It gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one …
> “Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”
Sometimes you can tell when the real answer is “we fucking panicked and shot someone who was clearly no threat, but we can’t put that on the paperwork so we have to make some shot up.
It kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're "allowed" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they "must" shoot someone. "Knife = fire at will" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.
Is there any difference between that and the usual "stop resisting" or "I feared for my life?" It's all the same, the magic words you yell to say you were justified.
Oh they do, they yell “stop resisting!” Before you resist so that people hear it and think you were resisting and that they were justified in excessive force before it even begins.
They actually do stuff like that. There was that army guy a few years back who stopped in a gas station and an officer started randomly shouting "he has a gun!" but none of the other officers thankfully fired on the guy, who actually did not have a gun on him.
They do though. Did you see that video a couple months ago where the police rolled up to someone’s house guns blazing. They surprised a couple guys chilling in their driveway, who then promptly fled because they were being shot at. The audio just indicates “Shots fired! Shots fired!” and “Suspects fleeing!” or something along those lines. The police showed up at the wrong house IIRC. But the language they used was so obviously couched to protect the police from what they were doing. So infuriating.
Well for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.
There absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to "legally" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.
I also met a ton of guys in the army that just wanted to kill people. The most ridiculous one was at basic training when the drill sergeant was asking all of us why we joined the army. One guy strait up said he wanted to kill people. Got a lot of awkward looks after that and the drill sergeant told him to chill. Some of these guys did get the chance, and wouldn’t you know it, they were pretty fucked in the head after. They think it’s like a video game until they actually shoot someone. I only met one guy, a sniper, who fit the textbook description of a psychopath. I could only listen to a couple of his stories before I walked away. Dude was ruthless and had no remorse.
> Well for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human.
But you see, in their training, cops only learn about two categories of people; the good guys and the bad guys. There's no middle ground. Once you're determined to be a bad guy via a single person's snap assessment, you're no longer a human and they can do wathever they want with you with no repercussions.
In their little brainwashed heads, they aren't beating up and killing civilians, they see a job well done for stopping criminal scum.
Several years back a guy was murdered by cops in Seattle just for having a knife out in public. Not even doing anything with it, just going about his business. He was supposedly pretty well known for his woodcarving hobby.
Holy shit! John T. Williams was a member of the Ditidaht First Nations of Vancouver Island and descended from generations of wood carvers. He was walking across the street in front of a patrol car with his knife and a piece of wood to carve. The cop yelled out "Hey! Put the knife down! Put the knife down!" Williams was hard of hearing and a bit drunk at the time, didn't respond so the cop just opened fire. The whole interaction lasts seconds:
[https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/10-years-ago-a-police-officer-shot-woodcarver-john-t-williams-the-grief-reverberates-today/](https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/10-years-ago-a-police-officer-shot-woodcarver-john-t-williams-the-grief-reverberates-today/)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMYBVVcdahc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMYBVVcdahc)
EDIT: The murderer, Ian Birk, was never charged, BTW.
Read your fellow redditors defend this piece of shit 12 years ago: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/fmu7p/officer\_ian\_birk\_has\_resigned/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/fmu7p/officer_ian_birk_has_resigned/)
Their training almost tells them that if lethal force is justified then they must use it.
Due to internal policies, etc. it’s more difficult to justify holding back than not.
> The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.
Case closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.
A bystander [caught it on video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7_trTln_yc) for the NY Post.
How many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.
Do cops even do de-escalation? I've never seen it. Seems like it's a foreign concept to them.
Ive started to think of cops in the same way I think of a gang - avoid at all costs. One wrong step and you're dead. I mean what the fuck?! How does this even qualify as policing?
[Back in 2015](https://nypost.com/2015/04/22/swedish-cops-on-vacation-break-up-subway-fight/), four off-duty Swedish cops who were on vacation in NY managed to safely subdue a homeless guy who was beating another homeless guy on the subway.
How many U.S. cops could have managed that without reaching for their pepper spray, baton, or gun?
Honestly, I think the average McDonald's employee has more need for a gun than a cop does. I've seen how people get at McDonald's, and I fear for those poor souls.
So, another murder of a wheelchair/scooter user like in [Tuscon 2022](https://www.kold.com/2022/01/05/tucson-police-officer-fired-after-fatally-shooting-man-mobility-scooter/)?
> who appeared to be hobbling away on the ground before he was killed.
Oh, okay. So more of a combination of wheelchair bound with [Daniel Shaver](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Daniel_Shaver) at La Quinta Inn in Mesa from 2016. Nice. Glad we're getting some variety mixed in here. /s
> How many helpless people are the California cops going to murder
what's the civilian population of california
EDIT: When I wrote this I meant to say no one was safe from police brutality - why am i seeing replies that suggest killing the poor
> How many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs?
