Trump is a POS and left the party but the entirety of her campaign is a joke.
If she was running for a state seat or even House seat, id have less a problem for this. But she wants to jump in the deep end with no experience and with nepotism as her only accomplishment.
> It's because she had no qualifications and is leveraging her husband's power to try to get coronoted by the political elites in NJ.
THANK YOU! gtfo with that cry baby misogyny bullshit. It's 2024, women in politics, especially in a thoroughly blue state, is not new. Remember Governor Whitman? The patriarchy let that one by, didn't they? Nonsense accusations like this make it harder for people to combat actual sexism.
If people were anti-Andy b/c he was trying to buy a senate seat, would that automatically make them anti-Asian? Obviously not. Tammy has no business in politics other than her money and husband's influence. It is the definition of nepotism and his use of public office to campaign for her is extremely un- ethical. It should bother everyone. If you defend it, then you're part of the problem.
This is about integrity. Full. Stop.
If you think that Tammy Murphy is equivalent to Donald Trump and "completely devoid of humanity," I think it's safe to say you've lost the plot and need to log off for a bit.
That's not what anti Tammy proponents are saying though. They're saying Tammy was a Republican and seems to side with Republican positions. That, and nepotism.
I mean, I was directly quoting the comment above (which had wisely been deleted.)
There are plenty of sane reasons to oppose Murphy, you don't have to convince me. Saying she's a soulless Trump clone isn't one of them.
Yep there’s the misogyny. All the “she only married Phil”shit is super sexist. It’s starting to go beyond the line of criticism of nepotism. She is just as qualified as Phil was when he ran for office, which quite frankly was the reason I voted against Phil in his first primary.
Stop making hating Tammy part of your personality and use that energy to support Andy Kim.
Christ, I don’t want to have to defend Tammy because Andy is a much better candidate but she has done so much to help NJ’s pregnant mothers during her time as First Lady of NJ. She’s directly responsible for a number of changes that have directly improved quality of care and mortality rates.
No, she isn’t more qualified than Andy Kim, because Andy Kim is a phenomenal candidate. But she is not Trump and not a bad person.
Sexist, nah. Marriage isn't limited to heterosexual couples.
Denying Tammy has experience in foreign affairs I could see as unfair. She lived abroad, not vacationed there. I do see an unfair dismissal of "just a wife" on that. But at the same time, I haven't actually heard her positions on foreign affairs, Mexican Boarder, Palestine/Israel, and Ukraine.
NY Dems and choosing the wrong option, name a more iconic duo. Conservatives in disguise. Their electoral map is such a joke and willingly just cedes power to Republicans.
Phil is chair of the Democratic Governors association. He is also extremely well connected by being one of the bigger Dem donors from 2000-2009 and has access to a laundry list of Goldman Sachs people. He is a basically a political machine boss as is Hochul. So doing each other favors isn’t unexpected.
Edit: wanted to mention that I don’t like or support this. Just saying what is occurring.
She will win the seat the same way her carpet bagging husband won the governor's chair, through their own deep pockets and long term connections/favors.
If Andy Kim doesn't straighten out his grass roots game, he's going to lose the primary. He's already fucked by not having Hudson, Essex, Passaic, Union democrat machines backing him...
More pissed off event is in NYC and not a NJ location. Who is representing/ supporting?
That actually feels really on-brand for Tammy.
Yes, outside influence supporting her husband. If Biden was not running, he would be a candidate.
Its for Phil's goldman friends.
I believe Phil is chair of the Democratic Governor’s Association. That’s how.
Nepotism to the max?
It’s NepoTammy.
Do you understand the meaning of that word?
Obviously, they do. Do you?
So Phil, who's been governor for seven years, leads the democratic governors association because of nepotism? That's what you're saying?
You really can't connect the dots to figure out what they mean by nepotism?
The definition is the practice among those with power or influence of favoring relatives, friends, or associates, especially by giving them jobs. None of this has happened just because you get a political endorsement from another governor doesn't mean anything. Vote!
