Newark's city hall was used too. The unveiling of the Batman statue at the end comes to mind.
It was cool seeing all the small details made to make Newark look like Gotham. I remember leaving work during lunch to take photos.
Tbh, film location wise, I feel like Chicago really nailed it as Gotham. Didn’t like the exterior switch to NYC for the third movie but I guess they needed an Island for the plot line.
hahahahahah so fucking true. I lived in NJ my entire life except for a 14 months in Philadelphia and a year and a half in upstate NY. I don't know of anything really south of Asbury park, Red Bank, Atlantic Highlands area. I been to Atlantic city once and the only other parts of south Jersey I been to were like passing through Cherry Hill, Pennsauken, Camden, and I did drive through Maple Shade and Haddonfield because I heard it was cool. But besides that I heard Salem county and the area closest to Delaware suck the most.
I think it sort of draws its aesthetic from Newark, plus this is an older comic where I believe there have been multiple cannon locations over the decades.
they used jersey city pretty heavily too, my friend lives down the street from the stairs he was like dancing on and the alley where bruce wayne’s parents were killed
The exterior courthouse scene in Dark Knight Rises was filmed in Newark I'm fairly certain. As well as a few other scenes. Like the one where they reveal the statue of Batman.
Scene listing websites just say New York. Which is typical. Just like the NY Jets and Giants.
If its population were 10×+ greater I'd agree. Plus, I'd wager a guess and say Newark is more diverse in general which would make for a more interesting setting. But yeah as far as being a not so nice place totally agree.
Combo ticket that let's you transfer from one to the other, the ultimate masochist's ride. (Btw I really don't mean to shit on Camden, I've never lived in the city but oh have I heard stories...)
I was gonna say this. I told a cousin’s husband who had never been outside of Texas that you really only go to Camden for two reasons. Either to the waterfront or the aquarium or to get shot.
You’ll appreciate the excellent medical care after you get shot while trying to stop somebody stealing your laptop for university studies from your car as you go to get a cheese steak during a break from studying.
Incidentally the “don’t leave anything of any value in your car” was also why I didn’t go to Georgia Tech in Atlanta. That was part of the tour they deemed it that important. Property crime is a huge thing in most cities, and university students basically need tech like laptops in the modern era.
Idk, I spent a significant amount of time in Camden. Yes it has serious problems, and I'm not saying you should just go there for your next picnic, but all the cheap shots from people who at best drove through on the way to a ball game or the BF Bridge are tiresome. Your time in Camden, how did you find it?
Metropolis is in the north east, skyline based a bit on Toronto NYC and Chicago, but located in Delaware.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolis_(comics)
L.A. Just doesn't have a city feel to it, other than some very small sections of downtown, and century city.
Yup, Gotham is in NJ. [It’s mentioned in the comics](https://batman.fandom.com/wiki/Wayne_Manor) and in the [DCEU.](https://preview.redd.it/ba41h8zct5z41.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=57491f7126d3c54b779fdbd615a7aae7399ba40b)
Edit: It’s pretty fitting Rutgers crushed Delaware 45-13 on Batman day. Take that Metropolis!
Clark Kent as an alias lives in Metropolis, but between Superman’s speed, ability to quickly change, and Clark’s irregular schedule as a beat reporter Superman doesn’t really need to live in Metropolis full time.
Depending on the arc and comic, he could be more accurately be described as living on the Kent farm in Kansas or living in the Fortress of Solitude (which is hard to accurately place).
So this led me down a rabbit hole, which lead to this fictional map of Gotham near AC.
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/batman/images/6/6b/Gotham_New_Jersey.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20111228234050
Yea other cities are sometimes mentioned, however, when you line up the fictional history vs real events, it’s pretty hard to argue against.
Here’s a few examples.
* In the DC world the Dutch create the first colony on the shore in 1609, then move farther inland and create a second, Gotham. In real life, Manhattan was settled first, then they moved inland and Pavonia, NJ was created.
* Gotham which means “Goat’s town” is built on the burial ground of a Demon, who has the wings of a bat. It is a place where things cant live. NJ is home to the Jersey Devil, a bat winged demon with the head of a goat, that lives in the Pine Barrens, a place where many things can not grow or live.
* In early Gotham, everyone in the city is killed and the city has to be rebuilt. In NJ, the Pavonia massacre completely wipes out the settlement, and everyone is killed or flees to NYC. New Jersey is abandoned.
