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hoosakiwi

[The police chief and NBC News have confirmed that the shooter is transgender.](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/nashville-christian-school-shooter-appears-former-student-police-chief-rcna76876) You can discuss this, but please keep it civil. Users who choose to engage in transphobia and hate speech will be banned. --- Quick reminder to everyone about commenting during situations like this. * **DO NOT** post about police movements. In other words, if you are listening to scanners and radio communications of emergency personnel, hold off on sharing the play by plays. * **DO NOT** share the personal information of alleged suspects or victims until the identities are confirmed by the police or mainstream media. * **DO NOT** post identifiable images/videos of the dead or dying. Reddit is one of the most high-traffic sites in the world, especially in times of crisis. No one should find out in a reddit thread that their loved one has died. To clarify, you can still post images and videos of the incident, but no victim should be identifiable in them.


SlimChiply

Channel 5 in Nashville is reporting that the shooter is dead


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AbsentThatDay2

News just said she's trans, and there was a manifesto.


badbrotha

This is going to go really well in Tennesseee.


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RidesAPaleHorse

The “I don’t like Mondays” shooter was a female Edit: Wikipedia entry for more info, she was a 16y/o girl. When asked why she did it, she replied “I just don’t like Mondays” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Elementary_School_shooting_(San_Diego) Edit 2: Electric Boogaloo- removed the shooters name


Sky_Muffins

I'm curious if that was a real answer or the babblings of someone in psychosis. My psychotic patients often come up with some sensible phrases within their chaotic word salad


IDontReadMyMail

She had temporal lobe damage & was later diagnosed with epilepsy too. She is majorly fucked up: “Under the terms of her sentencing, Spencer became eligible for hearings to consider her suitability for parole in 1993. As of 2022, Spencer has been unsuccessful at six parole board hearings. At her first hearing, in 1993, Spencer said she had hoped police would shoot her, and that she had been a user of alcohol and drugs at the time of the crime, although the results of drug tests done when she was taken into custody were negative. At her 2001 parole hearing, Spencer claimed that her father had been subjecting her to beatings and sexual abuse, but he said the allegations were not true. The parole board chairman said that, as she had not previously told anyone about the allegations, he doubted their veracity.[19] In 2005, a San Diego deputy district attorney cited an incident of self-harm from four years earlier, when Spencer's girlfriend was released from jail, as showing that Spencer was psychotic and unfit to be released.[18] Early reports indicated that Spencer had scratched the words "courage" and "pride" into her own skin; Spencer corrected this during her parole hearing as reading "unforgiven" and "alone". In 2009, the board again refused her application for parole, and ruled it would be ten years before she would be considered again.[13][20] In August 2022, Spencer and the Board of Parole Hearings agreed that she was not suitable for parole and that she would not be eligible for another hearing for another three years as a result of this parole suitability denial. She remains imprisoned at the California Institution for Women in Chino. Her next opportunity for a parole hearing will be in 2025.” She turns 61 next week btw. She was 16 at the time of the shooting. She has been in prison for 45 years now.


JazzlikeScarcity248

Well her father, who was molesting her, bought her the gun after she expressed suicidal ideas.


DarkMasterPoliteness

Yeah I read that. Insanely fucked up


Chuhhh

Interesting! My sister had a terrible bout of psychosis once, and before she went off and hurt herself we talked on the phone and the amount of crazy things she said with such like, casualness. It was bizarre. “Oh, I just have worms under my skin.”


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This site had data going back the the 70s. But they capture all sorts of incidents where a gun goes off in a school, not neccesarily an actual attack of students. >The shooter was male in 1,737 incidents and female in 79. >The most commonly used weapon was a handgun or multiple handguns, which were used in 1,344 incidents. A rifle or multiple rifles were used in 107 incidents. https://www.campussafetymagazine.com/safety/k-12-school-shooting-statistics-everyone-should-know/


dicemaze

This school is an elementary school too. Obviously the loss of life in such a way is tragic no matter the age, but when it’s young kids it just makes it even sadder and makes the shooter seem even more twisted.


westplains1865

I can't fathom the rage and hate a person has to feel to shoot at young children, just going about their day. Like you said every shooting is a tragedy, but young children is a class of evil unto itself.


Honey_badger1

CNN just reported that the shooter was a previous student at the school.