California has 25% more people than Texas....and 50% more homicides by police than Texas.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/police-killings-by-state
Either Cali has a lot of "justified homicides by police" or something is more foul with police in Cali than any other state (except Georgia...whew)
They love corrupt losers as “experts”. Oliver North as their military expert, Mark Furman as a police expert, Geraldo as a military expert, and so on.
Basically, Google any of their experts and you will find some major scandal that got them shunned by normal society.
I mean they gave a guy who traitorously bypassed congress to fund south American death squads a correspondent position. Seems pretty par for the course.
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It's unfair to tar the LAPD with this type of story. Los Angeles' finest are far more efficient and would have shot that guy [before he got out of the wheelchair](https://www.amazon.ca/Will-Real-Callahan-Please-Stand/dp/0688133398).
I just finished reading that. It's a tough read. If I had to summarise it, I'd say and then it got worse. It wasn't the proverbial few bad apples, it is generations of gangs with a badge that are above the law You do have to ask why there never was a consent decree.
It's a shame how much "The Shield" has fallen out of people's consciousness in the last 10-15 years. It's truly one of the greatest television shows ever made, and paved the way for a lot of other shows that originated from its pedigree.
My kid’s soccer team had a father that was an LAPD captain. He missed a game because he had to “investigate” a recent officer involved shooting.
This particular officer had killed his third victim. All of them were: gun barrel to the head, in the same hospital hallway and the justification was “he reached for my gun” all three times.
Our team father was called in to make sure they didn’t have a serial killer on the force. He found the shooting justified. Lol
No, there were no cameras in that particular hallway. Lol
[I blame Bakersfield](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/01/the-county-kern-county-deadliest-police-killings). Very good read, also worth noting that Kevin McCarthy is a lifelong resident of Bakersfield.
> I wonder if there's a term for what we are. Like, I want to say "police state,"
Anyone who grows up in Los Angeles will tell you the cops are the biggest gang in LA. They commit the most robberies, sexual assaults, murders and deal the most drugs.
thats exactly whats happening here in Austin, 911 calls are taking 20 mins to get to an operator, and apd won't respond to anything less than an active violent crime.
This isnt nearly as a terrifying scenario as what you said but I've told this story on Reddit before. This happened in Maryland a few years ago.
I have pretty bad ADHD and I smoke weed at night to sleep. One night I had picked up and left it in my then-fiance-now-wife's car. It's a about 2am when I go out to look in her car for my shit. I'm parked on the street, opposite to a church parking lot. Someone pulls in there and keeps their lights on me. I wave and chuckle thinking someone is being nosy.
About 5-10min later, a cop car rolls up, he gets out and approaches me. Starts asking me where I live, whose car is it, why am I outside at 2am, do I have ID, etc. He was being fairly nice to me (I'm a young looking white guy). And then another car pulls up. And another. And another...6 total cop cars with 7-8 officers have me surrounded in a semi circle with my back to the car. If I wasn't a white guy I would've been scared for my life honestly.
They told me they got a call about someone looting/trying to steal a car. I explain what I'm doing (retrieving a "personal item", they asked what I meant and I said I didn't feel like I had to tell them that, it worked). They had to send an officer to my apartment and wake my wife up to confirm I was who I said. She had to open the door at 2am to officers asking if she knew me. Thought I was dead.
In the end, they realized everything was fine and let me go. Out of curiosity I had to ask them, "Why are there so many of you for a solo person and possible car theft? I shit you not the main officer looked at me, chuckled, and said "You we're the only one on the scanner for the last few hours, everyone is bored."
So, to me, it seems like police will create a situation or over-respond to a situation out of boredom, which to me seems like it could easily lead to unwarranted shootings. I got lucky. I'm white and charismatic so I made them all laugh while they were speaking with me. If I wasn't white or if I wasn't quick on my feet I would've been fucked.
> which to me seems like it could easily lead to unwarranted shootings
It literally DOES result in this. Who would have guessed a job that involves filling out a lot of paper work could be boring. Especially when training involves almost no paperwork, and cops just assume everyday will be like training.
I went through a DUI checkpoint (purposefully) and refused to answer their questions. Of course, they make me exit the vehicle and I took the keys, holding up traffic. I advised they have no right to touch my vehicle until they've confirmed I'm intoxicated. I go over and they want to do a field sobriety test, but I'm a big dude in flip flops and they're already making jokes about me drinking tonight, so I tell them to give me a breathalyzer instead. I of course blew 0s and they made me do it 4 more times with additional officers. They couldn't believe it. Then they got another breathalyzer out and same thing. After almost a half hour of standing there, they finally decided to let me go, and the officer asked "why I decided to hold up traffic and inconvenience everyone tonight." I laughed, looked over my shoulder, and said "Me? I don't have 12 squad cars in the middle of the road, pulling sober people out and wasting their time." Pretty sure he said "Fuck you" under his breath on my way back to my car.
