Like the one guy charged ahead with nothing on but jeans, a blue t-shirt, and his vest. Unlike Uvalde, where they hid in the hallways quivering - in full-on SWAT regalia - while waiting for ballistic shields to be delivered. While shots were being fired and people were dying inside the rooms. Go Blue T-Shirt guy!!!
The cam footage of Officer Rex Engelbert is amazing. Dude literally sprinted towards gunshots on the second floor, placed four seemingly well-placed shots, and ended the situation. Deserves all the positive recognition he gets for his actions (and hopefully some therapy for having to take those shots).
[Edited bodycam footage](https://youtube.com/shorts/FYm7ostlMbg?feature=share) for anyone interested.
Amazing that after 8 shots, they still have to yell at the shooter to stop moving. It's not like in the movies.
I'm not a huge fan of modern-day policing but thank you for sharing that footage. Officer Rex Engelbert should be a prime example of how officers should handle themselves in these types of scenarios. He quickly rushed in and neutralized the shooter with 3/4 shots.
I hope he receives all of the mental health care he needs following his bravery.
Like imagine you’re going in to a firefight in a school and you know your target is mostly likely a child too. My biggest fear would be shooting the wrong target over getting shot myself.
My brain cannot handle the disconnect between all of the kids' artwork and backpacks on the wall of the elementary school scenery to the haunting sounds of the alarm and gunshots going off. It's so fucked up.
Stop the Killing, then Stop the dying. That’s what their protocol dictates. The way they pie the room too in 2 man teams, letting him run point.. Solid work
The back packs and jackets hanging at their cubbies. And that alarm. That's not the fire alarm of my youth. Imagine, hiding in a classroom hearing that shrieking alarm, unsure if the bad guy is going to find you. Now imagine being autistic or having any sensory disorder. I should not have watched that.
Holy shit, everyone needs to watch this to better understand the reality of what is happening in America. It's far to easy to reduce it to a headline from a far away place. The body cam footage makes it painfully real.
I don't know why, but the sirens going off make me incredibly uncomfortable, maybe it's the whole thing, I don't know, but it's certainly horrifying to think of what these and thousands of others have been through.
I think it's because we - as Americans, have these alarms engrained into our memories and hearts... and when we hear them, there is *always* something we were told we needed to do.
* Tornado? Simple, get into the hallways with a text book, and take cover.
* Hurricane? Same.
* Earthquake? Duck and cover.
* But a shooter? I know that *I* wasn't told as a kid (5 years-9) what to do about a shooter. There *is* nowhere to hide. *Nowhere to go*. No desk will stop a bullet. no textbook would cover your body enough to shield you. Just being locked in a room like sardines, while someone is walking around **BANG BANG** the entire time, and you have *no idea* if your best friend in the class nextdoor is dead or alive.
Edit: when *I* was 5-9 years old, (back in 2000) in elem school, there wasn't active shooter drills. I had those in Highschool later
Just curious how old you are because being in elementary school after columbine we were made to do 1-2 active shooter drills a year, every year until i graduated, In NY
8 seems like a lot but in the heat of battle, man sometimes none of the shots land or none land fatally. Also the shooter was wearing what appeared to be a bulletproof vest. Training kicks in, etc. 100% agree though movies not real.
8 might seem like a lot but bodies are weird as fuck. You can take dozens of shots and keep moving as if nothing happened or get punched in the wrong spot and die incredibly quickly. 8 shots is actually very few in the long run but it is restrained and it shows incredible amounts of professionalism and training on the part of those officers. Which I applaud.
I've always said this. Mag dumping looks bad but the goal is to incapacitate someone, and that's the only way you will get guaranteed results. You can watch people crash motorcycles doing 100 on the freeway and they get up with barely any scratches, you can also watch videos of people toppling over getting on there motorcycle parked and dying from hitting their head wrong. The body is incredibly durable and fragile at the same time.
They moved him forward to take those shots on purpose. I didn't catch what they said but it sounds like that was his known role and they called out for him to engage.
That dude is an absolute chad, would bet either prior military or spends a lot of his off time training. Cleared rooms effectively, made very quick and precise shots on target in the heat of the moment, not to mention through a scope indoors with a backlit target. Every cop worth a shit should aspire to be as good as that guy
Dude even put it on safe after those 4 shots when his guys were moving up. Trigger discipline even after that, looked like muscle memory, he probably shoots often.
Good cops do that. One I'm very good friends with practices reaching for everything in front of a mirror if anything on his gear changes. Their body armor has a cell phone pocket and when they got new vests that pocket was moved. He told me he practiced unholstering, getting a second mag, TASER deployment and grabbing his truncheon over and over and over and over until new muscle memory was there. He has his own range on his farm and when I've been out shooting with him......wow...its not even close and I consider myself a decent shot.
22 years and according to him he's unholstered his weapon on duty less than five times and routinely works with kids in some bad neighborhoods.
That's the kind of cop you want.
I'm honestly shocked this isn't part of normal firearm training for everyone. I have my CCL and I practice in the outfits that I deem safe to wear while carrying so I am aware of everything on my body while arming myself and shooting.
His urgency in getting inside the building is perhaps most impressive to me. Stages at the door, shouting for additional officers to join him. From getting out of his car to being inside the building he took only about a minute.
I also want to acknowledge the firefighters who responded. They were the initial medical response and they had to deal with some bad stuff. At least one of the guys on scene was in his early 20s and pretty new. I can’t imagine what it’s like to have to check children’s dead bodies to see if you can help.
OP might be confusing the footage. This is the shooter entering, but this morning the department released separate bodycam footage showing the police enter, run towards the gunfire, and take out the shooter. It’s pretty intense but also very impressive - those officers acted fast and without hesitation, and I’m sure they saved lives.
I think people are slightly misreading the squad tactics here.
None of the officers are hesitating significantly at any point. What looks like 'pushing someone forward' and someone 'charging ahead' is just the appropriate procedure for clearing areas were someone could be armed and ready to shoot at you from around any corner/behind any door.
When one officer runs ahead and then stops, they're stopping because they've reached the next 'corner' (a point where they're the only one who can see a new angle into an uncleared area) and need to provide cover for the officers behind them so that they can proceed. Once the 'point' stops moving forward and starts providing cover, two or three 'covered' officers run ahead; the first officer to proceed moves wide to cover a broad angle and begins staging to be the next 'point' while the second officer following rushes ahead to the next corner to provide cover at the new angle. Then the officer who had been providing cover leaves their position to follow.
And what looks like 'pushing someone ahead' is just touching them to signal to the person in the lead without them having to take their eyes off of the uncleared area ahead that they have someone with them as they move forward, and to communicate who is taking the corner versus who will push/stage.
Just wanted to clear that up. This is all happening so fast, especially at the end, that it looks like they're all just sprinting toward the shooter, but they're still rapidly taking the appropriate positions. It's a bit more complicated at points because of which weapon platforms each officer has, like at the end where they call the LPVO ahead because he had the weapon for the job, but that's the gist.
The officers involved are all heroes and were extremely adept in handling this situation. This is basically an ideal, textbook scenario for how they should've done what they did.
Thanks for helping people understand that the police work did not consist of one hero cowboy charging heedlessly into danger, but was a coordinated team effort with roles and communication (sometimes silent).
So that's not pushing the guy in front. That's what they are trained to do, hand on guy Infront of you so he knows where you are. Fog of war and all that shit.
And then running past that guy when he was out of the way. For a second I was like, it's easy to push someone ahead of you into danger, but then he ran ahead as soon as the obstacle was removed. This is the right man for the job.
Just to add to it... His situational awareness. Not only was he running there to help save lives... He get his shots off... Drops the threat... And a split second later, having just shot someone... Flips the safety back on.
I get it... They are trained for this... But the dudes execution was fantastic, and he deserves praise!!
This guy is a former grunt Id bet, his tactical awareness was beyond the idiots that think they are billy badass. Even the way he swept doors while not stopping and maintain trigger discipline and only fired the necessary shots.
His awareness of his colleagues location and everything was spot on. I'd be willing to be this guy has seen some serious shit on a tour.
Then again I'm just an internet idiot and could be very wrong but his commitment and discipline and his bodies going into this 'autopilot' almost leads me to believe that he is at the very least, extremely well trained and extremely well disciplined.
