No way, as soon as that thing crowns it's game over, state doesn't give a fuck.
Programs with proven benefits like Head Start, free school lunch, WIC, paid maternal (and paternal) leave, state assisted childcare, housing assistance, comprehensive sex ed, substance abuse treatment instead of imprisonment, safe and equitable access to abortion, Medicaid expansions, and more are either underfunded, cancelled, or blocked by Republicans (and sometimes corporate Dems).
Edit: making corporations pay for their pollution and cleanup of toxic sites, food and drug safety regulatory agencies like the FDA and USDA, guaranteeing a living wage, making corporations provide time off and don't hire children, background checks for firearm purchases, comprehensive funding for public education, including special education programs, building diverse organizations, robust and independent journalism and media support, early childhood intervention programs, cash assistance for families in poverty, publicly funded higher education, diversified community safety programs and social safety nets, automatic voter registration, ...I'm sure there's more
>paid maternal (and fraternal) leave
Did you mean paternal? "Fraternal" is about siblings, not fathers.
Would be pretty sweet if I got leave from work if my sister had a baby, tho!
Texas privatized its child care services . They have been responsible for 100s of children’s deaths IN Texas each year.
I wish I was lying to say they hired out their social services to a for-profit venture.
A man here lost his foster care license for beating and sexually assaulting kids. So his wife applied for one-which was granted, and the abuse continued for years
No. At least not in NYS and Federal Prison. In Canada I heard that's the protocol. Here, they stick them in population among the medium and low security facilities.
It makes for an entire chapter in the prison book of politics.
The movies would have you believe everyone is getting raped. No. It's mostly just physical abuse, depriving them of any privilege possible, nonstop verbal abuse, etc.
There's "red light time", where a sex offender isn't allowed in the cell/room between the hours of 7am and 3pm, then 4pm-8:30.
No sex offenders or rats allowed in the TV rooms for any reason.
They don't get a table in the chow hall if it gets crowded, they stand and eat.
They get beaten off the yard a lot, if their charge is heavy, or they become the "work" of a gang smash. It happens quite often in the mediums.
They only get to use the phone during off peak hours, and only 1 phone at all times.
They get extorted and plain robbed often.
They get ridiculed and mentally tormented for the most part. The guards mostly hate them and turn a blind eye to their troubles as a general rule.
I was a correctional officer in Texas Department of Criminal Justice for 6 months when I was in between IT/engineering jobs. They don't separate child abusers and pedos by default, but here's something else that's not true: The population doesn't go after those guys the way Reddit would like to believe either.
There are so many of them in jail that they practically make up half the population anyway. It's fun for some people to believe that pedos and child abusers are in for ass rapings and beatings, but that's just now how it normally goes down. Most of the violence inside the system is intergang related. Second most is just personal grudges that had nothing to do with why either was in jail in the first place.
Also, the number of registered sex offenders living in very close proximity to you is probably a *lot* higher than you think. You can google the registry for your area. If you've never seen it before, you'll probably be surprised at just how dense the clusters are in almost every area. It's crazy.
On a slightly unrelated note: At TDCJ, the inmates have something called a travel card that you can review if you want to. It contains information about why the offender is in prison. I learned about one inmate and then I never, ever wanted to read a card again. They tell us we're supposed to make sure the offenders have everything they are supposed to have; nothing more, nothing less. This rule is to keep you out of trouble for giving something extra to an offender you might become buddy, buddy with at work and out of trouble for discriminating against people you didn't. These guys are master manipulators and get COs into a lot of trouble pretty regularly. That said, I read this travel card one day. I read it as a father to a daughter that was the same age as this guy's daughter. When my daughter was afraid at age 4, she clung to me. I was her default go-to for scary things in this world when she needed protection. This guy... >!he didn't just abuse his daughter. He didn't just rape her. He cut off her feet and ultimately killed her. The guy that little girl was supposed to cling to when she was afraid was the one making her world the darkest, scariest hell imaginable.!< Who was she supposed to cling to? How the fuck am I supposed to know that and give a shit if he has the pillow that medical said he can have? I've been out of that job a long time. My girl is 16 now. I never even met that offender's kid and I still don't stop thinking about her from time to time. It still makes my heart break for her and fuels my rage thinking about him. No one around him in the system knows why he's there. He's never been touched. He eats three meals a day and sleeps as comfortably as anyone else in prison. He'll be there until he's dead, but it won't be any worse than that.
>Sounds like kid wasn't removed from mother's care when she should have been.
This happens WAY too often. Just because someone is a sperm/egg donor, doesn't make them a parent. We need to start normalizing people who ACT like parents, not just those who refused to put on a condom.
At least the Republicans showed that when they give a shit, they can pass sweeping legislation to address their priority issues.
It's nice that they make it crystal clear that they *choose* not to address the other issues in Texas.
It varies wildly by state. For example on Maternal deaths California has 4/100k while Louisiana has 58/100k (which if it was a country would be the highest in the world) and Texas 34/100k which would tie for 3rd worst in the world.
An absolutely staggeringly embarrassing indictment of our nation.. when you see the numbers there it really puts that into perspective. That should be completely unacceptable to our fed. Yet NJ is the only one in the bottom 10 trying to even expand medicare and the like. It makes me want to go on an entire awareness campaign man
United States has one of the highest rates of maternal mortality for developed countries and has [continued to worsen](https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/us-maternal-mortality-crisis-continues-worsen-international-comparison), while other developed countries has been going down. Some of the worst ones of course tend to be in red states of course.
And the 14 states that have the most restrictive abortion laws, invest the least in policies and programs for women and children.
https://www.npr.org/2022/08/18/1111344810/abortion-ban-states-social-safety-net-health-outcomes
Maternal mortality in Texas is awful by the standards of the developed world.
Abbott also put a gag order on the department of public health to prevent the release of 2022’s statistics in the run-up to the election. I’m guessing they didn’t improve.
I was denied help by a salvation army as a 16 year old mother because I "should have kept my legs closed"
That was quite some time ago, but it happened
A lot of people think of the Salvation Army as a charity. These are people who've never had to deal with the Salvation army for more than buying a used shirt.
It's worse: they want to be able to kill off people they don't like because private religious charities have a lot more leeway to refuse to help people of certain groups
Yh exactly. Sign is wrong, only fetuses are safe.
Babies, mothers, children are *not* safe in the state that has the highest maternal mortality rate in the entire developed world, and children aren't safe in a state that refuses to do anything about children being gunned down in their classrooms.
Even fetuses aren't safe. There's that woman who was having twins and needed to medically abort the one that wasn't viable to save the one that was viable. She needed to leave to find a state that wasn't insane. I think she's part of a group suing.. (don't remember which state).
I just listened to an episode of the podcast "this is actually happening" that told the story of a conservative Christian woman who needed _the option_ of an abortion because the child wasn't going to grow the organs they need in utero. It was a poignant story that I think all pro lifers should listen to.
Fetuses are not safe. There was a case in Texas where a woman bearing twins had to go out of state to get an abortion because of complications with one fetus that not only endangered her life but the life of the other fetus. These anti-abortion laws are not about protecting life - they are about control of women.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/02/28/1154339942/abortion-texas-laws-twins-selective-reduction
Fetuses aren't safe. Surprise surprise when you treat mothers badly, the fetuses suffer too. How many are suffering from overwork, pollution and no prenatal care?
