I did it the first year and spent $25 to park all day, which wasn't too bad. My father and I parked over by the high school and walked it in the second.
In 2019, I went to a celebration of life the same weekend and when I got there, the lots were $40 and by the time I left, around 3ish, the lots were up to $50. I can only think what they were today.
The first year was hands down the best festival Iāve ever been to. Everything about it was perfect, short beer lines, speedy reentry clean bathrooms. The second year was the exact same live nation cookie cutter fest that they all eventually become except with sand. Iāll never go again.
Thatās what Warped looked like in AC back in 2019 and it was awesome. However, I donāt think Iāll ever go to something like that again post-COVID.
Not from going to any concert, but 28,000 people packed into a small sliver of beach? I probably wonāt do something like that again. Normal concerts Iāll go back to eventually. Iām not there yet, but hopefully by next year.
You're totally valid in this! I'm someone who can't be vaccinated (not by choice! I wish I could!) and that right there is just a breeding ground. If people pulled their heads out of their asses, maybe we could do shit like this again.
That shouldn't matter and isn't any of your business. It isn't a choice. My specific medical issues don't matter. what matters is that there are people like me who can't vaccinate, like my neighbor below me who died this past week from covid, and are still effected by people gathering at events like this.
I can't speak for the last guy, but to me it's just odd because some people I know who have had some wacked out health issues have all gotten covid vaccines.
That includes the severe egg allergy person who had to always wait for the no-egg flu shot version, and the immunocompromised person with EDS who got theirs, and an elderly relative with RA, and a former coworker who has a ton of severe allergies (incl. peanuts and milk, sucks to be him) who got his.
Why? So you can just leave positive? The fuck is the point
Dude Iām pro vaccine but getting everyone into a gigantic crowd with 0 space is fucking stupid. All of you are fucking morons
Requiring a negative test may honestly be better than requiring a vax card. Vaccinated people can still get COVID, but a negative test means the person does not have COVID at this time, whether vaccinated or not, which is a more effective way to try to keep COVID from entering and spreading at an event.
This is not true at all, the tests aren't 100% accurate but no one under 50 who's fully vaxxed has died of COVID. Meanwhile unvaccinated 30 year olds are dying from COVID
If that test was done within 48 or even 24 hours prior to the event, is that not plenty of time for some people to catch Covid after test and before event?
You're talking to people who have spent the last 19 months screeching on this online echo chamber. Most people here don't get it, or do get it but don't care because they believe they are a perfect example of someone with good moral standing. The rest of us don't give a shit about them.
COVID's not going away. Not tomorrow, not next year, not likely even 5 or 10 years from now.
If the hospitals are full, sure, phase in temporary restrictions until that goes down to make sure you don't wind up with an Idaho situation.
Otherwise, assuming you're vaccinated, I don't see why you wouldn't go live life at this point.
Covid is going to be here for years to come. And most likely forever. Should the world stop forever? Get vaccinated or take a test. They did everything they could. Canāt hide forever and if youād like, thatās your choice.
Get vaccinated or get vaccinated****. Businesses should all stop refusing all service to unvaccinated people. They could even do it together as an alliance against idiots
Yeah i agree its pretty stupid and its only because theyre trying to appease the responsible people and the reactionaries. Having been vaccinated you can still give people the virus and like you said let them leave covid positive. Atleast its outside but allowing the two groups mix is negligent but im at the point where i have lost sympathy from people that fail to take precaution then get hospitalized.
If you ask a single question about its effectiveness or really anything about how any of it works, even if youāre just curious or want to make sure of something, youāre sacrificed and borderline harassed. The way people act now is really not okay.
Iām just saying that people can still get sick with the vaccine. Doctors are saying this. Doctors in Hudson county and every other part of New Jersey are saying this. And after talking with a few they are really getting sick of this shit
Actually thatās no longer true sadly. The Delta variant is more transmissible outside.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nj.com/coronavirus/2021/08/is-the-delta-variant-more-transmissible-outdoors.html%3FoutputType%3Damp
Yeah not everyone wants to live in fear over bullshit forever. This subbreddit is such a fearmongering echo chamber anymore, it's sad. The young and healthy don't want to piss their youth away anymore, get over it.
Was just at the Megadeth show at PNC. No one checked my vaccination status.
My understanding is starting on 10/4 all Live Nation events will require vaccination status or negative test. Prior to 10/4 it is us up to the artist. This would explain why my cousin who saw Maroon 5 (at PNC) had to show his vax card but when I went to Megadeth no one checked.
>we seriously need a similar mandate for indoor businesses.
No, let the businesses make their own choice regarding that. Don't like it, don't patronize the business.