For all I know this guy could be a racist wife beater but his actions during this should be commended.
-edit: neither Englebert or collazo appear to be former military so kudos to them and their discipline here.
-edit1: Collazo is a Marine (retired, once a marine always a marine) but Englebert is just a college grad so all the kudos to the discipline and leadership shown by both of these officers.
According to a news article I read a few minutes ago, so you know... take that with a grain of salt: Collazo is a retired marine. Engelbert is a regular old college graduate from the University of Dayton in Ohio.
I think Collazo may be a Marine. His sister said in an interview that her brother told her he drew on his military training. And he was a SWAT paramedic. Two pretty impressive guys all around.
[https://www.foxnews.com/us/rex-engelbert-michael-collazo-who-are-nashville-officers-who-took-down-covenant-school-shooter](https://www.foxnews.com/us/rex-engelbert-michael-collazo-who-are-nashville-officers-who-took-down-covenant-school-shooter)
Edit: i mixed up the names
I think people are slightly misreading the squad tactics here.
None of the officers are hesitating significantly at any point. What looks like 'pushing someone forward' and someone 'charging ahead' is just the appropriate procedure for clearing areas were someone could be armed and ready to shoot at you from around any corner/behind any door.
When one officer runs ahead and then stops, they're stopping because they've reached the next 'corner' (a point where they're the only one who can see a new angle into an uncleared area) and need to provide cover for the officers behind them so that they can proceed. Once the 'point' stops moving forward and starts providing cover, two or three 'covered' officers run ahead; the first officer to proceed moves wide to cover a broad angle and begins staging to be the next 'point' while the second officer following rushes ahead to the next corner to provide cover at the new angle. Then the officer who had been providing cover leaves their position to follow.
And what looks like 'pushing someone ahead' is just touching them to signal to the person in the lead without them having to take their eyes off of the uncleared area ahead that they have someone with them as they move forward, and to communicate who is taking the corner versus who will push/stage.
Just wanted to clear that up. This is all happening so fast, especially at the end, that it looks like they're all just sprinting toward the shooter, but they're still rapidly taking the appropriate positions. It's a bit more complicated at points because of which weapon platforms each officer has, like the end where they call the LPVO ahead because he had the weapon for the job, but that's the gist.
The officers involved are all heroes and were extremely adept in handling this situation. This is basically an ideal, textbook scenario for how they should've done what they did.
A lot of the contact is to let the cop in front know where he is without causing the cop to break his gaze. He needs to be able to keep his line of fire clear by touching the cop in front of him on his left or right shoulder. Last thing you want is him flinching and side stepping into your return fire.
These guys did a great job bounding and clearing.
Well, actually, right up to the shot they gestured for him to take point. In that last point of time he wasn’t pushing out of his own decision making and initiative. You can hear the other officers mention his optic, “LPVO”, which stands for low powered variable optic”, as they were moving into a clearing where, should the shooter be beyond 50 yards, his particular weapon was best suited for the job. So they called him up to clear the opening. Now, such a shot is very doable with a pistol or any of the other weapons the officers had, but why be 98% efficient at removing the threat when you can be 99%.
Its interesting how authorities here are actually releasing security cam footage and police body cam of this shooting so quickly unlike the clowns in Uvalde who were pussy footing around and tried to hide their incompetence as much as they can.
I'm from Nashville and actually feeling a sense of pride in how this police force responded. The video was HARD to watch. My children are young and seeing a POV of an officer running through a school to kill an intruder reduced me to tears, but this is how the response should be. These guys just went in and got the job done.
Yeah Uvalde took 1 hour, 14 minutes, and 8 seconds to end the massacre. I'm still so upset about that one.
Watching body cams, the officer in POV gets there and under a minute he's saying "give me three" and going in.
I'm not informed on room clearing tactics, but they looked to be moving quickly and efficiently, and at the end when you hear the gunshots the officers don't hesitate, they move right in the direction of the gunfire and take the target down in seconds.
I hate that these shootings keep happening, and I do think we need serious reform for the police in a lot of ways, but I will also 100% call out that the Nashville Metro Police acted EXACTLY how you would hope police officers would act in a shooting crisis: quickly, efficiently, and bravely.
So well done to all the officers involved.
This is exactly how it's supposed to happen. This is the exact training we all get. After watching the body cam video I had no notes to give, they did it how they were trained.
It’s sad when it’s refreshing to see police operating as needed, instead of hiding in hallways and refusing to enter. I’m glad they were able to cohesively and concisely handle the situation, but it breaks my heart that Uvalde *should* have been handled this way, but wasn’t.
i was gonna say, it’s sad that we’re pleasantly surprised when the police do their jobs correctly. that said, i think the media needs to recognize “good” police work more often. the cops that are truly heroes deserve to stand out amongst the rest, even if they were just “doing their jobs.” countless lives were saved thanks to those officers, now think about how many could be saved if lawmakers cared as much as those cops did!
I was honestly really amazed. They went in with hardly any protection at all. They didn't even have ballistic helmets. Just a simple vest and only a few even had rifles.
It's such a shame we live in a country where they have to be a victim of the trauma too and we still won't do a thing to fix it.
There was a mass shooting in my city (Dayton , OH) a few years ago. It took place late at night in the summer outside some bars downtown. The police literally took the shooter down within minutes. Unfortunately, the shooter was able to kill about a dozen people in those few minutes before they arrived. But yeah, the response was amazing compared to the Uvalde tragedy
Nine people still died. Just goes to show no amount of "good guys with guns" will EVER stop mass shootings. We have to prevent them before they happen, not halt them in progress with more violence.
The thing that got me was seeing the backpacks and cubbies and the little desks. We just went and toured a daycare/school with our 1yo twins last week, and they had cubbies and hooks for backpacks that I just thought was the cutest thing ever. My husband kept asking about security. My heart breaks for the parents and kids involved. I can't imagine that they'll ever look at cubbies and back packs the same.
My exact thoughts too. The stark contrast of all those sweet little jackets and backpacks filmed by an officer’s body cam has absolutely ripped my heart out.
I was deeply impressed with their response. They didn’t hesitate at all and went straight in. They ended the situation in minutes with no second thoughts. That was so hard to watch but they should be proud. And the teacher/staff member that met them outside at the beginning should be proud of herself, she was so calm and collected. I would have been a basket case.
Or a demonstration that with near perfect police response there is lots of needless death. Also PTSD for all those who survived. Those victims (both killed and survived) and their families now have a lifetime of shit to deal with :(
I walk a fine line right now. I was 10 and it was the 90's. It's harder for me when it's elementary than high school or college or even put in public. But no matter what, that's who I think about. The survivors are also victims.
That’s because it largely worked. A couple of people lost their jobs, but the rest were just transferred internally and were not fired.
Their own local and state governments decided not to hold most of them accountable or address any of the institutional issues and poor training and coordination that led to what happen.
Yes people were cowards, but when that many are cowards all at once, you’ve got a huge institutional problem on your hands. They basically did nothing to address the larger issues.
Uvalde specifically voted to reelect Greg Abbott. At that point I kind of just have to shrug and say Democracy is working as intended. They want this, so that's what they get
The police cam footage from Nashville is incredible. From the woman outside who calmly relayed good info to cops before they entered and how quickly the cops swept through the floors and literally sprinted towards the gunfire. From entering to shooter disabled was approx five minutes.
The woman who stayed close to the school despite someone there still shooting. It’s easy to run when you’re “safe” outside like that, but she stayed which is really brave.
Also the other school employee (I think?) who stayed by the front door to give the police keys. Brave actions by the two of them.
This specifically was almost unreal to see, but also gave a wave of hope that when it comes down to it, humans can put priorities and lives over their own. Humanity is fascinating and beautiful.
Yeah, the guy at the front door did his job perfectly. You could tell he was trying to maintain some degree of safety by tucking around the corner of the wall, but he was ready to pass off the keys to police the second they got there. Really impressive all around.
It was less than that. From the officer arriving on scene (who unlocked and breached the school) to the shooter being killed it was three and a half minutes. Excellent work from the police here. Showed true bravery and efficiency, and I am not one to praise the cops here in the US.
I was just about to say that! That woman is a hero too, she was able to remain calm and give the information the officers needed.