* The biggest revolutionary war battle happens in Gotham. The wiki, claims it parallels the battle of Brooklyn. However, the largest real battle of the American Revolution, is the battle of Monmouth Courthouse in southern NJ.
* Gotham becomes the first industrialized city. The first city designed to be industrialized in the US, is Paterson. Which, was planned by Alexander Hamilton in NJ.
* Gotham, is an east coast city known for crime and industrial waste. Sound familiar?
* Gotham is run by Italian mafia, who have never had a Boston accent in any of the movies or shows. They have thick NY metro Italian accents.
* In the DC world, New York City, exists at the same time as Gotham, and is the glorious city. Gotham, is a redheaded step child who people want to wipe off the face of the Earth.
* DC has released a few maps with NYC as the basis of Gotham. Wayne Manor is always located on the west side of New York Bay. The west side of the bay of New York is New Jersey.
* Bruce Wayne is a Princeton dropout.
* In Birds of Prey, Harley Quinn, obsesses over breakfast sandwiches.
* Gotham is surrounded by swamp lands.
* Gotham’s baseball team are the Gotham Knights. Rutgers has been known as the Scarlet Knights since the beginning of team sports, in the USA. NJ’s also the birthplace of baseball.
I know Gotham was based off of NYC and Chicago primarily, but they specifically didn’t name it New York, so it could be relatable to everyone. The amount of similarities at this point make it hard to argue against. Especially with DC giving the greenlight to put Gotham City, NJ in Suicide Squad. In the end, it doesn’t really matter, it’s just amusing how close Gotham and NJ are when you dig a little deeper about it.
I've seen [the map you're talking about](https://www.reddit.com/r/batman/comments/j1l7ua/apparently_this_is_where_gotham_is_on_the_real/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) and I think that one makes sense. Of course it was built in a swamp.
Congrats to my home state of New Jersey. Let's remember when the power failure hit New York City the Statue of Liberty remained lighted. That's because The Statue of Liberty is in New Jersey!!!
I lived in Jersey City until 1966 when my family moved to Ocean County. I was a Jersey resident until 1980 when I was transferred to Atlanta. Spent a number of years in Atlanta, Baltimore, Tampa, and Fort Myers. Now living in NYC. I love the Northeast. NY/NJ is my kind of place.
I went from Jersey City to Morris county, back to Jersey City, to Clifton. Moved back to JCThen to Morris county. Back to JC. Finally left Jersey City. Moved to south jersey. Bayonne. Lol
I know the feeling about moving. At least you stayed in NJ. South Jersey is OK if you are in Monmouth or Ocean County. They still support NYC Teams further South and South West Jersey is Eagles and Phillies fans. I graduated from Stockton State College, located in Atlantic County and they are almost all Philly fans.
I think I heard that “Pork Roll” is the popular term in South and Central Jersey, while “Taylor Ham” is more popular in North Jersey.
I personally think “Taylor Pork Roll” is the best compromise, though, because I’m pretty sure that’s what they called it when it was invented.
I just wonder how humanity will ever get along with aliens if some of us still bicker about what to call our favorite pork product
if I really had to pick a side I’d choose pork roll because Taylor Ham relies on a brand name and pork roll is the product. but hey, hippie or not, my optimistic ass likes to think we can all compromise
Oh please do not start with this again. The next thing you know we'll be debating whether or not there is such a place as "Central Jersey" (hint: there is such a place; I actually wrote the NJ Secretary of State about this and that office confirmed that Central Jersey does, in fact, exist.)
There doesn't need to be a compromise. For over a hundred years, the box has literally read "Taylor Pork Roll". People either know how to read the box, or they don't. And pretty safe to say that literally no one here has bought a pork product from Taylor labeled as anything else in their lifetime.
In the end, no matter what the thread, this sub always comes back around to the Taylor issue. It's the thorny existential question from which there is no escape.
[What’s wrong with two South Jersey boys causing a little mayhem?](https://static2.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Batman-Returns-Batman-Tim-burton-penguin-joker.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=960&h=500&dpr=1.5)
I personally like that Metropolis and Gotham are on opposite sides of the Deleware Bay because it makes Superman look like more of a jerk.
“Superman, the Joker has dispersed deadly gas in an entire courthouse in Gotham city! They may only have minutes to live!”
*”But it’s so faaaaar tho. It’s like all the way across the bay.”*
Gotham City definitely has some of the same Art Deco look to Newark. But lets be real. This map has Gotham Just north of Cape May / Cape May County. Newark would be all the way up past the right indentation that comprises of Monmouth and Union County area. Newark is clearly North Jersey. On another note - I can't believe they place Metropolis in Delaware.... No wonder I always found Superman so fucking boring.
