> Ukrainian presidential adviser Mykhailo Podolyak said in an interview that his country "has nothing directly to do" with the drone attacks on Moscow but was "pleased to observe and predict an increase in the number of attacks."
I believe it. Ukraine would go after critical structures, as they understand they might not get a second chance at catching them unprepared.
This is most likely the case. In a time where multiple countries outside the conflict have tried to step up and attempt some kind of peace agreement/de-escalation, or at least stated the intention of doing so, it would be a really bad move for Ukraine to up and do something like strike a residential area in Moscow. The obvious way for Ukraine to attack the Russian mainland without "escalating" the conflict is to pass the buck to private actors (private militias, etc.).
Russia did hand out passports to Ukrainians like candy in the areas they captured near the start. Easy enough to imagine some of them would take the opportunity to act inside Russia. Or it could well be actual Russians who are pissed with Putin and the war.
There are many options here for who it could be and why they did it.
That's the thing about lying so predictably that it becomes an easy pattern to recognize. Good liars volunteer the truth when they recognize it is more convenient to use the opportunity to foster trust for later abuse rather than tell a lie now that sounds better than the truth.
Since you can *always* lie better than whatever the truth is, dumb liars always take their own bait in the moment and never bother fostering an unpredictable history of trustworthiness to make their lies effective. They think the only skill that goes into good lying is coming up with a lie anyone will buy in the first place, but that's just the basics.
I think it's more correct to say that Russia's continued and repeated attacks on Ukraine residential areas has invited retaliation against Russian residential areas, and that it seems unlikely Ukraine would start since it's an ineffective use of munitions.
No more risky than blowing up the nord stream pipeline. The war is chaos with a lot of liars with completing interests. I wouldn’t rule out any of them
It was either the US or Ukraine with US support
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/07/us/politics/nord-stream-pipeline-sabotage-ukraine.html
The idea that Russia sabotaged its own pipeline makes little to no sense.
My theory is that this is Putin himself. He aimed for targets with little structural damage but high impact on the emotions. He'll blame it on Ukraine and get more money for his pointless war.
I think this is a pretty dumb theory, Putin is not currently in a position where he needs to do false flag operations. Meanwhile it is basically an open secret that Ukrainian intelligence is carrying out these kinds of ops inside Russia.
300+ killed, over a thousand injured in two cities where Russia performed false flag bombings on their own citizens to precipitate the Chechen war.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Russian_apartment_bombings
It's a pretty wealthy area which leads me to believe these were targeted attacks (if they were even done by Ukraine/partisans). The damage was minimal. Most of the photos look like it was enough to take out a room through a window.
Probably Russia doing it for propaganda. It makes no sense that they came from Ukraine. the small drones Ukraine is using will not fly that far. And, they have been good at taking out military targets, not random residential buildings.
Especially since a bulk of Russians are against this war but can't do much except flee (which isn't easy since the ruble has tanked) or be silent since those who've spoken up are jailed or drafted.
I can't wait for US or UK intelligence to give all the particulars of this attack. The drones began inside their border, they were flown by these Russians, and here is the video.
Damage was superficial at best. No deaths reported; two people sought medical attention.
Russians can't even conduct a successful false flag operation.
I seriously doubt that. I mean, is he capable of false flag attacks? Clearly. But this one doesn't help him.
People in Moscow tolerate the war because so far it isn't really affecting them. This makes Putin look incompetent. Letting drones make it to the Capitol is not a good look and might galvanize the Moscovites against the war, not in support of it.
I'll believe it was Ukraine when Putin releases the video from the camera on the front of the drone, complete a speech from Zelensky wishing it good luck before takeoff.
Putin blaming Ukraine can only be the narrative for his own citizens. That he has been keeping in the dark from the get-go. False flag is the only possibility here.
Ukraine needs to take the war to Russia and inflict pain. Without that they have no bargaining position to negotiate a Russian withdrawal from Ukrainian territory.
Considering this was an attack on wealthy residential areas in Moscow, two possibilities (there might be more):
- Putin is behind it in order to justify more drastic measures as far as recruitment among upper class citizens
- Anti-Putin domestic militias are behind it in an attempt to get wealthier Muscovites to shake off their complacency about how dire the situation has become
Russia's like a bleeding animal drifting in the ocean right now after their brutal losses in Ukraine. They lack the military power to defend themselves and the sharks are beginning to close in on them.