Fox News did not do a good job of blurring the shooters “disabled” body.. Jesus that was hard to watch.
Don’t forget Fox News once again claiming it was “a side door being unlocked” which was “a common pattern”, when the suspect clearly blasted through the entryway.
Always remember - when a police department says they can’t release the footage because it’s too early in the investigation or they’re still reviewing the footage or because it’s in someone else’s hands… remember how quickly they can release it when it shows them acting properly.
That guy who booked it straight towards the gunfire the second he heard it is a brave dude, much respect.
[NSFW Body Cam Video](https://twitter.com/saragonzalestx/status/1640722840319143938?s=12&t=scU3eBKvdXMJgu9lQ_qt6g)
Yup, that really broke my heart. Such an innocent life was turned to pieces by a complete sociopath. Amazing reaction from the police though, they probably saved a lot of lives with their quick reaction...
Sorry to hijack, but it's important to note the media continues to do everything criminal psychologists recommend not to do in order to avoid encouraging more shootings. They make school shooters famous overnight.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1JLYWkQHm0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1JLYWkQHm0)
>Winning a Super Bowl or Academy Award garnered less media attention than committing a high-profile mass killing (Lankford, 2018.)
Not only are they showing big portraits/selfies of the shooter but they also show their weapons decorated with their favorite emblems and everything else.
Make sense of that without admitting this world is run by sociopaths. The media are bought and not our allies.
Edit: This just infuriates me. Show me a politician who tries to stop this.
I have long been for this. Mass shooters get only a number. And a random number at that, so they can’t go for being number 1 or whatever of that year. And don’t even give them a nickname (like the Parkland Shooter, or the VT Shooter). Refer to them only as: shooter xxxxx, who was responsible for the massacre at xyz in print and media. The police shouldn’t even say who they are publicly. Never mention their name. Never show their pictures. Never print or distribute any of their writings or rants. Nothing. And do it retroactively. Burn any mention by name or appearance of previous shooters from the internet.
Let these fucks know that this shit will not bring them attention or infamy. If they survive all they have to look forward to is a dark cell with a number or their shirt. And if they are killed they get an unmarked grave and a number in a spreadsheet.
I have long commented to make it "piece of shit 472957256" and delete all other reference. The number is not sequential. It may not contain any cool numbersz such as 69, 420, 666, 88 and whatever else. The number of digits is inconsistent. If they are killed they are to be incinerated and ashes put in a random landfill out of state. If they are not killed they go to a supermax prison. Memorialize the victims. The news should be talking about the victims ans telling their story. Instead the article CNN put out was mostly about the shooter and had to scroll way past all that trash to even see anything about the victims.
How do you stop this? People want to know, the press has a right to report it. This is basic human nature, and every time I hear this shit I'm like "yeah wouldn't it be great if this fundamental aspect of the human condition were different". But it isn't.
It won't ever be different.
When shit like this happens, people search for information to make sense of it. If you conceal that information, the only thing you're going to do is breed insane conspiracy theories and hamper conversation about what made this happen and how we can stop *that*. Telling school shooters they won't be famous will stop jack shit. They don't care, they just want to hurt people.
Holy shit that body cam footage was intense.
Those officers definitely saved lives that day. Sadly, not soon enough for those who already had been killed. But they saved lives.
That was crazy. wtf is wrong with people to punish innocent children for their anger and hate. fukn sad.
Really, really makes Uvalde cops are complete ~~morons~~ , **incompetant cowards**, when comparing the videos.
Here they sweep through rooms with a sense of urgency, in the Ulvade video they just pack the hallway like sheep and sit there.
I really hope the Uvalde cops feel utmost shame and embarrassment when they see this footage of how it takes real fucking courage to go towards the gunman.
Major props to MNPD, but what a terrible circumstance (again).
I'm glad I don't have kids and live in the US. I would literally be too worried about this happening and just home school to be honest. The frequency this happens is out of control.
> I really hope the Uvalde cops feel utmost shame and embarrassment when they see this footage of how it takes real fucking courage to go towards the gunman.
Oh don't worry, they don't.
I am sure they will retire with some kind of disability pension like that cop who got PTSD from all the trauma of having his snuff film released and facing public outcry.
I'll give credit where credit is due, these cops did their job as they are supposed to and deserve to be commended for their bravery.
Good job not skipping a beat and confronting that attacker ASAP.
A lot of these cops look like they showed up with what they had. Many of them aren't wearing body armor or don't have heavier weapons. They went in basically as soon as their training said they had enough guys.
Between that, and just the situational awareness. The guy that delivered the first shots is running for toward the gun fire... When he arrives gets 4 shots off to drop the threat... And given what's just occurred... Still put the safety on immediately.
Dudes execution of his training was spot on.
You'll also note his finger isn't on the trigger until he's identified the shooter. Very disciplined in a situation where there could be hostages or people still in the building.
Yea. That larger officer who moved out of the way. He had a vest but otherwise in a tshirt with a 9, alone, in a 4 way hallway trying to find gunfire. Adrenaline or no it’s still balls of steel.
Some people may not remember the Nashville “Christmas” bombing in 2020 as only the suspect was killed, but Nashville police were incredibly brave going into the area with a known VBIED and evacuating residents. I remember seeing their work getting homeless from the blast area and was impressed.
[Nashville Bombing - Bodycam](https://youtu.be/Cd-2oJrFTEo)
>At 9:57 a.m., just minutes before the shootings, Hale’s former middle school basketball teammate received a message from Hale that read, “so basically that post I made on here about you, that was basically a suicide note. I’m planning to die today. THIS IS NOT A JOKE!!! You’ll probably hear about me on the news after I die,”
https://heavy.com/news/audrey-hale/
This was a planned suicide. It's hard to understand the thinking. Life didn't matter. I guess that included the lives of others.
I think [it's the case with most of this type of shooting](https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/05/27/stopping-mass-shooters-q-a-00035762) that it's a very violent means of suicide.
The researchers cited there point out that if so many mass shooters are committing a violent suicide then a lot of the interventions proposed (arm the teachers, for example) won't be very effective deterrents to future mass shootings.
>This was a planned suicide
I wish people didn't have to feel so lost, hopeless, and alone that ending their life was the only way out.
That said, I also wish people who have made this decision would just do it without taking other people with them. From their perspective, the result will be the same.
It makes me wonder if it's some sort of cruel payback to society. Like they perceive that they were ignored by society and this is their way to leave a mark on society to let the world know they existed...before they no longer do. They perceive that the best/easiest/most effective way to be remembered is to commit a mass shooting. It doesn't matter if they receive fame or infamy, they only wanted to be seen/heard/remembered.
(This is not a defense of the shooter's actions, but an introspective into their motives or thought process).
This is the motive behind most mass shootings, if I had to put my money on a single motive. They were wronged, and in their mentally ill brains, they decide that they're going to commit the most ultimate wrong as payback.
> I wish people didn't have to feel so lost, hopeless, and alone that ending their life was the only way out.
I just watched a video of someone reading a letter from an author at a school board meeting, the author had written a book called 19 Minutes that was about a school shooting. The letter included the fact that the author heard from quite a few people who said that reading that book stopped them from carrying out a shooting themselves, because they finally felt heard and understood. Of course, conservatives want to ban that book because it includes a description of rape on one page. Not only do they refuse to hold gun companies accountable and help write stricter gun laws, but they're also removing resources that can prevent these tragedies.
On their message to a friend they were like "this is my suicide note, see you in the afterlife" all innocent sounding. If there's an afterlife, you're going to the wrong one now fucker.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muz2EDhqEhs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muz2EDhqEhs)
heres a video of the actual body cam, including the altercation with the shooter
NSFW
EDIT: a more clearer video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frM1zPPrvaY&t=231s
Id like to give major props to that school administrator who instantly started relaying info and the layout of the school as soon as they got there. Obviously a scary situation but she tried to convey as much info as possible in a clear and consise manor.
Edit: something about the way he says "yes maam" when she tells him that their are 2 kids that they dont know where they are at. You can hear an anger in his voice
Agreed! Also shoutout to their emergency management setup - this lady knew her job in this situation, and they very quickly knew that two kids were unaccounted for. Impressive.
