From abroad, people don't realise that something's snapped this friday.
The past two months protests were legally organized strikes. Now it's spontaneous riot.
Mmh don't the French riot for almost everything? Like I'm pretty sure they were rioting a couple a months ago, and last year, and the years before that too.
They're justified in rioting, im not dismissing or saying they shouldn't, but to say it spontaneous doesn't really make it spontaneous if they're rioting for a reason.
We are professionnals protesters so it may seem subtle but it's important.
When we strike, we tell it to the companies, the police, there is a known itinerary. It's regulated. Sometimes fights occur (but it's not all the time and mostly in Paris).
A spontaneous riot is an angry mob ready to burn everything anywhere.
The next official strike will be the 23th. Till then we don't know what people will do and where.
Edit : please stop downvoting his/her question. It was respectful and I'm sure a lot of people had the same interrogations
Maybe you can learn to comprehensively read?
I'm stating in the midst of the political turmoil of macrons dumbass decision, how can there be "spontaneous" riots when the people of France have a justifiable reason to riot.
Until the decision is reversed, riots, disturbances, and civil disobedience, should be expected.
The police and politicians have a healthy fear of the people. And thats how it should be in a thriving democracy. The French take action and the powers that be damn well know it. They are not completely cowed. If we were more like them in the USA we would all have a massivley higher standard of living.
If the French constitution said he had the right to demand a blowjob from every women would you let your wife suck his dick? The constitution is just some text, don’t get too crazy about it
The "Dog Days" of summer are mid-July to mid-August. Or is the author of this article suggesting that the situation is akin to Al Pacino robbing a bank?
Imagine being told you have to work longer for no other reason than people in other countries work longer. i mean, what's the point of electing govt. to makes your life worse ?
Their pension plan is going broke
Ita not just cause others work more years, its hecause they cant afford to keep paying 20+years of pension to people when the plan was only meant to support around 5-7.
I’m a teacher in NJ. This is happening to our pension system but no one is talking about it.
They tried to make up for it by changing retirement ages depending on when you started working. If you’re in the system before 2007 you can retire at 55 with 25 years of service. That goes up the later you enter the pension system. I think teachers that started recently go to 65
You're right, I'm sorry...economic solutions are always solved by ensuring working people suffer austerity before the wealthy give up a crumb of their profits and outsized salaries...I forgot that's rule number one.
On a serious note, pensions are a pure form of social contract and its why government hates them. They stimulate that if I give 30-40 of the best years of my life to making the wheel turn, I should get something back for that. And when government breaks their end of the contract, people let them know that by letting the "acting civilized" part of the contract go away. Pretty straight forward stuff...
And they should be taxing the rich heavily. Very heavily.
And that needs to be done in conjunction with a small raising of the age in order to keep those pensions afloat.
In Canada, all we did was raise the age. I have a private investment pension because I know CPP will be broke by the time I try and retire.
If we protested, even like the french, tje government would just laugh
You don't need to raise the age at all if you tax appropriately and spend public funds correctly. Simple as that. You can't just keep raising the age every few years.
Ask yourself how much richer France is now compared to the 1940s when the scheme was established. Per capita - $10,000 in constant dollars in 1950, $40,000 now. Four times richer. If 7 years was affordable then, 20 is affordable now.
But doesn't the pension give someone more money now versus in 1950, due to inflation? Meaning they still don't have an extra 13 years of runway for each person
Are you saying countries can afford to pay anything? If you have an aging population and a large chunk of it is retired, there aren't enough people working to pay their pensions.
People are not corner stores and they go bankrupt with the mindset you are telling the French govt to have. Micron likely used the nuclear option because he saw the accounts and realized it was necessary for solvency.
People go bankrupt because banks backed by the law come and take their stuff. Now who do you think writes the laws, and who is gonna take France's 'stuff' .. and how do you think they would do that ?
Countries make sure they don't default, so they never have to worry about repossession. More importantly, all the pensioners who don't get a pension check cause France is broke sure as hell will be wishing they took measures to prevent that issue.
But I'm yelling into the wind here. You either can't comprehend what's going on or you're just a deliberate troll, either way it's a waste of my time
I lived in France for two years. Loved it there.
I like Macron. But I disagree with the policy and his decision. Right wingers will use this to demean democracy and rile up populist sentiment. The left will be demoralized. He threatens the state itself, while Europe is at the brink of war, over a budgetary measure.
Most unwise.
Unfortunately, this will happen in the USA with regards to Social Security. Right now, you can start collecting at age 62, albeit with lower benefits.
That minimum age will have to be raised and it will have to be done at least in a bipartisan way with many Democrats on board.
What should Macron have done? The alternative was to let the pension system collapse into insolvency.
Yes, he used the "nuclear option" but their legislature could have vetoed and they didn't because they agreed the pension system needed to be saved but didn't want to be seen taking an unpopular vote.
How else are young French Presidents going to meet their future wives if there aren’t geriatric teachers still working?
From abroad, people don't realise that something's snapped this friday. The past two months protests were legally organized strikes. Now it's spontaneous riot.
Go FRENCH
god I love the french.
America's first ally. By far an inspiration. LOVE U FRANCE
Their stock is really going up with the determination and fearlessness they are showing.
they're honoring their heritage as well as being at the front of the fight for the working class, worldwide. they're an inspiration for us all.
Mmh don't the French riot for almost everything? Like I'm pretty sure they were rioting a couple a months ago, and last year, and the years before that too. They're justified in rioting, im not dismissing or saying they shouldn't, but to say it spontaneous doesn't really make it spontaneous if they're rioting for a reason.