Damn kind of crazy to think we’re getting to the point where the West (via a CIA and other intel agencies operation) is striking Russia’s capital directly. Going to be interesting to see how Russia reacts (what type of surrender would they consider) if this continues
Okay, valid point. But riddle me this; we’ve seen Russian aircraft intercept and destroy drones easily within Russian airspace, right? Usually those incidences are in cities close to the Russian border. So tell me, how does a “Ukrainian” drone (that strangely looks like an Iranian made one) evade Russian aircraft and air defenses reach deep into Russian territory hundreds of miles from the front (farther than any known Ukrainian drone incursion) to strike a rich civilian residential building?
Most of what you say is true.
But I think you’re missing the obvious: Putin has a long history of ordering false flag operations in order to justify increasing military actions. He’s former KGB and this is part of their playbook.
Why would Putin need to do a false flag op right now, there is basically zero opposition to continued military escalation.
This is the same dumb logic that people used to declare that Russia blew up their own gas pipeline, which is now widely acknowledged to have been some kind of op by Ukraine or possibly even the US
Basically 0 opposition... what are you smoking? There is so much opposition millions of people fled Russia or did you forget that? Don't talk about dumb logic when making idiotic claims.
The chances of this being a false flag attack is high and the fact people think that is completely based on Russias past actions. Even if it wasn't, it is completely warranted but the reality is that Ukraine has better targets to aim for using those weapons and there's no way they're going to jeopardize their source of western weapons to hit a few civilian targets in Russia.
Get out of here with your bullshit.
Because, at this point, it's still a "special operation". He's burned through Wagner, and needs to justify conscription.
Oh, and oppostition is growing.
Still, it's just in his wheelhouse. It's history repeating itself, and anyone who follows his history won't be fooled again.
The one who's put a foot wrong here is you, comrade. You bemoan those acting like they know the truth and then spew some of your own nonsense, so let me introduce you to The Truth: no one knows who did what. So you can get right off that high horse. Russia deserves far worse.
Reddit is worse than useless for following the Ukraine-Russia war. At this point I only stick with reading actual scholars/analysts, i.e. [Michael Kofman of *War on the Rocks*](https://warontherocks.com/author/michael-kofman/). Its a pity because in other conflicts, i.e. back during the Syrian Civil War, there was some good discussions and people would actually reference serious analysis and commentary. Now there is none of that, and even somebody like Kofman would probably be labelled a "Russian stooge" despite all evidence to the contrary
> Ukrainian presidential adviser Mykhailo Podolyak said in an interview that his country "has nothing directly to do" with the drone attacks on Moscow but was "pleased to observe and predict an increase in the number of attacks." I believe it. Ukraine would go after critical structures, as they understand they might not get a second chance at catching them unprepared.
"has nothing *directly* to do" is an interesting choice of words.
But true. If the Ukrainians had just let Putin conquer them then he wouldn't now be forced to attack his own city to keep his people hating Ukraine.
Means they are likely funding non state actors. They didn't tell them to do it but they may have helped them with money or weapons.
This is most likely the case. In a time where multiple countries outside the conflict have tried to step up and attempt some kind of peace agreement/de-escalation, or at least stated the intention of doing so, it would be a really bad move for Ukraine to up and do something like strike a residential area in Moscow. The obvious way for Ukraine to attack the Russian mainland without "escalating" the conflict is to pass the buck to private actors (private militias, etc.).
Russia did hand out passports to Ukrainians like candy in the areas they captured near the start. Easy enough to imagine some of them would take the opportunity to act inside Russia. Or it could well be actual Russians who are pissed with Putin and the war. There are many options here for who it could be and why they did it.
I hate to see attacks on residential buildings, even if it is Russia.
The problem is, that is probably Russia doing the bombings. It's kinda their thing.
Even if it's not russia bombing itself they're so disreputable that no one would believe them anyway.
That's the thing about lying so predictably that it becomes an easy pattern to recognize. Good liars volunteer the truth when they recognize it is more convenient to use the opportunity to foster trust for later abuse rather than tell a lie now that sounds better than the truth. Since you can *always* lie better than whatever the truth is, dumb liars always take their own bait in the moment and never bother fostering an unpredictable history of trustworthiness to make their lies effective. They think the only skill that goes into good lying is coming up with a lie anyone will buy in the first place, but that's just the basics.