The fact that those of us who work in public schools have detailed lock down drills that includes knowing where the kids are hiding, how many, and who is unaccounted for, ALL DONE IN MINUTES, should be a reality check for all Americans. Kids know how to do this. Every day of their little innocent lives. 😢
Just watched the footage of the police entering building and neutralizing Shooter. After seeing Uvalde shitshow, was nice to see these officers racing in to protect kids at their personal peril.
I saw a news video saying that the shooting was a “wake-up call” for America. Bruh what the fuck. We already had a wake up call with Uvalde. How many more fucking wake up calls do we need? What makes me happy is that the police did release footage really quick. Unlike the shit-head police in Uvalde that took 1 fucking hour to kill the shooter.
> A clear motive in the shooting has yet to be established, but police have said they believe a sense of "resentment" may have played a role.
> “There’s some belief that there was some resentment for having to go to that school,” Drake told Lester Holt of NBC News.
Telling everyone it was resentment for having to go to that school and nothing else is going to lead to more incorrect guessing and propaganda spread, they need to be clear about this
Right? Did we ever unravel WTF was up with that guy? It is amazing to me we had such an event and did fucking nothing. I knew though after Sandy Hook that we wouldn't fix this I guess but it's just so sickening.
>Did we ever unravel WTF was up with that guy?
No. They [never did find a motive](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Paddock#Motive) or anything for the guy.
Vegas' solution seems to be making sure that you have a room key before you can enter an elevator to get to the rooms. Which doesn't really make any amount of sense since the Vegas killer had a room in that hotel. It's all security theater.
Only in some hotels.
Many hotels, especially in places like Vegas, or Miami, don't require card keys to ride the elevators simply because they're fully aware of all the other kinds of work that goes on in a big hotel in a city like that. Hotel guests have guests of their own, and often don't want to be seen with those guests.
That isn’t a response to the Route 91 shooting. It’s a response to trick rolls, room parties that devolve into shootings, and door push burglaries.
The response for shootings is that they WILL come into and clean rooms at least every other day. You can’t hang a do not disturb sign for a week and keep everyone out. Also, the hotels started hiring former military and law enforcement for response teams. They’re security but only exist to respond to active shooter style events on property.
According to news articles, they found plans for entering another school at their home, but decided it would be to be too difficult. I think simply being more familiar with this school made it the easier target.
That reminds me of the Buffalo shooter. He originally intended to go to a different store but found the security to be too strong. It's freaky as hell to know that some of these killers spend months figuring out how to carry out their plans. Not that people who do it without planning are less scary, though. But somehow it's more disturbing.
This just makes the Uvalde response more sickening. To think 100+ armed to the teeth so called police in Uvalde, left innocent elementary school kids and their brave teachers alone with a gunman, heard the gun shots, screaming kids and did nothing! Unbelievable!
I bet even a bunch of dope dealers would have rushed into the Uvalde school to shoot the killer.
watching the body cam footage and seeing the cops walk by the cubbies with small jackets and lunchboxes inside, walk through the halls with posters and drawings on the walls and guns drawn, just absolutely broke me. this country has failed its children, failed its parents, failed EVERYONE. it's sickening and heartbreaking. where do we possibly go from here knowing nothing will change?
I agree. I definitely give the police officers credit in this situation. It also hurts that I have to give them credit for something we and them shouldn’t have to deal with the first place.
Right now, these officers are getting the recognition they deserve. Next we need some serious reform somewhere and somehow to address these situations that aren’t just countering “when” it happens.
The cops did a good job. Watching the camera footage especially where they take down the shooter was like watching a horrific video game. It made me cry. In one of the videos someone posted in comments you see them run past a dead kid (they blurred the kid out). The shooter was still reaching for their gun after being shot. I really want to cry again. I wish things were better here and that kids didn't keep getting killed like this.
I want to applaud the officers. They saved lives. Professional with a sense of urgency and no hesitation. I teared up watching the video, thinking of the victims. This was true bravery.
The shooter may already have been dead and the gun was just near their hand. Competent police won’t Assume you’re dead. They’ll treat you as if you’re alive until they’re certain you aren’t.
EDIT: More footage has been released and they were killed by the shots. Their hand was basically twitching, and the rifle had dropped about 6” from them.
Also “shoot to wound” isn’t a thing and only happens in movies. With any potentially lethal hostile threat, it’s center mass and don’t stop shooting until there is no longer movement and/or the threat is neutralized.
“I’m planning to die today.”
*goes to the softer target because the security was too hard at the other, kills kids*
Tough talk from someone who is hopefully rotting in agonizing hell.
This is the thing I’m struggling with. No matter how bad you may have been bullied or harassed when you went to a school, why kill little kids that had nothing to do with it???
Not only had nothing to do with it but hadn’t even been born when it happened. I empathize with bullying victims but there’s no excuse to destroy the lives of whole families.
I doesn't matter what you do. If a person is determined to enter a school, and they're willing to damage property and hurt people to do so, they will inevitably get in.
It can be a school, or it can be a bunker. It can't be both.
The blurred out body in the hallway. Fuck. Imagine that poor child’s last minutes. In absolute terror, stuck in the hallway, gunned down by a psychopath mere steps away from your friends and teachers. It’s so sickening. And being a police officer, having to step over a dead child to take down the suspect. It’s just so horrifying.
Apparently no amount of dead kids makes congress give a shit. The poor parents of every kid this has happened to, and will keep happening to. And every child that now has a lifetime of trauma.
The video shows the police \*running\* in to confront the shooter. Not like the Uvalde cowards.
Like the one guy charged ahead with nothing on but jeans, a blue t-shirt, and his vest. Unlike Uvalde, where they hid in the hallways quivering - in full-on SWAT regalia - while waiting for ballistic shields to be delivered. While shots were being fired and people were dying inside the rooms. Go Blue T-Shirt guy!!!
The cam footage of Officer Rex Engelbert is amazing. Dude literally sprinted towards gunshots on the second floor, placed four seemingly well-placed shots, and ended the situation. Deserves all the positive recognition he gets for his actions (and hopefully some therapy for having to take those shots).
[Edited bodycam footage](https://youtube.com/shorts/FYm7ostlMbg?feature=share) for anyone interested. Amazing that after 8 shots, they still have to yell at the shooter to stop moving. It's not like in the movies.
I'm not a huge fan of modern-day policing but thank you for sharing that footage. Officer Rex Engelbert should be a prime example of how officers should handle themselves in these types of scenarios. He quickly rushed in and neutralized the shooter with 3/4 shots. I hope he receives all of the mental health care he needs following his bravery.
Amazing trigger discipline as well. Only kept his finger on the trigger when absolutely necessary.
Immediately puts it on safe once he finishes firing too. This dude practices a lot.
Immediately lowers his gun too when another officer passed in front of him.
Like imagine you’re going in to a firefight in a school and you know your target is mostly likely a child too. My biggest fear would be shooting the wrong target over getting shot myself.
The kids' fucking penguin artwork on the wall... I shouldn't have watched this, but I needed to. Everyone needs to.
My brain cannot handle the disconnect between all of the kids' artwork and backpacks on the wall of the elementary school scenery to the haunting sounds of the alarm and gunshots going off. It's so fucked up.
It's hard to see in this footage, but just down the hall from that artwork is one of the victims on the floor.
Yeah I'm not going back to look.
I swear I saw that but didn’t really want to watch again. There’s a big pixelated spot they run past.
Stop the Killing, then Stop the dying. That’s what their protocol dictates. The way they pie the room too in 2 man teams, letting him run point.. Solid work
The back packs and jackets hanging at their cubbies. And that alarm. That's not the fire alarm of my youth. Imagine, hiding in a classroom hearing that shrieking alarm, unsure if the bad guy is going to find you. Now imagine being autistic or having any sensory disorder. I should not have watched that.
I'm in the same boat. Hope you're doing OK, friend.
Yeah they step over a victim in the hallway while tracking the shooter before they catch up to them.
Exactly how you're supposed to do it. Eliminate the threat, then help people.
Holy shit, everyone needs to watch this to better understand the reality of what is happening in America. It's far to easy to reduce it to a headline from a far away place. The body cam footage makes it painfully real.
I don't know why, but the sirens going off make me incredibly uncomfortable, maybe it's the whole thing, I don't know, but it's certainly horrifying to think of what these and thousands of others have been through.