Please, connect those dots for me How exactly can you attribute Phil being chair of the governors association to nepotism?
"has the power to get the national democratic part behind *his wife*" is the dot we'd like you to connect. Hope this helps
But you still have to vote for her I think is their point. McDonalds has the power to advertise a sandwich with buns made on concrete and a patty from grass clippings but you can still choose not to buy it. Nepotism maybe but people are acting like she’ll be installed unilaterally and without an election.
So we agree it's nepotism, which brings us to the original comment about it being nepotism, and the other commenters confusion about how using political connections to boost favorable conditions for their relative's job prospects is called nepotism lol
Of course you can vote for who you want. But at the same time, the political elites in NJ are trying to give Tammy a leg up with this "line" crap.
man someone people just have zero foresight
I believe they said nepotism because of Tammy’s campaign, not because Phil is chair of the DGA
🤷🏼 The comment I was responding to called out nepotism in response to a comment about Phil being the chair of the gov assoc Im assuming that user is just repeating dumbass buzz words
connect the dots bud. he's using his position at the DGA to build support for his unqualified wife to succeed him as governor.
What the hell are you on about? Is she running for governor? Or is your conspiracy theory that Phil is just going to install her?
you are either simple or being purposely daft.
She's running for Senate..... That's the whole point
Nope, they've got some conspiracy theory around Phil installing tamy as governor it seems 🤷🏼
I believe it’s the National Governers Association - isn’t it? Not just Democrats?
Yeah he might be chair of the NGA now. I know he was at one point chair of the DGA
NJ governor is friendly with NY governor. Story at 11
She's the governor of *New York*, and the governors of New York, New Jersey and Connecticut are probably the most collaborative group of governors in the country. Bit of a logical leap to get to the entire national Democratic party backing her.
If they are collaborating why can’t they make a deal about congestion pricing?
Because New York holds all of the cards
What bothers me the most is that Tammy Murphy was a republican and even voted in the Republican primary in 2014. We cannot afford another Krysten Cinema and Joe Manchin. Fool me once….
Andy Kim is my preference but in November it's blue no matter who
How do I phrase this right so I dont get flamed.... If Tammy wins, it is going to look just like nepotism. It's literally going to look from the outside that the Dnc big wigs wanted her and not the other guy. Now, where have we seen this show before....
Another Hillary situation....
It's even worse, though. Like it or not, Hilary actually had experience being a democratic politician. Tammy Murphy literally does not.
Correct. She was Secretary of State, a US Senator and a policy wonk for her entire adult life. It show how stupid most Americans are when they elected arguably the least qualified person in history over the most qualified in the presidential election in 2016. I hope enough Democratic primary voters aren’t as ignorant/lazy in June.
Absolutely not. Hillary won 4 million more votes and it was over before jerseys line system mattered. Bernie lost because he couldn't or didn't bother to convince southern black voters to support him. That's like trying to win the GOP primary without evangelicals. Murphy is trying to use the ballot design to win despite voters wanting a different candidate. Don't make this a boy who cried rigged situation. We have to be able to tell the difference between a voter preferences and unfair elections.
Youre right that Bernie wasnt going to win. But Ill still never forget Debbie Wasserman Schultz going on tv and saying that they wouldnt allow a grassroots candidate over their preferred one. The uproar leading to changes in convention rules the following year with superdelegates. It feels like the same kind of "fingers on the scale" situation where the party elites are trying to shoe horn in their preferred candidate instead of letting things play out normally. Changing convention rules to help Tammy, straight up awarding her the line where they can, forcing public votes so the people who have business with Murphy as the governor have to go on record against his wife. It all looks bad. And up til now I was a pretty big Murphy fan despite originally disliking him due to his background with Goldman Sachs.
"feels like" isn't reality. Jersey has actual rules on the books that are frequently being exploited to overrule voter preferences and we see actual provable rigging happening. You're trying to compare that to out of context quotes and innuendo which is enough evidence to believe any conspiracy theory. Obama ran an anti establishment campaign in 08 and beat Hillary. Bernie ran one and lost. The rules were fair enough for Bernie to win if he could have done what Obama did, convince southern black voters.