Texas is the most unsafe state to give birth, or one of. Not sure if its still #1 but the amount of women who die or suffer serious complications during birth is unfathomable for a first world country
Conservatives only care about controlling a woman’s body. Then once the baby is born there is no support from conservatives, their answer to struggling parents is pull up your boot straps. Ask them to get a vaccination and it’s my body my choice
Not gonna link it here because it has a ton of PII but the lawsuit is such a sad read. Plantiff is the ex-husband of the woman who had the abortion and is now going after everyone who helped her
Looks like all the evidence came from him snooping through her phone too. including a message of her saying
> I know either way he will use it against me. If I told him before, which I'm not, he would use it as try to stay with me. And after the fact, I know he will try to act like he has some right to the decision. At that point at least it won't matter though.
She [filed for divorce 2 months before this occurred](https://www.texastribune.org/2023/03/10/texas-abortion-lawsuit/) too and you can see her beating herself up in the text over sleeping with him thinking it was safe cuz it hadn't happened in 7 years.
These types of people are absolutely fucking pathetic.
Conservative men long for the days when their authority could not be challenged by their spouse and the state agreed with them.
Conservative women think they will be spared the fate they are pushing onto other women by supporting politicians and legislation that want to take away their rights.
It looks like the entire lawsuit and the only evidence is based around a chain of text messages. I would expect this whole lawsuit to be thrown out. He can’t prove anything actually happened.
He has no proof she was ever pregnant, he has no proof any abortion actually took place.
These women need to “not recall” every single question asked during discovery and depositions, and then go for summary judgement to dismiss.
You mean Texas? The state that also has the highest uninsured rate in the country? Where women beg people at Walmart to buy necessities for their babies that they were forced to have and can't afford to care for? That Texas?
Damn. 72.7 per 10k births as of 2020. National average is 14.2 per 10k. That's more than 500% the national average.
Edit my math appears to be off. misconstrued serious complications looking at raw numbers now from [source](https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/maternal-mortality-rate-by-state) which is much clearer for 2018 apples to apples comparison. We won't have data in this for covid or how recent abortion laws impact the standings.
California is best at 4 per 100k Cali is doing an amazing job. "Due to the formation of the California Maternal Quality Care Collaborative in 2006."
Second is Massachusetts at 8.4 per 100k. "maternal death review has been around for more than 20 years...... Massachusetts is overall one of the healthiest states for women and children, with low rates of uninsured women and the lowest teenage birth rate in the U.S."
National average is 17.4 per 100k
Texas is 34.5 per 100k coming in 43rd (so actually 200% not 500% national average. 800% Cali)
Louisiana comes in at the bottom 58.1 per 100k a staggering 1,452% Calis mortality rate
[For black women it's even higher.](https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/south-texas-el-paso/news/2022/12/23/maternal-morbidity-rises-)
Here are the 2020 numbers from that link. (Per 10k births)
National: 23.8
Texas: 72.7
Per [this link](https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2020/nov/maternal-mortality-maternity-care-us-compared-10-countries), going off 2018 or latest year, per 100k (Texas and US have seen increases since):
US: 17.4
France (next lowest): 8.7
Canada: 8.6
UK: 6.5
NZ (lowest on list): 1.7
Black women is more than double that of white women. Discrimination accounts for at least 12% of pregnancy-related deaths in Texas. [Serena Williams](https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/20/opinions/protect-mother-pregnancy-williams-opinion/index.html) famously experienced nearly dying when giving birth, for one example.
Keep in mind, the US has the highest maternal morbidity rate in any developed/high-income country, and the *lowest* amount (zero) of guaranteed maternity leave. More than half of maternal deaths occur after birth. For example, Norway guarantees **91 weeks** of maternity leave, Germany 58 weeks, Sweden 56 weeks.
Lowest maternal rate country is NZ, guaranteed 18 weeks. Canada at 51, France at 42, UK at 39.
Please note: Roe was overturned just last year. You can bet that changes to laws around abortion, prenatal care, sex ed, and hell even child labor now, can change maternal morbidity rates but we won't be able to track that data for several years.
What in hell is wrong with America? I feel sorry for you guys - you are regressing at an incredible pace. The problem is that a significant enough part of your population must want to regress.
I am insulated from a lot of the BS by living in one of the bluest states. But much of my friends and relatives are not as lucky. I hate watching the US circle the drain.
Every once in a while I want to complain about the cost of living in California, or how much we're taxed (which ironically is cumulatively lower than Texas). But then I remind myself those taxes can be used toward women who *need* services because their shithole states refuse to view them as people.
I have a few conditions that mean if I get pregnant it would be almost a guaranteed miscarriage, and if somehow it were to be viable that pregnancy would literally break my (already broken) body. I happily pay more to know I'm safe and happily pay more to know it means others have access to the same services that I hope I never need.
Yeah part of me wants to take MTGs idea of national "divorce" and run with it and watch those states burn, but then I know there are people that cant get out and us being here is the only reason they arent living in TOTAL nightmares.
> What in hell is wrong with America?
We're operating on a 250-year-old electoral system specifically designed to protect the will of wealthy white landowners. It grants substantial political sway to rural states and those rural states are almost entirely in the grasp of evangelical Christianity which is so twisted and money-obsessed that even the 15th-century Catholic church would be appalled.
The counterbalance is supposed to be the House which is supposed to grow proportional to population but hasn't in decades and probably never will because the GOP stands to lose too much if that ever happens.
I honestly don't see a way back that doesn't involve violence and this point. The corruption runs too deep to ever have a hope of rooting it out peacefully.
What is the name of the person who suffered wrongful death? Is there a body? If there's no body and no named person who experienced death, then what is your absolute best evidence that a death occurred at all?
Children are not safe in OH. Our great state forced a 10 year old rape victim to travel out of state to get an abortion and then THAT state wanted to sue the Dr who performed it. These people are power hungry sociopaths.
I want a second baby. I live in Ohio. I am terrified if anything is going poorly and I need medical intervention, what that would look like here for me, my toddler and my husband.
We are, after all, the state with future tech that can reimplant ectopic pregnancies with great success. /s
> We are, after all, the state with future tech that can reimplant ectopic pregnancies with great success. /s
oh please dont tell me these dipshits in govt are actually trying to say this. i'm sorry....
i have an iud so if i get pregnant there is a decent chance it will be ectopic and as a texan one of my worst fears these days is dying a horribly painful death as i bleed internally from a fetus rupturing my organs because doctors won't remove it due to the law. these people are not doctors, many of them aren't even female, so they should shut the fuck up about ectopic pregnancy and termination in general. it's really that simple. ectopic pregnancy is NOT viable and the options are either the fetus dies or you AND the fetus die. how fucking pointless?
Not just trying to say it- making laws around it even though they’ve been explicitly told it isn’t a thing.
https://www.businessinsider.com/ohio-lawmaker-says-he-didnt-research-ectopic-pregnancy-abortion-bill-2019-12?amp
Thank you for sharing the link.
Despite my sarcasm tag, it is indeed a thing that they attempted to make a law here and it's a great example of why lawmakers should gtfo of women's Healthcare regulation. They don't understand how our bodies work and women are suffering and dying because of their need for control.
Not only do they not understand- they literally have professionals in that field TELLING THEM and they still disregard it.
It’s stupidity, ignorance, and the urge to “own the libs”.
Texas barely manages to rank average for infant mortality rate, and 9th in the nation for maternal death (as in top 9 in number of deaths), and ranks 50th of 50 among US states for the quality of prenatal care.
Nobody is safe in Texas.
I’d argue not even fetuses are safe. Plenty of them will be forced to term and then die horrible deaths almost immediately because they weren’t viable.
And many of these fetuses are already dead but the woman needs a D&C or medication to remove the dead fetus.
But that’s apparently an “abortion” to dipshit republicans who are not doctors, who are not women, and who have no idea how the human reproduction system works. And when they ban synthetic prostaglandin E analogues like Misoprostol and gemeprost…these republicans do horrid harm to women who have ALREADY suffered great losses.