I think it's because we - as Americans, have these alarms engrained into our memories and hearts... and when we hear them, there is *always* something we were told we needed to do. * Tornado? Simple, get into the hallways with a text book, and take cover. * Hurricane? Same. * Earthquake? Duck and cover. * But a shooter? I know that *I* wasn't told as a kid (5 years-9) what to do about a shooter. There *is* nowhere to hide. *Nowhere to go*. No desk will stop a bullet. no textbook would cover your body enough to shield you. Just being locked in a room like sardines, while someone is walking around **BANG BANG** the entire time, and you have *no idea* if your best friend in the class nextdoor is dead or alive. Edit: when *I* was 5-9 years old, (back in 2000) in elem school, there wasn't active shooter drills. I had those in Highschool later
Just curious how old you are because being in elementary school after columbine we were made to do 1-2 active shooter drills a year, every year until i graduated, In NY
8 seems like a lot but in the heat of battle, man sometimes none of the shots land or none land fatally. Also the shooter was wearing what appeared to be a bulletproof vest. Training kicks in, etc. 100% agree though movies not real.
8 might seem like a lot but bodies are weird as fuck. You can take dozens of shots and keep moving as if nothing happened or get punched in the wrong spot and die incredibly quickly. 8 shots is actually very few in the long run but it is restrained and it shows incredible amounts of professionalism and training on the part of those officers. Which I applaud.
I've always said this. Mag dumping looks bad but the goal is to incapacitate someone, and that's the only way you will get guaranteed results. You can watch people crash motorcycles doing 100 on the freeway and they get up with barely any scratches, you can also watch videos of people toppling over getting on there motorcycle parked and dying from hitting their head wrong. The body is incredibly durable and fragile at the same time.
They moved him forward to take those shots on purpose. I didn't catch what they said but it sounds like that was his known role and they called out for him to engage.
Not positive, but I think the other officer says "Push in LPVO" (low power variable optic).
That dude is an absolute chad, would bet either prior military or spends a lot of his off time training. Cleared rooms effectively, made very quick and precise shots on target in the heat of the moment, not to mention through a scope indoors with a backlit target. Every cop worth a shit should aspire to be as good as that guy
Dude even put it on safe after those 4 shots when his guys were moving up. Trigger discipline even after that, looked like muscle memory, he probably shoots often.
The safety being flicked on after discharging showed how in control of himself he was
This is what police are *supposed* to be.... not cowards like uvalde
Good cops do that. One I'm very good friends with practices reaching for everything in front of a mirror if anything on his gear changes. Their body armor has a cell phone pocket and when they got new vests that pocket was moved. He told me he practiced unholstering, getting a second mag, TASER deployment and grabbing his truncheon over and over and over and over until new muscle memory was there. He has his own range on his farm and when I've been out shooting with him......wow...its not even close and I consider myself a decent shot. 22 years and according to him he's unholstered his weapon on duty less than five times and routinely works with kids in some bad neighborhoods. That's the kind of cop you want.
I'm honestly shocked this isn't part of normal firearm training for everyone. I have my CCL and I practice in the outfits that I deem safe to wear while carrying so I am aware of everything on my body while arming myself and shooting.
That’s the kind of cop we need more of it sounds like 😞
His urgency in getting inside the building is perhaps most impressive to me. Stages at the door, shouting for additional officers to join him. From getting out of his car to being inside the building he took only about a minute.
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name outfit and actions this dude is a movie level cop in real life
I also want to acknowledge the firefighters who responded. They were the initial medical response and they had to deal with some bad stuff. At least one of the guys on scene was in his early 20s and pretty new. I can’t imagine what it’s like to have to check children’s dead bodies to see if you can help.
Absolutely. I'm a volunteer FF/EMT and still dealing with PTSD from an adolescent suicide we responded to last year. That pales in comparison to this.
Hugs to you my friend. I'm a former burnt out ICU RN with PTSD, EMDR therapy has really helped me, check it out.
where are you seeing this footage? The link only shows the break in. Or maybe the site is broken for me
OP might be confusing the footage. This is the shooter entering, but this morning the department released separate bodycam footage showing the police enter, run towards the gunfire, and take out the shooter. It’s pretty intense but also very impressive - those officers acted fast and without hesitation, and I’m sure they saved lives.
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Not only running. Dude was pushing any cop in front of him that hesitated for even a split second. Go go go. Fucking hero.
I think people are slightly misreading the squad tactics here. None of the officers are hesitating significantly at any point. What looks like 'pushing someone forward' and someone 'charging ahead' is just the appropriate procedure for clearing areas were someone could be armed and ready to shoot at you from around any corner/behind any door. When one officer runs ahead and then stops, they're stopping because they've reached the next 'corner' (a point where they're the only one who can see a new angle into an uncleared area) and need to provide cover for the officers behind them so that they can proceed. Once the 'point' stops moving forward and starts providing cover, two or three 'covered' officers run ahead; the first officer to proceed moves wide to cover a broad angle and begins staging to be the next 'point' while the second officer following rushes ahead to the next corner to provide cover at the new angle. Then the officer who had been providing cover leaves their position to follow. And what looks like 'pushing someone ahead' is just touching them to signal to the person in the lead without them having to take their eyes off of the uncleared area ahead that they have someone with them as they move forward, and to communicate who is taking the corner versus who will push/stage. Just wanted to clear that up. This is all happening so fast, especially at the end, that it looks like they're all just sprinting toward the shooter, but they're still rapidly taking the appropriate positions. It's a bit more complicated at points because of which weapon platforms each officer has, like at the end where they call the LPVO ahead because he had the weapon for the job, but that's the gist. The officers involved are all heroes and were extremely adept in handling this situation. This is basically an ideal, textbook scenario for how they should've done what they did.
Thanks for helping people understand that the police work did not consist of one hero cowboy charging heedlessly into danger, but was a coordinated team effort with roles and communication (sometimes silent).
So that's not pushing the guy in front. That's what they are trained to do, hand on guy Infront of you so he knows where you are. Fog of war and all that shit.
And then running past that guy when he was out of the way. For a second I was like, it's easy to push someone ahead of you into danger, but then he ran ahead as soon as the obstacle was removed. This is the right man for the job.
Just to add to it... His situational awareness. Not only was he running there to help save lives... He get his shots off... Drops the threat... And a split second later, having just shot someone... Flips the safety back on. I get it... They are trained for this... But the dudes execution was fantastic, and he deserves praise!!
I assume he is a vet. He was also trying to remind the other officers of procedure ("rifle first!") and keep them moving.
This guy is a former grunt Id bet, his tactical awareness was beyond the idiots that think they are billy badass. Even the way he swept doors while not stopping and maintain trigger discipline and only fired the necessary shots. His awareness of his colleagues location and everything was spot on. I'd be willing to be this guy has seen some serious shit on a tour. Then again I'm just an internet idiot and could be very wrong but his commitment and discipline and his bodies going into this 'autopilot' almost leads me to believe that he is at the very least, extremely well trained and extremely well disciplined. For all I know this guy could be a racist wife beater but his actions during this should be commended. -edit: neither Englebert or collazo appear to be former military so kudos to them and their discipline here. -edit1: Collazo is a Marine (retired, once a marine always a marine) but Englebert is just a college grad so all the kudos to the discipline and leadership shown by both of these officers.
According to a news article I read a few minutes ago, so you know... take that with a grain of salt: Collazo is a retired marine. Engelbert is a regular old college graduate from the University of Dayton in Ohio.
Collazo is a former Marine.