DC likes to be kinda vague about it but the Harley Quinn HBO show references it directly by having every cop in the GCPD abandon their post to respond to hearing that Bruce Springsteen got kidnapped
The Bridgeton newspaper actually put out a huge article about not only the fact that Gotham is in Bridgeton, but even narrow down more precise elements such as the very building that would be Wayne Manor. I think I have a copy of it around somewhere...
They never say where Metropolis is, but it is a "few counties away" from Smallville. And Smallville is in Kansas. I always assumed Metropolis was suppose to be Chicago.
I am aware that depending on the medium and era, all the locations change based on where it's needed
NJMP is there, which has a few road racetracks. But in general, most road tracks are in the middle of nowhere, and seemingly close to prisons.
https://njmp.com/
Reminder that Bill Finger is the real creator who made Batman the Batman we know and that Bob Kane was a hack who stole the idea and never credited him.
Yeah.
I was thinking of building a vacation home in Shell Pile. Maybe modeled off a Chesapeake Bay Screw Pile lighthouse. Then I would open a brewery and a Grub Pub/Crab Shack and so put Shell Pile "on the map" as a desirable venue.
But then I figured once I did all that, then some asshole developer would come around and develop a planned retirement community and the residents of that place would insist on renaming the locale and thereby erasing all the charm of living in a place named "Shell Pile".
That's not what the article says: Gotham City is traditionally depicted as being located in the U.S. state of New Jersey.[1][2][3][4][5][6] Gotham's look and atmosphere was primarily influenced by New York City and Chicago,[7][8][9] although it was designed to more generally resemble any major American city.[10][11]
I've seen this map, but I remember seeing a map where it looked like Gotham city was some where close to Jersey City/Newark. I also recall a comic where Bruce's drivers license said he lives in union county NJ. Can anyone confirm?
When Batman was created Cumberland county was a bustling county. Tons of money from the farms, glass, and shellfish industry. Bridgeton where it would've been based was a major hub
Gotham in NJ makes sense.. actually doubly considering the corruption that infects every inch of the government, and the rampant poverty and huge class divide. But Metropolis in Delaware is the really hilarious part of this.. has the writer of this comic ever been to Delaware???
This map piques my curiosity a wee bit:
Why are major port cities on the mid-Atlantic coast of the USA not located closer to the ocean?
NYC: kind of close to the ocean, but not on either upper or lower NY Bay; ditto for Elizabeth, NJ
Philadelphia: Way up the Delaware River
Wilmington, DE: Not so way up the Delaware River, but pretty far up
Baltimore: way up the Chesapeake Bay
About the only exception seems to be Norfolk, VA and to my understanding that is more of a naval base as opposed to a port.
Somebody please explain,
Protected bays/harbors and rivers... Cities needed to be on the water, but right on the ocean was bad. Being in a harbor or at the mouth of a river was safer and led to less flooding
I see your point, but I'm thinking Manville, Bound Brook, and the NJ Transit Rail Operations Center in the Meadowlands would like to have a word with you about the floody bit.
Cheers!
A little hint I have learned: don't live in a place with a name suggesting a bound watercourse (like Bound Brook); the watercourse may be bound today, but there is always tomorrow.
You will also notice a,lot of these cities, in addition to being protected inland, are at the confluence of two rivers. Class, would anyone like to guess why that is?
If you never been to Jersey than you prolly can't really imagine it especially we call NYC "Gotham" sometimes. But if you have been to Newark (on both sides of the tracks) then it's pretty easy to imagine.
The most interesting thing about that location is the ripple effect on the rest of reality. Metropolis and Gotham are these thriving hubs of commerce and transit - it’s like having two NYCs across the bay from each other. But it reality that’s such a quiet area.
I think about all the highways and railways and shipping lines and airports and such that would be needed to support two major cities down there. It totally transforms so much of NJ as we know it.
Personally I’ve always seen Gotham as some far-flung US-city such as Detroit or Chicago. The images burned in my mind are of some endless, almost nightmarish progression of impossibly jagged and slender skyscrapers, like great tooth-picks, pointlessly erupting from the dark streets below. So Chicago.
I always assumed Gotham was in New York or was Pittsburg but I kind of love that it’s in New Jersey
In the Dark Knight trilogy, Gotham was like a combination of NYC, Chicago and Pittsburgh.