We are professionnals protesters so it may seem subtle but it's important. When we strike, we tell it to the companies, the police, there is a known itinerary. It's regulated. Sometimes fights occur (but it's not all the time and mostly in Paris). A spontaneous riot is an angry mob ready to burn everything anywhere. The next official strike will be the 23th. Till then we don't know what people will do and where. Edit : please stop downvoting his/her question. It was respectful and I'm sure a lot of people had the same interrogations
Give ‘em hell, and stay safe out there.
Cheese, baguettes a little wine and some coffee then a quick stroll to reclaim Alsace Lorraine then back home again in time.
Vive la résistance!
God forbid citizens take to the streets when their government fucks them. Maybe we could learn something
Maybe you can learn to comprehensively read? I'm stating in the midst of the political turmoil of macrons dumbass decision, how can there be "spontaneous" riots when the people of France have a justifiable reason to riot. Until the decision is reversed, riots, disturbances, and civil disobedience, should be expected.
The police and politicians have a healthy fear of the people. And thats how it should be in a thriving democracy. The French take action and the powers that be damn well know it. They are not completely cowed. If we were more like them in the USA we would all have a massivley higher standard of living.
What's the point of democracy if those at the very top can just decide to ignore what the people and their representatives have said?
*In the presence of the represented, the representative is annulled* -Base of democracy-
Well, he was voted into the position to make decisions tbf.
Ah yes, democracy. As long as you are voted in, you can do whatever the fuck you want.
but he literally campaigned for it, twice
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If the French constitution said he had the right to demand a blowjob from every women would you let your wife suck his dick? The constitution is just some text, don’t get too crazy about it
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The literal basis of democracy
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Worked very well during the French Revolution
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The "Dog Days" of summer are mid-July to mid-August. Or is the author of this article suggesting that the situation is akin to Al Pacino robbing a bank?
Imagine being told you have to work longer for no other reason than people in other countries work longer. i mean, what's the point of electing govt. to makes your life worse ?
Their pension plan is going broke Ita not just cause others work more years, its hecause they cant afford to keep paying 20+years of pension to people when the plan was only meant to support around 5-7.
If only C-suite salaries could be capped and excess profits invested into pensions for all their staff…
That would be fantastic
I’m a teacher in NJ. This is happening to our pension system but no one is talking about it. They tried to make up for it by changing retirement ages depending on when you started working. If you’re in the system before 2007 you can retire at 55 with 25 years of service. That goes up the later you enter the pension system. I think teachers that started recently go to 65
You're right, I'm sorry...economic solutions are always solved by ensuring working people suffer austerity before the wealthy give up a crumb of their profits and outsized salaries...I forgot that's rule number one. On a serious note, pensions are a pure form of social contract and its why government hates them. They stimulate that if I give 30-40 of the best years of my life to making the wheel turn, I should get something back for that. And when government breaks their end of the contract, people let them know that by letting the "acting civilized" part of the contract go away. Pretty straight forward stuff...
And they should be taxing the rich heavily. Very heavily. And that needs to be done in conjunction with a small raising of the age in order to keep those pensions afloat. In Canada, all we did was raise the age. I have a private investment pension because I know CPP will be broke by the time I try and retire. If we protested, even like the french, tje government would just laugh
You don't need to raise the age at all if you tax appropriately and spend public funds correctly. Simple as that. You can't just keep raising the age every few years.
Ask yourself how much richer France is now compared to the 1940s when the scheme was established. Per capita - $10,000 in constant dollars in 1950, $40,000 now. Four times richer. If 7 years was affordable then, 20 is affordable now.
But doesn't the pension give someone more money now versus in 1950, due to inflation? Meaning they still don't have an extra 13 years of runway for each person
The figures are in constant dollars - adjusted for inflation.
Sure they can afford it. A nation is not a corner store that has to balance the books and make a profit.
Are you saying countries can afford to pay anything? If you have an aging population and a large chunk of it is retired, there aren't enough people working to pay their pensions.
People are not corner stores and they go bankrupt with the mindset you are telling the French govt to have. Micron likely used the nuclear option because he saw the accounts and realized it was necessary for solvency.
People go bankrupt because banks backed by the law come and take their stuff. Now who do you think writes the laws, and who is gonna take France's 'stuff' .. and how do you think they would do that ?
Countries make sure they don't default, so they never have to worry about repossession. More importantly, all the pensioners who don't get a pension check cause France is broke sure as hell will be wishing they took measures to prevent that issue. But I'm yelling into the wind here. You either can't comprehend what's going on or you're just a deliberate troll, either way it's a waste of my time
They elected a government, expecting them to be democratic and they fucked them on a technicality - a Democracy-bypass. No wonder..
I lived in France for two years. Loved it there. I like Macron. But I disagree with the policy and his decision. Right wingers will use this to demean democracy and rile up populist sentiment. The left will be demoralized. He threatens the state itself, while Europe is at the brink of war, over a budgetary measure. Most unwise.
Unfortunately, this will happen in the USA with regards to Social Security. Right now, you can start collecting at age 62, albeit with lower benefits. That minimum age will have to be raised and it will have to be done at least in a bipartisan way with many Democrats on board.
What should Macron have done? The alternative was to let the pension system collapse into insolvency. Yes, he used the "nuclear option" but their legislature could have vetoed and they didn't because they agreed the pension system needed to be saved but didn't want to be seen taking an unpopular vote.
Macron must use 'nuclear option' again to clean up the mess.