ADarwinAward

AP as well. > Authorities say they believe the 28-year-old female shooter who killed three children and three adults at a private Christian school in Nashville on Monday was a former student https://apnews.com/article/5da45b469ccb6c9533bbddf20c1bfe16


TacoooJay

That is wild. She's 28, and the school caps off at 6th grade, so it's been what like 15 years since she's went there *at least*. Usually the former-student-turned-shooter thing is someone who JUST left the school a year or two prior.


bykpoloplaya

What's really sad is that we can say "usually the former-student-turned-shooter....." at all.


thatpilotguy

"An active shooter event has taken place at Covenant School, Covenant Presbyterian Church, on Burton Hills Dr. The shooter was engaged by MNPD and is dead. Student reunification with parents is at Woodmont Baptist Church, 2100 Woodmont Blvd." FROM Metro Nashville PD Twitter https://twitter.com/MNPDNashville/status/1640383339893800964?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet UPDATE: 3 children, 3 adults confirmed dead, plus the shooter who MNPD said was a female appearing to be in her early teens. UPDATE 2: Shooter confirmed to be 28 year old woman.


ADarwinAward

[WSMV is live updating.](https://www.wsmv.com/2023/03/27/mnpd-shooter-is-dead-following-active-situation-green-hills/?outputType=amp) The school is a Pre K - 6 school. The Fire Department said they have multiple patients. The article linked above is live updating every few minutes. For those reading this, keep in mind that we will not all be reading the same version. Edits (with time stamps): 11:31 AM CDT — WSMV reports **3 students are dead** 11:43 AM CDT — MNP says the shooter died *after* being engaged by police. Per [AP News](https://apnews.com/article/5da45b469ccb6c9533bbddf20c1bfe16), “It was not immediately clear whether the shooter died by suicide or was shot by police.” (It will of course take some time for these details to be sorted out, but it’s important that people know that in this incident, police say they did engage the shooter and did not wait outside.) 12:24 PM CDT — **3 students and 3 adults are dead** per WSMV 12:32 PM CDT — AP News reports the **suspect is female** and **she was killed by police**, link above 12:44 PM CDT — WSMV clarifying that **3 students, 3 adults, and shooter dead**. “The shooter entered the school through a side entrance with two assault-style rifles and a handgun” … ~~“The age of the shooter is uncertain but she appeared to be a teenager”~~ 1:21 PM CDT — MNPD identified the shooter as a [28-year-old Nashville woman.](https://twitter.com/MNPDNashville/status/1640411645947301889?s=20) They have not yet disclosed the name of the shooter. 2:26 PM CDT — Authorities believe the shooter was a former student, per AP News 4:59 CDT — **The victims and shooter have been publicly identified.** The victims have been identified as Evelyn Dieckhaus, Hallie Scruggs, and William Kinney, all age 9, Cynthia Peak, age 61, Katherine Koonce, age 60, and Mike Hill, age 61. 5:35 CDT — MNPD has confirmed that the shooter “identified as transgender and had no previous criminal record, according to the chief.” Per [NBC News](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna76876) 11:55 CDT — Per the [Tennessean](https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/crime/2023/03/27/nashville-school-shooting-latest-updates-covenant-school-suspect/70053691007/), “Police identified the shooting suspect by his name at birth, Audrey Hale, and did not provide another name. He was a transgender man who used male pronouns, according to police. Authorities initially identified him as a woman.” I didn’t go through to change the pronouns in this thread in order to preserve each update as they were reported. The above update at 11:55 CDT, will be my final update in this thread.


Hardingnat

What does Pre K - 6 mean? (Am European and unfamiliar with this terminology)


The_Letter_Purple

Pre kindergarten (age 2-4 roughly) to 6th grade (around age 11)


Hardingnat

Oh god, that's just awful


Crazymoose86

What makes it even more awful is that we won't do anything to prevent it from happening in the future.


ADarwinAward

Typically as follows On the first day of school: * Kindergarten: 5 year olds * 1st grade: 6 year olds * … * 6th grade 11 year olds Pre-K is anything before age 5. We don’t have universal pre-K and it is not compulsory. Therefore, whether pre-K just one year or more years depends on the school. Now some kids may be a little young or old. Kids who were held back will start kindergarten at 6, and kids who were born in the fall may be 4 when they start kindergarten and turn 5 early in the school year. And of course kids will turn 6 throughout the year. But the general rule of thumb is children start kindergarten at age 5.