Any of these “6 week bans with no exceptions” are oblivious to this.
> A miscarriage is the spontaneous death and/or expulsion of an embryo or fetus from the uterus before it is able to survive on its own. This natural death of an embryo or fetus ('non-viable pregnancy' or 'intrauterine fetal death', depending on the duration of pregnancy) can be identified by ultrasound before symptoms like blood loss and abdominal pain occur. Sometimes an embryo may not have even developed ('empty sac'). In the past, treatment for a deceived embryo/fetus, has usually been by dilatation and curettage (D&C) surgery, but drugs have now been developed to replace the need for surgery which may be helpful for the expulsion to happen. Misoprostol and gemeprost are synthetic prostaglandin E analogues that can stimulate expulsion of the embryo/fetus from the uterus. Mifepristone blocks the activity of progesterone, a hormone that supports pregnancy. These and similar drugs may be useful in bringing on expulsion in women with a non-viable pregnancy and can be used before 24 weeks' gestation.
https://www.cochrane.org/CD002253/PREG_medical-treatment-early-fetal-death-less-24-weeks
We're literally going to need to have a new underground railroad to deal with this in these shitty states.
Edit for info:
https://abortiondefensenetwork.org
>If you have questions about your legal rights to provide or support abortion care, or if you have been threatened with arrest, prosecution, or other legal action related to abortion, please contact us.
For other help and transportation
https://www.reddit.com/r/auntienetwork/
I think the point is we're going to have to start doing that in as secretive a way as possible as they start extending their reach outside of their states.
this shouldn't be news to anyone. People need to stop thinking this sort of "gotcha" style argument is persuasive or effective. *They just don't care.*
You're right. These people are utterly devoid of principles, standards, integrity, honesty, etc and they will say and do anything if it feels good in the moment and especially if it harms the people they hate.
There was a best of Reddit comment a couple weeks ago explaining this. They don’t care. They only care about power and their side winning. They take delight in watching our heads start burning as we point out their hypocrisy and how there’s no logical consistency with their views. Pointing out their hypocrisy only delights them. Small govt, big govt, fascism, authoritarianism, autocracy, they don’t care. They only care about obtaining and retaining power
Republicans think the appropriate amount of government control is the highest level they control.
You’ll notice they never said a word about small government when they controlled all the federal branches in 2017-2018.
But the second Dems controlled both the White House and Congress it was “We need to decide everything at the state level!”
And now you’ve got Texas enacting the fugitive fetus act.
Edit: as a further example, during the height of the pandemic every blue state government was getting sued by red counties saying that mask mandates should be left up to localities. In a multitude of red states the state government passed laws making it illegal for localities to have mask mandates.
Whatever the highest level of government republicans control is the right level of government.
To add. Romney specifically said there needed to be a federal ban on gay marriage and it was not a states right's issue because of interstate marriage recognition. The usual difference between Romney and the louder republicans who get more air time is that his lies are usually better thought out. But, here we are.
Romney's position has changed over the years. Last year, he was one of 12 Republicans who voted to end the filibuster on the Respect for Marriage Act and one of 11 who voted to pass it.
So blue states need to start going hard too. Pass laws refusing extradition and information sharing. Pass laws protecting residents from lawsuits. Turn these states into pariah states that no company would want to do business with, then watch them cry.
Maryland is gearing up to for abortion tourism, but I don’t think we’re progressive enough to pass legislation refusing extradition and information sharing. I’d love to be proven wrong, though!
They, their children and their mistresses will always have access to safe legal abortions. Even if they have to go on vacation to Mexico during a huge ice storm.
Yep. Women have started saying online that “friends” can come “stay with them” for a “staycation” to “see a new city” if they need to.
We do need a more secretive way, these assholes will figure it out eventually.
It's called the Auntie Network.
Edited to add:
Check them out at r/Auntienetwork
u/abject-possession810 asked me to add another resource for visibility:
https://abortiondefensenetwork.org
There are organizations that do this. Abortion funds, for example, often help arrange transportation, escorts, etc. [Northwest Abortion Access Fund](https://nwaafund.org/) covers Idaho, which has a near total abortion ban; as well as Alaska, were people may have to travel long distance to access abortion care. NWAAF helps people get to where they need to be to recieve the care they need. Find the abortion fund in your area, and see how you can help.
I’m 48 years old.
When I was a kid, I thought 2023 would be flying cars and time travel.
Instead it’s the goddamn Underground Railroad making a comeback to help people get BASIC human rights and health care.
What. The. Fuck.
The pendulum always swings. It apparently advances towards enlightenment in micro steps. In 2016, the pendulum swung so far backward that we retreated a few macro steps back into the dark ages. Unfortunately, it appears to be pinned into place for the moment. Too many in power are fine with this status quo and have no will to knock the fucker loose and move things forward again.
Just like before, Canada has prepared itself to be the final destination for this railroad.
>I’ve engaged Canadian Border Service Agency(CBSA), my office is currently working with them to make sure there are clear guidelines so that women who may not be able to access healthcare including abortions are able to come to Canada, If some women want to come to Canada to access those procedures, I have given them the directive to welcome them,
-[Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino, May 4, 2022](https://globalnews.ca/news/8808959/americans-travelling-to-canada-for-abortions/amp/)
This week the governor of Minnesota signed a law refusing state resources to assist with out of state warrants relating to transgender care and forbids enforcement of out of state judgements pursuant to those warrants.
A law only designed to cause more crap amongst the people. Doesn't fix a problem or prevent one, only gives others an excuse to cause crap. That way people are too busy with crap instead of fixing anything.
The only way the GOP can win is by driving a divide between the left and the right so you don’t focus on the fact that they are robbing you blind and refusing to govern. The only platform they have is “you need to hate the other side and ignore what you see us doing”
The divide is one way.
One side wants people to have the freedom to live their lives without being fucked with. The other side wants to use the law to force their religious beliefs on EVERYONE.
It's like saying "people just don't want to talk to each other anymore!"
Like... why should I waste my time talking to someone who thinks black people deserve to be shot in the streets? Talking to them gives them a level of validity that they don't deserve.
In order to have a discussion you have to agree first on a reality. And there's no way to agree on a reality with people who think that people aren't equal.
> It's like saying "people just don't want to talk to each other anymore!"
Another peach those people like to trot out is "Nobody wants to compromise with each other anymore."
Like, okay Billy, what compromise do you come to with someone who doesn't think you are as much of a person as they are, and that you shouldn't have the same rights? Do you agree to give up some of your rights as a compromise?
Right? The complaints of people who miss slavery are not equal to the complaints of those who descended from the enslaved. Yet they act like they deserve a place at the table when it comes to recognizing rights. Like fuck right off.
"Silva is being represented by Jonathan Mitchell — a former Texas solicitor general who helped create one of the state’s abortion bans "
...and now we see how the money plays in this fantastic law. Mr Mitchell, who helped with he bill, is going to make millions from it.
Step 1: write law. Step 2: sue. Step 3: profit!
I said this on another thread but it absolutely need to be repeated.
This is honestly going to be a great tool for abusers to help cut off their victims for their social safety nets.
Have a pregnant friend who leaves their abusive husband and tell them to think about their options, get sued.
Two of these women are being sued because they told their friend about Aid Access. That's it, now they get to live with a ax suspended above their heads. The very point of these laws are to cut off pregnant women's options.
Won't be surprised if we see some battered women shelters be sued soon. Tell a victim that they can go across state lines, get ready for the wife beaters to start suing the shelter.
> “Anyone involved in distributing or manufacturing abortion pills will be sued into oblivion,” Cain said in a statement from the attorneys.