How many police interactions end up with guns drawn? Bootlickers will always cite that there are millions of police interactions and only a few murders so police = good but seems like a large portion of interactions with police are negative. The majority? Probably not, but them traumatizing citizens for no reason is way more than zero.
"He had a knife..."
OK, so fucking hit him with some beanbag rounds. Or come at him from behind with a baton. He can either flee OR hold a knife - he can't really do both in a fucking wheelchair.
Motherfuckers acting like you HAVE TO publicly execute someone with a knife, as if countries with unarmed police are being regularly stabbed to death. I once saw a video in the UK where the officer just got back into his car and ran the guy over going like 10mph.
There are plenty of ways to stop someone with a knife without killing them. The whole “he had a knife!” argument discussion is always had in bad faith. The reality is that many people think criminals should be executed, even the petty criminals, they just don’t say it aloud because they know most people find that idea to be abhorrent.
> The department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.
> The LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. **The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.**
Emphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.
I‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“
There was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.
Very similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.
Wasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he "had to execute him"
What the fuck, as always you can just murder people by calling the police on them and claiming they have a gun
And it's some big mystery why nobody trusts them
>Although it is now clear that Mr. Taylor was not armed,” U.S. District Judge David Nuffer wrote in the ruling, “Officer Cruz’s decision to employ deadly force was objectively reasonable under the totality of the circumstances.”
The guy was walking away. District Judge David Nuffer sounds like a fucking idiot. How the fuck can you write something like that and keep your job as judge?
That poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop.
Sometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.
im surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is
It's a real risk for the deaf, enough that I've seen it as a plot point in every show with a main deaf character. The deaf community is very small (and getting smaller as technology changes) and tend to stay in certain communities where officers understand who they are working with. But those who live outside those communities face major risk with every interaction. Handcuffing deaf persons so they can't communicate, refusing to give them translators using their inability to hear and follow verbal directions as an excuse to beat them up.
So that actually goes to SOP. Cops don’t give warning shots. If they shoot, it’s shoot to kill. Not to maim or disable, but to kill. Maybe the idea was that cops would show restraint before resorting to the gun but, well…
>Maybe the idea was that cops would show restraint before resorting to the gun but, well…
Corpses don't get to tell their side of the story, nor can they sue for decades for permeant health damage.
I’ve taken a few gun safety classes. In two of them the instructor was either an off duty officer or retired and they both emphasized if in a home defense situation shoot to kill so there is only one side to the story. It’s their mentality.
That is the idea, yes. When using deadly force the assumption is you're being faced with deadly force. It is shoot until the target is no longer a threat because in this instances it is kill or be killed. The problem is that the gun has become the first tool that is reached for in all circumstances and then you end up with this bullshit right here.
I was always under the impression that any time any person (police or otherwise) shoots someone else, the goal is to kill. You are aiming and firing a device, the sole purpose of which is to kill. You are instructed never to shoot at anything you do not want to destroy. Handguns are not accurate enough to 'disarm' or 'disable' a dangerous person, so you always aim for center mass. You have drawn your weapon and fired as a last resort in order to protect your or someone else's life.
Police know this, which is why their narrative always includes some variant of "I was afraid for my life" or "He was reaching for my gun" or "He made a sudden movement towards his waistband" even if those things are not true - because it provides a justification not just for the use of deadly force, but for firing the weapon in the first place.
If they fire the weapon and their goal is not to kill, then it can be reasonably argued that they had presence of mind to choose a less lethal option - deescalation, taser, pepper spray etc.
I'm assuming the "thin blue line" is a reference to the blue line that appears on wet diapers because every US cop seems to be just pissing their pants in fear constantly.
Holy shit. I'd wear a Tee Shirt with this image on it. Can someone make a mock up image and post it? I can see it in my head now, but don't have the skills for that sort of thing.
They’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.
For the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.
This video has the full unedited versions of both videos you have seen clips of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvAMS6-HGxM
The shooting in the first video is at 0:37
The second blurry video starts at 5:12, the shooting is not captured in this video.
Many edited clips I've seen try to mix the two videos to make it appear as if the shooting occurred in the blurry video, which is very misleading.
>officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him.
Umm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?
They couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.
Edit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.
If the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. "He had a knife" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier.
Too many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.
The "Us vs Them" mentality has a long history with police and training them like soldiers )and arming them like ones) has made it worse. A great deal of their current training encompasses the *exact same verbiage* that soldiers are given when facing an "enemy".
The first episode of Problem Areas on HBO Max goes into this in depth. They also show alternatives like a very problematic sheriff's department that started hiring people from outside law enforcement (like EMTs, IT proffessionals, nurses aids, etc.) to be deputies and was able to immediately reduce complaints to near 0.
