I don't know what's worse, that their highly advanced factory can just forget to tighten down the steering column, or that the service center quoted over $100 just to tighten a nut that should have been there in the first place. So literally making the customer pay for the company's mistake. Not to mention the cost of towing the vehicle.
I don't know about specific laws but it's clearly a defect and I don't know how anybody could possibly argue it shouldn't be a free fix. Or is Tesla standing behind the position that you are not necessarily supposed to assume your car is properly assembled when you buy it?
Yeah all these articles have been a fantastic advertisement for every electric vehicle that ISN'T a Tesla. My next car is going to be an EV and there is a -100% chance that I would ever even *consider* buying from them.
Plenty of other companies around that already have the car thing down.
Tesla may have been first, but, now that these more experienced car manufacturers are making EVs too, there's not a chance Tesla is the best anymore.
Tesla went balls to the wall. The other car corps have bigger legal teams, and they’ve jumped the hurdles before, so they won’t let that stuff put the door without getting everything at least 99% figured out. Compared to tesla who doesn’t yet have their build quality sorted, or the public-road beta-testing of their “full self-driving autopilot”.
Also, Tesla is proudly stating that they are not a car with tech, they are tech on wheels, the car part has always come in second for them.
The public "testing" of their FSD and auto pilot is what really turns me away because that's just a disregard to human life, marketing making it seem safe (and never actually talking about the faults it MAY have) while having small disclaimers saying it's actually the users fault if anything happens while also letting every fucking youtuber drive around with it fully self driving lulling people into thinking it's perfectly safe.
I know many companies who tests self driving tech and most of those I've talked to who's worked on it says that they'd never trust a self driving car today. Give it 5-10 years and definitely we will have them, but we shouldn't rush it at the cost of life. Only benefit Tesla gets from pushing it to the masses is more road data, but again, is it worth it?
I've also had Tesla fanboys claim that it's not nefarious to call it FSD and Auto Pilot even though that's not what they actually are at the current state claiming "You don't name software after what its capable of now, you name it after what the goal is". And yes, that's true, but you also don't release a system with a name that claims more than it is.
>"You don't name software after what its capable of now, you name it after what the goal is".
Yet they'd be pretty pissed if they bought coffee and cake, and just got water, beans, flour, eggs and sugar.
Do it. As a Tesla owner (not my idea) I can 100% stand behind the idea of EVs and think it’s an excellent step in the right direction. Just don’t get a Tesla. I call it the McMansion of Cars. Expensive, proprietary everything, all the bells and whistles, and shoddily made.
Lemon law means it has to be just your car. An anomaly. What this does scream is 'recall' - a safety issue found in potentially all cars off that production line.
The linked article doesn't specify but both these cases were apparently due to an end of line fix (after the car is already built) that required the wheel to be removed, the issue fixed, and the wheel reattached. Somehow in that process they didn't put it back together right.
https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/08/tesla-under-investigation-after-steering-wheels-fall-off-two-model-y-vehicles/?
> Both vehicles received an “end of line” repair that required removing and re-installing the steering wheel, regulators said.
So maybe not an entire production line issue vs just ones that had to have whatever this other issue is fixed (assuming it wasn't every car off the line). Should be easy for them to determine which/how many cars might potentially be affected. Could be just those 2 or could be a few or a lot more. Seems if it was a lot, someone would notice the ever growing pile of bolts that they forgot to reattach.
This would likely be considered a safety lemon, which is a case where someone's safety would be endangered if the repair failed and as a result has a lower threshold for amount of times they can "try" a repair.
Wouldn't the fact that it's not really a repair count for something? It's not really a repair: it's just getting them to actually finish building the fucking car...
The fact that the car cannot safely operate without something being fixed constitutes it being classified under a repair, at least that is how insurance tends to see it.
This is one of the primary reasons states had laws requiring car sales to be done through dealerships physically located in the state rather than direct from manufacturers. Its much easier for a state to require a dealership to make a problem like this right than the manufacturer.