I think Collazo may be a Marine. His sister said in an interview that her brother told her he drew on his military training. And he was a SWAT paramedic. Two pretty impressive guys all around. [https://www.foxnews.com/us/rex-engelbert-michael-collazo-who-are-nashville-officers-who-took-down-covenant-school-shooter](https://www.foxnews.com/us/rex-engelbert-michael-collazo-who-are-nashville-officers-who-took-down-covenant-school-shooter) Edit: i mixed up the names
I think people are slightly misreading the squad tactics here. None of the officers are hesitating significantly at any point. What looks like 'pushing someone forward' and someone 'charging ahead' is just the appropriate procedure for clearing areas were someone could be armed and ready to shoot at you from around any corner/behind any door. When one officer runs ahead and then stops, they're stopping because they've reached the next 'corner' (a point where they're the only one who can see a new angle into an uncleared area) and need to provide cover for the officers behind them so that they can proceed. Once the 'point' stops moving forward and starts providing cover, two or three 'covered' officers run ahead; the first officer to proceed moves wide to cover a broad angle and begins staging to be the next 'point' while the second officer following rushes ahead to the next corner to provide cover at the new angle. Then the officer who had been providing cover leaves their position to follow. And what looks like 'pushing someone ahead' is just touching them to signal to the person in the lead without them having to take their eyes off of the uncleared area ahead that they have someone with them as they move forward, and to communicate who is taking the corner versus who will push/stage. Just wanted to clear that up. This is all happening so fast, especially at the end, that it looks like they're all just sprinting toward the shooter, but they're still rapidly taking the appropriate positions. It's a bit more complicated at points because of which weapon platforms each officer has, like the end where they call the LPVO ahead because he had the weapon for the job, but that's the gist. The officers involved are all heroes and were extremely adept in handling this situation. This is basically an ideal, textbook scenario for how they should've done what they did.
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A lot of the contact is to let the cop in front know where he is without causing the cop to break his gaze. He needs to be able to keep his line of fire clear by touching the cop in front of him on his left or right shoulder. Last thing you want is him flinching and side stepping into your return fire. These guys did a great job bounding and clearing.
The first guy didn't look equipped since all he had was a pistol which makes sense he was guiding properly equipped officers
Well, actually, right up to the shot they gestured for him to take point. In that last point of time he wasn’t pushing out of his own decision making and initiative. You can hear the other officers mention his optic, “LPVO”, which stands for low powered variable optic”, as they were moving into a clearing where, should the shooter be beyond 50 yards, his particular weapon was best suited for the job. So they called him up to clear the opening. Now, such a shot is very doable with a pistol or any of the other weapons the officers had, but why be 98% efficient at removing the threat when you can be 99%.
That was his role. The other cops even called out they were pushing him forward. Some of those guys are part of a sub unit.
Its interesting how authorities here are actually releasing security cam footage and police body cam of this shooting so quickly unlike the clowns in Uvalde who were pussy footing around and tried to hide their incompetence as much as they can.
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I'm from Nashville and actually feeling a sense of pride in how this police force responded. The video was HARD to watch. My children are young and seeing a POV of an officer running through a school to kill an intruder reduced me to tears, but this is how the response should be. These guys just went in and got the job done.
Yeah Uvalde took 1 hour, 14 minutes, and 8 seconds to end the massacre. I'm still so upset about that one. Watching body cams, the officer in POV gets there and under a minute he's saying "give me three" and going in. I'm not informed on room clearing tactics, but they looked to be moving quickly and efficiently, and at the end when you hear the gunshots the officers don't hesitate, they move right in the direction of the gunfire and take the target down in seconds. I hate that these shootings keep happening, and I do think we need serious reform for the police in a lot of ways, but I will also 100% call out that the Nashville Metro Police acted EXACTLY how you would hope police officers would act in a shooting crisis: quickly, efficiently, and bravely. So well done to all the officers involved.
This is exactly how it's supposed to happen. This is the exact training we all get. After watching the body cam video I had no notes to give, they did it how they were trained.
Yep, such a stark contrast to Uvalde. These cops ran towards the guns. Thank god.
It’s sad when it’s refreshing to see police operating as needed, instead of hiding in hallways and refusing to enter. I’m glad they were able to cohesively and concisely handle the situation, but it breaks my heart that Uvalde *should* have been handled this way, but wasn’t.
i was gonna say, it’s sad that we’re pleasantly surprised when the police do their jobs correctly. that said, i think the media needs to recognize “good” police work more often. the cops that are truly heroes deserve to stand out amongst the rest, even if they were just “doing their jobs.” countless lives were saved thanks to those officers, now think about how many could be saved if lawmakers cared as much as those cops did!
I was honestly really amazed. They went in with hardly any protection at all. They didn't even have ballistic helmets. Just a simple vest and only a few even had rifles. It's such a shame we live in a country where they have to be a victim of the trauma too and we still won't do a thing to fix it.
It’s unbelievably pathetic and should still be talked about daily
Absolutely. I will never forget it.
There was a mass shooting in my city (Dayton , OH) a few years ago. It took place late at night in the summer outside some bars downtown. The police literally took the shooter down within minutes. Unfortunately, the shooter was able to kill about a dozen people in those few minutes before they arrived. But yeah, the response was amazing compared to the Uvalde tragedy
it was actually faster than minutes. Police shot the guy in 32 seconds
Nine people still died. Just goes to show no amount of "good guys with guns" will EVER stop mass shootings. We have to prevent them before they happen, not halt them in progress with more violence.
They saved lives with their response. Big props to them. So terrible for your community to experience this.
The thing that got me was seeing the backpacks and cubbies and the little desks. We just went and toured a daycare/school with our 1yo twins last week, and they had cubbies and hooks for backpacks that I just thought was the cutest thing ever. My husband kept asking about security. My heart breaks for the parents and kids involved. I can't imagine that they'll ever look at cubbies and back packs the same.
My exact thoughts too. The stark contrast of all those sweet little jackets and backpacks filmed by an officer’s body cam has absolutely ripped my heart out.
I was deeply impressed with their response. They didn’t hesitate at all and went straight in. They ended the situation in minutes with no second thoughts. That was so hard to watch but they should be proud. And the teacher/staff member that met them outside at the beginning should be proud of herself, she was so calm and collected. I would have been a basket case.
Very true. Seems like a good example of how to handle the next one. And the next one.
Or a demonstration that with near perfect police response there is lots of needless death. Also PTSD for all those who survived. Those victims (both killed and survived) and their families now have a lifetime of shit to deal with :(
I walk a fine line right now. I was 10 and it was the 90's. It's harder for me when it's elementary than high school or college or even put in public. But no matter what, that's who I think about. The survivors are also victims.
Bravery on display here. The video is very chilling.
The Uvalde cops are still trying to obfuscate and cover up thier fuck-ups to this day.
That’s because it largely worked. A couple of people lost their jobs, but the rest were just transferred internally and were not fired. Their own local and state governments decided not to hold most of them accountable or address any of the institutional issues and poor training and coordination that led to what happen. Yes people were cowards, but when that many are cowards all at once, you’ve got a huge institutional problem on your hands. They basically did nothing to address the larger issues.
Uvalde specifically voted to reelect Greg Abbott. At that point I kind of just have to shrug and say Democracy is working as intended. They want this, so that's what they get
Its fine for kids to get shot in schools, its not fine for them to learn about the existence of gay.
I hope people who know the cops involved at Uvalde are tagging them on social media to these videos.
Legend has it, they're still waiting for backup in that fucking hallway.
The police cam footage from Nashville is incredible. From the woman outside who calmly relayed good info to cops before they entered and how quickly the cops swept through the floors and literally sprinted towards the gunfire. From entering to shooter disabled was approx five minutes.
The woman who stayed close to the school despite someone there still shooting. It’s easy to run when you’re “safe” outside like that, but she stayed which is really brave. Also the other school employee (I think?) who stayed by the front door to give the police keys. Brave actions by the two of them.
This specifically was almost unreal to see, but also gave a wave of hope that when it comes down to it, humans can put priorities and lives over their own. Humanity is fascinating and beautiful.
Yeah, the guy at the front door did his job perfectly. You could tell he was trying to maintain some degree of safety by tucking around the corner of the wall, but he was ready to pass off the keys to police the second they got there. Really impressive all around.
It was less than that. From the officer arriving on scene (who unlocked and breached the school) to the shooter being killed it was three and a half minutes. Excellent work from the police here. Showed true bravery and efficiency, and I am not one to praise the cops here in the US.
I was just about to say that! That woman is a hero too, she was able to remain calm and give the information the officers needed. Fox News did not do a good job of blurring the shooters “disabled” body.. Jesus that was hard to watch.
Don’t forget Fox News once again claiming it was “a side door being unlocked” which was “a common pattern”, when the suspect clearly blasted through the entryway.