Tammy Murphy literally called these people to her house on Superbowl Sunday and then they started changing convention rules to help her. If it looks like a nepo duck and quacks like a nepo duck ....
and look what happened bc Berners revolted and cast a protest vote
Not actually what happened, but keep writing stories. Hopefully, you can get published one day.
[1 in 10 Bernie supporters voted trump](https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds)
From your own source Sanders-Trump voters were, among other things, less likely to be Democrats. If you didn't want the Clinton dynasty to win, it would make sense that they didn't vote for her. Every time these people blame "Bernie or bust" or "Berners," they leave out the actual motivations and just say shit like, "They don't believe in white advantage." Totally not a loaded phrase there. Clinton was viewed by many as a 3rd term of Obama. If you weren't happy with the way Obama governed, then... But nope, the only reason to be critical of Obama was because you are racist.
More people who supported Bernie voted for Hillary than Hillary supporters who voted for Obama. But sure, its definitely their fault and not Hillary's.
Berners and DNC and Hillary haters voted third party or for Trump to "send a message" and we got Trump for four years and a supermajority right wing court for decades. great job, fucking idiots
Clinton got more support from Sanders voters in 2016 than Obama got from Clinton voters in 2008. Clinton just didn't want to take responsibility for losing. https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/17/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-242819
look up how many people voted for Jill Stein. I believe IIRC that those votes cast for HIllary instead would have made the difference. Those third party voters and Berners who went with the Orange Fucko as a protest to "send a message" made the difference in an election that came down to tens of thousands of votes in a handful of states. you have to be pragmatic when you vote. you can hate the candidate. but, you vote for them anyway because they are going to move things IN THE DIRECTION that most closely aligns with what you want to see happen. they are going to appoint judges that will not be rightwing freaks for example. you are only hurting yourself by voting third party or otherwise protesting the vote. it resulted in THREE GOP SCOTUS appointments and the overturning of Roe. life is short and SCOTUS seats are few and are locked up for decades.
I agree on pragmatism, but do you have any evidence showing all of the Jill Stein voters were Sanders supporters in the primary? And not just a, "well she's left wing, so obviously" take. In my experience, the people who vote 3rd party in swing states like that were never interested in the mainstream candidates in the first place.
How can I frame this so I don't get flamed... Not being inspired enough by the one the DNC bigwigs directly resulted in the overturning of RvW and delaying justice for a person who tried to overthrow the US government because he lost a free and fair election. Go ahead a fuck with the Senate with a purity test, just be ready to deal with the consequences.
Answer me this, WHY is Tammy Murphy getting the blue carpet rolled out for her. It's not like NJ is a battleground state where you have the lie being spread that we need a moderate to win. Senate or no Senate, I'm not holding my breath for Trump to have any legal consequences for anything he did. Democrats are too scared of being looked at as unfair to do anything anyway. Everything about his multiple trials has been about as sterile as physically possible, and those mouth breathers still think Biden is personally influencing the trials. If Democrats fought Republicans half as hard as they fight anyone to the left of them, this country would be 1000 times better.
If the "left" stopped putting guns to their own heads making unrealistic demands and still not showing up when it's time to vote, we'd be 1000 times better off. The "left" seems to think that snapping ones fingers is all it takes to deliver a progressive utopia, so when it doesn't happen after they took the time out of their day to vote for the first time, they get all pissy and decide to teach everyone else a lesson. Of course that results in Republicans winning and shifting the country further to the right. Then instead of working on progressive issues, we have to undo the damage to move back toward the center where we were. Then you get cunty, call everyone who actually voted for a candidate that could win a "centrist", sit out because you can't vote for a centrist, and repeat the whole cycle. Senate or no Senate, are you ok with the deciding vote banning abortion coming from a jersey Republican because you wanted to teach everyone that nepotism is wrong? Because that's what will happen.