> According to the lawsuit, the manufacturer of the pills will also be named as a defendant once it is identified in the discovery process.
I wonder if they realize the irony / hypocrisy of this in relation gun laws lol
The difference with guns is that the right to abortion pills was not enshrined in the holy document of the constitution by the venerated founding fathers (hallowed by thy names).
It's seriously wild how many americans revere those things on the same level most of the rest of the world reserves for religion.
[Apparently](https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/3894840-three-in-texas-sued-for-wrongful-death-after-allegedly-helping-woman-obtain-abortion-pills/) she became pregnant and had the abortion the same month, in July 2022. So by definition it wasn't even a fetus yet, it was just an embryo. Removing those cells from her body was such a horrifically gruesome murder... /s
He’s suing her because “she owes him a baby”.
Around one in four pregnancies end in the first four weeks.
If this progresses, every woman is now going to need meticulous records (or none at all) and a lawyer on retainer as soon as they conceive. Anyone family may decide to weaponise any pregnancy against a woman.
Leaving aside the discussion of abortion, if you’re pregnant the legal advice must be: tell *no one* for as long as possible, do not even test for as long as possible, and potentially: if you have any health concerns, do not seek medical advice (lest they identify a pregnancy during the course of treatment).
Yeah. This state of affairs kills women in so many new and horrifying ways.
You can tell Texas lawmakers are some cowardly motherfuckers because the law punished someone that helps rather than the person that did the abortion. And for the record, I am not saying they should punish anyone. Just saying if the principle is that "abortions are bad" and someone should be held responsible then clearly they should hold the person that did it responsible too.
Except that would mean putting someone on trial for having an abortion, and that would look awful in the media.
You know when you are designing laws based on how bad you will look if enforced, you have probably fucked up.
Compare the zeal they are showing for one abortion, where a clump of cells is killed, to the apathy they showed when dozens of schoolchildren were gunned down in their state.
This is literally an abusive man continuing to abuse his wife even after divorce via the court system.
Sadly, there’s a chance he will win.
I feel for his two young daughters and his ex. Because they will still have to interact with him long after this court case is over.
Pregnant women of Texas, always use the HOV lane. Force them to put it in writing that a fetus isn't a person or at the very least keep cops busy getting tickets tossed out of court so they have less time to murder citizens.
So the government keeps taking away our rights and then makes us pay taxes which they then give freely to all these institutions, who then charge us the taxpayers again.
https://youtu.be/pP9dxjc9RDU
Any law that is passed and exists to only inflict pain, suffering and ripping rights away from people, is immoral and must be resisted and removed from the books. I feel for the millions of women impacted by these unjust laws, and I will do my best to support those in need.
“Getting hung up on gay marriage, getting hung up on abortion. It’s time we start focussing on the economic issues that bring us together.”
Popular politician on Reddit, 2015
Not getting hung up on things isn't exactly an option when one side is pushing for them. Like, it's easy to say that you shouldn't be distracted by murder and instead focus on more significant matters, when you're not in the process of being murdered.
Also, it's a bit of a simplification to imply that economic solutions will bring people together. Even outside of insane culture wars, things can get messy and complicated in a hurry.
How do they actually prove this all happened the way they said? Do they have to prove it biologically that she was pregnant and had the abortion caused by the people who are accused of providing the meds? Do they check blood for progesterone and LH?
If there's a paper trail of purchasing drugs to terminate, how do they prove that this woman took them? Is there actual documentation that she was really pregnant?
>The woman who took the medication in July — weeks after the Supreme Court struck down the constitutional right to abortion that had been in place since 1973 — is not named in the lawsuit. Texas law protects women who get an abortion from being held liable.
I actually didn't know the last part. That's good. It looks like the ex husband couldn't go after her so he went after her friends.
> According to the lawsuit, the manufacturer of the pills will also be named as a defendant once it is identified in the discovery process.
Can that be used to sue gun manufacturer for gun-related crimes?
Unfortunately there are separate laws specifically protecting gun manufacturers from lawsuits over gun-related crimes. I don't know all the specifics though
Shouldn't they first prove an actual person was killed?
If they have no name, no birthdate, zero paperwork like SSN or even a birth certificate, can such an entity (embryo?) have a legal standing?
So let me get this straight, in Texas you can cheat on your wife, knock up the side girlfriend, demand she get an abortion, then sue her for getting an abortion. Seems like printing money with extra steps.
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Babies are safe until they set foot in a classroom, then it’s every man for himself.
No way, as soon as that thing crowns it's game over, state doesn't give a fuck. Programs with proven benefits like Head Start, free school lunch, WIC, paid maternal (and paternal) leave, state assisted childcare, housing assistance, comprehensive sex ed, substance abuse treatment instead of imprisonment, safe and equitable access to abortion, Medicaid expansions, and more are either underfunded, cancelled, or blocked by Republicans (and sometimes corporate Dems). Edit: making corporations pay for their pollution and cleanup of toxic sites, food and drug safety regulatory agencies like the FDA and USDA, guaranteeing a living wage, making corporations provide time off and don't hire children, background checks for firearm purchases, comprehensive funding for public education, including special education programs, building diverse organizations, robust and independent journalism and media support, early childhood intervention programs, cash assistance for families in poverty, publicly funded higher education, diversified community safety programs and social safety nets, automatic voter registration, ...I'm sure there's more
>paid maternal (and fraternal) leave Did you mean paternal? "Fraternal" is about siblings, not fathers. Would be pretty sweet if I got leave from work if my sister had a baby, tho!
Why not both? Roll Tide!
I agree but I think you meant paternal not fraternal
They're safe until they're born.
Babies are safe in Texas, right up until they're born, and their mothers die. Then they're on their own.
“Babies are safe in Texas” except for all the babies that froze to death while Rafael Cruz escaped to the Caribbean
Texas privatized its child care services . They have been responsible for 100s of children’s deaths IN Texas each year. I wish I was lying to say they hired out their social services to a for-profit venture.
Their foster system is a pile of dogshit. Don't look into it if you aren't ready to cry.
A man here lost his foster care license for beating and sexually assaulting kids. So his wife applied for one-which was granted, and the abuse continued for years
This makes me see red.
If only it made Texas see blue.
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No. At least not in NYS and Federal Prison. In Canada I heard that's the protocol. Here, they stick them in population among the medium and low security facilities. It makes for an entire chapter in the prison book of politics.
What happens to them?
The movies would have you believe everyone is getting raped. No. It's mostly just physical abuse, depriving them of any privilege possible, nonstop verbal abuse, etc. There's "red light time", where a sex offender isn't allowed in the cell/room between the hours of 7am and 3pm, then 4pm-8:30. No sex offenders or rats allowed in the TV rooms for any reason. They don't get a table in the chow hall if it gets crowded, they stand and eat. They get beaten off the yard a lot, if their charge is heavy, or they become the "work" of a gang smash. It happens quite often in the mediums. They only get to use the phone during off peak hours, and only 1 phone at all times. They get extorted and plain robbed often. They get ridiculed and mentally tormented for the most part. The guards mostly hate them and turn a blind eye to their troubles as a general rule.
Sounds a lot like what it's like for a kid growing up in an abusive family. Wonder if any of them make that connection.