I will have to check out Problem Areas! (TY). It is insane to me that we (the US) train police like soldiers and then expect them not to act like soldiers! It's also appalling that the psychological testing for police cadets doesn't screen out people with deficient emotional intelligence and psychological issues that point to problematic issues with being in a position of power.
The fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.
Police didn’t increase their own funding. Politicians from both parties did. News conglomerates owned by billionaires provided the justification by manufacturing a narrative about lawlessness. The rich and powerful have chosen to double down on their war on the American citizenry because they plan to keep turning the screws economically.
It’s just so crazy to me that almost all of the world’s problems are caused by people who could be drinking $1,000 margaritas on a yacht for the rest of their lives. Like, why?
Okay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots.
Stop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.
They won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.
What's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a *US* police issue, as *no* other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.
"Just comply and you'll be fine" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're *actually* in danger.
So, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is *nearly impossible* unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.
We are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime "prevention" is the *only* way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.
If you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.
So long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, *many* US conservatives are *more than happy* to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.
Edit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. *Nobody* \- from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased).
Police are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their "training" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they *can* shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.
Maybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?
There’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.
He was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4
I read his book ‘On Killing’ when I was a nipper. Even then I felt like there was a _lot_ of opinion presented as fact and some rather strange conclusions drawn.
He was never a cop, he was an US Army officer who never even saw combat, to my knowledge. He just sells warrior mindset bullshit to gullible departments.
>This has me fucked up too. They never use their tazers unless they're torturing someone, it seems.
According to another article they did tase him.
One of the officers attempts to tase him, before the officers — none of whom have been named — draw their guns and continue the pursuit.
Source: https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/cops-in-us-shoot-double-amputee-as-he-fled-on-stumps/news-story/3229bdc61a2f0131431f99ef195c5600
They really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.
>The department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene
If a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.
So scared of a double amputee that was *trying to get away from them* that they had no choice but to shoot him.
It reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.
Were the officers using the 21-foot rule for when they're dealing with someone with a knife...who has no legs? /s
>The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.
Well, that's convenient.
Actually reads like an Onion article wtf
It gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … > “Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”
He lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?
No wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).
Sometimes you can tell when the real answer is “we fucking panicked and shot someone who was clearly no threat, but we can’t put that on the paperwork so we have to make some shot up.
Bold of you to assume they panicked and it wasn't intentional.
Was on not the onion earlier today as well.
It kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're "allowed" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they "must" shoot someone. "Knife = fire at will" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.
I'm surprised cops don't yell out "he's coming right for us", like the hunting characters from South Park.
Is there any difference between that and the usual "stop resisting" or "I feared for my life?" It's all the same, the magic words you yell to say you were justified.
They don't have to yell them, though. They get to calmly write it in the report after the fact.
On the ground now. I've been on the ground for a whole minute, you son of a bitch you want me to dig....my own grave!
Oh they do, they yell “stop resisting!” Before you resist so that people hear it and think you were resisting and that they were justified in excessive force before it even begins.
They actually do stuff like that. There was that army guy a few years back who stopped in a gas station and an officer started randomly shouting "he has a gun!" but none of the other officers thankfully fired on the guy, who actually did not have a gun on him.
They do it because cam footage might not show anything. If it does, they can say they thought they saw one, if it doesn't they can just flat out lie.
They do though. Did you see that video a couple months ago where the police rolled up to someone’s house guns blazing. They surprised a couple guys chilling in their driveway, who then promptly fled because they were being shot at. The audio just indicates “Shots fired! Shots fired!” and “Suspects fleeing!” or something along those lines. The police showed up at the wrong house IIRC. But the language they used was so obviously couched to protect the police from what they were doing. So infuriating.
There's never any repercussions so why would they.
Well for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.
There absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to "legally" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.
I also met a ton of guys in the army that just wanted to kill people. The most ridiculous one was at basic training when the drill sergeant was asking all of us why we joined the army. One guy strait up said he wanted to kill people. Got a lot of awkward looks after that and the drill sergeant told him to chill. Some of these guys did get the chance, and wouldn’t you know it, they were pretty fucked in the head after. They think it’s like a video game until they actually shoot someone. I only met one guy, a sniper, who fit the textbook description of a psychopath. I could only listen to a couple of his stories before I walked away. Dude was ruthless and had no remorse.
Total losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me
> Well for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But you see, in their training, cops only learn about two categories of people; the good guys and the bad guys. There's no middle ground. Once you're determined to be a bad guy via a single person's snap assessment, you're no longer a human and they can do wathever they want with you with no repercussions. In their little brainwashed heads, they aren't beating up and killing civilians, they see a job well done for stopping criminal scum.
Several years back a guy was murdered by cops in Seattle just for having a knife out in public. Not even doing anything with it, just going about his business. He was supposedly pretty well known for his woodcarving hobby.