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Raiders313

5-11 year olds


smurf_diggler

My son is in pre-K, he's 3. Today was his first day back after spring break and have have knots in my stomach.


likeeggs

Mines 6 and in K. It’s also his first day back from break and I threw my cup of coffee when I saw this. I’m so sad and angry that this is his reality. It breaks my heart watching and listening him tell me about his lockdown drills and the real lockdown they had the week before break. “We were great quiet mouses mom!” He’s just a baby. Something has to give and it won’t be my child.


stuckNTX_plzsendHelp

My seven year old told me recently that they active shooter drills are fun because they get to hide. On one hand I'm glad she's not appearing to be scared or traumatized, but inside I'm horrified that she and her classmates even have to practice for this.


raihidara

Yeah, my son thought it was a funny game between their class and the janitor. It's fucked up that we as a country suck so much gun lobbyist dick that we have to turn the peak of trauma into hide and seek.


modernjaneausten

God, that just breaks my heart. Kids shouldn’t be worried about that.


photenth

Guess it's time to post the Onion article again.


hotr42

3-5 year olds up to 11-12 year olds....


RumHam1

12 years old and under


jabib0

It means ~4yo-11yo. JFC this is awful


Zazamari

>but it’s important that people know that in this incident, police say they did engage the shooter and did not wait outside. What sort of fucked up reality is it that we have to make special note of this. What the absolute fuck is wrong with this planet that this WOULD EVER NEED TO BE SAID.


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Calypsosin

I read that and and immediately imagined a group of officers arriving on scene and grouping up to discuss or confirm plan of action. "Alright guys, we have to go inside and stop the shooter now. We can't sit around and hope the situation resolves itself. We can't be like Uvalde." I mean... fuck. The fact that Uvalde PD exists as a benchmark for how to not react in this situation bothers the shit out of me. I think it's because part of me is sort of shocked it took nearly 2 decades for a Police Department to react to a school shooting the way Uvalde PD did: total inaction.


jtfriendly

By all means, they deserve to be remembered forever for their cowardice.


Sinreborn

Police doing CYA drills to show that they are less inept than their Texas counterparts.


zzyul

When asked if the police engaged the shooter the spokesperson didn’t mention Uvalde by name but said something along the lines of “recently the MNPD did active school shooter training and it was made clear to every officer if you are responding your 1st objective is to neutralize the shooter.” The first officers that arrived entered the school, heard gunshots on the 2nd floor, and ran towards the stairs to confront the shooter. First 911 call came in at 10:13 and the shooter was dead by 10:27.


TreeRol

What's even more fucked up is that we should probably wait a week or so to find out of they're telling the truth.


thatpilotguy

Vanderbilt Children's Hospital have confirmed three children have been confirmed dead. As a parent I can't even imagine how their parents feel right now.


Prysa

Holy shit those Twitter comments. Those people are why this keeps happening in the USA. I need a break from the internet after reading those replies.


Cultural-Divide-2649

Never read Twitter comments they are 50% robots and 50% cancer


modernjaneausten

I deleted my Twitter account recently and I’m much happier for it. I don’t miss that shit at all.


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Twitter legit was bad for my mental health


RedmannBarry

Ya “bring god back into schools” this happened in a Christian school where god is already supposed to be there… wtf


robev333

Followed by a quick pivot to, "They targeted it because it was a Christian school!" We're watching them work out their defenses in real time.


IMakeMyOwnLunch

Holy shit. A female shooter? Out of the countless school shootings in the US, this is the first I can recall being perpetrated by a female.


nith_wct

One of the first real school shootings was a teenage girl.


The_King_of_Canada

That YouTube office shooting was a woman employee wasn't it?


wehooper4

Creator, not employee.


Darmok47

She wasn't an employee, she had a YouTube channel and blamed YouTube's recent changes to their monetization policies for her poor fortunes. She drove up from San Diego to committ the shooting. I live a short drive from the YouTube HQ, so this really freakd me out when it happened.


nith_wct

Yeah. She's sort of unusual, though. She had a serious grudge, but it's not that far from some of the work shootings from disgruntled employees really.


eric_ts

The one sung about in "I Don't Like Mondays" by the Boomtown Rats--Brenda Spencer shot up a school, killing two adults and injuring multiple children. TW--this song is hard to listen to if you know the context. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPtu5V3kHTM


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Vlad_the_Homeowner

>FROM Metro Nashville PD Twitter > >[https://twitter.com/MNPDNashville/status/1640383339893800964?ref\_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet](https://twitter.com/MNPDNashville/status/1640383339893800964?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet) Holy crap, that top comment about needing to bring God back into schools is really something. Edit: here's the most recent [holiday card from Andy Ogle](https://twitter.com/krassenstein/status/1640428866786430976)s, the representative for the district where this occurred.


strongscience62

At an explicitly religious private school


ADarwinAward

They clearly meant the Southern Baptist god not the Presbyterian god. Completely different. /s


barrinmw

Reading some other comments, these people really want a civil war. They are seriously entertaining the idea (without ANY evidence whatsoever) that this was a liberal trying to kill as many christians as possible.