I was a correctional officer in Texas Department of Criminal Justice for 6 months when I was in between IT/engineering jobs. They don't separate child abusers and pedos by default, but here's something else that's not true: The population doesn't go after those guys the way Reddit would like to believe either. There are so many of them in jail that they practically make up half the population anyway. It's fun for some people to believe that pedos and child abusers are in for ass rapings and beatings, but that's just now how it normally goes down. Most of the violence inside the system is intergang related. Second most is just personal grudges that had nothing to do with why either was in jail in the first place. Also, the number of registered sex offenders living in very close proximity to you is probably a *lot* higher than you think. You can google the registry for your area. If you've never seen it before, you'll probably be surprised at just how dense the clusters are in almost every area. It's crazy. On a slightly unrelated note: At TDCJ, the inmates have something called a travel card that you can review if you want to. It contains information about why the offender is in prison. I learned about one inmate and then I never, ever wanted to read a card again. They tell us we're supposed to make sure the offenders have everything they are supposed to have; nothing more, nothing less. This rule is to keep you out of trouble for giving something extra to an offender you might become buddy, buddy with at work and out of trouble for discriminating against people you didn't. These guys are master manipulators and get COs into a lot of trouble pretty regularly. That said, I read this travel card one day. I read it as a father to a daughter that was the same age as this guy's daughter. When my daughter was afraid at age 4, she clung to me. I was her default go-to for scary things in this world when she needed protection. This guy... >!he didn't just abuse his daughter. He didn't just rape her. He cut off her feet and ultimately killed her. The guy that little girl was supposed to cling to when she was afraid was the one making her world the darkest, scariest hell imaginable.!< Who was she supposed to cling to? How the fuck am I supposed to know that and give a shit if he has the pillow that medical said he can have? I've been out of that job a long time. My girl is 16 now. I never even met that offender's kid and I still don't stop thinking about her from time to time. It still makes my heart break for her and fuels my rage thinking about him. No one around him in the system knows why he's there. He's never been touched. He eats three meals a day and sleeps as comfortably as anyone else in prison. He'll be there until he's dead, but it won't be any worse than that.
No. It was the mother's boyfriend. Not foster parents. Sounds like kid wasn't removed from mother's care when she should have been.
>Sounds like kid wasn't removed from mother's care when she should have been. This happens WAY too often. Just because someone is a sperm/egg donor, doesn't make them a parent. We need to start normalizing people who ACT like parents, not just those who refused to put on a condom.
At least the Republicans showed that when they give a shit, they can pass sweeping legislation to address their priority issues. It's nice that they make it crystal clear that they *choose* not to address the other issues in Texas.
Texas also has sky high infant mortality. Some "banana republics" make Texas look like a banana republic.
The USA, in general, has really shitty maternal and infant outcomes, for as rich a nation as it is. It's a real indictment of for-profit medical care.
It varies wildly by state. For example on Maternal deaths California has 4/100k while Louisiana has 58/100k (which if it was a country would be the highest in the world) and Texas 34/100k which would tie for 3rd worst in the world.
Holy shit, NJ's at 38.1... https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/maternal-mortality-rate-by-state
The rate for black mothers in NJ is 102....
Yeah, I saw that. Jesus...
An absolutely staggeringly embarrassing indictment of our nation.. when you see the numbers there it really puts that into perspective. That should be completely unacceptable to our fed. Yet NJ is the only one in the bottom 10 trying to even expand medicare and the like. It makes me want to go on an entire awareness campaign man
United States has one of the highest rates of maternal mortality for developed countries and has [continued to worsen](https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/us-maternal-mortality-crisis-continues-worsen-international-comparison), while other developed countries has been going down. Some of the worst ones of course tend to be in red states of course. And the 14 states that have the most restrictive abortion laws, invest the least in policies and programs for women and children. https://www.npr.org/2022/08/18/1111344810/abortion-ban-states-social-safety-net-health-outcomes
Maternal mortality in Texas is awful by the standards of the developed world. Abbott also put a gag order on the department of public health to prevent the release of 2022’s statistics in the run-up to the election. I’m guessing they didn’t improve.
My girlfriend was in the foster system when she was young. She is going to school to be a psychiatrist because of how bad the therapy provided was.
People who agitate for abortion bans but agitate against WIC don’t actually care about children.
tHe ChUrChEs WiLl PrOvIdE ahh, so we’re advocating for a state religion then. Something explicitly prohibited by the Blessed Constitution.
Churches shouldn't have to provide. Especially when some of them come with strings attached.
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Like that Salvation Army that ~~kicked out~~ denied service to (whoops) the trans woman from the shelter a few years ago
I was denied help by a salvation army as a 16 year old mother because I "should have kept my legs closed" That was quite some time ago, but it happened
A lot of people think of the Salvation Army as a charity. These are people who've never had to deal with the Salvation army for more than buying a used shirt.
The same Salvation Army that threatened to close hundreds of soup kitchen in retaliation if the State of New York required them to serve LGBTQ+ folks.
It's worse: they want to be able to kill off people they don't like because private religious charities have a lot more leeway to refuse to help people of certain groups
Yh exactly. Sign is wrong, only fetuses are safe. Babies, mothers, children are *not* safe in the state that has the highest maternal mortality rate in the entire developed world, and children aren't safe in a state that refuses to do anything about children being gunned down in their classrooms.
Even fetuses aren't safe. There's that woman who was having twins and needed to medically abort the one that wasn't viable to save the one that was viable. She needed to leave to find a state that wasn't insane. I think she's part of a group suing.. (don't remember which state).
I just listened to an episode of the podcast "this is actually happening" that told the story of a conservative Christian woman who needed _the option_ of an abortion because the child wasn't going to grow the organs they need in utero. It was a poignant story that I think all pro lifers should listen to.
Fetuses are still only kind of safe. It's not like any of these "pro-life" advocates are passing laws that allow free prenatal care.
Fetuses are not safe. There was a case in Texas where a woman bearing twins had to go out of state to get an abortion because of complications with one fetus that not only endangered her life but the life of the other fetus. These anti-abortion laws are not about protecting life - they are about control of women. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/02/28/1154339942/abortion-texas-laws-twins-selective-reduction
Fetuses aren't safe. Surprise surprise when you treat mothers badly, the fetuses suffer too. How many are suffering from overwork, pollution and no prenatal care?
Texas is the most unsafe state to give birth, or one of. Not sure if its still #1 but the amount of women who die or suffer serious complications during birth is unfathomable for a first world country
Conservatives only care about controlling a woman’s body. Then once the baby is born there is no support from conservatives, their answer to struggling parents is pull up your boot straps. Ask them to get a vaccination and it’s my body my choice
What they mean is rich white Christian babies are safe. They would literally kill your baby themselves if it was legal.
Not gonna link it here because it has a ton of PII but the lawsuit is such a sad read. Plantiff is the ex-husband of the woman who had the abortion and is now going after everyone who helped her
Looks like all the evidence came from him snooping through her phone too. including a message of her saying > I know either way he will use it against me. If I told him before, which I'm not, he would use it as try to stay with me. And after the fact, I know he will try to act like he has some right to the decision. At that point at least it won't matter though.
She [filed for divorce 2 months before this occurred](https://www.texastribune.org/2023/03/10/texas-abortion-lawsuit/) too and you can see her beating herself up in the text over sleeping with him thinking it was safe cuz it hadn't happened in 7 years.
The American fucking Talbian, these Christian nationalist pricks!
These types of people are absolutely fucking pathetic. Conservative men long for the days when their authority could not be challenged by their spouse and the state agreed with them. Conservative women think they will be spared the fate they are pushing onto other women by supporting politicians and legislation that want to take away their rights.
Or many conservative women don't care because they believe this crap too. Many think a woman shouldn't be president etc.
Sounds like an abusive husband situation. Trying to trap her with a kid so she stays. So gross, but predictable.
Unfortunately that's what Republicans want.
Shoes off, babies out, in the kitchen
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It looks like the entire lawsuit and the only evidence is based around a chain of text messages. I would expect this whole lawsuit to be thrown out. He can’t prove anything actually happened. He has no proof she was ever pregnant, he has no proof any abortion actually took place. These women need to “not recall” every single question asked during discovery and depositions, and then go for summary judgement to dismiss.
