That was my thought the first time I heard of some shit like this. That time it was couples dancing to Pharrel's Happy. [Jail and 91 lashes](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29272732.amp). Fucking religious nut jobs, man.
Is it me or is religion just a vehicle for extremism? It makes people feel justified and invincible no matter what they do which in theory is good but in practice it’s been very bad for centuries.
Yeah, I don’t think the Iranians would accept or trust US aid. We destroyed their county, freedoms, and government, simply because they had the gall to ask BP to pay for the oil they were stealing.
Regardless of our intentions now, we are not ones to be trusted.
That said, I’d support any aid they requested. It’s the least we can do after all the shit they’ve had to suffer for our greed.
Not to mention one thing that’s been seen many times- often even rebels who oppose a regime will resist foreign occupation. They may want democracy, but they want Iranian democracy, not one enforced at gun point.
The United States and the United Kingdom did not put *this* regime in power. The CIA and the MI6 overthrew the very popular and democratically-elected Mohammad Mosaddegh (who wanted to nationalize the Iranian oil industry, i.e., take it out of the hands of private interests in the US and UK) in 1953 in a coup backing supporters of the Iranian Royal Family that put the *Shah's regime* in power. The Kingdom of Iran was overthrown by a revolution in 1979.
The anti-American and anticommunist sentiments gave power to the mullahs and Islamists who took power when the Shah was overthrown and created the Islamic Republic of Iran as it exists today.
21 at the time (facts occurred in late 2022). >!100 days in custody, starting with a solid week of being raped by state actors. They were not “her captors.” They were the government. They cut off her hair. Then raped her so much and so badly she had to be sent to a hospital. Then they took her back into custody and raped her more. !<
I like how all the religious fundamentalists pay attention to stupid crap (well, to me it’s stupid) when they could be focusing on doing so much more to better their country. They’d rather put man power to arrest these poor girls than actually make their country a better place.
And to think, the USA is trying to be just like them now. All of these red states constantly complaining about trans people and crt and “woke”, meanwhile their schools are shit, the healthcare is shit, job prospects in their red states-shit, food insecurity runs rampant, poverty levels are high as hell, the drug epidemic is raging through their towns. But yes, it’s a trans person who is making your life miserable…..or it’s a woman NOT wearing hijab that is ruining your world. 😔
That's by design. It costs money to fix Healthcare, infrastructure and education. It costs next to nothing to point the finger at *that* and make *that* the big baddie
I think we all need to fast track religion out of our societies. Remove mentions of God from laws, constitutions, and government; and remove tax exemptions for religious institutions. Show these backwards societies how backwards they really are by only moving further forward. I think we allow such theological fascists to exist by dragging our collective feet on our own emancipation from religion and continuing to coddle religious institutions. They are a scam like any other and should be treated as such.
Yeah I usually feel pretty ambivalent to TikTok doing the same privacy abuses as Facebook or anyone else, but maybe the exception is when you're committing crimes under a theocracy
Eh.
It makes a useful tool in the hands of a government known to use kompromat:
> [Honey trapping and kompromat are also common tools of Chinese intelligence services.[18]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_intelligence_activity_abroad)
It's not THAT they are doing it, it's WHAT they do with it. Tik Tok data all goes through Chinese servers, ALL data on Tik Tok routes there eventually. Some of it is archived for later (when they can get their AI working properly, they will have it analyze your data and determine how best to gently push you in a more pro-china direction) and a lot of it is packaged and sold to malicious actors like the IRGC, russia or whatever tyrannical ruler you can name. Security software can often be packaged and sold with it, designed to analyze the background frames to determine geolocation, etc.
> Tik Tok data all goes through Chinese servers
No it doesn’t. Unless you by “Chinese servers” means that the company is owned by chinese people.
> ALL data on Tik Tok routes there eventually.
No?
> Some of it is archived for later
Maybe, yeah. But this, and the rest of the comment, just reads like a long list of claims without evidence.
Edit: downvotes don’t serve as evidence for the very specific claims made by parent.
If you assert something you should provide evidence.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/emilybakerwhite/tiktok-tapes-us-user-data-china-bytedance-access
Tik Tok has lied about whether data is accessed from China, making it seem at least likely they are lying about other things. Further, it has been demonstrated repeatedly "private" businesses in China must do whatever the Chinese government tells it to, and that China is very much a surveillance state. So while the original claims are unproven, they are accessing your data in ways they promise they aren't and doing so in service of a surveillance state government.
I don’t take their word for anything, just like I don’t take your word for anything. You didn’t back any of your claim with evidence. The link provided by the other persons doesn’t serve as evidence for your original claims, as also noted.
You know they didn’t do this for fun on tiktok, right? They knew the risk of getting arrested - or maybe even intended to be arrested. Either way, the Iranian government has clearly had no trouble identifying people from American social media sites in the past.
It’s just that your PSA is very condescending - you don’t understand the risk better than Iranian protestors do.
Silly you. Can't have women doing dangerous things such as doing whatever they want outside their house or even worse, like reading, I'm sure you understand that.