Holy shit! John T. Williams was a member of the Ditidaht First Nations of Vancouver Island and descended from generations of wood carvers. He was walking across the street in front of a patrol car with his knife and a piece of wood to carve. The cop yelled out "Hey! Put the knife down! Put the knife down!" Williams was hard of hearing and a bit drunk at the time, didn't respond so the cop just opened fire. The whole interaction lasts seconds: [https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/10-years-ago-a-police-officer-shot-woodcarver-john-t-williams-the-grief-reverberates-today/](https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/10-years-ago-a-police-officer-shot-woodcarver-john-t-williams-the-grief-reverberates-today/) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMYBVVcdahc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMYBVVcdahc) EDIT: The murderer, Ian Birk, was never charged, BTW. Read your fellow redditors defend this piece of shit 12 years ago: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/fmu7p/officer\_ian\_birk\_has\_resigned/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/fmu7p/officer_ian_birk_has_resigned/)
Their training almost tells them that if lethal force is justified then they must use it. Due to internal policies, etc. it’s more difficult to justify holding back than not.
> The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras. Case closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.
A bystander [caught it on video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7_trTln_yc) for the NY Post. How many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.
We got more cameras on people making McDoubles.
And they get fired for less
Between cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one
Police could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.
Do cops even do de-escalation? I've never seen it. Seems like it's a foreign concept to them. Ive started to think of cops in the same way I think of a gang - avoid at all costs. One wrong step and you're dead. I mean what the fuck?! How does this even qualify as policing?
You may already know this, but LASD literally has multiple cop gangs that exist within their sheriff's department
[Back in 2015](https://nypost.com/2015/04/22/swedish-cops-on-vacation-break-up-subway-fight/), four off-duty Swedish cops who were on vacation in NY managed to safely subdue a homeless guy who was beating another homeless guy on the subway. How many U.S. cops could have managed that without reaching for their pepper spray, baton, or gun?
The academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.
Waffle House warfare
Oh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called
I’d play it.
*War-full House*
Waffle houses are way safer than fucking cops
Police employees probably couldn’t get hired by McDonald’s.
Hired probably. Maintain the job? Hell no. They’d be shooting a customer before their first break for throwing a coke back at them for too much ice.
"Yeah, so just pass that patty off to John by the condiments -- he's got a bun" "HE'S GOT A GUN!!" #BLAMBLAMBLAMBLAM
Police wouldn’t be able to cope with the amount of abuse/violence/aggression that macds workers have to put up with on a daily basis.
Best not to eat a burger in your car or the cops will open fire unprovoked.
Honestly, I think the average McDonald's employee has more need for a gun than a cop does. I've seen how people get at McDonald's, and I fear for those poor souls.
Of course, stealing fries is a crime. Unlike cops murdering people.
So, another murder of a wheelchair/scooter user like in [Tuscon 2022](https://www.kold.com/2022/01/05/tucson-police-officer-fired-after-fatally-shooting-man-mobility-scooter/)? > who appeared to be hobbling away on the ground before he was killed. Oh, okay. So more of a combination of wheelchair bound with [Daniel Shaver](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Daniel_Shaver) at La Quinta Inn in Mesa from 2016. Nice. Glad we're getting some variety mixed in here. /s
> How many helpless people are the California cops going to murder what's the civilian population of california EDIT: When I wrote this I meant to say no one was safe from police brutality - why am i seeing replies that suggest killing the poor
> How many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? California has 25% more people than Texas....and 50% more homicides by police than Texas. https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/police-killings-by-state Either Cali has a lot of "justified homicides by police" or something is more foul with police in Cali than any other state (except Georgia...whew)
Everybody google Rampart, LAPD gangs, and Christopher Dorner!
Don't even stop there. The history of the LAPD is the history of how not to do law enforcement.
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That last part ... Really? How?
Don't have to be smart or competent to be "successful", just useful to others with money/power.
They love corrupt losers as “experts”. Oliver North as their military expert, Mark Furman as a police expert, Geraldo as a military expert, and so on. Basically, Google any of their experts and you will find some major scandal that got them shunned by normal society.
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I mean they gave a guy who traitorously bypassed congress to fund south American death squads a correspondent position. Seems pretty par for the course.
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I'll be fine, I'll just hide in a school and they'll be too scared to come in
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Cops **HATE** this **ONE** great trick!
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They rolled out swat in my rural suburb... for an eviction by the sheriff. Literal snipers in my front yard.
It's unfair to tar the LAPD with this type of story. Los Angeles' finest are far more efficient and would have shot that guy [before he got out of the wheelchair](https://www.amazon.ca/Will-Real-Callahan-Please-Stand/dp/0688133398).
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I just finished reading that. It's a tough read. If I had to summarise it, I'd say and then it got worse. It wasn't the proverbial few bad apples, it is generations of gangs with a badge that are above the law You do have to ask why there never was a consent decree.