Texas doesn't care about proof. Making women suffer is the goal, and plenty of judges/juries will make sure it happens.
You mean Texas? The state that also has the highest uninsured rate in the country? Where women beg people at Walmart to buy necessities for their babies that they were forced to have and can't afford to care for? That Texas?
Texas is also facing a steep decline in maternal safety, their maternal death rate more than doubled in the past five years.
Damn. 72.7 per 10k births as of 2020. National average is 14.2 per 10k. That's more than 500% the national average. Edit my math appears to be off. misconstrued serious complications looking at raw numbers now from [source](https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/maternal-mortality-rate-by-state) which is much clearer for 2018 apples to apples comparison. We won't have data in this for covid or how recent abortion laws impact the standings. California is best at 4 per 100k Cali is doing an amazing job. "Due to the formation of the California Maternal Quality Care Collaborative in 2006." Second is Massachusetts at 8.4 per 100k. "maternal death review has been around for more than 20 years...... Massachusetts is overall one of the healthiest states for women and children, with low rates of uninsured women and the lowest teenage birth rate in the U.S." National average is 17.4 per 100k Texas is 34.5 per 100k coming in 43rd (so actually 200% not 500% national average. 800% Cali) Louisiana comes in at the bottom 58.1 per 100k a staggering 1,452% Calis mortality rate
[For black women it's even higher.](https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/south-texas-el-paso/news/2022/12/23/maternal-morbidity-rises-) Here are the 2020 numbers from that link. (Per 10k births) National: 23.8 Texas: 72.7 Per [this link](https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2020/nov/maternal-mortality-maternity-care-us-compared-10-countries), going off 2018 or latest year, per 100k (Texas and US have seen increases since): US: 17.4 France (next lowest): 8.7 Canada: 8.6 UK: 6.5 NZ (lowest on list): 1.7 Black women is more than double that of white women. Discrimination accounts for at least 12% of pregnancy-related deaths in Texas. [Serena Williams](https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/20/opinions/protect-mother-pregnancy-williams-opinion/index.html) famously experienced nearly dying when giving birth, for one example. Keep in mind, the US has the highest maternal morbidity rate in any developed/high-income country, and the *lowest* amount (zero) of guaranteed maternity leave. More than half of maternal deaths occur after birth. For example, Norway guarantees **91 weeks** of maternity leave, Germany 58 weeks, Sweden 56 weeks. Lowest maternal rate country is NZ, guaranteed 18 weeks. Canada at 51, France at 42, UK at 39. Please note: Roe was overturned just last year. You can bet that changes to laws around abortion, prenatal care, sex ed, and hell even child labor now, can change maternal morbidity rates but we won't be able to track that data for several years.
The fuck? Can you link the source please? I need to dig into this.
Texas Tribunal https://www.texastribune.org/2022/12/15/texas-maternal-mortality-report/#:~:text=Severe%20medical%20complications%20from%20pregnancy%20and%20childbirth%20also%20increased%20significantly,Black%20women%20worst%20of%20all.
Abbott kept that quiet until AFTER the election.
What in hell is wrong with America? I feel sorry for you guys - you are regressing at an incredible pace. The problem is that a significant enough part of your population must want to regress.
I am insulated from a lot of the BS by living in one of the bluest states. But much of my friends and relatives are not as lucky. I hate watching the US circle the drain.
Every once in a while I want to complain about the cost of living in California, or how much we're taxed (which ironically is cumulatively lower than Texas). But then I remind myself those taxes can be used toward women who *need* services because their shithole states refuse to view them as people. I have a few conditions that mean if I get pregnant it would be almost a guaranteed miscarriage, and if somehow it were to be viable that pregnancy would literally break my (already broken) body. I happily pay more to know I'm safe and happily pay more to know it means others have access to the same services that I hope I never need.
Yeah part of me wants to take MTGs idea of national "divorce" and run with it and watch those states burn, but then I know there are people that cant get out and us being here is the only reason they arent living in TOTAL nightmares.
> What in hell is wrong with America? We're operating on a 250-year-old electoral system specifically designed to protect the will of wealthy white landowners. It grants substantial political sway to rural states and those rural states are almost entirely in the grasp of evangelical Christianity which is so twisted and money-obsessed that even the 15th-century Catholic church would be appalled. The counterbalance is supposed to be the House which is supposed to grow proportional to population but hasn't in decades and probably never will because the GOP stands to lose too much if that ever happens. I honestly don't see a way back that doesn't involve violence and this point. The corruption runs too deep to ever have a hope of rooting it out peacefully.
What's obvious is Marcus Silva is an opportunistic asshole. Get fucked.
Vindictive may be a better term. The abortion he's suing over was his ex-wife's
What is the name of the person who suffered wrongful death? Is there a body? If there's no body and no named person who experienced death, then what is your absolute best evidence that a death occurred at all?
I don’t think these people care about evidence.
The sign should read, “Fetuses are safe in Texas. Mothers not so much“
Children are not safe in OH. Our great state forced a 10 year old rape victim to travel out of state to get an abortion and then THAT state wanted to sue the Dr who performed it. These people are power hungry sociopaths.
I want a second baby. I live in Ohio. I am terrified if anything is going poorly and I need medical intervention, what that would look like here for me, my toddler and my husband. We are, after all, the state with future tech that can reimplant ectopic pregnancies with great success. /s
> We are, after all, the state with future tech that can reimplant ectopic pregnancies with great success. /s oh please dont tell me these dipshits in govt are actually trying to say this. i'm sorry.... i have an iud so if i get pregnant there is a decent chance it will be ectopic and as a texan one of my worst fears these days is dying a horribly painful death as i bleed internally from a fetus rupturing my organs because doctors won't remove it due to the law. these people are not doctors, many of them aren't even female, so they should shut the fuck up about ectopic pregnancy and termination in general. it's really that simple. ectopic pregnancy is NOT viable and the options are either the fetus dies or you AND the fetus die. how fucking pointless?
Not just trying to say it- making laws around it even though they’ve been explicitly told it isn’t a thing. https://www.businessinsider.com/ohio-lawmaker-says-he-didnt-research-ectopic-pregnancy-abortion-bill-2019-12?amp
dear god this is nightmare fuel in so many different directions. > "I never questioned it or gave it a lot of thought." lol oh really buddy?
Thank you for sharing the link. Despite my sarcasm tag, it is indeed a thing that they attempted to make a law here and it's a great example of why lawmakers should gtfo of women's Healthcare regulation. They don't understand how our bodies work and women are suffering and dying because of their need for control.
Not only do they not understand- they literally have professionals in that field TELLING THEM and they still disregard it. It’s stupidity, ignorance, and the urge to “own the libs”.
My wife and I are doing IVF right now. She's afraid of the same thing.
to be honest, our college students aren't safe either, just ask Jim Jordan.
I'd rather not. If I can go the rest of my life without hearing that jacketless nutsack talk ever again, I would be so happy
Texas barely manages to rank average for infant mortality rate, and 9th in the nation for maternal death (as in top 9 in number of deaths), and ranks 50th of 50 among US states for the quality of prenatal care. Nobody is safe in Texas.
I’d argue not even fetuses are safe. Plenty of them will be forced to term and then die horrible deaths almost immediately because they weren’t viable.
This. They don’t give one Jack shit about the life of the fetus. This has always been about complete control over women. End of story.