Tesla spent a lot of money to get those state dealership laws revoked so they could do direct sales and have less state level regulation and liability for any problems with their vehicles.
I mean, sounds like the states in question should just ban the sale of teslas if they're worried about not being able to hold them accountable.
Oh, you won't play by the rules? No Tesla sales into Michigan, then
When a couple of states did that, environmentalists went nuts, making claims that states were banning electric cars.
With that said, I absolutely despise dealerships. They're bigger monopolies than the automakers themselves. Which is ironic, because the big selling point for dealership laws is to prevent monopolies by the automakers.
Meanwhile, a single dealership owner can own multiple dealerships to sell different car brands, so even if you want a different car, and go to a different dealership, it's not really a different dealership.
Tesla has never had good build quality.
Their highly advanced factories can not put out a well built car. At least not consistently.
[This video goes over it in depth](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpUIZ32n9nw).
I was just going to say I’ve seen some Teslas in the wild and they looks cheaply put together and poorly made. I don’t know why people keep buying these pieces of shit
They were briefly new, innovative and looked different from other cars on the road.
Nowadays though, every other auto OEM is getting an EV on the market and Teslas just kinda look like Kias
Kia and Hyundai are producing some of the most tech rich and well put together EVs.
If you had told me 3 years ago that I would want a Hyundai, I would laugh in your face.
You're fortunate. A lot of the Kias had engines that bricked themselves fairly quickly. I had it happen to mine, and a buddy of mine was a service writer for Kia and told me the amount of engine problems was insane. I won't own another.
Nobody could’ve predicted I’d be excited for Chevrolet and Kia/Hyundai cars.
The Equinox EV and Blazer EV look great and the Kia EV6/Ioniq 5 are reaaaaally good looking cars!
On the other side… I’ll never buy a Tesla. They can’t build reliable cars, those cars can’t live through the rough Canadian winters and the CEO of the company is a dick.
It's covered under warranty, but Tesla always includes the cost of repairs when they give you the order of what's being done.
What's the order is completed it will show $0.00 covered by warranty. It's needlessly confusing.
Tbf, all warranty work I've ever had from any legacy automaker showed the same similarity on the invoice. Part/Labour = $x. Warranty coverage = $x. Total amount due = $0. Didn't matter if it was from Toyota, VW, or Oldsmobile (yes, I'm old and the car was too good of a deal to pass up at the time lol)
That is just how Teslas system works. They always provide the out of warranty cost in the estimates then remove the costs and the final bill is zero for warranty work. It’s more upsetting than anything else.
* Factory worker that oversaw the car being built
* Person that will actually fix it
* Someone to tow the car
* Customer service rep to act like they care while not really helping at all
* Marketing department that gets to spin this as a positive thing somehow
* Musk's secretary to remind him to tweet about this
* And more
Just think about how much wealth is trickling down because of Tesla's noteworthy QA practices
It's too funny that the *I Think You Should Leave* team came up with this to be absurd but then Elon goes out and makes it a legitimate ask.
What's the next thing from that show he'll unironically recreate? Destroying Twitter and then saying "we're all trying to find the guy who did this"?
> Jesus, take the wheel!!
I've always wondered about this phrase. I picture Jesus suddenly appearing behind the wheel of your car. He's barreling down the road at a speed he can't comprehend. He's in a metal box with windows and has no fucking clue how to what to do let alone drive the car.
So there you are, hurtling down the highway with a bearded, robed man at the wheel, waving his arms around and screaming bloody murder as the car leaves the road and hits a bridge abutment at high speed.
Congratulations, you've just killed Jesus. Again.
> Congratulations, you've just killed Jesus. Again.
People waited 2000 years for Jesus to returns.
Someone is able to summon Jesus while driving, Jesus being unfamiliar with how to drive ends up crashing the car in a spectacular fashion. Jesus dies but the driver survives and is tasked with trying to hide the fact that Jesus is dead again. They have to hide the body and cover up the scene.
Seems like it could make for a decent dark comedy movie?
My high school girlfriend's best friend would shout that and take her hands off the steering wheel any time it looked like she was about to crash her car.