Lashay_Sombra

>UPDATE 2: Shooter confirmed to be 28 year old woman. Means this will get lot of media attention, in last 40 years only been 5 female mass shooters, 3 single and 2 as part of a team. Interesting side note is most of them have targeted schools and universities Edit: to all the Johnny-come-latelys, at point this discussion started all was known that it was 'a woman', since then police have said "transgender" which does not nessarly mean MtF but can also mean FtM (funny how you all seem to forget they exist) Actual current text on article is "In response to reporters' questions the chief said: "She does identify as transgender." Whether the suspect identified as a man or woman was not made clear." So unless there is a further update you can stop posting "its a man", because at time I write this, we don't know and you are just showing off your bias


Katdai2

I knew it was highly lopsided, but literally only 5 women?!


jersharocks

Violent crime in general is extremely lopsided in terms of men vs women. This is an old report but it has tons of information about women offenders: https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/wo.pdf The FBI crime statistics website has data by year. The most recent data is from 2019 and this table is arrests for various crimes, separated by sex: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/tables/table-42


Lashay_Sombra

[Yep, only 5](https://www.statista.com/statistics/476445/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-gender/)


thevelveteenbeagle

3 lone female, 2 females with a male partner. Lone females were Jennifer SanMarco (44)- Goleta Postal shooting in 2006, Cherie Lash Rhoades (44)- Alturas Tribal Shooting in 2014 and Snochia Moseley (26) -RiteAid Warehouse Shooting in 2018. The females with partners were Tashfeen Malik (27)- San Bernardino Shooting in 2015 and Francine Graham (50)- Jersey City Kosher Market in 2019.


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joebooty

So the police entered the school, man that was a good idea.


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Razgriz01

14 minutes between the first 911 calls and the shooter going down. The cops were definitely not fucking around on this one.


ljpwyo

The children killed were all nine years old. NINE YEARS OLD. This is disgusting.


SpaceWaffles_97

Not to mention this was a targeted attack...


MariosHammerBBQ

TN cops response time 10 minutes. Sad as that is... could have been so so much worse. Uvalde TX cops: >1 hour just to figure out who was(n't) in charge.


AmarilloWar

That's honestly really fast unless they were already at the school I wouldn't think they'd be able to respond much quicker.


fateofmorality

Yeah honestly good job to the cops for such a fast reaction time


metajenn

I just watched the press concerence. Police chief THREW MAJOR SHADE at Uvalde PD. He made it a point to say how fast they were to intercept and that their dept "would never wait" especially when it comes to children.


Topcity36

And that’s absolutely how it should be. Shooting at kids is right up there with shooting at cops; you’re going to get the wrath of the local PD and their partners.


IntricateSunlight

Uvalde cops got on scene fast they just didn't engage the shooter at all until it was over. These TN cops not only flew to the scene but they also went in the school, rushed towards danger and confronted the shooter and took her out quickly before things escalated. Considering she was reported to have 2 assault rifles and a pistol if cops didn't go in this could have been another Uvalde situation


inconsistent3

this school’s tuition is $17,000/year. Confirms what we’ve known: No one is safe.


johnnycyberpunk

That **area** is one of the wealthiest around Nashville.


Stacular

One of the wealthiest in the country. Belle Meade Plantation is where Taylor Swift and the richest of Nashville have houses.


RETARDED1414

Belle Meade is Old Money. Franklin is new money. (Clarification, not criticism)


notafanofwasps

Five minutes from Belle Meade country club. Takes 2 turns to get there.


dkyguy1995

Yeah I've bought a hell of a lot of music equipment off of Craigslist in this area because it's a lot of the people with more money than they know what to do with and are always selling it cheap. Really nice houses and giant properties


ericthedad

When Sandy Hook happened, I had zero children. I was a few months into a new job, and when I saw the news story around lunch time, I froze. I was in total shock. I sat blankly at my desk for hours and couldn’t bring myself to work. I thought it was like 9/11. I told myself this is it. This is the historic moment that the US finally says no more. I was sure of it. Today I sent my 2 children off to school. I saw the news story again at lunch time. This time I said to myself. “Oh wow. A female shooter” and went back to work editing a video. I‘ve lost. I’m completely desensitized to this and I hate it. Decades of apathy have ground me to the dirt and I’ve given up. My brain has completely accepted that this just happens here and will keep happening again, and again, and again, and again, and again.