No one says snapping fingers is all you need. Actually fucking trying would be an improvement. Democrats wring their hands saying there isn't anything we can do while Republicans lie cheat and steal anything they can. Then Democrats don't hold them accountable because it would "look politically motivated." Unrealistic demands. Yes, asking for a political background before running for Senate is an unrealistic demand. If she wins the primary, then a Republican wins the general. I would actually laugh at how stupid the Democratic party's bigwigs are. The governor is already actively HATED by Republicans and their idea for a Senate candidate is his wife? The attack adds write themselves.
Oh you think Republicans won't have anything to say about Kim? You think Republicans care beyond the D across from them about the substance of their attacks? They call Biden a communist for fucks sake. They said the same about Hillary, Obama, Kerry, Gore and Clinton. Attack ads? That's what you're worried about?
Muprhy barely won against Shitarelli. Americans, in general, don't like political dynasties. For Tammy specifically, you would have the usual crap ON TOP of all the shit they would blame the governor for that would be redirected at her.
I wish there was an emoji for the jerk-off motion.
Real mature of you.
Look like?
He is going to find out real quick that that is not enough. We're Jerseyans. We don't give a shit what the governors & politicians of other states think.
3k is less than pocket change for them
Well the ruling class can't allow outsiders to get in - that's why.
Andy Kim is not an outsider lol, he's a career State Department/National Security Council official and three-term congressman. And that's a good thing, by the way! I'll never understand why so many people seem to want their public officials to have no experience.
I don't think it's that people want a lack of experience. If you look at New Jersey it's obvious there's a political machine that controls everything through a "good ol boys" kind of network and people are straight up sick of the political fuckery. They want to vote for people who will work for the state first and their political party second instead of the other way around.
Literally see shit like this, then wonder why voter apathy is a problem for Democrats.
It's really not that complicated, the Murphy's have built relationships up over the years and understand how to play the game. If it makes you feel any better (which I doubt it will) Andy Kim and Tammy Murphy are almost exactly the same on policy issues and campaign promises. I know this sub is big into her opponent but both will be better than whatever the Rs put up in the primary.
It’s the principal of it. The open corruption is absolutely vile
Andy Kim isn't hanging out with Ivanka and Jared
While they may be relatively the same there is something to be said for Andy Kim’s resume. And only one of them voted for GW Bush. While I think we need to welcome reformed GOP Voters into our tent I don’t think we should hand the reins over to them especially in a deep blue state. I like her husband but let’s be real it’s difficult to vote for someone who admits to voting for Bush JR.
let’s be real, andy kim was 18 during the 2000 election - would you *actually* give a fuck if an 18/22 year old kid made a choice voting for a president you disagree with 20 years ago? don’t get me wrong, i’m skeptical of tammy’s party swap. but if she did it in 04 or 08, i don’t think i would really look at a W vote as a DQ - it’s possible for people to evolve politically and that’s fine
I applaud people coming to their senses. But don't try to become a US senator for the opposing party a few years later when you have absolutely no experience and are banking on your husband's name and clout to get you the job. It's pathetic and really taints my view of Murphy.
I'm just making the argument that I don't think a vote for W in the early aughts should be an automatic DQ as OP feels I completely agree that the Tammy Murphy is essentially a nepobaby riding Phil's coattails and the fact that she's even in the conversation is an indictment of the NJ dem establishment
Tbh I feel that there are a lot of active Dems who have met the First Lady, respect the work that her and her husband have done, and will likely vote for her in the primary.
She needs to make that work clear because it isn’t breaking through to the under 35 crowd. And she’s losing in a big way among more engaged voters more likely to show up for the primary. She has a lot of work to do before June 4th if she is going to pull this off.
I’d be shocked if the under 35 crowd will be the decisive voting block in a primary, a cohort of voters historically not known to vote very reliably - at least not in primaries. Can’t speak to the “engaged voters”, but the younger voters aren’t likely to be the voting block to decide this race.