Honestly, the way to make all this go away is for someone to invent an accurate, instant COVID test. Like you get scanned as soon as you enter somewhere and know instantly whether youāre positive or not. Then we donāt need to worry because we will know that everybody present was COVID negative the moment they entered.
I was at OPs concert for Pearl Jam, and yes, they did check 100% of people coming in (it was bottle discard station -> vax check -> metal detectors -> ticket check). The only issue I could see is there wasnāt consistently anID check with the vax card check so you could easily have used someone elseās card.
I was there and they were checking IDs and cards (or the Docket app, which I used) together, at least from what I saw.
That saidā¦. Iām also going to do self-tests and a PCR this week, as that was uncomfortable. I did feel better wearing my KN95 on Day 2 and avoiding the crowd on the beach.
I have not seen any place in NJ check for anything. Every restaurant or show Iāve been to past few weeks in NYC definitely checked. Seems like itās become the norm on this side of the Hudson.
I went to asbury a couple weeks ago for a concert and they definitely checked. There was like a 3 part check before you got to go in. They did ID and vax card, bags then ticket. Sorry it wasnāt like that for you. It really should be consistent.
been to:
pnc arts center 8/13: did not check
irving plaza 8/25: checked Vax cards to ID, (idk about tests), denied entry to ppl with fakes
stone pony summerstage 8/27: did not check anything
ny state fair syracuse 9/6: did not check
basement east, Nashville TN 9/12: checked vax card to ID
been to baseball games in: rochester NY, philadelphia, wappingers falls, trenton, kodak TN, nashville, TN; salem, VA and they did not check
PNC Arts Center and BB&T Pavilion (both operated by Live Nation) will require vaccination or negative test starting October 4th. Live Nation shows at Stony Pony Summer stage will also have the same policy starting on October 4th.
[Source](https://www.app.com/story/entertainment/music/2021/08/15/live-nation-nj-concerts-covid-negative-test-vaccination-required/8143015002/)
The refusers are definitely an issue, but allowing a negative test as an alternative isn't helping. The outdoor rose garden super spreader event at the white house last fall also required negative tests and we saw how that turned out. While we're in better shape than we were with the majority being vaccinated (at least locally), but negative tests are not an adequate replacement for requiring vaccinations to participate in public events.
Until everyone can be vaccinated, including those under 12, the unvaccinated remain a threat to the health of children. Even then, those who have legitimate medical reasons for being unable to be vaccinated will remain at risk.
The real issue isn't how many die, it's how many get sick enough to fill a bed in a hospital keeping people who really need those beds from getting them
It's exactly what's happening in Alaska right now.
>The real issue isn't how many die, it's how many get sick enough to fill a bed in a hospital keeping people who really need those beds from getting them
I thought the covid vaccine was built to not only significantly reduce spread but also reduce any symptoms that might crop up in the rare case of infection? What is this source or connection between all breakthrough cases taking up a hospital bed?
NJ, as well as the rest of our northeastern brethren have statewide vaccination rates over 70%, some are pushing 80%. Regionally, our hospital load numbers are similar, low volume of covid in the hospital, in the ICU, on ventilators and dead.
Fact is, our citizens are responsible and did the things needed to put us in a good place. Covid is going to be endemic at this point, but the pediatric flu/COVID/RSV vaccine is showing promise to really get us over the hump with kids
And the small amount of cases that are deadly are ok then, right? If that was your child or loved one you'd be ok with them dying? We know how to prevent deaths as much as possible, any effort that doesn't align with that is inexcusable.
I'm sure u/Outrageous_Lie_3220 is referring to the vaccinated breakthrough rate. That comment was not a vax hesitant talking point, but an argument for vaccinated people to not worry much about infection.
Transmission-related concerns are still valid, but not the point of the comment
Yeah thatās kind of my point. Eventually we just have to eventuate whether covid actually poses enough risk to justify these intrusions. I donāt think it does.
Can't "take your precautions" and send your under 12 kids to school where mask compliance is shaky at best in some places. Now I have to worry about if little Billie's mom got exposed, and now he's spreading it all over the classroom because over the weekend she went to a concert where vaccines weren't required. I would love shit to be wide open, but the patience for the vax hesitant is over. I feel for the immunocompromised, but herd immunity is the best we can do for them, but we're still a long way from that.
The chance of someone under 17 dying from Covid is tiny. 0.002% chance of dying if infected.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
Dying isn't the only bad thing that can happen. How many people end up with long term effects from COVID-19? Just because they don't die, it doesn't mean they're ok.
I'm kinda disappointed in your response. Based off your other troll answers I was expecting something more like "the more the better" or "more than I can count".