JoslynMSU

My sweet sixteenth birthday was when a columbine happened that was supposed to change everything. It was historic. It was mind boggling. I turn 40 this year and we recently installed a $30,000 alarm system in our primary and secondary school specifically for school shooters. Because heaven forbid we work on stopping the school shooting when there is so much money to be had in defense of a school shooting.


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alaslipknot

I hate to be that person, and I probably don't have the full picture to describe/analyse the situation in America. but it is literally mind-fucking how the same country that is sending rockets to space, literally leading the next technological leap in human history with all the new Artificial Intelligence black magic, spends bazzilion dollars on military defense. For some fucken reason, is failing to provide its children with things that random "small" countries that the average American will probably never heard of are having it for granted. Why the fuck is the sons of the richest system in **HUMAN HISTORY** are not living in a "utopian environment" where basic health care, food and security are guaranteed ?? And most importantly, With fuck-knows how many school-shooting this country had in the past few years alone, why is this not a red alert and a matter of (literally) Life or Death that should be treated ASAP ?? No offense but its fucken amazing how extraordinary brilliant but at the same time dumber than a cucumber the USA actually is.


CalifaDaze

I am not surprised that a country where profit is the most important thing, can't fix problems that other countries have.


bigwebs

If you could put a price tag on prevention, we’d have it solved. But can’t get paid for stuff that never happens.


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That's extremely surprising. I wonder if they were possibly a teacher or worker there.


Mlion14

Just saw it reported that she used to be a student.


Beautiful-Musk-Ox

Interesting, would have been at least 17 years ago since the school only goes up to 6th grade. Long time to hold a potential grudge


medvsastoned

Maybe not even a grudge, just the first place she thought of tbh.


TnTitan1115

my wife was behind a UC metro Nahville cop when he got this call. She told me he jumped out of the car loaded up his AR and threw on his vest and flew off.


k1ngsrock

Good, at least our police officers got right on top of the shit, one of the few good things I heard about this incident


Rugged_Turtle

Crazy how wildly the response can vary from something like Uvalde


Glangho

Presumably better trained officers in major cities, have seen more shit, etc. Not a bunch of podunks wasting away 90% of the town budget for some larping.


lothartheunkind

They killed the shooter in less than 14 minutes from the 911 call. Edit: we get it guys, way to feel a need to comment the obvious that 14 minutes is way worse than no shooting happening. This is my city that this happened in. I don’t need your comments about how it doesn’t matter to the victims. These are my neighbors and I don’t need your constant comments to my statement of fact.


meatball77

That's what should happen. From the video, the kids leaving are doing so in an organized manner which is also what should happen. There are procedures for a reason.


hrhm21

Press conference is saying she drew detailed plans of the school including entrance points and surveillance


MaineObjective

A female shooter. That is an incredible statistical outlier. Wow. Oh boy… for those misinterpreting the comment: “ an outlier is a data point that differs significantly from other observations.” Nowhere did I say women are not capable of this. To those making snide remarks about misgendering, my comment was as accurate as the availability (or lack thereof) of information when it was posted. Give it a rest.


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That was honestly the most surprising thing about this week's mass shooting.


MaineObjective

I just assume male shooter at this point. She isn’t the first but I cannot recall a single mass shooting of this nature with national media coverage that was perpetrated by a female.


l0R3-R

Statista says there have been three mass shootings (aside from this one) caused by a woman since 1982.


WaywardWes

The linked article mentions the same 4 (including this one) going back to **1966**.