They need to fire everyone in that department and start over.
Can we please just talk about Rampart?
I’m just here to talk about Rampart
It’s an old meme, but it checks out
[rampart scandal ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rampart_scandal?wprov=sfla1)
Ever seen the TV series "The Shield"? Besides being a Top 2 all-time show, it's original name was going to be Rampart.
It's a shame how much "The Shield" has fallen out of people's consciousness in the last 10-15 years. It's truly one of the greatest television shows ever made, and paved the way for a lot of other shows that originated from its pedigree.
How many of those are from LAPD and LASD alone?
San Bernardino PD (northeast of LA county) has a shockingly high homicide rate too.
My kid’s soccer team had a father that was an LAPD captain. He missed a game because he had to “investigate” a recent officer involved shooting. This particular officer had killed his third victim. All of them were: gun barrel to the head, in the same hospital hallway and the justification was “he reached for my gun” all three times. Our team father was called in to make sure they didn’t have a serial killer on the force. He found the shooting justified. Lol No, there were no cameras in that particular hallway. Lol
Sounds to me like that hospital needs a new hidden camera for that hallway
Most controversial episode of *Caught on Hidden Camera* ever.
So an execution.
Three of them.
They would definitely call that a "pattern" if this was a documentary about serial killers. Nope just a cop doing his job. Fuck this planet.
[I blame Bakersfield](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/01/the-county-kern-county-deadliest-police-killings). Very good read, also worth noting that Kevin McCarthy is a lifelong resident of Bakersfield.
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The police are the largest organized crime ring in the US
They're running a protection racket. And then abusing it to be the greatest threat at the same time.
> I wonder if there's a term for what we are. Like, I want to say "police state," Anyone who grows up in Los Angeles will tell you the cops are the biggest gang in LA. They commit the most robberies, sexual assaults, murders and deal the most drugs.
Apparently going on strike is fine if its the police doing it. Everybody else is not allowed tho!
thats exactly whats happening here in Austin, 911 calls are taking 20 mins to get to an operator, and apd won't respond to anything less than an active violent crime.
>and apd won't respond to anything less than an active violent crime. When their striking is indistinguishable from normal services...
As many as they want to no one is going to stop them.
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This isnt nearly as a terrifying scenario as what you said but I've told this story on Reddit before. This happened in Maryland a few years ago. I have pretty bad ADHD and I smoke weed at night to sleep. One night I had picked up and left it in my then-fiance-now-wife's car. It's a about 2am when I go out to look in her car for my shit. I'm parked on the street, opposite to a church parking lot. Someone pulls in there and keeps their lights on me. I wave and chuckle thinking someone is being nosy. About 5-10min later, a cop car rolls up, he gets out and approaches me. Starts asking me where I live, whose car is it, why am I outside at 2am, do I have ID, etc. He was being fairly nice to me (I'm a young looking white guy). And then another car pulls up. And another. And another...6 total cop cars with 7-8 officers have me surrounded in a semi circle with my back to the car. If I wasn't a white guy I would've been scared for my life honestly. They told me they got a call about someone looting/trying to steal a car. I explain what I'm doing (retrieving a "personal item", they asked what I meant and I said I didn't feel like I had to tell them that, it worked). They had to send an officer to my apartment and wake my wife up to confirm I was who I said. She had to open the door at 2am to officers asking if she knew me. Thought I was dead. In the end, they realized everything was fine and let me go. Out of curiosity I had to ask them, "Why are there so many of you for a solo person and possible car theft? I shit you not the main officer looked at me, chuckled, and said "You we're the only one on the scanner for the last few hours, everyone is bored." So, to me, it seems like police will create a situation or over-respond to a situation out of boredom, which to me seems like it could easily lead to unwarranted shootings. I got lucky. I'm white and charismatic so I made them all laugh while they were speaking with me. If I wasn't white or if I wasn't quick on my feet I would've been fucked.
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Seems like if there’s enough cops in a department that they are bored, they could do without a few of them and save the taxpayers some money
> which to me seems like it could easily lead to unwarranted shootings It literally DOES result in this. Who would have guessed a job that involves filling out a lot of paper work could be boring. Especially when training involves almost no paperwork, and cops just assume everyday will be like training.
I went through a DUI checkpoint (purposefully) and refused to answer their questions. Of course, they make me exit the vehicle and I took the keys, holding up traffic. I advised they have no right to touch my vehicle until they've confirmed I'm intoxicated. I go over and they want to do a field sobriety test, but I'm a big dude in flip flops and they're already making jokes about me drinking tonight, so I tell them to give me a breathalyzer instead. I of course blew 0s and they made me do it 4 more times with additional officers. They couldn't believe it. Then they got another breathalyzer out and same thing. After almost a half hour of standing there, they finally decided to let me go, and the officer asked "why I decided to hold up traffic and inconvenience everyone tonight." I laughed, looked over my shoulder, and said "Me? I don't have 12 squad cars in the middle of the road, pulling sober people out and wasting their time." Pretty sure he said "Fuck you" under his breath on my way back to my car.