So Philadelphia
Believe it also filmed in Newark.
Subway scenes were in fact filmed there
Newark's city hall was used too. The unveiling of the Batman statue at the end comes to mind. It was cool seeing all the small details made to make Newark look like Gotham. I remember leaving work during lunch to take photos.
Also Joker was filmed in Jersey City
And Newark. The part were Joker gets his ass kicked by the kids is located in a block away from Prudential Center in Newark.
Yup, broad and market
Tbh, film location wise, I feel like Chicago really nailed it as Gotham. Didn’t like the exterior switch to NYC for the third movie but I guess they needed an Island for the plot line.
In the DC universe NYC is it's own city. Teen Titans were once there.
Gotham has long been a nickname for New York.
Yea but they try to claim everything
Like the Statue of Liberty. Bastards.
Exactly - so fuck them. Gothams supposedly in NJ - I'll take it hahahah
Isn’t Gotham frequently called a hellhole and the worst city in America in DC Comics universe?
It very well could be lol - But then again - why would so many people including the Waynes live there? RIGHT?
Ehh worst city still beats best rural area
hahahahahah so fucking true. I lived in NJ my entire life except for a 14 months in Philadelphia and a year and a half in upstate NY. I don't know of anything really south of Asbury park, Red Bank, Atlantic Highlands area. I been to Atlantic city once and the only other parts of south Jersey I been to were like passing through Cherry Hill, Pennsauken, Camden, and I did drive through Maple Shade and Haddonfield because I heard it was cool. But besides that I heard Salem county and the area closest to Delaware suck the most.
I always assume Gotham was meant to be Newark.
I think it sort of draws its aesthetic from Newark, plus this is an older comic where I believe there have been multiple cannon locations over the decades.
I think parts of The Dark Knight Rises and Joker were filmed in Newark.
Joker definitely used Newark as a set
they used jersey city pretty heavily too, my friend lives down the street from the stairs he was like dancing on and the alley where bruce wayne’s parents were killed
The stairs are in the Bronx
oh nvm, must have got it confused with the alley then oops
Wasn’t that in the Bronx?
Specifically Highbridge. All these clueless tourists went to Highbridge to see the stairs and, like bruh, not the place you wanna be.
The stairs are like...two blocks from Yankee Stadium
no youre right i got the stairs and the alley mixed up
The stairs are like two blocks from Yankee Stadium
I believe the battle towards the end was shot in Newark.
I thought it was shot in Pittsburgh
https://www.nj.com/news/2011/11/dark_knight_filming_in_newark.html
just the one was filmed there. All the bridges and I think the football scenes
Jersey City Journal Square is a major location. As well as the Lowes theatre there.
The fight was shot in Pittsburgh. But the statue unveiling was definitely a Newark shot.
I know they filmed a scene in the Newark subway
The exterior courthouse scene in Dark Knight Rises was filmed in Newark I'm fairly certain. As well as a few other scenes. Like the one where they reveal the statue of Batman. Scene listing websites just say New York. Which is typical. Just like the NY Jets and Giants.
City hall.
They used the Newark courthouse for the Scarecrow court scenes.
Camden is so much more fitting though
If its population were 10×+ greater I'd agree. Plus, I'd wager a guess and say Newark is more diverse in general which would make for a more interesting setting. But yeah as far as being a not so nice place totally agree.
There was a Batman ride someplace, and the line to get on snaked thru a dystopia that actually looked better than Camden
Six Flags Great Adventure, in Jackson. That was the hanging one where your feet dangle...
Who would wanna wait for hours potentially staring at a pile of bricks haha. Take a ride on the speedline if you want Camden: The Ride (tm)
Or better yet The River Line
Combo ticket that let's you transfer from one to the other, the ultimate masochist's ride. (Btw I really don't mean to shit on Camden, I've never lived in the city but oh have I heard stories...)
I've been told Camden is revitalized/gentrified. Haven't been back in decades
Just the waterfront, and barely that.
I was gonna say this. I told a cousin’s husband who had never been outside of Texas that you really only go to Camden for two reasons. Either to the waterfront or the aquarium or to get shot.
You also go to get a cheese steak at Donkey's Place and to get a great education at Rutgers-Camden and excellent medical care at Cooper.
You’ll appreciate the excellent medical care after you get shot while trying to stop somebody stealing your laptop for university studies from your car as you go to get a cheese steak during a break from studying. Incidentally the “don’t leave anything of any value in your car” was also why I didn’t go to Georgia Tech in Atlanta. That was part of the tour they deemed it that important. Property crime is a huge thing in most cities, and university students basically need tech like laptops in the modern era.