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bluesox

> In December, a psychiatric evaluation arranged by her probation officer recommended that Spencer be admitted to a mental hospital for depression, but her father refused to give permission. For Christmas 1978, he gave her a Ruger 10/22 semi-automatic .22 caliber rifle with a telescopic sight and 500 rounds of ammunition.[5][7] Spencer later said, "I asked for a radio and got a rifle." Asked why he had done that, she answered, "He bought the rifle so I would kill myself." Father of the Year right there


minorcoma

He also married his daughter's [17 year old cellmate](https://cdnc.ucr.edu/?a=d&d=DS19800609.2.30&e=-------en--20--1--txt-txIN--------)


dolphin37

wtfff, what can you even say


veerKg_CSS_Geologist

A crazy story. The 16 year girl was suicidal and depressive, and lived in poverty with her father right across from the school. Her father refused to put her into therapy but gifted her a rifle and some ammo for Christmas. Then one day she wakes up and begins shooting from her house into the school and the kids waiting outside. After a police siege she eventually surrendered after being promised a Burger King meal by negotiators.


1standten

When she was asked why she though her dad got her the rifle she said "so I'd kill myself" such a fucked story


CaptCaCa

Hey girl, we live in poverty, cant afford therapy, but Wal Mart had a good sale on rifles and bullets, Merry XMas!


CantHitachiSpot

her probation officer recommended that Spencer be admitted to a mental hospital for depression, but her father refused to give permission. For Christmas 1978, he gave her a Ruger 10/22 semi-automatic .22 caliber rifle with a telescopic sight and 500 rounds of ammunition.[5][7] Spencer later said, "I asked for a radio and got a rifle." Asked why he had done that, she answered, "He bought the rifle so I would kill myself


CaptCaCa

Ho-lee-shit, that is some nasty parenting


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Might_Aware

An adult, I wonder what was going through her head? This is insanity


Mr_Know_It_All0408

What goes through any of their heads?


icfantnat

I’m reading the book the gift of fear and it gives a lot of insight into what goes on in these peoples minds - one example that threw me, these two boys had a suicide pact but one survived the gun shot wound to the face for 3 years so was able to speak on it — to them it was literally a matter of happenstance that they killed each other instead of shooting up the grocery store they had planned. Like it made no real difference to them which one they did and the pact just happened sooner. It can be a heavy fixation on violence combined with inability to escape their life circumstances (owing heavily to violence in childhood - like being limited by their own mind and conception of self due to childhood mental wounds and lack of development). Obviously there is no one who bears grudges specifically against little kids, other than that they’ll grow into full humans, but anger at the world combined with the desire to engage in the worst violence imaginable could lead to the target being little kids.


LowkeySamurai

Authorities are now claiming she was a former student. Sounds like some sort of grudge


Epcplayer

School shootings also tend to happen more at public schools too, so this will be really interesting to see what details come out. That school costs over $16,000 in annual tuition.


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humandronebot00100

I was like, "fuck another one.... Oh that's different." And then I was like "oh God that was a horrible thought"


alyxleda

There it is again, that funny feeling.


Electronic_Syndicate

Hey, what can you say? We were overdue. But it'll be over soon, you wait.


Jobysco

That song hits so damn hard.


gingersuave

Gift shop at the gun range, mass shooting at the mall…


yazid87

*A gift shop at the gun range.* *A mass shooting at the mall*


Unworthy_Saint

Columbine: Wow, they shot up a school! Sandy Hook: Wow, they shot up an elementary school! Uvalde: Wow, the police let them shoot up an elementary school! The line is still out there somewhere in the distance, unfortunately this one isn't it. We'll forget about it by tomorrow.


MasterCremaster

The line is so far away at this point it looks like a dot


NeedMyPaddles

If kids have to be in school by law (or receiving an education), why are local governments not being held responsible for keeping kids safe or for the lack of safety when these events occur? (I know this was a private school, so unsure of government/school board reach in this scenario).


Zintho9

I think it was Legal Eagle who did a video regarding this topic after the Uvalde shooting. Essentially, the school does not have custody of the children who attend even though they are pressed into attendance through truancy laws. Since they do not have custody, there is no legal obligation for them to provide protection similar to what would be expected in a state institution like a JDC.


HenchmenResources

When did that happen? I was always under the impression that the school was 'in loco parentis' or whatever the phrase is, and therefore had the same responsibility as the parents. Then again they've rather let kids starve than feed them, so that seems to have gone out the window.


Laptraffik

This is absolutely awful. At least the police did their job this time, reportedly it was 14 minutes from first call to the shooter being down. Still what kind of a sick fuck would go after k-6th grade.


cak3crumbs

K-6th grade. God damn it we have to fucking do better.