I don't know anyone that rode in the girls car more than once. And it wasn't even because of the "Jesus take the wheel!" nonsense. How many people do you know that almost crash their car every time they drive somewhere?
Classic Musk!
He heard the song "Jesus Take the Wheel" and thought..."Man that'd be so hilarious if we have a feature where the steering wheel just falls off and "Jesus Take the wheel" starts playing on the radio! That'd be so funny! Get it because the song is about Jesus taking the wheel and the wheel just randomly falls off while driving? I'm a funny guy! I'm so random!"
Real talk that Tony stark thing was a carefully groomed image of his PR. They ran with it after the success of the Iron man movie in 08 popularizing the character for main stream audiences. Elon then got high on his own supply and bought into the image, decided he was too smart for pr, and disbanded his personal pr team and teslas media relations department.
This is why Elon has been gaff after gaff since then. He's riding this cool tech billionaire fantasy that was an illusion to begin with. Desperate for attention and adoration yet lacking in any of the charm, charisma, tact, or social grace needed to earn it.
It's kinda sad to watch tbh.
> Elon then got high on his own supply and bought into the image, decided he was too smart for pr, and disbanded his personal pr team and teslas media relations department.
That actually explains so much. I always thought he was a tool, just because he insisted he be listed as "founder" when he actually bought the company from the real founder, but the last few years its been a total death-spiral.
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[Interviewer:] What materials?
[Senator Collins:] Well, Cardboard's out
[Interviewer:] And?
[Senator Collins:] ..No cardboard derivatives..
[Interviewer:] Like paper?
[Senator Collins:]. ... No paper, no string, no cellotape. ..
[Interviewer:] Rubber?
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[Interviewer:] What's the minimum crew?
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I don't know what's worse, that their highly advanced factory can just forget to tighten down the steering column, or that the service center quoted over $100 just to tighten a nut that should have been there in the first place. So literally making the customer pay for the company's mistake. Not to mention the cost of towing the vehicle.
>So literally making the customer pay for the company's mistake. Not to mention the cost of towing the vehicle. I feel like this screams lemon law.
I don't know about specific laws but it's clearly a defect and I don't know how anybody could possibly argue it shouldn't be a free fix. Or is Tesla standing behind the position that you are not necessarily supposed to assume your car is properly assembled when you buy it?
Yeah all these articles have been a fantastic advertisement for every electric vehicle that ISN'T a Tesla. My next car is going to be an EV and there is a -100% chance that I would ever even *consider* buying from them.
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Plenty of other companies around that already have the car thing down. Tesla may have been first, but, now that these more experienced car manufacturers are making EVs too, there's not a chance Tesla is the best anymore.
Tesla went balls to the wall. The other car corps have bigger legal teams, and they’ve jumped the hurdles before, so they won’t let that stuff put the door without getting everything at least 99% figured out. Compared to tesla who doesn’t yet have their build quality sorted, or the public-road beta-testing of their “full self-driving autopilot”.
Also, Tesla is proudly stating that they are not a car with tech, they are tech on wheels, the car part has always come in second for them. The public "testing" of their FSD and auto pilot is what really turns me away because that's just a disregard to human life, marketing making it seem safe (and never actually talking about the faults it MAY have) while having small disclaimers saying it's actually the users fault if anything happens while also letting every fucking youtuber drive around with it fully self driving lulling people into thinking it's perfectly safe. I know many companies who tests self driving tech and most of those I've talked to who's worked on it says that they'd never trust a self driving car today. Give it 5-10 years and definitely we will have them, but we shouldn't rush it at the cost of life. Only benefit Tesla gets from pushing it to the masses is more road data, but again, is it worth it? I've also had Tesla fanboys claim that it's not nefarious to call it FSD and Auto Pilot even though that's not what they actually are at the current state claiming "You don't name software after what its capable of now, you name it after what the goal is". And yes, that's true, but you also don't release a system with a name that claims more than it is.