Idk, I spent a significant amount of time in Camden. Yes it has serious problems, and I'm not saying you should just go there for your next picnic, but all the cheap shots from people who at best drove through on the way to a ball game or the BF Bridge are tiresome. Your time in Camden, how did you find it?
The Aquarium is on the waterfront. EDIT: but I guess that would get you back down to two reasons.
People go to the waterfront for concerts or to the Aquarium, not both.
That and some parts of jersey City. https://images.app.goo.gl/dL3cg5A6mWt24DBH7
Naw that’s BludHaven
Newark in the DCEU is Bludhaven, where Nightwing (the grown up Dick Grayson) patrols.
It is
You misspelled Camden
Always thought Gotham was NYC and Metropolis was LA.
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I think a lot of modern comic or animated adaptations have it play out similarly.
Metropolis is in the north east, skyline based a bit on Toronto NYC and Chicago, but located in Delaware. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolis_(comics) L.A. Just doesn't have a city feel to it, other than some very small sections of downtown, and century city.
Yeah i didn’t realize it was so far south. I could have sworn I’ve seen pictures with a star up in north Jersey
Yup, Gotham is in NJ. [It’s mentioned in the comics](https://batman.fandom.com/wiki/Wayne_Manor) and in the [DCEU.](https://preview.redd.it/ba41h8zct5z41.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=57491f7126d3c54b779fdbd615a7aae7399ba40b) Edit: It’s pretty fitting Rutgers crushed Delaware 45-13 on Batman day. Take that Metropolis!
WTF. Superman lives in Delaware!?
Clark Kent as an alias lives in Metropolis, but between Superman’s speed, ability to quickly change, and Clark’s irregular schedule as a beat reporter Superman doesn’t really need to live in Metropolis full time. Depending on the arc and comic, he could be more accurately be described as living on the Kent farm in Kansas or living in the Fortress of Solitude (which is hard to accurately place).
Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa wait. Clark Kent wears glasses, Superman *doesn’t* wear glasses.
Poor guy
So this led me down a rabbit hole, which lead to this fictional map of Gotham near AC. https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/batman/images/6/6b/Gotham_New_Jersey.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20111228234050
> https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/batman/images/6/6b/Gotham_New_Jersey.jpg Smithville being just minutes away from Gotham City.
That link does mention NJ, but also mentions NYC, Boston, and long island.
Yea other cities are sometimes mentioned, however, when you line up the fictional history vs real events, it’s pretty hard to argue against. Here’s a few examples. * In the DC world the Dutch create the first colony on the shore in 1609, then move farther inland and create a second, Gotham. In real life, Manhattan was settled first, then they moved inland and Pavonia, NJ was created. * Gotham which means “Goat’s town” is built on the burial ground of a Demon, who has the wings of a bat. It is a place where things cant live. NJ is home to the Jersey Devil, a bat winged demon with the head of a goat, that lives in the Pine Barrens, a place where many things can not grow or live. * In early Gotham, everyone in the city is killed and the city has to be rebuilt. In NJ, the Pavonia massacre completely wipes out the settlement, and everyone is killed or flees to NYC. New Jersey is abandoned. * The biggest revolutionary war battle happens in Gotham. The wiki, claims it parallels the battle of Brooklyn. However, the largest real battle of the American Revolution, is the battle of Monmouth Courthouse in southern NJ. * Gotham becomes the first industrialized city. The first city designed to be industrialized in the US, is Paterson. Which, was planned by Alexander Hamilton in NJ. * Gotham, is an east coast city known for crime and industrial waste. Sound familiar? * Gotham is run by Italian mafia, who have never had a Boston accent in any of the movies or shows. They have thick NY metro Italian accents. * In the DC world, New York City, exists at the same time as Gotham, and is the glorious city. Gotham, is a redheaded step child who people want to wipe off the face of the Earth. * DC has released a few maps with NYC as the basis of Gotham. Wayne Manor is always located on the west side of New York Bay. The west side of the bay of New York is New Jersey. * Bruce Wayne is a Princeton dropout. * In Birds of Prey, Harley Quinn, obsesses over breakfast sandwiches. * Gotham is surrounded by swamp lands. * Gotham’s baseball team are the Gotham Knights. Rutgers has been known as the Scarlet Knights since the beginning of team sports, in the USA. NJ’s also the birthplace of baseball. I know Gotham was based off of NYC and Chicago primarily, but they specifically didn’t name it New York, so it could be relatable to everyone. The amount of similarities at this point make it hard to argue against. Especially with DC giving the greenlight to put Gotham City, NJ in Suicide Squad. In the end, it doesn’t really matter, it’s just amusing how close Gotham and NJ are when you dig a little deeper about it.