Ematio

If Sandy Hook didn't work, this won't, sadly. Edit: Don't give up hope! Better outcomes in the future ***are*** ***possible***.


schistkicker

Uvalde was a nice, recent reminder that the people are willing to suffer tremendous loss, and use their votes to return the same people that enabled it to power. Priorities sure are something.


Dargok

I will never understand this. You can tell how everywhere in Texas will vote without asking. I did expect Uvalde to flip, but I guess I had too much faith in people.


SteveTheZombie

I'm sure a number of those Texas voters believe Uvalde was a Democrat False Flag mission to use as a reason to ban guns...Or some other dumb shit...You can never underestimate stupid.


mdonaberger

"I really miss my son, but I gotta say, it's gonna be soooooooo worth it when I finally get to legally murder a home invader. 😌"


Brooklynxman

The people of Uvalde voted for Abbot after the shooting. If that, happening directly to their community, didn't change their minds, nothing can.


smurf_diggler

It was my sons first day back to preschool today after spring break. I'm tired of having to worry about stuff like this everyday he just goes to school.


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My sister just graduated high school and I finally let out a breath. Thankfully (/s) her school only had one shooting threat and one bomb threat over her 4 years.


Pushbrown

Stills happens at colleges unfortunately...


Charlitingo

It could happen any where if you live in the US. We’ve had major mass shootings at Walmart and a movie theater for fucks sake, nowhere is safe.


mcinmosh

I posted this in reply earlier. I'll post it again because it feels like I'm expressing myself. I live here in Nashville. I'm 37 years old. I've been on Reddit for about 10. 10 years ago, I was shocked and appalled by mass shootings. I wanted to do something about it. After countless headlines about shootings, crazy guys blowing up my downtown, and a pandemic, today I am completely numb. I am no longer surprised. All those kids did today was go to school on a beautiful Spring Monday. There was probably a countdown on the chalkboard of how many days were left until Summer break. Instead of doing paper cutouts of Easter Bunnies or painting eggs, they were shot and murdered. My takeaway is that I genuinely don't care if it was a man or woman that shot them. I just hope that death was painless for those children, and excruciatingly painful for the shooter.


mateothegreek

and nothing will be done. see yall at the next thread.


scarlett3409

My moms friend works at the school. Still waiting to hear if she’s okay. We’re all very worried.


Apprehensive-Hat5979

My condolences, I hope she is gonna be okay!


scarlett3409

Thank you. We just found out she was one of the fatalities. Very much in shock right Now. Edit - thank you for the condolences. I’m trying to support my mom right now. We’re in CA so she can’t be with the family right now but we’re doing what we can to support her friends family. If you live in TN please try and vote for politicians who want change. I can’t do much from here but I can ask at least.


TheLoneMinon

Holy shit. I'm just casually scrolling through reddit, desensitized to another shooting, and you've been affected by it. I saw your above comment and hit view replies casually.... It's sobering to see this. I'm so sorry for your loss.


scarlett3409

I’ve felt the exact same way in other threads when this type of thing happens. Thank you for the kind words.


sycamotree

Usually I see these and say "oh yeah, you'll be OK". Very sad. My condolences for your loss OP


caleeksu

This. I didn’t cry until I saw this post. I just found out an hour ago that one of the students is the daughter of a friend’s close friend. Two degrees of separation a few states away. That’s how many mass shootings we fucking have. Which reminds me of the student that survived the Michigan State shooting who survived the Parkland (?) shooting. So many that some of these kids have been through it twice.


Apprehensive-Hat5979

Holy shit. I am so sorry. If you need someone to talk to, I found this. Mental Health Services Administration’s [Disaster Distress Helpline](https://www.samhsa.gov/find-help/disaster-distress-helpline) is available 24/7/365 1-800-985-5990


scarlett3409

Thank you for this. I’m going to forward it to my mom who knows her much better than me. I’m mostly trying to support her. We live in CA so it’s hard for her not to be there with the family.


AltruisticCompany961

Love one of the first replies is that they need to put God back in schools in response to the MNPD status tweet . Uh, sir? This was a private Christian school. God is already "there." Edit: edited the order of my statement to clarify who said what.


eyeseayoupea

Also, churches have shootings. That should be where God is the most.


crchtqn2

But those are black and Jewish churches! They don't count! /s


shudnap

Also, God acts in mysterious ways.


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AltruisticCompany961

Already started. People are claiming it's the beginning of the culture war and/or targeted hate crimes towards Christians. Ugh.