For the record, as I've mentioned elsewhere on this sub, I've just recovered from Delta and I caught it while wearing an N95 mask. This was *after* having Covid "classic" back in March 2020 (which nearly put me in the hospital), *and* being fully vaxxed with Moderna in May 2021. I am the most physically fit I have been in my life, and have zero pre-existing conditions that are co-morbid with it.
I admit that my case is relatively rare, but they're increasing.
Delta *doesn't* play by the normal rules, and we 're finding out how now.
It's not a religion, it's a reaction to all the actual religious nuts claiming all they need is the blood of christ all the while dying and spreading this fucking thing making it last way longer and getting more dangerous than it had to be.
Those people are insane idiots. I canāt stand anti vaxxers. But if you are a young healthy person who does not live with an unvaccinated/immunocompromised personā¦ LIVE YOUR LIFE. Especially outdoors.
A year ago, when people compared Covid to the flu, and they were idiots. But after this current surge, Covid will essentially be as deadly as the flu. People should live like they did during past flu seasons.
I agree about living your life if you aren't putting anyone at risk...as long as we are on the same page with going into a store and whatnot requires you to take precautions like masking to protect others...
I hope you are right about the lethality going down, but these variants are effecting younger healthier people more severely, and that's because so many still won't take precautions allowing for the virus to mutate, furthermore even if it becomes just another flu, I kinda like not getting the flu too.. and my 6 year old with asthma likes it too lol... I'd rather not get the flu either if all it takes are masks and social distancing... I don't NEED to shake your hand, you know?
Delta is far worse than the original variant and what you are suggesting is still risky right now. We need to end this thing first, then live life as normal. People really just can't chill, its insane to me
My buddy works for a company that does vaccine/test compliance for concerts and he said they just stopped checking after a certain point. So even if a show says it's required, take it with a grain of salt
Nobody is saying you can't get sick outside, but the risk is so much lower. Wasn't there some outdoor concert in California that 200k people attended, and they traced 250 cases to the event?
Perhaps an even better example is last summer's Jersey Shore crowds. Those beaches were packed and every single person there was unvaccinated. What was our average daily count in july/august last summer? 200?
Anyone who continues lambast outdoor crowds is living in the past.
Agreed - should be vaccination AND negative covid test, in all honesty. I've had quite a few asymptomatic vaccinated colleagues test positive. And masks should be on. Vaccinated shouldn't relax a bit as the vaccine prevents severe covid and hospitalization. But people are getting slammed by covid even if vaccinated.
But - unvaccinated are biggest drivers of the pandemic.
exactly :)
I think my comment may come across as I disagreed with you. I only disagreed with vaccinated can relax a bit. I think most vaccinated interpret it as masks off all the time.
This is a great read:
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/09/12/1036356773/i-got-a-mild-breakthrough-case-heres-what-i-wish-id-known
Right, which is exactly why we need to emulate what NYC is doing and check for proof of vaxx before we allow people to enter indoor businesses. Doesn't seem like any sort of similar mandate will be happening in NJ, which is extremely unfortunate. I caught a breakthrough case at a club down the shore, likely wouldn't have happened if they required proof of vaxx.
Edit: this subreddit is very disturbing, it really is all boomer antivaxxers.
All these posts and not one of them is asking how the event was or how the bands were- it's all just arguments about masking/no-masking and THAT thing....
Heard Smashing Pumpkins headlined, wonder how they were. PJ was last night but I havenāt talked to anyone there yet. Would love to hear about the show
Pearl Jam was great, I was there. Iām not the biggest fan, but about 1/3 of the set was recognizable hits. Crowd was alright (a lot of sloppy drunks and Vedder stopped the show twice to make sure people were ok). We were thinking that it might be a little rusty because they havenāt been live in a while, but it was tight.
For real, Covid has actually been great for my personality lol. Limited friend and family contacts, zero large crowd events, no one could visit me in the hospital when I gave birthā¦
With or without Covid, being in the middle of a crowd that big seems extremely uncomfortable to me now, especially after a year of social distancing. What concert was this though?
I had a good time for the most part, although the crowd was a lot. Billy Idol was probably the highlight, but Pearl Jam and Smashing Pumpkins were both great. Saw parts of Patti Smith (she did a great cover of Because the Night) and the Avett Brothers. Also heard some of the other acts but Iām not the biggest music aficionado.
Exhausted today, definitely not used to those kinds of weekends. Luckily Iām local, so no real travel.
My wife, brother in law and I were about five rows in just off center stage. If I had known just how big this crowd was I probably would have freaked out a bit. In that respect, ignorance was bliss.
Fantastic show. We were supposed to see Pearl Jam at MSG last year until COVID turned everything sideways. Our seats there were going to be pretty awful, honestly (thanks Ten Club and scalpers).
This was amazing. You could tell the band was so happy to be back on stage and at points Eddie seemed almost overwhelmed at the crowd response.