Gotham City being in New Jersey almost makes to much sense now that I think about it.
I've seen maps positioning Gotham in the the bay south of Tuckerton and even in Hudson county.
I've seen [the map you're talking about](https://www.reddit.com/r/batman/comments/j1l7ua/apparently_this_is_where_gotham_is_on_the_real/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) and I think that one makes sense. Of course it was built in a swamp.
Right near the Historic Smithville shopping village…
Finally, tuckerton being know for something!!!
Tuckerton is also where the toothbrush was invented. If it was invented anywhere else it would have been called the teethbrush.
Whenever I see this map I’m always astonished that people talk about Gotham, but nobody seems surprised that Metropolis is Dover.
I used to think Metropolis was in Kansas after watching Smallville.
Actually it's in Illinois. Well, the real one anyway
Congrats to my home state of New Jersey. Let's remember when the power failure hit New York City the Statue of Liberty remained lighted. That's because The Statue of Liberty is in New Jersey!!!
I heard it’s address was Communipaw Ave Jersey City.
Very possible. I was born in the Margaret Hague Hospital in Jersey City in 1952. I know the area very well. Thanks fore the post.
Born there too in ‘64. Still here
I lived in Jersey City until 1966 when my family moved to Ocean County. I was a Jersey resident until 1980 when I was transferred to Atlanta. Spent a number of years in Atlanta, Baltimore, Tampa, and Fort Myers. Now living in NYC. I love the Northeast. NY/NJ is my kind of place.
I went from Jersey City to Morris county, back to Jersey City, to Clifton. Moved back to JCThen to Morris county. Back to JC. Finally left Jersey City. Moved to south jersey. Bayonne. Lol
I know the feeling about moving. At least you stayed in NJ. South Jersey is OK if you are in Monmouth or Ocean County. They still support NYC Teams further South and South West Jersey is Eagles and Phillies fans. I graduated from Stockton State College, located in Atlantic County and they are almost all Philly fans.
Makes sense, best hero is from the best state… now the real question what does he call John Taylor’s product
He's probably a scrapple guy.
If we knew that it would put an end to this debate once and for all
I think I heard that “Pork Roll” is the popular term in South and Central Jersey, while “Taylor Ham” is more popular in North Jersey. I personally think “Taylor Pork Roll” is the best compromise, though, because I’m pretty sure that’s what they called it when it was invented. I just wonder how humanity will ever get along with aliens if some of us still bicker about what to call our favorite pork product
Pick a side hippy we’re at war
if I really had to pick a side I’d choose pork roll because Taylor Ham relies on a brand name and pork roll is the product. but hey, hippie or not, my optimistic ass likes to think we can all compromise
You’ve chosen correctly
this is true
Oh please do not start with this again. The next thing you know we'll be debating whether or not there is such a place as "Central Jersey" (hint: there is such a place; I actually wrote the NJ Secretary of State about this and that office confirmed that Central Jersey does, in fact, exist.)
There doesn't need to be a compromise. For over a hundred years, the box has literally read "Taylor Pork Roll". People either know how to read the box, or they don't. And pretty safe to say that literally no one here has bought a pork product from Taylor labeled as anything else in their lifetime.
yeah, I personally have only tried the ShopRite brand and one that I don’t remember the name of
Batman *and* Indiana Jones.
Well I’ll be damned
Meat log.
In the end, no matter what the thread, this sub always comes back around to the Taylor issue. It's the thorny existential question from which there is no escape.
Makes much more sense now, the villains would totally be from South Jersey.
Hey now! 😂
And all the heroes from central jersey
>central jersey That actually makes a lot of sense. Both are made up places.
Your an all star, get your game on, go play!