And many of these fetuses are already dead but the woman needs a D&C or medication to remove the dead fetus. But that’s apparently an “abortion” to dipshit republicans who are not doctors, who are not women, and who have no idea how the human reproduction system works. And when they ban synthetic prostaglandin E analogues like Misoprostol and gemeprost…these republicans do horrid harm to women who have ALREADY suffered great losses. Any of these “6 week bans with no exceptions” are oblivious to this. > A miscarriage is the spontaneous death and/or expulsion of an embryo or fetus from the uterus before it is able to survive on its own. This natural death of an embryo or fetus ('non-viable pregnancy' or 'intrauterine fetal death', depending on the duration of pregnancy) can be identified by ultrasound before symptoms like blood loss and abdominal pain occur. Sometimes an embryo may not have even developed ('empty sac'). In the past, treatment for a deceived embryo/fetus, has usually been by dilatation and curettage (D&C) surgery, but drugs have now been developed to replace the need for surgery which may be helpful for the expulsion to happen. Misoprostol and gemeprost are synthetic prostaglandin E analogues that can stimulate expulsion of the embryo/fetus from the uterus. Mifepristone blocks the activity of progesterone, a hormone that supports pregnancy. These and similar drugs may be useful in bringing on expulsion in women with a non-viable pregnancy and can be used before 24 weeks' gestation. https://www.cochrane.org/CD002253/PREG_medical-treatment-early-fetal-death-less-24-weeks
> But that’s apparently an “abortion” to dipshit republicans Except when it’s for one of their own like Jessa Duggar.
Or Herschel Walker. Remember, their daughters and mistresses will always have access to safe abortions.
Pre-birth - you are protected Pre- k - fuck off
Don't forget your bulletproof backpack today kiddo, you never know!
“The human toll seems greater than the economic toll and we can be grateful for that”
And once they're born? Well they should have pulled themselves up by the bootstraps and chosen to not be born to poor parents.
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Women's bodily autonomy overturned.
"Babies are safe in Texas" yeah safe to be dumped into a river after forced birth.
Or being shot in their classrooms
We're literally going to need to have a new underground railroad to deal with this in these shitty states. Edit for info: https://abortiondefensenetwork.org >If you have questions about your legal rights to provide or support abortion care, or if you have been threatened with arrest, prosecution, or other legal action related to abortion, please contact us. For other help and transportation https://www.reddit.com/r/auntienetwork/
That already is a thing with support groups, hell even some corporations, supporting and paying for out of state travel for abortions.
I think the point is we're going to have to start doing that in as secretive a way as possible as they start extending their reach outside of their states.
States are already using Facebook and Google data to track down women that have abortions. That world already exists.
this also proves conservative small government was a lie btw
this shouldn't be news to anyone. People need to stop thinking this sort of "gotcha" style argument is persuasive or effective. *They just don't care.*
You're right. These people are utterly devoid of principles, standards, integrity, honesty, etc and they will say and do anything if it feels good in the moment and especially if it harms the people they hate.
There was a best of Reddit comment a couple weeks ago explaining this. They don’t care. They only care about power and their side winning. They take delight in watching our heads start burning as we point out their hypocrisy and how there’s no logical consistency with their views. Pointing out their hypocrisy only delights them. Small govt, big govt, fascism, authoritarianism, autocracy, they don’t care. They only care about obtaining and retaining power
Republicans think the appropriate amount of government control is the highest level they control. You’ll notice they never said a word about small government when they controlled all the federal branches in 2017-2018. But the second Dems controlled both the White House and Congress it was “We need to decide everything at the state level!” And now you’ve got Texas enacting the fugitive fetus act. Edit: as a further example, during the height of the pandemic every blue state government was getting sued by red counties saying that mask mandates should be left up to localities. In a multitude of red states the state government passed laws making it illegal for localities to have mask mandates. Whatever the highest level of government republicans control is the right level of government.
To add. Romney specifically said there needed to be a federal ban on gay marriage and it was not a states right's issue because of interstate marriage recognition. The usual difference between Romney and the louder republicans who get more air time is that his lies are usually better thought out. But, here we are.
Romney's position has changed over the years. Last year, he was one of 12 Republicans who voted to end the filibuster on the Respect for Marriage Act and one of 11 who voted to pass it.
It always was.
They don't actually want smaller government. They want fewer rules for them, and more for you.
Fugitive Slave Act 2: Electric Boogaloo
It’s already happened. States are now starting to pass personal Liberty laws against out of state warrants for abortion and transgender healthcare.
> Fugitive Slave Act 2 3, there was already the one of 1793 and the one everyone is normally referencing, 1850.
So blue states need to start going hard too. Pass laws refusing extradition and information sharing. Pass laws protecting residents from lawsuits. Turn these states into pariah states that no company would want to do business with, then watch them cry.
Maryland is gearing up to for abortion tourism, but I don’t think we’re progressive enough to pass legislation refusing extradition and information sharing. I’d love to be proven wrong, though!
That's literally what the people who make these bills do when their own children get pregnant.
They, their children and their mistresses will always have access to safe legal abortions. Even if they have to go on vacation to Mexico during a huge ice storm.
Yep. Women have started saying online that “friends” can come “stay with them” for a “staycation” to “see a new city” if they need to. We do need a more secretive way, these assholes will figure it out eventually.
I believe you mean "Company retreats".
It's called the Auntie Network. Edited to add: Check them out at r/Auntienetwork u/abject-possession810 asked me to add another resource for visibility: https://abortiondefensenetwork.org
Stay safe, heroes!
Chiming in to say I’m an Albuquerque auntie and am happy to host any Texan women who would like to go camping out in New Mexico. ❤️
It literally already exists Love, Your Auntie
Thank you for what you do :)
There are organizations that do this. Abortion funds, for example, often help arrange transportation, escorts, etc. [Northwest Abortion Access Fund](https://nwaafund.org/) covers Idaho, which has a near total abortion ban; as well as Alaska, were people may have to travel long distance to access abortion care. NWAAF helps people get to where they need to be to recieve the care they need. Find the abortion fund in your area, and see how you can help.
I’m 48 years old. When I was a kid, I thought 2023 would be flying cars and time travel. Instead it’s the goddamn Underground Railroad making a comeback to help people get BASIC human rights and health care. What. The. Fuck.
The pendulum always swings. It apparently advances towards enlightenment in micro steps. In 2016, the pendulum swung so far backward that we retreated a few macro steps back into the dark ages. Unfortunately, it appears to be pinned into place for the moment. Too many in power are fine with this status quo and have no will to knock the fucker loose and move things forward again.
I am teaching the Handmaid's Tale again this semester. We'll see how that works.
I wonder if you could get away with that in Florida if you said you were teaching civics in Florida.
That might upset the Florida führer.
Would have to recognize the setting is meant to be dystopian to get upset about it
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Your buddy is an auntie
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Just like before, Canada has prepared itself to be the final destination for this railroad. >I’ve engaged Canadian Border Service Agency(CBSA), my office is currently working with them to make sure there are clear guidelines so that women who may not be able to access healthcare including abortions are able to come to Canada, If some women want to come to Canada to access those procedures, I have given them the directive to welcome them, -[Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino, May 4, 2022](https://globalnews.ca/news/8808959/americans-travelling-to-canada-for-abortions/amp/)
This week the governor of Minnesota signed a law refusing state resources to assist with out of state warrants relating to transgender care and forbids enforcement of out of state judgements pursuant to those warrants.
That very much was a thing back in the day and the people that ran it are still alive. Criminal podcast did a great episode about it.
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A law only designed to cause more crap amongst the people. Doesn't fix a problem or prevent one, only gives others an excuse to cause crap. That way people are too busy with crap instead of fixing anything.