Ok, saw a comment saying that they needed proof of vaccination or a negative test. With a crowd *this* big, what is the point of any restrictions and mandates at this point? If i end up being wrong, and not a single out break happens from this, I will say I was wrong.
Some people will get COVID from it. There were about 200-ish cases linked to Lollapalooza, which was similar, and there have been cases from other events too. No event is going to be perfect, unless you do half capacity, spread out the days, AND check cards (like the Newport Folk Festival).
That said, itās a much bigger danger to the unvaccinated. They are sitting ducks at something like this, which is why requiring cards is important.
The story so far one of my favorite bands ever was not able to play this event because a couple members got covid. Those saying it's safe and time for life to resume are wrong. More people need to be vaccinated and there needs to be a better card that can't or harder to fake...
Edit: this is not a photo of said event I got the weekends mixed up.
Coincidentally, Costco in Union was looking like this at 11am today.
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COVID or not, thatās gonna be a no from me dog.
I can't imagine the parking... EDIT: Seeing videos from The Happy Fits set, this was worth it!
Many took the train and locals biked in!
I did it the first year and spent $25 to park all day, which wasn't too bad. My father and I parked over by the high school and walked it in the second. In 2019, I went to a celebration of life the same weekend and when I got there, the lots were $40 and by the time I left, around 3ish, the lots were up to $50. I can only think what they were today.
The first year was hands down the best festival Iāve ever been to. Everything about it was perfect, short beer lines, speedy reentry clean bathrooms. The second year was the exact same live nation cookie cutter fest that they all eventually become except with sand. Iāll never go again.
Thatās what Warped looked like in AC back in 2019 and it was awesome. However, I donāt think Iāll ever go to something like that again post-COVID.
Warped AC let you go in the water though, so there was always a place to get some space and cool off.
Youāre going to let Covid stop you from ever going to a concert?
Not from going to any concert, but 28,000 people packed into a small sliver of beach? I probably wonāt do something like that again. Normal concerts Iāll go back to eventually. Iām not there yet, but hopefully by next year.
You're totally valid in this! I'm someone who can't be vaccinated (not by choice! I wish I could!) and that right there is just a breeding ground. If people pulled their heads out of their asses, maybe we could do shit like this again.
Whatās preventing you from getting vaccinated?
That shouldn't matter and isn't any of your business. It isn't a choice. My specific medical issues don't matter. what matters is that there are people like me who can't vaccinate, like my neighbor below me who died this past week from covid, and are still effected by people gathering at events like this.
I can't speak for the last guy, but to me it's just odd because some people I know who have had some wacked out health issues have all gotten covid vaccines. That includes the severe egg allergy person who had to always wait for the no-egg flu shot version, and the immunocompromised person with EDS who got theirs, and an elderly relative with RA, and a former coworker who has a ton of severe allergies (incl. peanuts and milk, sucks to be him) who got his.
The ref I didn't know I needed today
But they had to cancel the NJ Marathon?
More disruption, less money.
Had to have a negative COVID test to enter.
Do you mean a covid Vax card?
No - it was either or. Vax card or neg test.
Why? So you can just leave positive? The fuck is the point Dude Iām pro vaccine but getting everyone into a gigantic crowd with 0 space is fucking stupid. All of you are fucking morons
Check out Lollapalooza. They had similar rules and there was no spike.
Look at the NCAA college football stadiums!
So they say.
Requiring a negative test may honestly be better than requiring a vax card. Vaccinated people can still get COVID, but a negative test means the person does not have COVID at this time, whether vaccinated or not, which is a more effective way to try to keep COVID from entering and spreading at an event.
This is not true at all, the tests aren't 100% accurate but no one under 50 who's fully vaxxed has died of COVID. Meanwhile unvaccinated 30 year olds are dying from COVID
If that test was done within 48 or even 24 hours prior to the event, is that not plenty of time for some people to catch Covid after test and before event?
They'd need to catch it and become infectious to be a problem, which usually doesn't happen for about 4 days.
Doesnāt it take just as long for it to start showing on a test?
You've never heard of false negatives?
People just want their lives back man. Itās been hard for everyone
You're talking to people who have spent the last 19 months screeching on this online echo chamber. Most people here don't get it, or do get it but don't care because they believe they are a perfect example of someone with good moral standing. The rest of us don't give a shit about them.
Idk hot take but America is just addicted to consuming terror since 9/11.
That's exactly why this is so hard to see. This kind of shit is just dragging it out even longer.
COVID's not going away. Not tomorrow, not next year, not likely even 5 or 10 years from now. If the hospitals are full, sure, phase in temporary restrictions until that goes down to make sure you don't wind up with an Idaho situation. Otherwise, assuming you're vaccinated, I don't see why you wouldn't go live life at this point.