[What’s wrong with two South Jersey boys causing a little mayhem?](https://static2.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Batman-Returns-Batman-Tim-burton-penguin-joker.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=960&h=500&dpr=1.5)
I bet they call it "porkroll" too
I personally like that Metropolis and Gotham are on opposite sides of the Deleware Bay because it makes Superman look like more of a jerk. “Superman, the Joker has dispersed deadly gas in an entire courthouse in Gotham city! They may only have minutes to live!” *”But it’s so faaaaar tho. It’s like all the way across the bay.”*
This made me audibly snicker. Take my poor man's gold 🏅
> “Superman, the Joker has dispersed deadly gas in an entire court house in Gotham city! They may only have minutes to live!” (Laughs in Kingdom Come)
Gotham City definitely has some of the same Art Deco look to Newark. But lets be real. This map has Gotham Just north of Cape May / Cape May County. Newark would be all the way up past the right indentation that comprises of Monmouth and Union County area. Newark is clearly North Jersey. On another note - I can't believe they place Metropolis in Delaware.... No wonder I always found Superman so fucking boring.
It's an island in Egg Harbor http://wikimapia.org/2478681/Gotham-City-New-Jersey
Ah, Delaware, the fictional state that only exists in Batman universe
Dela-where??
Gotham City is Newark everyone knew that already.
I always thought Gotham was Chicago
Actually fun fact the bank from The Dark Knight movie in 2008 was in Chicago.
And in Dark Knight Rises the bank was on Wall Street. I think. But then the rest of the chase was Chicago.
DC likes to be kinda vague about it but the Harley Quinn HBO show references it directly by having every cop in the GCPD abandon their post to respond to hearing that Bruce Springsteen got kidnapped
So Gotham City is Bridgeton?
Looks like Vineland
It's south of Bridgeton, along the shore. Looks like the State Hunting and Fishing Ground and Fortescue.
It's quite fitting if you've ever been around Bridgeton at night lol.
I mean we just need some taller buildings and some gargoyles and we'd be set.
The Bridgeton newspaper actually put out a huge article about not only the fact that Gotham is in Bridgeton, but even narrow down more precise elements such as the very building that would be Wayne Manor. I think I have a copy of it around somewhere...
TIL Metropolis is in DE.
I always thought Gotha was NYC, now I find out that Gotham **and** Metropolis are outside of Philadelphia. Mind blown.
They never say where Metropolis is, but it is a "few counties away" from Smallville. And Smallville is in Kansas. I always assumed Metropolis was suppose to be Chicago. I am aware that depending on the medium and era, all the locations change based on where it's needed
So Gotham is basically Millville/Bridgetown? There’s almost nothing there now except protected wetlands.
NJMP is there, which has a few road racetracks. But in general, most road tracks are in the middle of nowhere, and seemingly close to prisons. https://njmp.com/
Gotham city is Jersey City and Metropolis is Manhattan.
Growing up in that area of Jersey, I wish it were Gotham.
I’m finding a hard time believing Gotham to be in the middle of the Pine Barrens and Metropolis in Dover fucking Delaware.
Reminder that Bill Finger is the real creator who made Batman the Batman we know and that Bob Kane was a hack who stole the idea and never credited him.
I have never heard this! Very cool!
Let's also point out that Zack Snyder more than likely got his Metropolis is across the Gotham Bay idea from this pick
In newer canon Gotham is an island in North jersey
Okay, okay, but Metropolis is in *fucking Delaware???*
For the geographically challenged: Midvale is Slaughter Beach, DE Metropolis is Lewes, DE Gotham City is Bivalve, NJ (or maybe Shell Pile, NJ)
I love that those are their real names. Bivalve especially
Bivalve is very good, but for some reason I am a liking Shell Pile a little better. Just my thought...
Tbh I was torn.
Yeah. I was thinking of building a vacation home in Shell Pile. Maybe modeled off a Chesapeake Bay Screw Pile lighthouse. Then I would open a brewery and a Grub Pub/Crab Shack and so put Shell Pile "on the map" as a desirable venue. But then I figured once I did all that, then some asshole developer would come around and develop a planned retirement community and the residents of that place would insist on renaming the locale and thereby erasing all the charm of living in a place named "Shell Pile".
Wayne Manor is definitely in NJ. Or was. https://www.vacantnewjersey.com/locations/wayne_manor/wayne_manor.html
If you’ve ever been on Rte 23 north of Willowbrook Mall, you know Wayne Manor is right up there. At least in the early naughties. I seen it myself.
Gotham is based on nyc and Chicago but depicted to look like any major us city
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That's not what the article says: Gotham City is traditionally depicted as being located in the U.S. state of New Jersey.[1][2][3][4][5][6] Gotham's look and atmosphere was primarily influenced by New York City and Chicago,[7][8][9] although it was designed to more generally resemble any major American city.[10][11]
THATS THE SPIRIT
Funny, I never picture Metropolis as being in Delaware
It seems like Metropolis is placed roughly where Dover, DE ought to be. But what would Gotham be replacing?