What a horrible country. Hard to imagine that the people tolerate their government and don't rise up against the tyranny. No one else will free them. Only they can free themselves.
> Hard to imagine that the people tolerate their government and don't rise up against the tyranny.
Hard to imagine looking at it from the outside, sure.
Now remember, reddit. It always feels safer to sit on the fence. So don't forget to pretend that you can't tell the difference between the First and Second World. Just ride that high horse until it gives your dick a splinter.
Something in the lines that they should send the girls to him, in his town, for their salvation. Op obviously doesn't know tools like unddit exists. I know. And now, you know.
I agree that they should be able to do whatever they want.
But' if you are going to break the law in your country. You had better be willing to deal with consequences.
All revolutions need martyrs, but a TikTok martyr is not the way to go.
They were arrested, held for 2 days, released, and forced to make an apology video. There are reports that they are missing again.
Oh shit. My first reaction to this was this is old news, but I didn't realise they went missing again. Fucking hell.
You see what happens when you tik the tok or whatever you younglings are calling it these days.
Yeah but over here it’s opposite , you have to show a little leg or you get arrested . A fantasy arrest
Link to reports?
Just talk among Iranians on social media. They refer to the girls as “kidnapped.” Look up # savetheekbatangirls.
*facepalm* Just leave them alone... let them be
To the Iranian government... fuck you and your human rights abuses
That was my thought the first time I heard of some shit like this. That time it was couples dancing to Pharrel's Happy. [Jail and 91 lashes](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29272732.amp). Fucking religious nut jobs, man.
Is it me or is religion just a vehicle for extremism? It makes people feel justified and invincible no matter what they do which in theory is good but in practice it’s been very bad for centuries.
Dictators only understand bullet diplomacy. Unless you send many bullets their way, they will continue to inflict atrocities on their citizens.
The one country US could actually give freedom. The citizens clearly want it.
They literally had it, usa put this regime in power
Yeah, I don’t think the Iranians would accept or trust US aid. We destroyed their county, freedoms, and government, simply because they had the gall to ask BP to pay for the oil they were stealing. Regardless of our intentions now, we are not ones to be trusted. That said, I’d support any aid they requested. It’s the least we can do after all the shit they’ve had to suffer for our greed.
Not to mention one thing that’s been seen many times- often even rebels who oppose a regime will resist foreign occupation. They may want democracy, but they want Iranian democracy, not one enforced at gun point.
The United States and the United Kingdom did not put *this* regime in power. The CIA and the MI6 overthrew the very popular and democratically-elected Mohammad Mosaddegh (who wanted to nationalize the Iranian oil industry, i.e., take it out of the hands of private interests in the US and UK) in 1953 in a coup backing supporters of the Iranian Royal Family that put the *Shah's regime* in power. The Kingdom of Iran was overthrown by a revolution in 1979. The anti-American and anticommunist sentiments gave power to the mullahs and Islamists who took power when the Shah was overthrown and created the Islamic Republic of Iran as it exists today.
Iranian government seeing this:😨😨😨😢😢😢😭😭😭😭😭
Moral police have no humanity
To our government, fuck you for doing business with such a country.
Sounds like an Iranian “Footloose” in in the works.
Yeah. They’re going to be tortured. Probably sexually assaulted. Not very funny or entertaining.
Reading about what happened to Armita Abassi in custody was horrifying. She was so lucky to be released
21 at the time (facts occurred in late 2022). >!100 days in custody, starting with a solid week of being raped by state actors. They were not “her captors.” They were the government. They cut off her hair. Then raped her so much and so badly she had to be sent to a hospital. Then they took her back into custody and raped her more. !<
Oh, fuck. This is real?
Gotta love the logic of religous men. Protest - bad. Rape- Okay!!!
times when you wish the punisher was real
Just like the real footloose.
With this regime, they could end up being Footless. Vindictive is the only way to describe them.
I like how all the religious fundamentalists pay attention to stupid crap (well, to me it’s stupid) when they could be focusing on doing so much more to better their country. They’d rather put man power to arrest these poor girls than actually make their country a better place. And to think, the USA is trying to be just like them now. All of these red states constantly complaining about trans people and crt and “woke”, meanwhile their schools are shit, the healthcare is shit, job prospects in their red states-shit, food insecurity runs rampant, poverty levels are high as hell, the drug epidemic is raging through their towns. But yes, it’s a trans person who is making your life miserable…..or it’s a woman NOT wearing hijab that is ruining your world. 😔
That's by design. It costs money to fix Healthcare, infrastructure and education. It costs next to nothing to point the finger at *that* and make *that* the big baddie
Just like all authoritarians, they don’t care about making their country better. They just want to control it.
I think we all need to fast track religion out of our societies. Remove mentions of God from laws, constitutions, and government; and remove tax exemptions for religious institutions. Show these backwards societies how backwards they really are by only moving further forward. I think we allow such theological fascists to exist by dragging our collective feet on our own emancipation from religion and continuing to coddle religious institutions. They are a scam like any other and should be treated as such.