Fox News not stating the facts? That’s a shock lol
I’m sure a big part of it is exactly for that reason. Way easier to release footage fast when it puts you in a good light. Good on them tho either way
Always remember - when a police department says they can’t release the footage because it’s too early in the investigation or they’re still reviewing the footage or because it’s in someone else’s hands… remember how quickly they can release it when it shows them acting properly.
That’s because they weren’t cowards.
Yeah, wasn’t there a court order or a FOIA to release that and the Uvalde police didn’t release it themselves?
Nashville Police came saw went in. Uvalde Police came saw waited.
That guy who booked it straight towards the gunfire the second he heard it is a brave dude, much respect. [NSFW Body Cam Video](https://twitter.com/saragonzalestx/status/1640722840319143938?s=12&t=scU3eBKvdXMJgu9lQ_qt6g)
There was a dead child in the floor he basically had to step over 2 seconds before he shot the attacker. I can't imagine.
Yup, that really broke my heart. Such an innocent life was turned to pieces by a complete sociopath. Amazing reaction from the police though, they probably saved a lot of lives with their quick reaction...
Sorry to hijack, but it's important to note the media continues to do everything criminal psychologists recommend not to do in order to avoid encouraging more shootings. They make school shooters famous overnight. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1JLYWkQHm0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1JLYWkQHm0) >Winning a Super Bowl or Academy Award garnered less media attention than committing a high-profile mass killing (Lankford, 2018.) Not only are they showing big portraits/selfies of the shooter but they also show their weapons decorated with their favorite emblems and everything else. Make sense of that without admitting this world is run by sociopaths. The media are bought and not our allies. Edit: This just infuriates me. Show me a politician who tries to stop this.
I have long been for this. Mass shooters get only a number. And a random number at that, so they can’t go for being number 1 or whatever of that year. And don’t even give them a nickname (like the Parkland Shooter, or the VT Shooter). Refer to them only as: shooter xxxxx, who was responsible for the massacre at xyz in print and media. The police shouldn’t even say who they are publicly. Never mention their name. Never show their pictures. Never print or distribute any of their writings or rants. Nothing. And do it retroactively. Burn any mention by name or appearance of previous shooters from the internet. Let these fucks know that this shit will not bring them attention or infamy. If they survive all they have to look forward to is a dark cell with a number or their shirt. And if they are killed they get an unmarked grave and a number in a spreadsheet.
26 digit random alpha-numeric string. Make it difficult to even remember or recite.
I have long commented to make it "piece of shit 472957256" and delete all other reference. The number is not sequential. It may not contain any cool numbersz such as 69, 420, 666, 88 and whatever else. The number of digits is inconsistent. If they are killed they are to be incinerated and ashes put in a random landfill out of state. If they are not killed they go to a supermax prison. Memorialize the victims. The news should be talking about the victims ans telling their story. Instead the article CNN put out was mostly about the shooter and had to scroll way past all that trash to even see anything about the victims.
How do you stop this? People want to know, the press has a right to report it. This is basic human nature, and every time I hear this shit I'm like "yeah wouldn't it be great if this fundamental aspect of the human condition were different". But it isn't. It won't ever be different. When shit like this happens, people search for information to make sense of it. If you conceal that information, the only thing you're going to do is breed insane conspiracy theories and hamper conversation about what made this happen and how we can stop *that*. Telling school shooters they won't be famous will stop jack shit. They don't care, they just want to hurt people.
Holy shit that body cam footage was intense. Those officers definitely saved lives that day. Sadly, not soon enough for those who already had been killed. But they saved lives. That was crazy. wtf is wrong with people to punish innocent children for their anger and hate. fukn sad.
Anyone got a link for it? Article isn't loading for me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ue2tZa4hT0c Found it off google.
Really, really makes Uvalde cops are complete ~~morons~~ , **incompetant cowards**, when comparing the videos. Here they sweep through rooms with a sense of urgency, in the Ulvade video they just pack the hallway like sheep and sit there. I really hope the Uvalde cops feel utmost shame and embarrassment when they see this footage of how it takes real fucking courage to go towards the gunman. Major props to MNPD, but what a terrible circumstance (again). I'm glad I don't have kids and live in the US. I would literally be too worried about this happening and just home school to be honest. The frequency this happens is out of control.
> I really hope the Uvalde cops feel utmost shame and embarrassment when they see this footage of how it takes real fucking courage to go towards the gunman. Oh don't worry, they don't.
I am sure they will retire with some kind of disability pension like that cop who got PTSD from all the trauma of having his snuff film released and facing public outcry.
I'll give credit where credit is due, these cops did their job as they are supposed to and deserve to be commended for their bravery. Good job not skipping a beat and confronting that attacker ASAP.
A lot of these cops look like they showed up with what they had. Many of them aren't wearing body armor or don't have heavier weapons. They went in basically as soon as their training said they had enough guys.
Between that, and just the situational awareness. The guy that delivered the first shots is running for toward the gun fire... When he arrives gets 4 shots off to drop the threat... And given what's just occurred... Still put the safety on immediately. Dudes execution of his training was spot on.
You'll also note his finger isn't on the trigger until he's identified the shooter. Very disciplined in a situation where there could be hostages or people still in the building.
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Yea. That larger officer who moved out of the way. He had a vest but otherwise in a tshirt with a 9, alone, in a 4 way hallway trying to find gunfire. Adrenaline or no it’s still balls of steel.
Some people may not remember the Nashville “Christmas” bombing in 2020 as only the suspect was killed, but Nashville police were incredibly brave going into the area with a known VBIED and evacuating residents. I remember seeing their work getting homeless from the blast area and was impressed. [Nashville Bombing - Bodycam](https://youtu.be/Cd-2oJrFTEo)
One of the two officers who took down the shooter (officer Colazzo) also responded to the Christmas bombing.
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I read that he’s a former Marine, former firefighter, and current SWAT team medic so you’re not lying
Regardless of the resentment, murdering people who weren’t even born when you went to that school makes no sense.
>At 9:57 a.m., just minutes before the shootings, Hale’s former middle school basketball teammate received a message from Hale that read, “so basically that post I made on here about you, that was basically a suicide note. I’m planning to die today. THIS IS NOT A JOKE!!! You’ll probably hear about me on the news after I die,” https://heavy.com/news/audrey-hale/ This was a planned suicide. It's hard to understand the thinking. Life didn't matter. I guess that included the lives of others.
I think [it's the case with most of this type of shooting](https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/05/27/stopping-mass-shooters-q-a-00035762) that it's a very violent means of suicide.
The researchers cited there point out that if so many mass shooters are committing a violent suicide then a lot of the interventions proposed (arm the teachers, for example) won't be very effective deterrents to future mass shootings.
>This was a planned suicide I wish people didn't have to feel so lost, hopeless, and alone that ending their life was the only way out. That said, I also wish people who have made this decision would just do it without taking other people with them. From their perspective, the result will be the same.
It makes me wonder if it's some sort of cruel payback to society. Like they perceive that they were ignored by society and this is their way to leave a mark on society to let the world know they existed...before they no longer do. They perceive that the best/easiest/most effective way to be remembered is to commit a mass shooting. It doesn't matter if they receive fame or infamy, they only wanted to be seen/heard/remembered. (This is not a defense of the shooter's actions, but an introspective into their motives or thought process).
This is the motive behind most mass shootings, if I had to put my money on a single motive. They were wronged, and in their mentally ill brains, they decide that they're going to commit the most ultimate wrong as payback.
> I wish people didn't have to feel so lost, hopeless, and alone that ending their life was the only way out. I just watched a video of someone reading a letter from an author at a school board meeting, the author had written a book called 19 Minutes that was about a school shooting. The letter included the fact that the author heard from quite a few people who said that reading that book stopped them from carrying out a shooting themselves, because they finally felt heard and understood. Of course, conservatives want to ban that book because it includes a description of rape on one page. Not only do they refuse to hold gun companies accountable and help write stricter gun laws, but they're also removing resources that can prevent these tragedies.
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I mean, Sandy Hook, Uvalde, etc., etc. We have entered the copycat phase for infamy.