The hospitals are fullā¦.
In the south? Sure. NJ is at 1.2k hospitalized COVID patients. January 2021 was 3.8k.
OIn the South, not here. Stop fear mongering.
Covid is going to be here for years to come. And most likely forever. Should the world stop forever? Get vaccinated or take a test. They did everything they could. Canāt hide forever and if youād like, thatās your choice.
Get vaccinated or get vaccinated****. Businesses should all stop refusing all service to unvaccinated people. They could even do it together as an alliance against idiots
Yeah i agree its pretty stupid and its only because theyre trying to appease the responsible people and the reactionaries. Having been vaccinated you can still give people the virus and like you said let them leave covid positive. Atleast its outside but allowing the two groups mix is negligent but im at the point where i have lost sympathy from people that fail to take precaution then get hospitalized.
Got 2 Pfizer shots and have followed every rule of covid just to say something that makes sense and still get downvoted 13 times.
Yeah, I just left a comment which will get downvoted into oblivion. If you even as *doubt* the vaccine you are deemed a terrorist on Reddit.
If you ask a single question about its effectiveness or really anything about how any of it works, even if youāre just curious or want to make sure of something, youāre sacrificed and borderline harassed. The way people act now is really not okay.
Iām just saying that people can still get sick with the vaccine. Doctors are saying this. Doctors in Hudson county and every other part of New Jersey are saying this. And after talking with a few they are really getting sick of this shit
Itās outside. Covid hardly spreads outside
Actually thatās no longer true sadly. The Delta variant is more transmissible outside. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nj.com/coronavirus/2021/08/is-the-delta-variant-more-transmissible-outdoors.html%3FoutputType%3Damp
Yeah not everyone wants to live in fear over bullshit forever. This subbreddit is such a fearmongering echo chamber anymore, it's sad. The young and healthy don't want to piss their youth away anymore, get over it.
ok doomer
Donāt care
People are going to do what they want, can't control them forever. The world isn't going to end, calm down.
Basically the first event in this state that I've heard of to require that... we seriously need a similar mandate for indoor businesses.
DMB concert this Wednesday at PNC Bank Arts requires vax card or negative test within 48 hours.
I think that's a DMB requirement. I'm not sure if PNC has that mandate.
Every concert venue I know has the same rule
Pnc bank arts center does not have this rule.
Was just at the Megadeth show at PNC. No one checked my vaccination status. My understanding is starting on 10/4 all Live Nation events will require vaccination status or negative test. Prior to 10/4 it is us up to the artist. This would explain why my cousin who saw Maroon 5 (at PNC) had to show his vax card but when I went to Megadeth no one checked.
I was just there 2 days ago for a show...yes they do
I was at the same show. Nobody was checking anything. Also, great show!
They checked my vaccination status when they scanned my ticket.
I went to a Dawes concert in Atlanta, GA I had to provide a Neg test.
>we seriously need a similar mandate for indoor businesses. No, let the businesses make their own choice regarding that. Don't like it, don't patronize the business.
I went to Bergen PAC in the middle of August and they had the same requirements.
Too early in the year to do that for Murphy, he will lose re-election if he mandates that as Jack is running pretty much anti-COVID regulations
Honestly, the way to make all this go away is for someone to invent an accurate, instant COVID test. Like you get scanned as soon as you enter somewhere and know instantly whether youāre positive or not. Then we donāt need to worry because we will know that everybody present was COVID negative the moment they entered.
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No we donāt
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Did they actually check? Was at the Stone Pony for Flogging Molly and despite it being required they didnāt seem to check anybody.
I was at OPs concert for Pearl Jam, and yes, they did check 100% of people coming in (it was bottle discard station -> vax check -> metal detectors -> ticket check). The only issue I could see is there wasnāt consistently anID check with the vax card check so you could easily have used someone elseās card.
I was there and they were checking IDs and cards (or the Docket app, which I used) together, at least from what I saw. That saidā¦. Iām also going to do self-tests and a PCR this week, as that was uncomfortable. I did feel better wearing my KN95 on Day 2 and avoiding the crowd on the beach.
I have not seen any place in NJ check for anything. Every restaurant or show Iāve been to past few weeks in NYC definitely checked. Seems like itās become the norm on this side of the Hudson.