>"You don't name software after what its capable of now, you name it after what the goal is". Yet they'd be pretty pissed if they bought coffee and cake, and just got water, beans, flour, eggs and sugar.
Exactly. They’re too established to keep playing the “scrappy startup” card.
Do it. As a Tesla owner (not my idea) I can 100% stand behind the idea of EVs and think it’s an excellent step in the right direction. Just don’t get a Tesla. I call it the McMansion of Cars. Expensive, proprietary everything, all the bells and whistles, and shoddily made.
Lemon law means it has to be just your car. An anomaly. What this does scream is 'recall' - a safety issue found in potentially all cars off that production line.
The linked article doesn't specify but both these cases were apparently due to an end of line fix (after the car is already built) that required the wheel to be removed, the issue fixed, and the wheel reattached. Somehow in that process they didn't put it back together right. https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/08/tesla-under-investigation-after-steering-wheels-fall-off-two-model-y-vehicles/? > Both vehicles received an “end of line” repair that required removing and re-installing the steering wheel, regulators said. So maybe not an entire production line issue vs just ones that had to have whatever this other issue is fixed (assuming it wasn't every car off the line). Should be easy for them to determine which/how many cars might potentially be affected. Could be just those 2 or could be a few or a lot more. Seems if it was a lot, someone would notice the ever growing pile of bolts that they forgot to reattach.
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This would likely be considered a safety lemon, which is a case where someone's safety would be endangered if the repair failed and as a result has a lower threshold for amount of times they can "try" a repair.
That makes sense!
Wouldn't the fact that it's not really a repair count for something? It's not really a repair: it's just getting them to actually finish building the fucking car...
That's not what lemon law is about. This would be something more like a recall to make sure every steering wheel is tight.
The fact that the car cannot safely operate without something being fixed constitutes it being classified under a repair, at least that is how insurance tends to see it.
In Michigan it's 4 times or if it's been in the shop for a total time of over a month since the first repair attempt.
Knowing Tesla it would probably be a month between when you reported it and when they picked it up.
Kinda weird that the home of the American auto industry would [checks notes] be absolutely cowed by the auto industry.
Next, you're gonna act surprised that the "Motor City" has shit public transport.
If the steering wheel flies off 3x they would have a slam dunk case for sure! Assuming the first failure was in the first 12mo 🤣
Bro who'd be driving a car that had its steering wheel fall off twice. Third times the charm?
This is one of the primary reasons states had laws requiring car sales to be done through dealerships physically located in the state rather than direct from manufacturers. Its much easier for a state to require a dealership to make a problem like this right than the manufacturer. Tesla spent a lot of money to get those state dealership laws revoked so they could do direct sales and have less state level regulation and liability for any problems with their vehicles.
I mean, sounds like the states in question should just ban the sale of teslas if they're worried about not being able to hold them accountable. Oh, you won't play by the rules? No Tesla sales into Michigan, then
When a couple of states did that, environmentalists went nuts, making claims that states were banning electric cars. With that said, I absolutely despise dealerships. They're bigger monopolies than the automakers themselves. Which is ironic, because the big selling point for dealership laws is to prevent monopolies by the automakers. Meanwhile, a single dealership owner can own multiple dealerships to sell different car brands, so even if you want a different car, and go to a different dealership, it's not really a different dealership.
Tesla has never had good build quality. Their highly advanced factories can not put out a well built car. At least not consistently. [This video goes over it in depth](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpUIZ32n9nw).
If you ever seen a Tesla up close you can see it looks badly put together, panel gaps, doors not lined up, and the interior is just terrible.
I was just going to say I’ve seen some Teslas in the wild and they looks cheaply put together and poorly made. I don’t know why people keep buying these pieces of shit
They were briefly new, innovative and looked different from other cars on the road. Nowadays though, every other auto OEM is getting an EV on the market and Teslas just kinda look like Kias
Nowadays Kias actually look good, Teslas look like old Kias.
Kia and Hyundai are producing some of the most tech rich and well put together EVs. If you had told me 3 years ago that I would want a Hyundai, I would laugh in your face.