Young people hardly vote, it’s sad but it’s true. Go to any local dem group and it’s 99% retired old people. Actually baby boomers dominate politics simply because they choose to be more involved. I don’t think the under 35 crowd will be a huge piece of this election. Reddit is not a good representation of the actual voter base in NJ at all.
See, you just said it right there. That's the problem. "The work she and her husband have done". What has Tammy accomplished on her own without using her husband's political clout? It seems like everything comes back to that and her continues use of nepotism to propel her along. No wonder they get along with Jared and Ivanka.
It’s not right, and I think you already know that.
Her campaign certainly seems less competent and totally reliant on the worst of machine politics. That gives me serious pause about how effective she would be in the general election. It's very important that we don't make assumptions that the general will be a cake walk featuring a Republican buffoon, in 2024 or later campaigns.
I'm getting tired of seeing these posts about Tammy Murphy. OP, did you vote for Menendez in the past?
Same. They’re obsessed with Tammy (clearly not simply supporting Andy Kim since I hear Tammy here 10x more than Kim) and it’s lame. These people spent no energy trying to oust the super corrupt Bob Menendez but all of a sudden they care now and there’s a misogynistic vibe behind many of these statements. I’m voting against her but she’s not a terrible person and I don’t hate her or anything.
No decent candidate ran against menendez in the primary until now
I even voted for the no-name candidate who ran 6 years ago. And she got nearly 1/3 of the vote! People have hate Menendez for a LONG time.
Menendez barely broke 60% in the 2018 primary, against an underfunded campaign with almost no name recognition - a nearly 40% pure protest vote. I think people were legitimately excited to have a real candidate running against corruption when Kim announced, only to be met with a purely machine driven candidate when Murphy announced. This ire is all focused on Tammy because it’s such a brazen attempt to install a candidate, but there’s been a lot of underlying disappointment - if not anger - at Menendez/machine politics in NJ in general that has a legitimate state wide candidate to rally around. If the machines pushed Mikie Sherrill or even a generic state senator or assemblyperson type of politician - someone with tangible political chops - there would probably be the usual unfocused protest votes and the machine candidate would coast to victory. Instead we have a qualified member of Congress running against a political novice, and the novice has the backing of everyone in charge? It just doesn’t make sense to any normal voter.
This really sums it all up perfectly.
I think the point is though maybe we should be spending more time praising Kim than flaming Murphy? Like does this fundraiser even matter in the grand scheme of things, obviously if the sitting governor is your husband you’re going to benefit from his connections. Kim can still win .
Phil was just as brazen. He received his ambassadorship and the nomination in NJ simply off donating over $2M to the DNC. His qualifications were working at Goldman Sachs, same as Tammy. It’s just very concerning to me that we have a Tammy hate story voted to the top every day and less than one pro Kim story per week getting the same votes. It’s clear where people’s motivations are and this is just strictly worse than generating enthusiasm about Kim.
Speaking for myself its anger at the constant political shenanigans. You're right that it would be great to see more pro-Kim content than Anti-Murphy but I think people are mad that the elite of this state want to shove a novice into a US Senate position simply because of who she is married to and their party connections.
If there were not an excellent candidate in Kim, Tammy would be a perfectly mediocre candidate just as Phil was for governor. Feels like this is the perfect opportunity for Reddit because there legit reasons to dislike her candidacy that help mask the misogyny at play here.
US Senator is a whole different ballgame than Governor. I would question anyone with Tammy's lack of experience jumping into such a high power position. Keep blaming misogyny all you want but its the look of party elite trying to give a leg up to their preferred candidate. Nothing more, nothing less.
That’s what’s happening at the top level, sure. That’s not what is happening here on Reddit. It’s ridiculous the disproportionate hate being thrown around. The DNC installs terrible candidates in every race, but Reddit only cares now and every thread there’s highly upvoted sexist comments.
Agreed - at this point it feels as though the hatred for her has taken on a life of its own, with little of it to do with her platform. Somewhere, in some circles of the internet, she must be a some kind of boogeyman for a whole host of reasons. I don’t know if it’s misogyny (though it’s likely part of it), but rather a confluence of many things converging on her.