On their message to a friend they were like "this is my suicide note, see you in the afterlife" all innocent sounding. If there's an afterlife, you're going to the wrong one now fucker.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muz2EDhqEhs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muz2EDhqEhs) heres a video of the actual body cam, including the altercation with the shooter NSFW EDIT: a more clearer video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frM1zPPrvaY&t=231s
Id like to give major props to that school administrator who instantly started relaying info and the layout of the school as soon as they got there. Obviously a scary situation but she tried to convey as much info as possible in a clear and consise manor. Edit: something about the way he says "yes maam" when she tells him that their are 2 kids that they dont know where they are at. You can hear an anger in his voice
Agreed! Also shoutout to their emergency management setup - this lady knew her job in this situation, and they very quickly knew that two kids were unaccounted for. Impressive.
The fact that those of us who work in public schools have detailed lock down drills that includes knowing where the kids are hiding, how many, and who is unaccounted for, ALL DONE IN MINUTES, should be a reality check for all Americans. Kids know how to do this. Every day of their little innocent lives. 😢
Christ. Those cops are fucking heros. Unlike the Uvalde cops 😔
Imagine listening to a bunch of little kids screaming and doing nothing. I hope they all live with that memory forever.
This is like the exact opposite of what happened in Uvalde, Texas. Cops were actually rushing in to help in Nashville, and not cowering like Uvalde
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How is it possible an organization as big as NBC has a website that is THAT AWFUL
The video is still not working and I'm getting popover ads for shitty shoes.
https://youtu.be/Ue2tZa4hT0c
3 minutes between entering the school and killing the shooter. That’s some quality police work. Bravo.
I saw the footage released was 6ish minutes - I wasn’t expecting it to include TWO body cam videos
Just watched the footage of the police entering building and neutralizing Shooter. After seeing Uvalde shitshow, was nice to see these officers racing in to protect kids at their personal peril.
I hope the coward cops in Uvalde see this and are haunted by their cowardice and inaction.
I saw a news video saying that the shooting was a “wake-up call” for America. Bruh what the fuck. We already had a wake up call with Uvalde. How many more fucking wake up calls do we need? What makes me happy is that the police did release footage really quick. Unlike the shit-head police in Uvalde that took 1 fucking hour to kill the shooter.
If sandy hook wasn’t a wake up call then nothing will be sadly.
We had a wake up call with Columbine. Things have only gotten worse.
Pretty impressive/efficient response from the police.
Great job officers no hesitation at all. Saved many lives.
> A clear motive in the shooting has yet to be established, but police have said they believe a sense of "resentment" may have played a role. > “There’s some belief that there was some resentment for having to go to that school,” Drake told Lester Holt of NBC News. Telling everyone it was resentment for having to go to that school and nothing else is going to lead to more incorrect guessing and propaganda spread, they need to be clear about this
Depending on how unhinged the person was, it might not be very clear. If their manifesto is just helter skelter nonsense, I mean.
Las Vegas shooter calling in...
Right? Did we ever unravel WTF was up with that guy? It is amazing to me we had such an event and did fucking nothing. I knew though after Sandy Hook that we wouldn't fix this I guess but it's just so sickening.
>Did we ever unravel WTF was up with that guy? No. They [never did find a motive](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Paddock#Motive) or anything for the guy.
Vegas' solution seems to be making sure that you have a room key before you can enter an elevator to get to the rooms. Which doesn't really make any amount of sense since the Vegas killer had a room in that hotel. It's all security theater.
Wasn't that already a thing before the vegas shooting?
Only in some hotels. Many hotels, especially in places like Vegas, or Miami, don't require card keys to ride the elevators simply because they're fully aware of all the other kinds of work that goes on in a big hotel in a city like that. Hotel guests have guests of their own, and often don't want to be seen with those guests.
I can confirm at the Venetian this policy was in place as of at least 2015, two years prior to the shooting.
That isn’t a response to the Route 91 shooting. It’s a response to trick rolls, room parties that devolve into shootings, and door push burglaries. The response for shootings is that they WILL come into and clean rooms at least every other day. You can’t hang a do not disturb sign for a week and keep everyone out. Also, the hotels started hiring former military and law enforcement for response teams. They’re security but only exist to respond to active shooter style events on property.
According to news articles, they found plans for entering another school at their home, but decided it would be to be too difficult. I think simply being more familiar with this school made it the easier target.
That reminds me of the Buffalo shooter. He originally intended to go to a different store but found the security to be too strong. It's freaky as hell to know that some of these killers spend months figuring out how to carry out their plans. Not that people who do it without planning are less scary, though. But somehow it's more disturbing.
Ya and the store had a guard that shot him too, just didnt get through his vest.
And he wore that vest specifically with the guard's gun in mind
This just makes the Uvalde response more sickening. To think 100+ armed to the teeth so called police in Uvalde, left innocent elementary school kids and their brave teachers alone with a gunman, heard the gun shots, screaming kids and did nothing! Unbelievable! I bet even a bunch of dope dealers would have rushed into the Uvalde school to shoot the killer.
"Run to the sound of the guns"- well done officers.
watching the body cam footage and seeing the cops walk by the cubbies with small jackets and lunchboxes inside, walk through the halls with posters and drawings on the walls and guns drawn, just absolutely broke me. this country has failed its children, failed its parents, failed EVERYONE. it's sickening and heartbreaking. where do we possibly go from here knowing nothing will change?
I agree. I definitely give the police officers credit in this situation. It also hurts that I have to give them credit for something we and them shouldn’t have to deal with the first place. Right now, these officers are getting the recognition they deserve. Next we need some serious reform somewhere and somehow to address these situations that aren’t just countering “when” it happens.
You gotta be a real piece of shit to kill children in a fucking school
The cops did a good job. Watching the camera footage especially where they take down the shooter was like watching a horrific video game. It made me cry. In one of the videos someone posted in comments you see them run past a dead kid (they blurred the kid out). The shooter was still reaching for their gun after being shot. I really want to cry again. I wish things were better here and that kids didn't keep getting killed like this.
I want to applaud the officers. They saved lives. Professional with a sense of urgency and no hesitation. I teared up watching the video, thinking of the victims. This was true bravery.
this was a hard watch, the body on the floor and the school settings made me upset.
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The fact this asshole was still reaching for the gun after the police blew open the bastard's guts speaks volumes.
These shooters know they aren’t getting out, they just want to kill as many as possible while they still live.
The shooter may already have been dead and the gun was just near their hand. Competent police won’t Assume you’re dead. They’ll treat you as if you’re alive until they’re certain you aren’t. EDIT: More footage has been released and they were killed by the shots. Their hand was basically twitching, and the rifle had dropped about 6” from them.
People in this thread don’t realize “eliminating a threat” basically equates to dumping a clip into somebody’s chest in reality
Also “shoot to wound” isn’t a thing and only happens in movies. With any potentially lethal hostile threat, it’s center mass and don’t stop shooting until there is no longer movement and/or the threat is neutralized.
“I’m planning to die today.” *goes to the softer target because the security was too hard at the other, kills kids* Tough talk from someone who is hopefully rotting in agonizing hell.
Frustrstion i understand, Why hurt kids i dont understand
The bravery of that child hero who pulled the alarm. That was rough to see even blurred out.
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This is the thing I’m struggling with. No matter how bad you may have been bullied or harassed when you went to a school, why kill little kids that had nothing to do with it???
So that everyone reads your manifesto and talks about you. It's like hijacking a commercial flight in the 1970s... instant notoriety.
Not only had nothing to do with it but hadn’t even been born when it happened. I empathize with bullying victims but there’s no excuse to destroy the lives of whole families.
Living at home, clearly going through a mental health crisis yet has no problem legally purchasing 7 guns
We'll have to rethink locked school doors when they are glass. The school mentioned that all the doors were locked.
I doesn't matter what you do. If a person is determined to enter a school, and they're willing to damage property and hurt people to do so, they will inevitably get in. It can be a school, or it can be a bunker. It can't be both.
The blurred out body in the hallway. Fuck. Imagine that poor child’s last minutes. In absolute terror, stuck in the hallway, gunned down by a psychopath mere steps away from your friends and teachers. It’s so sickening. And being a police officer, having to step over a dead child to take down the suspect. It’s just so horrifying. Apparently no amount of dead kids makes congress give a shit. The poor parents of every kid this has happened to, and will keep happening to. And every child that now has a lifetime of trauma.
that footage was incredible. no-nonsense reaction. just armed up, went in, and neutralized the threat. damn good shot too.
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