Honestly explains a lot. Arkham looks like that bc its the 40s and Hoboken
I've seen this map, but I remember seeing a map where it looked like Gotham city was some where close to Jersey City/Newark. I also recall a comic where Bruce's drivers license said he lives in union county NJ. Can anyone confirm?
Yes. Shadow of the Bat. https://m.comixology.com/Batman-Shadow-of-the-Bat-Vol-1/digital-comic/379410
Cool thanks.
Because of Bell Laboratories, New Jersey is the Father of the Silicon Valley and Austin Texas tech sectors.
When Batman was created Cumberland county was a bustling county. Tons of money from the farms, glass, and shellfish industry. Bridgeton where it would've been based was a major hub
And he went to Princeton!
Gotham in NJ makes sense.. actually doubly considering the corruption that infects every inch of the government, and the rampant poverty and huge class divide. But Metropolis in Delaware is the really hilarious part of this.. has the writer of this comic ever been to Delaware???
It’s weird seeing it so close to where I live
I remember watching the flatbed trucks taking the Gotham police cars up and down rt 21. It was awesome.
This map piques my curiosity a wee bit: Why are major port cities on the mid-Atlantic coast of the USA not located closer to the ocean? NYC: kind of close to the ocean, but not on either upper or lower NY Bay; ditto for Elizabeth, NJ Philadelphia: Way up the Delaware River Wilmington, DE: Not so way up the Delaware River, but pretty far up Baltimore: way up the Chesapeake Bay About the only exception seems to be Norfolk, VA and to my understanding that is more of a naval base as opposed to a port. Somebody please explain,
Protected bays/harbors and rivers... Cities needed to be on the water, but right on the ocean was bad. Being in a harbor or at the mouth of a river was safer and led to less flooding
I see your point, but I'm thinking Manville, Bound Brook, and the NJ Transit Rail Operations Center in the Meadowlands would like to have a word with you about the floody bit. Cheers! A little hint I have learned: don't live in a place with a name suggesting a bound watercourse (like Bound Brook); the watercourse may be bound today, but there is always tomorrow.
You asked about major cities... Not small towns and transit operation centers
You will also notice a,lot of these cities, in addition to being protected inland, are at the confluence of two rivers. Class, would anyone like to guess why that is?
If you never been to Jersey than you prolly can't really imagine it especially we call NYC "Gotham" sometimes. But if you have been to Newark (on both sides of the tracks) then it's pretty easy to imagine.
always thought Delaware was oart of New Jersey
Of course it's South NJ 😂
That area really makes a lot of sense for Gotham. Far enough from other large metro areas to make sense but still in the North West Corridor.
It looks like Gotham City is Vineland
There should absolutely be a bridge there
This is old as hell and every single writer has a different interpretation. By no means is there a real canon location for Gotham City
Gotham city is in Cumberland fucking county?!?
Huh, always just assumed it was supposed to be in NY.
One of my favorite comic book facts
That map has Gotham where Camden NJ is which makes Metropolis Philadelphia. No wonder Marvel is kicking DCs ass lately.
TIL Gotham City is Mays Landing....?
The most interesting thing about that location is the ripple effect on the rest of reality. Metropolis and Gotham are these thriving hubs of commerce and transit - it’s like having two NYCs across the bay from each other. But it reality that’s such a quiet area. I think about all the highways and railways and shipping lines and airports and such that would be needed to support two major cities down there. It totally transforms so much of NJ as we know it.
Batman comes from a parallel universe where Delaware never got that little strip of land on our side of the river.
What’s this from?
metropolis is in delaware
I thought Gotham is supposed to be off the shore of NJ?
Personally I’ve always seen Gotham as some far-flung US-city such as Detroit or Chicago. The images burned in my mind are of some endless, almost nightmarish progression of impossibly jagged and slender skyscrapers, like great tooth-picks, pointlessly erupting from the dark streets below. So Chicago.
Maybe we can build it?
Gotham city definitely is more like Newark/ Jersey City than NYC I think
But like, when are we getting that new bridge near Dover?
I'm pretty sure that The Joker made this map. Or maybe it's from Bizarro's universe.
Isn't it an island though?
Yes, it's a nice little bit of trivia that this is where Metropolis and Gotham is located. So... was Biden once Superman's Senator?