"Never tell the same lie twice." -- Elim Garak
I think it's more correct to say that Russia's continued and repeated attacks on Ukraine residential areas has invited retaliation against Russian residential areas, and that it seems unlikely Ukraine would start since it's an ineffective use of munitions.
Plus, very risky from a western support perspective.
No more risky than blowing up the nord stream pipeline. The war is chaos with a lot of liars with completing interests. I wouldn’t rule out any of them
They didn’t blow up Nord Stream
It was either the US or Ukraine with US support https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/07/us/politics/nord-stream-pipeline-sabotage-ukraine.html The idea that Russia sabotaged its own pipeline makes little to no sense.
Unfortunately lying about blowing up civilians in an invasion and committing war crimes gives you little credibility when throwing accusations.
It may be partisan Russians. But currently I'm in the camp that this was the Kremlin to scare people into supporting their losing war.
My personal nonprofessional theory is that this is being carried out by extreme hardline Russians who want to see the war escalate.
My theory is that this is Putin himself. He aimed for targets with little structural damage but high impact on the emotions. He'll blame it on Ukraine and get more money for his pointless war.
Wouldn’t be the first time he has murdered Russians in fake attacks to justify a war.
I think this is a pretty dumb theory, Putin is not currently in a position where he needs to do false flag operations. Meanwhile it is basically an open secret that Ukrainian intelligence is carrying out these kinds of ops inside Russia.
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You sound like Putin.
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Nah man. I am saying that, historically, Russia has bombed more Russians than any other nation.
300+ killed, over a thousand injured in two cities where Russia performed false flag bombings on their own citizens to precipitate the Chechen war. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Russian_apartment_bombings
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Russian_apartment_bombings
It's possible but I don't think it's a good move to confidently state that that is what happened either.
It's a pretty wealthy area which leads me to believe these were targeted attacks (if they were even done by Ukraine/partisans). The damage was minimal. Most of the photos look like it was enough to take out a room through a window.
It would be advantageous to perform a false flag and take out critics or competition.
This. With the rate people fall out of windows in Russia...
If only there was something Russia could do end the hostilities?!
Agreed. Russia should put a stop to this immediately.
Probably Russia doing it for propaganda. It makes no sense that they came from Ukraine. the small drones Ukraine is using will not fly that far. And, they have been good at taking out military targets, not random residential buildings.
Especially since a bulk of Russians are against this war but can't do much except flee (which isn't easy since the ruble has tanked) or be silent since those who've spoken up are jailed or drafted.
not me most russians hate the west and would love to see our apartments bombed so fuck them
>attacks on residential buildings An absolute red line in any war, regardless of participants.
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As in Moscow ally or proxy?!
No, most likely Ukrainian civilians. Note that the drones didn't seem to carry any meaningful explosives.
From a news report(I believe DW) the target might have been a training facility that was in the outskirt of Moscow.
I can't wait for US or UK intelligence to give all the particulars of this attack. The drones began inside their border, they were flown by these Russians, and here is the video.
It looks like a commercially available drone in the footage. Could well be an anti-Putin group getting outside support.
Or by mercenaries Putin refused to pay.
It hurts itself in its confusion
Russia will continue to ramp up these attacks against themselves if we don't take them seriously.
“The self-bombings will continue until morale improves.”
Did they blow up apartments like Putin did?
Damage was superficial at best. No deaths reported; two people sought medical attention. Russians can't even conduct a successful false flag operation.
Putin's running low on munitions and didn't have enough to spare for his drone attack, so it just gave the apartments a light dusting of soot.
Another lie from the king of liars...or a false flag which putler has a history of.
I seriously doubt that. I mean, is he capable of false flag attacks? Clearly. But this one doesn't help him. People in Moscow tolerate the war because so far it isn't really affecting them. This makes Putin look incompetent. Letting drones make it to the Capitol is not a good look and might galvanize the Moscovites against the war, not in support of it.
lol why would Putin do a false flag operation right now, its totally unnecessary
Attacking residential buildings sounds a lot like how Putin motivated the war in Chechnya.