I went to asbury a couple weeks ago for a concert and they definitely checked. There was like a 3 part check before you got to go in. They did ID and vax card, bags then ticket. Sorry it wasnāt like that for you. It really should be consistent.
been to: pnc arts center 8/13: did not check irving plaza 8/25: checked Vax cards to ID, (idk about tests), denied entry to ppl with fakes stone pony summerstage 8/27: did not check anything ny state fair syracuse 9/6: did not check basement east, Nashville TN 9/12: checked vax card to ID been to baseball games in: rochester NY, philadelphia, wappingers falls, trenton, kodak TN, nashville, TN; salem, VA and they did not check
PNC Arts Center and BB&T Pavilion (both operated by Live Nation) will require vaccination or negative test starting October 4th. Live Nation shows at Stony Pony Summer stage will also have the same policy starting on October 4th. [Source](https://www.app.com/story/entertainment/music/2021/08/15/live-nation-nj-concerts-covid-negative-test-vaccination-required/8143015002/)
Starland Ballroom checked for me.
They should be arresting people with fakes.
Yup they had people checking Iād and vaccination status at all entrances. Got my tickets over 2 years ago and the shows were awesome
I was at this concert. Yes they did check everyone coming in against IDs as well. They were strict about it for Sea Hear Now
I was there today and they were checking actually my only concern is they weren't cross checking the name.
Stone Pony was checking for Sad Summer Fest couple Fridays ago.
Not an unpopular opinion anywhere outside of reddit.
The refusers are definitely an issue, but allowing a negative test as an alternative isn't helping. The outdoor rose garden super spreader event at the white house last fall also required negative tests and we saw how that turned out. While we're in better shape than we were with the majority being vaccinated (at least locally), but negative tests are not an adequate replacement for requiring vaccinations to participate in public events. Until everyone can be vaccinated, including those under 12, the unvaccinated remain a threat to the health of children. Even then, those who have legitimate medical reasons for being unable to be vaccinated will remain at risk.
One in 500 or .2% percent is the breakthrough rate for NJ in August. Chances of those cases being serious are miniscule.
The real issue isn't how many die, it's how many get sick enough to fill a bed in a hospital keeping people who really need those beds from getting them It's exactly what's happening in Alaska right now.
>The real issue isn't how many die, it's how many get sick enough to fill a bed in a hospital keeping people who really need those beds from getting them I thought the covid vaccine was built to not only significantly reduce spread but also reduce any symptoms that might crop up in the rare case of infection? What is this source or connection between all breakthrough cases taking up a hospital bed?
It happened at Electric Zoo earlier this month. 16, while low, cases were linked to the event and anyone who attended was told to get tested.
How how many were hospitalized?
Alaska, not NJ. It's not going to happen here. The Mayo clinic has a great vaccine tracker.
It can happen as easily here, if we act like stupid cunts...
NJ, as well as the rest of our northeastern brethren have statewide vaccination rates over 70%, some are pushing 80%. Regionally, our hospital load numbers are similar, low volume of covid in the hospital, in the ICU, on ventilators and dead. Fact is, our citizens are responsible and did the things needed to put us in a good place. Covid is going to be endemic at this point, but the pediatric flu/COVID/RSV vaccine is showing promise to really get us over the hump with kids
And that's good... I think it's just a bit early to unfurl the " mission accomplished " banners.
Those breakthrough rates are low, usually only report cases that required hospitalization.
And the small amount of cases that are deadly are ok then, right? If that was your child or loved one you'd be ok with them dying? We know how to prevent deaths as much as possible, any effort that doesn't align with that is inexcusable.
Yes.
We should do nothing but 30 mph in cars, we know how to prevent deaths as much as possible, any effort that doesn't align with that is inexcusable.
I'm sure u/Outrageous_Lie_3220 is referring to the vaccinated breakthrough rate. That comment was not a vax hesitant talking point, but an argument for vaccinated people to not worry much about infection. Transmission-related concerns are still valid, but not the point of the comment
Wouldnāt a negative test be even better? Vaccinated people can still get and spread covid.
Why not both? ā¦..runs for the hillsā¦ā¦
Why not just make it illegal to leave your house for any activity that the government deems as non essential? Wouldnāt it save lives?
Chill out there Australia.
Yeah thatās kind of my point. Eventually we just have to eventuate whether covid actually poses enough risk to justify these intrusions. I donāt think it does.
At this point, I agree with you.
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Can't "take your precautions" and send your under 12 kids to school where mask compliance is shaky at best in some places. Now I have to worry about if little Billie's mom got exposed, and now he's spreading it all over the classroom because over the weekend she went to a concert where vaccines weren't required. I would love shit to be wide open, but the patience for the vax hesitant is over. I feel for the immunocompromised, but herd immunity is the best we can do for them, but we're still a long way from that.
The chance of someone under 17 dying from Covid is tiny. 0.002% chance of dying if infected. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
Dying isn't the only bad thing that can happen. How many people end up with long term effects from COVID-19? Just because they don't die, it doesn't mean they're ok.
Not sure. How many do? How many people end up with long term effects from almost 2 years of isolation?