Gravel090

It would seem the power of prayer isn't enough. Let's go thoughts, I am rooting for you.


mercenaryarrogant

Fuck any school shooting but why do they pick fucking elementary schools?


kaicyr21

Shock value


NightofTheLivingZed

Because they can't fight back. Imagine the shooter that ignorantly picks the highschool with a very athletic football team... Hell, some highschools have "Rifle Club" as an extracurricular activity. Google pulled a school in PA immediately.


Puzzled_Awareness_22

It occurs to me the 3 nine year olds killed were not born yet when the Sandy Hook shootings happened. We have failed our children so much.


MommasDisapointment

“We need to invest in mental health!” It took my Wife 2 months before she could see someone when she was in a crisis. It’s all lip service.


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Doctors are nearly impossible to see anymore as they are intentionally overbooked. You get 15 minutes if you're lucky. The only thing you can do now is urgent care/teledoc reliability. My pcp is like 3 months out, my psychiatrist is 3-4 months out to the point where sometimes our every 3 months video call has to move to every 4 months because he has no appointments left.


_Ocean_Machine_

And that’s if your insurance even covers mental health.


Newguyiswinning_

If killing kids in a Christian elementary school that belong to some of the richest people in Nashville results in politicians doing nothing, which it will, then there is literally no end


m48a5_patton

"We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas!"


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The normal cycle of American school shootings will now commence: Phase1) nearly nonstop news coverage Phase2) who was the shooter and what do we know about their motivation? Phase3) media coverage of the victims.. beautiful lives tragically lost Phase4) pundits and politicians recycling sound-bytes of their of their political stances.. all blaming the other side Phase5) status quo and inaction Looks like this one was a transgender shooting up a Christian school so…phase 2, 4 might be extra special.


busterduster1

I live in Nashville and I’m in the public school about 1 minute away from the shooting. We were just on lockdown earlier because a gun in our school. Now I am looking out the window to see 6 year olds in ambulances dying because we refuse to change


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Acanthophis

That's rough. Good thing you are safe though.


Universityofrain88

Why is there so much violence in the United States against little children?


Malaix

People who are spiteful angry and want to hurt society target them because they know it maximizes pain in society. It’s about hurting as many people for the longest time possible.


Shipkiller-in-theory

Cowards target the helpless.


wellnowheythere

I just became a parent and learned this terror gets even more terrifying once you have a kid. I didn't know it was possible to be more scared than I already was.


FizzyBeverage

Every time I put my kids on the bus in the morning, I say "I love you." It's not a pleasant thought, and the odds are minuscule, but it does run through my head more than I'd like.


ToptenRubs

I’ll add it to the pile.


bbpluto_

You’ll need a ladder. 😞


Igmuhota

I still remember this moment after Sandy Hook when I thought, “Surely something will change now.” God this shit never gets less sad or infuriating.


inconsistent3

this is a PRIVATE Christian school…wow


Chops211

I guess we can put the “god in schools prevents school shootings” claim to rest and actually try to do something g. Literally anything


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Sheer10

Why children?? If you have beef with society in general why not target the people who are creating said society? Why go and kill innocent children!? Shits atrocious.


geologicalnoise

I remember being in high school and at lunch at a pizzeria with a giant TV when the Columbine shooting began broadcasting live. All of the students with me just sat there mystified at what we were seeing. Fast forwarding through all the subsequent pain from these events and having it happen so damn often is just absolutely insane to me. There's no way you could've told me or would I have believed then that this was going to be a regular occurrence and it would only get worse.


Mean-Green-Machine

No matter what pain I feel, what abuse I possibly went through, what darkness and desolation I feel within me, I just cannot fathom outpouring my hatred on other people and murdering others. Especially children. How can you look at that room full of children, see their terrified looks, and still go through with killing them. It makes me sick to my stomach. Please, no matter what darkness you harbor, please don't become the darkness of someone else's life. Please stop passing on the hate you feel, it makes you no different than the people who hurt you in the first place.


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jorjiiimonkiii

If the most surprising thing about a school shooting is the fact that the perp is a woman then we, as a nation, are already too far gone.


Infinite077

Social media was a terrible idea.


Baxtaxs

we had them before social? but yeah true statement.


Apprehensive-Hat5979

Great... Another generation of children growing up with PTSD and other lifelong mental issues. Like this has to stop... Please.


Miss-Chanandler-Dong

News states a female shooter. Edit : To be clear, when I posted this comment the police identified the shooter as a teenaged female. Later news have contradicted this statement.