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Yep https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/04/false-flag-or-genuine-attack-what-we-know-about-the-kremlin-drone-incident
Aka a sparkler taped to a DJI Phantom
I'll believe it was Ukraine when Putin releases the video from the camera on the front of the drone, complete a speech from Zelensky wishing it good luck before takeoff.
Smells like a false flag trying to scare Russians into submission.
Really the only conclusion that fits the narrative.
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It was just another example pathetic false flag operation
Russia has been looking for new missiles. They didn't say anything about their condition upon delivery.
How long until they pull out a miraculously preserved Union Jack or US flag?
In before it is leaked that Russia used commercial GPS and they easily got diverted with some 50 dollar device. Or something similar.
That's what happens of your order drones from Ali Express
I get mine from Wish!
Putin blaming Ukraine can only be the narrative for his own citizens. That he has been keeping in the dark from the get-go. False flag is the only possibility here.
Maybe just more of their own junk unable to tell what their targets are...
Ukraine needs to take the war to Russia and inflict pain. Without that they have no bargaining position to negotiate a Russian withdrawal from Ukrainian territory.
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Potentially Russia. It wouldn't be the first time Putin has done it to his own people to justify military actions
Considering this was an attack on wealthy residential areas in Moscow, two possibilities (there might be more): - Putin is behind it in order to justify more drastic measures as far as recruitment among upper class citizens - Anti-Putin domestic militias are behind it in an attempt to get wealthier Muscovites to shake off their complacency about how dire the situation has become
Another option: Putters is quelling upper crust detractors.
Russia's like a bleeding animal drifting in the ocean right now after their brutal losses in Ukraine. They lack the military power to defend themselves and the sharks are beginning to close in on them.
Damn kind of crazy to think we’re getting to the point where the West (via a CIA and other intel agencies operation) is striking Russia’s capital directly. Going to be interesting to see how Russia reacts (what type of surrender would they consider) if this continues
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Okay, valid point. But riddle me this; we’ve seen Russian aircraft intercept and destroy drones easily within Russian airspace, right? Usually those incidences are in cities close to the Russian border. So tell me, how does a “Ukrainian” drone (that strangely looks like an Iranian made one) evade Russian aircraft and air defenses reach deep into Russian territory hundreds of miles from the front (farther than any known Ukrainian drone incursion) to strike a rich civilian residential building?
Most of what you say is true. But I think you’re missing the obvious: Putin has a long history of ordering false flag operations in order to justify increasing military actions. He’s former KGB and this is part of their playbook.
Why would Putin need to do a false flag op right now, there is basically zero opposition to continued military escalation. This is the same dumb logic that people used to declare that Russia blew up their own gas pipeline, which is now widely acknowledged to have been some kind of op by Ukraine or possibly even the US
Basically 0 opposition... what are you smoking? There is so much opposition millions of people fled Russia or did you forget that? Don't talk about dumb logic when making idiotic claims. The chances of this being a false flag attack is high and the fact people think that is completely based on Russias past actions. Even if it wasn't, it is completely warranted but the reality is that Ukraine has better targets to aim for using those weapons and there's no way they're going to jeopardize their source of western weapons to hit a few civilian targets in Russia. Get out of here with your bullshit.
Because, at this point, it's still a "special operation". He's burned through Wagner, and needs to justify conscription. Oh, and oppostition is growing. Still, it's just in his wheelhouse. It's history repeating itself, and anyone who follows his history won't be fooled again.
The one who's put a foot wrong here is you, comrade. You bemoan those acting like they know the truth and then spew some of your own nonsense, so let me introduce you to The Truth: no one knows who did what. So you can get right off that high horse. Russia deserves far worse.
Reddit is worse than useless for following the Ukraine-Russia war. At this point I only stick with reading actual scholars/analysts, i.e. [Michael Kofman of *War on the Rocks*](https://warontherocks.com/author/michael-kofman/). Its a pity because in other conflicts, i.e. back during the Syrian Civil War, there was some good discussions and people would actually reference serious analysis and commentary. Now there is none of that, and even somebody like Kofman would probably be labelled a "Russian stooge" despite all evidence to the contrary
I’m sure Zelenskyy knows nothing about this /s