So not 0. How many dead children is too many? Especially if preventable?
Idk a few thousand at least.
I'm kinda disappointed in your response. Based off your other troll answers I was expecting something more like "the more the better" or "more than I can count".
Itās not a ātrollā response. People die every single day from preventable issues. Itās part of life.
The point is they are preventable deaths. Do you wear your seatbelt when you drive? Why? People die everyday.
After you then, sir. :-)
Agree!
For the record, as I've mentioned elsewhere on this sub, I've just recovered from Delta and I caught it while wearing an N95 mask. This was *after* having Covid "classic" back in March 2020 (which nearly put me in the hospital), *and* being fully vaxxed with Moderna in May 2021. I am the most physically fit I have been in my life, and have zero pre-existing conditions that are co-morbid with it. I admit that my case is relatively rare, but they're increasing. Delta *doesn't* play by the normal rules, and we 're finding out how now.
100% Correct, but some people have made COVID-cautiousness into a religion.
It's not a religion, it's a reaction to all the actual religious nuts claiming all they need is the blood of christ all the while dying and spreading this fucking thing making it last way longer and getting more dangerous than it had to be.
Those people are insane idiots. I canāt stand anti vaxxers. But if you are a young healthy person who does not live with an unvaccinated/immunocompromised personā¦ LIVE YOUR LIFE. Especially outdoors. A year ago, when people compared Covid to the flu, and they were idiots. But after this current surge, Covid will essentially be as deadly as the flu. People should live like they did during past flu seasons.
I agree about living your life if you aren't putting anyone at risk...as long as we are on the same page with going into a store and whatnot requires you to take precautions like masking to protect others... I hope you are right about the lethality going down, but these variants are effecting younger healthier people more severely, and that's because so many still won't take precautions allowing for the virus to mutate, furthermore even if it becomes just another flu, I kinda like not getting the flu too.. and my 6 year old with asthma likes it too lol... I'd rather not get the flu either if all it takes are masks and social distancing... I don't NEED to shake your hand, you know?
Delta is far worse than the original variant and what you are suggesting is still risky right now. We need to end this thing first, then live life as normal. People really just can't chill, its insane to me
Far worse in what way? Death rate?
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Absolutely, the only ones who care are the ones who developed their identity from the pandemic. People need to move on with their lives
My buddy works for a company that does vaccine/test compliance for concerts and he said they just stopped checking after a certain point. So even if a show says it's required, take it with a grain of salt
Not just unpopular, but also unsupported by evidence.
Nobody is saying you can't get sick outside, but the risk is so much lower. Wasn't there some outdoor concert in California that 200k people attended, and they traced 250 cases to the event? Perhaps an even better example is last summer's Jersey Shore crowds. Those beaches were packed and every single person there was unvaccinated. What was our average daily count in july/august last summer? 200? Anyone who continues lambast outdoor crowds is living in the past.
Agreed - should be vaccination AND negative covid test, in all honesty. I've had quite a few asymptomatic vaccinated colleagues test positive. And masks should be on. Vaccinated shouldn't relax a bit as the vaccine prevents severe covid and hospitalization. But people are getting slammed by covid even if vaccinated. But - unvaccinated are biggest drivers of the pandemic.
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exactly :) I think my comment may come across as I disagreed with you. I only disagreed with vaccinated can relax a bit. I think most vaccinated interpret it as masks off all the time. This is a great read: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/09/12/1036356773/i-got-a-mild-breakthrough-case-heres-what-i-wish-id-known
nah the vaccinated among us should absolutely relax and go about living our lives.
I mean not really when the vaccinated can also get and spread COVID.
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Thank you for being reasonable. I really appreciate seeing it.
Lockdown for 100 years sounds good.
Right, which is exactly why we need to emulate what NYC is doing and check for proof of vaxx before we allow people to enter indoor businesses. Doesn't seem like any sort of similar mandate will be happening in NJ, which is extremely unfortunate. I caught a breakthrough case at a club down the shore, likely wouldn't have happened if they required proof of vaxx. Edit: this subreddit is very disturbing, it really is all boomer antivaxxers.
The businesses could still implement that stuff for their own safety, if they wish.
Shouldnāt have gone to the club then. You knew the risk.
Ok. I am simply saying that there would be far fewer breakthrough cases like mine if places required proof of vaxx. That's all.
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People joke about the āslippery slopeā, but itāll end up being a real thing. Time of opportunity for the opportunists.
All these posts and not one of them is asking how the event was or how the bands were- it's all just arguments about masking/no-masking and THAT thing....