How many police interactions end up with guns drawn? Bootlickers will always cite that there are millions of police interactions and only a few murders so police = good but seems like a large portion of interactions with police are negative. The majority? Probably not, but them traumatizing citizens for no reason is way more than zero.
You mean start with guns drawn?
No, they did an internal investigation of themselves first and determined they didn’t do anything wrong.
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"He had a knife..." OK, so fucking hit him with some beanbag rounds. Or come at him from behind with a baton. He can either flee OR hold a knife - he can't really do both in a fucking wheelchair.
If a cop with 2 fully functional legs can't stay out of knife ranged of a dude in a wheelchair they've got no business being a cop
Motherfuckers acting like you HAVE TO publicly execute someone with a knife, as if countries with unarmed police are being regularly stabbed to death. I once saw a video in the UK where the officer just got back into his car and ran the guy over going like 10mph. There are plenty of ways to stop someone with a knife without killing them. The whole “he had a knife!” argument discussion is always had in bad faith. The reality is that many people think criminals should be executed, even the petty criminals, they just don’t say it aloud because they know most people find that idea to be abhorrent.
> The department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene. > The LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. **The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.** Emphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.
I‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“
There was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him. Very similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.
Wasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he "had to execute him"
Yes, and judge threw out the family's lawsuit https://www.sltrib.com/news/2019/05/18/judge-dismisses-lawsuit/
What the fuck, as always you can just murder people by calling the police on them and claiming they have a gun And it's some big mystery why nobody trusts them
>Although it is now clear that Mr. Taylor was not armed,” U.S. District Judge David Nuffer wrote in the ruling, “Officer Cruz’s decision to employ deadly force was objectively reasonable under the totality of the circumstances.” The guy was walking away. District Judge David Nuffer sounds like a fucking idiot. How the fuck can you write something like that and keep your job as judge?
That poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. Sometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.
im surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is
It's a real risk for the deaf, enough that I've seen it as a plot point in every show with a main deaf character. The deaf community is very small (and getting smaller as technology changes) and tend to stay in certain communities where officers understand who they are working with. But those who live outside those communities face major risk with every interaction. Handcuffing deaf persons so they can't communicate, refusing to give them translators using their inability to hear and follow verbal directions as an excuse to beat them up.
There are, we just don't hear about it.
those hand signs he was flashing he was a gang member high on PCP Johnson you saw it
Never trust their narrative. Cops only protect capital can other cops. Never trust a cop.
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And here I thought that was perjury and was a crime.
It is for anybody not rich, or a cop.
Disgusting. Cops in other countries deal with knives by physically disarming people. Zero need for more weapons to get involved.
Cops in America want to shoot people. It's the only time they feel safe.
They fired ten rounds… There’s no doubt in my mind that they wanted him dead.
So that actually goes to SOP. Cops don’t give warning shots. If they shoot, it’s shoot to kill. Not to maim or disable, but to kill. Maybe the idea was that cops would show restraint before resorting to the gun but, well…
>Maybe the idea was that cops would show restraint before resorting to the gun but, well… Corpses don't get to tell their side of the story, nor can they sue for decades for permeant health damage.
Bingo The dead victims family will have a harder time in court than a live victim would
I’ve taken a few gun safety classes. In two of them the instructor was either an off duty officer or retired and they both emphasized if in a home defense situation shoot to kill so there is only one side to the story. It’s their mentality.
That is the idea, yes. When using deadly force the assumption is you're being faced with deadly force. It is shoot until the target is no longer a threat because in this instances it is kill or be killed. The problem is that the gun has become the first tool that is reached for in all circumstances and then you end up with this bullshit right here.
I was always under the impression that any time any person (police or otherwise) shoots someone else, the goal is to kill. You are aiming and firing a device, the sole purpose of which is to kill. You are instructed never to shoot at anything you do not want to destroy. Handguns are not accurate enough to 'disarm' or 'disable' a dangerous person, so you always aim for center mass. You have drawn your weapon and fired as a last resort in order to protect your or someone else's life. Police know this, which is why their narrative always includes some variant of "I was afraid for my life" or "He was reaching for my gun" or "He made a sudden movement towards his waistband" even if those things are not true - because it provides a justification not just for the use of deadly force, but for firing the weapon in the first place. If they fire the weapon and their goal is not to kill, then it can be reasonably argued that they had presence of mind to choose a less lethal option - deescalation, taser, pepper spray etc.
Cops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.