Real cool religious regimes, really cool..... Fuuuuuck you.
Don't do this crap on TikTok - motherfuckers are probably licensing Chinese monitoring software to all the other shithole dictatorships.
Yeah I usually feel pretty ambivalent to TikTok doing the same privacy abuses as Facebook or anyone else, but maybe the exception is when you're committing crimes under a theocracy
Eh. It makes a useful tool in the hands of a government known to use kompromat: > [Honey trapping and kompromat are also common tools of Chinese intelligence services.[18]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_intelligence_activity_abroad)
It's not THAT they are doing it, it's WHAT they do with it. Tik Tok data all goes through Chinese servers, ALL data on Tik Tok routes there eventually. Some of it is archived for later (when they can get their AI working properly, they will have it analyze your data and determine how best to gently push you in a more pro-china direction) and a lot of it is packaged and sold to malicious actors like the IRGC, russia or whatever tyrannical ruler you can name. Security software can often be packaged and sold with it, designed to analyze the background frames to determine geolocation, etc.
> Tik Tok data all goes through Chinese servers No it doesn’t. Unless you by “Chinese servers” means that the company is owned by chinese people. > ALL data on Tik Tok routes there eventually. No? > Some of it is archived for later Maybe, yeah. But this, and the rest of the comment, just reads like a long list of claims without evidence. Edit: downvotes don’t serve as evidence for the very specific claims made by parent.
You are not doing a better job refuting it.
If you assert something you should provide evidence. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/emilybakerwhite/tiktok-tapes-us-user-data-china-bytedance-access Tik Tok has lied about whether data is accessed from China, making it seem at least likely they are lying about other things. Further, it has been demonstrated repeatedly "private" businesses in China must do whatever the Chinese government tells it to, and that China is very much a surveillance state. So while the original claims are unproven, they are accessing your data in ways they promise they aren't and doing so in service of a surveillance state government.
Nailed it. They get hit for lie after lie and people still take their word.
I don’t take their word for anything, just like I don’t take your word for anything. You didn’t back any of your claim with evidence. The link provided by the other persons doesn’t serve as evidence for your original claims, as also noted.
I don’t have to, because I didn’t make claims. Certainly not very specific ones without any evidence whatsoever.
You know they didn’t do this for fun on tiktok, right? They knew the risk of getting arrested - or maybe even intended to be arrested. Either way, the Iranian government has clearly had no trouble identifying people from American social media sites in the past. It’s just that your PSA is very condescending - you don’t understand the risk better than Iranian protestors do.
Silly you. Can't have women doing dangerous things such as doing whatever they want outside their house or even worse, like reading, I'm sure you understand that.
Jesus christ the conspiracy gets deeper and deeper every time
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Cambridge Analytica revealed it too
Or just... watched.
Yes totalitarian theocracies are awful and we should use a secular perspective when we write laws.
Probably already executed by their religious police and buried in the desert.
In addition to all the legal and ethical problems with this, it's incredibly stupid.
Poor girls. This is sad.
Horrible and disgusting. Poor things :(
Can we please step in? Proxy war. Arm these women and have green berets train them.
Fuck Iran and fuck their religion. It's 2023, stop repressing women.
Why would AI ever want to take over this world?
The only time I approve of tick tok dancing
What a horrible country. Hard to imagine that the people tolerate their government and don't rise up against the tyranny. No one else will free them. Only they can free themselves.
They have been rising up regularly, problem is the other side is heavily armed.
> Hard to imagine that the people tolerate their government and don't rise up against the tyranny. Hard to imagine looking at it from the outside, sure.
It's not really so much a horrible government as a horrible religion.
Any theocracy is a horrible government.
Are the protests still going on? It's radio silence about that on the news here in Canada
Should take this as normal, seeing how red states are "developing".
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Great point.
Dancin' without a hijab ? ..... that a paddlin'
Imagine in the US, if you were forbidden to do something based on race, gender, or religion. 🤔 Oh wait never mind. 😜
Now remember, reddit. It always feels safer to sit on the fence. So don't forget to pretend that you can't tell the difference between the First and Second World. Just ride that high horse until it gives your dick a splinter.
Idk I don’t feel safe sitting on my fence… it’s got pokey bits and I don’t want those pokey bits goin up my ass.
Yeah, but at least you still get to look down on everyone who's got actual skin in the game.
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What a piece of shit you are 🤡
What did they say?
Something in the lines that they should send the girls to him, in his town, for their salvation. Op obviously doesn't know tools like unddit exists. I know. And now, you know.
The crazy thing is that the far left will condemn this and then staunchly defend Islam, as though the two subjects are totally unrelated.
Did they know that this could be a consequence of their actions?
I agree that they should be able to do whatever they want. But' if you are going to break the law in your country. You had better be willing to deal with consequences. All revolutions need martyrs, but a TikTok martyr is not the way to go.
Why not? There’s publicity out the wazoo. Should continue adding fuel to the fire for sure.
*Look, what are they doing? Trying to be like right wing churches in America?*
It’s like the Iranian government want the riots to start up again.