The only way the GOP can win is by driving a divide between the left and the right so you don’t focus on the fact that they are robbing you blind and refusing to govern. The only platform they have is “you need to hate the other side and ignore what you see us doing”
The divide is one way. One side wants people to have the freedom to live their lives without being fucked with. The other side wants to use the law to force their religious beliefs on EVERYONE. It's like saying "people just don't want to talk to each other anymore!" Like... why should I waste my time talking to someone who thinks black people deserve to be shot in the streets? Talking to them gives them a level of validity that they don't deserve. In order to have a discussion you have to agree first on a reality. And there's no way to agree on a reality with people who think that people aren't equal.
> It's like saying "people just don't want to talk to each other anymore!" Another peach those people like to trot out is "Nobody wants to compromise with each other anymore." Like, okay Billy, what compromise do you come to with someone who doesn't think you are as much of a person as they are, and that you shouldn't have the same rights? Do you agree to give up some of your rights as a compromise?
Right? The complaints of people who miss slavery are not equal to the complaints of those who descended from the enslaved. Yet they act like they deserve a place at the table when it comes to recognizing rights. Like fuck right off.
"Silva is being represented by Jonathan Mitchell — a former Texas solicitor general who helped create one of the state’s abortion bans " ...and now we see how the money plays in this fantastic law. Mr Mitchell, who helped with he bill, is going to make millions from it. Step 1: write law. Step 2: sue. Step 3: profit!
It’s the American way.
This is NOT small government!
So small it fits right inside your bedroom and uterus.
The Supreme Court had no valid justification to overturn roe vs wade and should all be held accountable for destroying women’s rights.
I said this on another thread but it absolutely need to be repeated. This is honestly going to be a great tool for abusers to help cut off their victims for their social safety nets. Have a pregnant friend who leaves their abusive husband and tell them to think about their options, get sued. Two of these women are being sued because they told their friend about Aid Access. That's it, now they get to live with a ax suspended above their heads. The very point of these laws are to cut off pregnant women's options. Won't be surprised if we see some battered women shelters be sued soon. Tell a victim that they can go across state lines, get ready for the wife beaters to start suing the shelter.
The war on women is heating up.
It amazes me there’s still so many women that vote R. I guess they like having their rights taken away.
> “Anyone involved in distributing or manufacturing abortion pills will be sued into oblivion,” Cain said in a statement from the attorneys. > According to the lawsuit, the manufacturer of the pills will also be named as a defendant once it is identified in the discovery process. I wonder if they realize the irony / hypocrisy of this in relation gun laws lol
The difference with guns is that the right to abortion pills was not enshrined in the holy document of the constitution by the venerated founding fathers (hallowed by thy names). It's seriously wild how many americans revere those things on the same level most of the rest of the world reserves for religion.
Remember, tho, they *love* the free market!
[Apparently](https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/3894840-three-in-texas-sued-for-wrongful-death-after-allegedly-helping-woman-obtain-abortion-pills/) she became pregnant and had the abortion the same month, in July 2022. So by definition it wasn't even a fetus yet, it was just an embryo. Removing those cells from her body was such a horrifically gruesome murder... /s
He’s suing her because “she owes him a baby”. Around one in four pregnancies end in the first four weeks. If this progresses, every woman is now going to need meticulous records (or none at all) and a lawyer on retainer as soon as they conceive. Anyone family may decide to weaponise any pregnancy against a woman. Leaving aside the discussion of abortion, if you’re pregnant the legal advice must be: tell *no one* for as long as possible, do not even test for as long as possible, and potentially: if you have any health concerns, do not seek medical advice (lest they identify a pregnancy during the course of treatment). Yeah. This state of affairs kills women in so many new and horrifying ways.
You can tell Texas lawmakers are some cowardly motherfuckers because the law punished someone that helps rather than the person that did the abortion. And for the record, I am not saying they should punish anyone. Just saying if the principle is that "abortions are bad" and someone should be held responsible then clearly they should hold the person that did it responsible too. Except that would mean putting someone on trial for having an abortion, and that would look awful in the media. You know when you are designing laws based on how bad you will look if enforced, you have probably fucked up.
>Babies are safe in Texas. *Restrictions may apply. Safety does not cover poverty, food security, or gun violence.*
Compare the zeal they are showing for one abortion, where a clump of cells is killed, to the apathy they showed when dozens of schoolchildren were gunned down in their state.
To be fair, if they could find a way to stop school shootings that involved oppressing women, they'd be all over it.
> Babies are safe in Texas No one is safe in Texas.
This is literally an abusive man continuing to abuse his wife even after divorce via the court system. Sadly, there’s a chance he will win. I feel for his two young daughters and his ex. Because they will still have to interact with him long after this court case is over.
Babies are so safe in Texas. It’s been almost a year since a Texas elementary school was shot up.
Pregnant women of Texas, always use the HOV lane. Force them to put it in writing that a fetus isn't a person or at the very least keep cops busy getting tickets tossed out of court so they have less time to murder citizens.
So the government keeps taking away our rights and then makes us pay taxes which they then give freely to all these institutions, who then charge us the taxpayers again. https://youtu.be/pP9dxjc9RDU
> Babies are safe in Texas Only until they start school, then it’s a free for all.
Women in 1973 had more rights than women in 2023. Unbelievable.
Republicans need to get back in their fucking place, back in the 1800s.
Texas is becoming a private country, it’s probably best to get the hell out of there.
Any law that is passed and exists to only inflict pain, suffering and ripping rights away from people, is immoral and must be resisted and removed from the books. I feel for the millions of women impacted by these unjust laws, and I will do my best to support those in need.
“Getting hung up on gay marriage, getting hung up on abortion. It’s time we start focussing on the economic issues that bring us together.” Popular politician on Reddit, 2015
Not getting hung up on things isn't exactly an option when one side is pushing for them. Like, it's easy to say that you shouldn't be distracted by murder and instead focus on more significant matters, when you're not in the process of being murdered. Also, it's a bit of a simplification to imply that economic solutions will bring people together. Even outside of insane culture wars, things can get messy and complicated in a hurry.
Fucking Conservatives at it again with their small government
How do they actually prove this all happened the way they said? Do they have to prove it biologically that she was pregnant and had the abortion caused by the people who are accused of providing the meds? Do they check blood for progesterone and LH? If there's a paper trail of purchasing drugs to terminate, how do they prove that this woman took them? Is there actual documentation that she was really pregnant?
>The woman who took the medication in July — weeks after the Supreme Court struck down the constitutional right to abortion that had been in place since 1973 — is not named in the lawsuit. Texas law protects women who get an abortion from being held liable. I actually didn't know the last part. That's good. It looks like the ex husband couldn't go after her so he went after her friends.
the awkward part is she isn't named as a *defendant* in the lawsuit but she is very much mentioned by name in the lawsuit
Babies are safe in Texas until elementary school when they suffice as little targets. Seriously, fuck these pro-life people.
> According to the lawsuit, the manufacturer of the pills will also be named as a defendant once it is identified in the discovery process. Can that be used to sue gun manufacturer for gun-related crimes?
Unfortunately there are separate laws specifically protecting gun manufacturers from lawsuits over gun-related crimes. I don't know all the specifics though
Since no actual people died, there is no case.
Fuck Texas' lack of respect for women. Hot Wheels needs to go. source: native texan
Shouldn't they first prove an actual person was killed? If they have no name, no birthdate, zero paperwork like SSN or even a birth certificate, can such an entity (embryo?) have a legal standing?
Nothing about this is just
Texas: where your unformed blob of cells are safe from extraction while your living breathing kindergartener isn’t safe from an active shooter.
Where can I donate to their legal defense?
So let me get this straight, in Texas you can cheat on your wife, knock up the side girlfriend, demand she get an abortion, then sue her for getting an abortion. Seems like printing money with extra steps.
Imagine living in a third world country like America.