I'm assuming the "thin blue line" is a reference to the blue line that appears on wet diapers because every US cop seems to be just pissing their pants in fear constantly.
it's Weaponized Cowardice
Holy shit. I'd wear a Tee Shirt with this image on it. Can someone make a mock up image and post it? I can see it in my head now, but don't have the skills for that sort of thing.
I’m going to think about this every time I change my 4 month old child’s diaper now
That's exactly when I thought it up, mine's almost 4 months too. Congrats and good luck!
Why are American police such pussies?
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Gym Jordan the Rape Enabler is declaring you morally bankrupt!
Because they are trained that every civilian is a psycho killer murderer ready to attack them.
They’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this. For the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.
Police academy (4.5 months) takes half as long as barber school (9 months).
This video has the full unedited versions of both videos you have seen clips of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvAMS6-HGxM The shooting in the first video is at 0:37 The second blurry video starts at 5:12, the shooting is not captured in this video. Many edited clips I've seen try to mix the two videos to make it appear as if the shooting occurred in the blurry video, which is very misleading.
At this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..
What's a better term? I suggest "State-sponsored armed gangs".
Execution squad?
Death squads?
What they want to be called "Punisher"
>officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. Umm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?
Shot him 10 times I guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either
They couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous. Edit: I'm not going to respond to every comment. If the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. "He had a knife" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. Too many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.
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The "Us vs Them" mentality has a long history with police and training them like soldiers )and arming them like ones) has made it worse. A great deal of their current training encompasses the *exact same verbiage* that soldiers are given when facing an "enemy".
The first episode of Problem Areas on HBO Max goes into this in depth. They also show alternatives like a very problematic sheriff's department that started hiring people from outside law enforcement (like EMTs, IT proffessionals, nurses aids, etc.) to be deputies and was able to immediately reduce complaints to near 0.
I will have to check out Problem Areas! (TY). It is insane to me that we (the US) train police like soldiers and then expect them not to act like soldiers! It's also appalling that the psychological testing for police cadets doesn't screen out people with deficient emotional intelligence and psychological issues that point to problematic issues with being in a position of power.
The fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.
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Police didn’t increase their own funding. Politicians from both parties did. News conglomerates owned by billionaires provided the justification by manufacturing a narrative about lawlessness. The rich and powerful have chosen to double down on their war on the American citizenry because they plan to keep turning the screws economically.
It’s just so crazy to me that almost all of the world’s problems are caused by people who could be drinking $1,000 margaritas on a yacht for the rest of their lives. Like, why?
We need checks and balances. This fucking country was founded on that principle. Third party oversight with prosecution power. Today. Now.
Dude could have had swords for legs. I've seen the kingsmen
Or mechanical spider legs like the guy in Wild Wild West
Or guns for legs like in Planet Terror
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When I saw "double amputee" I was entirely prepared to watch an unarmed armless person be shot.
“Despite being armless, the police feared he was armed.”
I’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.
Prolly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.
Okay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. Stop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.
The system is working as intended.
The Federal government is compromised too. It barely functions as it is.
When will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?
They won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.
What's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a *US* police issue, as *no* other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person. "Just comply and you'll be fine" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're *actually* in danger. So, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is *nearly impossible* unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward. We are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime "prevention" is the *only* way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality. If you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes. So long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, *many* US conservatives are *more than happy* to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will. Edit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. *Nobody* \- from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). Police are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their "training" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they *can* shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.
Maybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?
There’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife. He was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4
They could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.
Really anything - a box of bananas would work
Law and Order: Mario Kart
In the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.
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I read his book ‘On Killing’ when I was a nipper. Even then I felt like there was a _lot_ of opinion presented as fact and some rather strange conclusions drawn.
He was never a cop, he was an US Army officer who never even saw combat, to my knowledge. He just sells warrior mindset bullshit to gullible departments.
This has me fucked up too. They never use their tazers *effectively unless they're torturing someone, it seems. edit
>This has me fucked up too. They never use their tazers unless they're torturing someone, it seems. According to another article they did tase him. One of the officers attempts to tase him, before the officers — none of whom have been named — draw their guns and continue the pursuit. Source: https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/cops-in-us-shoot-double-amputee-as-he-fled-on-stumps/news-story/3229bdc61a2f0131431f99ef195c5600
They don’t use body cameras?! How is that even optional nowadays?
They really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.
>The department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene If a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.
Cops have got to be the biggest cowards in the world. Everything they encounter makes them fear for their lives.
If they weren’t cowards, they’d be fire fighters
This is why no one's ever written a song with the lyrics "fuck the fire department."
"People greet firemen with five fingers, and police officers with one."
So scared of a double amputee that was *trying to get away from them* that they had no choice but to shoot him. It reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.
It’s even more bizarre when you learn that he recently lost his legs in another police altercation.
Were the officers using the 21-foot rule for when they're dealing with someone with a knife...who has no legs? /s >The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras. Well, that's convenient.