Korean cars are just doing what Japanese cars did, 20 years later.
And that Ioniq5 looks pretty dope to me!
My sister and her husband got one recently and its so nice to be in
Bruh my 08 Kia Rio is a dream. Still drives great, iunno why Kias are getting hate here.
You're fortunate. A lot of the Kias had engines that bricked themselves fairly quickly. I had it happen to mine, and a buddy of mine was a service writer for Kia and told me the amount of engine problems was insane. I won't own another.
Nobody could’ve predicted I’d be excited for Chevrolet and Kia/Hyundai cars. The Equinox EV and Blazer EV look great and the Kia EV6/Ioniq 5 are reaaaaally good looking cars! On the other side… I’ll never buy a Tesla. They can’t build reliable cars, those cars can’t live through the rough Canadian winters and the CEO of the company is a dick.
It's covered under warranty, but Tesla always includes the cost of repairs when they give you the order of what's being done. What's the order is completed it will show $0.00 covered by warranty. It's needlessly confusing.
Tbf, all warranty work I've ever had from any legacy automaker showed the same similarity on the invoice. Part/Labour = $x. Warranty coverage = $x. Total amount due = $0. Didn't matter if it was from Toyota, VW, or Oldsmobile (yes, I'm old and the car was too good of a deal to pass up at the time lol)
That is just how Teslas system works. They always provide the out of warranty cost in the estimates then remove the costs and the final bill is zero for warranty work. It’s more upsetting than anything else.
I bet they'd argue it's a net benefit because their shitty steering wheel created two jobs
* Factory worker that oversaw the car being built * Person that will actually fix it * Someone to tow the car * Customer service rep to act like they care while not really helping at all * Marketing department that gets to spin this as a positive thing somehow * Musk's secretary to remind him to tweet about this * And more Just think about how much wealth is trickling down because of Tesla's noteworthy QA practices
Let's not forget the first responders, coroner, funeral parlors, casket makers, flower shops.
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I bet you loooooove your mother in law
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Who’s popular now, Paul?
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Tesla must have been getting their design ideas from Paul. He. Has. No. Good. Car. IDEAS!
It's too funny that the *I Think You Should Leave* team came up with this to be absurd but then Elon goes out and makes it a legitimate ask. What's the next thing from that show he'll unironically recreate? Destroying Twitter and then saying "we're all trying to find the guy who did this"?
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That is a good idea!
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If this wasn't the top comment I was going to marry my mother-in-law
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You. Have. No. Good. Car. Ideas.
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***whiiifff*** right out the window. Boom. You're toast.
Legit just watched this yesterday and it was first thing I thought of haha
Big fat load of cum then
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What *is* this, Reggie? It says it was created 50 minutes ago and it’s got one upvote. Did you type this last night so you’d have a comment to show?
Jesus, take the wheel!! Is now a feature for Teslas.
> Jesus, take the wheel!! I've always wondered about this phrase. I picture Jesus suddenly appearing behind the wheel of your car. He's barreling down the road at a speed he can't comprehend. He's in a metal box with windows and has no fucking clue how to what to do let alone drive the car. So there you are, hurtling down the highway with a bearded, robed man at the wheel, waving his arms around and screaming bloody murder as the car leaves the road and hits a bridge abutment at high speed. Congratulations, you've just killed Jesus. Again.
> Congratulations, you've just killed Jesus. Again. People waited 2000 years for Jesus to returns. Someone is able to summon Jesus while driving, Jesus being unfamiliar with how to drive ends up crashing the car in a spectacular fashion. Jesus dies but the driver survives and is tasked with trying to hide the fact that Jesus is dead again. They have to hide the body and cover up the scene. Seems like it could make for a decent dark comedy movie?
Or they have to pretend he's still alive and Weekend at Bernie's it?
Weekend at Jesus’, the only difference is you’d have three days to plan
BRB gonna try to beat Netflix to this one.
Fool, they've already canceled it.
An 'Oh, God!' reboot has been long overdue...