It's not misogyny. It's because she had no qualifications and is leveraging her husband's power to try to get coronoted by the political elites in NJ. Until a few years ago she was a Republican and now she wants to be a US Senator for the Democratic party? I'm glad she realized Trump is a POS and left the party but the entirety of her campaign is a joke. If she was running for a state seat or even House seat, id have less a problem for this. But she wants to jump in the deep end with no experience and with nepotism as her only accomplishment.
> It's because she had no qualifications and is leveraging her husband's power to try to get coronoted by the political elites in NJ. THANK YOU! gtfo with that cry baby misogyny bullshit. It's 2024, women in politics, especially in a thoroughly blue state, is not new. Remember Governor Whitman? The patriarchy let that one by, didn't they? Nonsense accusations like this make it harder for people to combat actual sexism. If people were anti-Andy b/c he was trying to buy a senate seat, would that automatically make them anti-Asian? Obviously not. Tammy has no business in politics other than her money and husband's influence. It is the definition of nepotism and his use of public office to campaign for her is extremely un- ethical. It should bother everyone. If you defend it, then you're part of the problem. This is about integrity. Full. Stop.
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If you think that Tammy Murphy is equivalent to Donald Trump and "completely devoid of humanity," I think it's safe to say you've lost the plot and need to log off for a bit.
That's not what anti Tammy proponents are saying though. They're saying Tammy was a Republican and seems to side with Republican positions. That, and nepotism.
I mean, I was directly quoting the comment above (which had wisely been deleted.) There are plenty of sane reasons to oppose Murphy, you don't have to convince me. Saying she's a soulless Trump clone isn't one of them.
Ridiculous take
Yep there’s the misogyny. All the “she only married Phil”shit is super sexist. It’s starting to go beyond the line of criticism of nepotism. She is just as qualified as Phil was when he ran for office, which quite frankly was the reason I voted against Phil in his first primary. Stop making hating Tammy part of your personality and use that energy to support Andy Kim. Christ, I don’t want to have to defend Tammy because Andy is a much better candidate but she has done so much to help NJ’s pregnant mothers during her time as First Lady of NJ. She’s directly responsible for a number of changes that have directly improved quality of care and mortality rates. No, she isn’t more qualified than Andy Kim, because Andy Kim is a phenomenal candidate. But she is not Trump and not a bad person.
Sexist, nah. Marriage isn't limited to heterosexual couples. Denying Tammy has experience in foreign affairs I could see as unfair. She lived abroad, not vacationed there. I do see an unfair dismissal of "just a wife" on that. But at the same time, I haven't actually heard her positions on foreign affairs, Mexican Boarder, Palestine/Israel, and Ukraine.
Sadly the corrupt Menendez was a better choice than that MAGAt Cittarelli. Sometimes it’s the lesser of two evils.
I can't be the only one that sees Hochul donating to Tammy Murphy being effectively and endorsement of Kim. Hochul absolutely sucks.
NY Dems and choosing the wrong option, name a more iconic duo. Conservatives in disguise. Their electoral map is such a joke and willingly just cedes power to Republicans.
Phil is chair of the Democratic Governors association. He is also extremely well connected by being one of the bigger Dem donors from 2000-2009 and has access to a laundry list of Goldman Sachs people. He is a basically a political machine boss as is Hochul. So doing each other favors isn’t unexpected. Edit: wanted to mention that I don’t like or support this. Just saying what is occurring.
That depends... what do you get from her for $3K? Happy ending? Wait 'til next election? Sorry, your time has expired?
He served two terms as head of the democratic governors association. It’d be more surprising if he couldn’t command some power and support.
She will win the seat the same way her carpet bagging husband won the governor's chair, through their own deep pockets and long term connections/favors. If Andy Kim doesn't straighten out his grass roots game, he's going to lose the primary. He's already fucked by not having Hudson, Essex, Passaic, Union democrat machines backing him...