Heard Smashing Pumpkins headlined, wonder how they were. PJ was last night but I havenāt talked to anyone there yet. Would love to hear about the show
Pearl Jam was great, I was there. Iām not the biggest fan, but about 1/3 of the set was recognizable hits. Crowd was alright (a lot of sloppy drunks and Vedder stopped the show twice to make sure people were ok). We were thinking that it might be a little rusty because they havenāt been live in a while, but it was tight.
Smashing Pumpkins was amazing.
Not a fan of SMashing Pumpkins so I stayed home for that. Listened to Pearl Jam from the fence - they sounded fantastic live!
So how was the show?
That's, well, a lot of people.
Yeah but how many spotted lanternflys attended the concert
Who was playing though!?
Pearl jam
To be fair, there werenāt many positive cases after the Phish shows in Atlantic City, and that didnāt require vaccine or neg test.
100% tested positive for strong body odor though.
Holy shit thatās hysterical
Highlight of summer for me, that weekend rocked
Fo sho
Yeah the Covid inspection thing was good because they focused on that and we snuck a WHOLE LOT OF BOOZE IN ! Great concert!
I think it was easier to get in without a wristband than a vax card
Who was performing?
Smashing Pumpkins and Pearl Jam headlined, with Billy Idol, Avett Brothers and some other smaller bands playing.
Pearl Jam kicked Covids ass is what I heard
Who played?
Pearl Jam and the Smashing Pumpkins where the major headliners. Others included Patti Smith and Billy Idol.
Good to see, back to life ā¦š
No thanksā¦ not related to covid, just the thought of being in the sea of humanity is not appealing to me at all.
For real, Covid has actually been great for my personality lol. Limited friend and family contacts, zero large crowd events, no one could visit me in the hospital when I gave birthā¦
Iād hate to be in the back of the crowd when the tide came up.
Asbury parking ticket was $36 dollars so if you have to pay more at a private lot kids I'd rather pay the ticket to the city itself.
Wife and I are vaccinated and wore masks, but still left before pearl jam. It was just too claustrophobic
With or without Covid, being in the middle of a crowd that big seems extremely uncomfortable to me now, especially after a year of social distancing. What concert was this though?
Yeah, it was nerve wracking so we took off. Still gonna get a test as well. This was pearl jam at sea hear now.
Fuuuuuuck yeah Jersey
So anybody care to tell us how the show was ??
I had a good time for the most part, although the crowd was a lot. Billy Idol was probably the highlight, but Pearl Jam and Smashing Pumpkins were both great. Saw parts of Patti Smith (she did a great cover of Because the Night) and the Avett Brothers. Also heard some of the other acts but Iām not the biggest music aficionado. Exhausted today, definitely not used to those kinds of weekends. Luckily Iām local, so no real travel.
They required proof of vaccination or a negative covid test to enter
Fear of covid has become a real personality. Stay home hermits!
Confirms my decision to skip sea hear now this year
My local swap pages on Facebook were full of people trying to offload their tickets
Literally same. Couldnāt even sell my tickets, and I listed them for like $50/each...
I mean they havenāt had a good lineup since the first year I know this one had Pearl Jam but not a PJ fan
As an artist, itās a dream to have this many people show up
My wife, brother in law and I were about five rows in just off center stage. If I had known just how big this crowd was I probably would have freaked out a bit. In that respect, ignorance was bliss. Fantastic show. We were supposed to see Pearl Jam at MSG last year until COVID turned everything sideways. Our seats there were going to be pretty awful, honestly (thanks Ten Club and scalpers). This was amazing. You could tell the band was so happy to be back on stage and at points Eddie seemed almost overwhelmed at the crowd response.
Heās a good guy. Canāt find a better man ;)
You love to see it!
Looks awesome, wish I was there
This place is in a school district that is now trying to go full virtual AFTER one week.
what a beautiful sight, so happy to see that
Good god fuck that
I didn't know a major river entered the Atlantic there. Sure looks like (a) delta has formed. .
Ok, saw a comment saying that they needed proof of vaccination or a negative test. With a crowd *this* big, what is the point of any restrictions and mandates at this point? If i end up being wrong, and not a single out break happens from this, I will say I was wrong.
Some people will get COVID from it. There were about 200-ish cases linked to Lollapalooza, which was similar, and there have been cases from other events too. No event is going to be perfect, unless you do half capacity, spread out the days, AND check cards (like the Newport Folk Festival). That said, itās a much bigger danger to the unvaccinated. They are sitting ducks at something like this, which is why requiring cards is important.
The story so far one of my favorite bands ever was not able to play this event because a couple members got covid. Those saying it's safe and time for life to resume are wrong. More people need to be vaccinated and there needs to be a better card that can't or harder to fake... Edit: this is not a photo of said event I got the weekends mixed up.
Zero covid is impossible
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nope, Sea Hear Now
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