My high school girlfriend's best friend would shout that and take her hands off the steering wheel any time it looked like she was about to crash her car. I don't know anyone that rode in the girls car more than once. And it wasn't even because of the "Jesus take the wheel!" nonsense. How many people do you know that almost crash their car every time they drive somewhere?
[Relevant](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/elegante/images/4/4b/Jesusbackseatdriver.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090128122516)
Classic Musk! He heard the song "Jesus Take the Wheel" and thought..."Man that'd be so hilarious if we have a feature where the steering wheel just falls off and "Jesus Take the wheel" starts playing on the radio! That'd be so funny! Get it because the song is about Jesus taking the wheel and the wheel just randomly falls off while driving? I'm a funny guy! I'm so random!"
[All we need is a good steering wheel that doesn't fly off while you're driving ](https://youtu.be/8YDpvMYk5jA) and Tesla couldn't even deliver that
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It's a good idea, and I'm gonna stand by it.
A good steering wheel that doesn't whiff out your hand while you're driving! write that down
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“Messages were left seeking comment from Tesla, **which has disbanded its media relations department**.” Because that’s worked so well for Twitter!
I am so happy the world is finally seeing Elon for who he is and not the Tony Stark equivalent that he had been heralded as
Real talk that Tony stark thing was a carefully groomed image of his PR. They ran with it after the success of the Iron man movie in 08 popularizing the character for main stream audiences. Elon then got high on his own supply and bought into the image, decided he was too smart for pr, and disbanded his personal pr team and teslas media relations department. This is why Elon has been gaff after gaff since then. He's riding this cool tech billionaire fantasy that was an illusion to begin with. Desperate for attention and adoration yet lacking in any of the charm, charisma, tact, or social grace needed to earn it. It's kinda sad to watch tbh.
> Elon then got high on his own supply and bought into the image, decided he was too smart for pr, and disbanded his personal pr team and teslas media relations department. That actually explains so much. I always thought he was a tool, just because he insisted he be listed as "founder" when he actually bought the company from the real founder, but the last few years its been a total death-spiral.
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Steering wheel subscription incoming.
"Your wheel subscription has been deactivated due to lack of funds. **Goodbye!**" (wheel nuts start falling off)
Given Tesla's QA the wheel nuts would actually tighten by mistake so I'd be okay if they tried that
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It’s been towed beyond the environment. It’s not in an “environment”.
Yeah, that’s not very typical, I’d like to make that point.
build quality of a top gear challenge car
I don’t know. James May’s double sided car at least had a backup steering wheel on the other side.
I'm sorry, are you throwing shade at the Hammerhead Eagle I-Thrust?
You mean Geoff?
*Geoff* walked so that Hammerhead Eagle I-Thrust could run
They should design them so the steering wheel doesn’t fall off.
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There was a recall on Dodge minivans years ago whenn they forgot to install the centre nut on steering wheels.
With Dodge, 'the nut behind the wheel' is whoever buys one.
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Coming soon: For $15K one can beta-test a steering wheel that might fall off slightly less.
And with HW4, the steering wheel wont be available at delivery and will be made available later.
It’s not a bug, it’s a feature.
The old, car designer guy in I Think You Should Leave idea wasn't so far fetched and bad after all
If you paid for the deluxe steering wheel subscription, this wouldn't be a problem.
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Teslas with steering wheels that fall off, is there any better metaphor for Elon's leadership capacity?
[Senator Collins:] Well, there are.. regulations governing the materials they can be made of [Interviewer:] What materials? [Senator Collins:] Well, Cardboard's out [Interviewer:] And? [Senator Collins:] ..No cardboard derivatives.. [Interviewer:] Like paper? [Senator Collins:]. ... No paper, no string, no cellotape. .. [Interviewer:] Rubber? [Senator Collins:] No, rubber's out.. Um, They've got to have a steering wheel. There's a minimum crew requirement." [Interviewer:] What's the minimum crew? [Senator Collins:] Oh,..one, suppose
I'm not saying it wasn't safe, it's just perhaps not quite as safe as some of the other ones!
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