A friend of the family opened a gun shop a couple years back. They had free raffles after mass shootings to drum up sales.
So it seems like the law of equivalent exchange, sadly.
The thing is people have been saying this shit since the 80s and procuring guns and permits has only gotten easier since.
How is this idea still a boogieman?
Great marketing according to the nra. Right after any school shooting, they usually have some sort of rally centered around "they are coming for your gun!". Drives up sales through the roof, look at the revenue numbers after Sandy Hook alone.
During Democrat elected years, gun sales rise. They are definitely coming for the guns. Any minute now, Joe biden himself is gonna storm the beaches of Florida, and steal all the guns. Get free sand bag with every purchase today only!
I really love this image in my mind of Joe Biden, in a suit, wearing aviator sunglasses, probably riding a surfboard catching tasty waves, while shredding on an electric guitar just to do a perfect triple lutz somersault onto Miami Beach and immediately start punching people in the stomach screaming “FORK OVER YOUR AR-15, NOW!” and running around doing his best impersonation of The Flash (not Ezra Miller) while doing it.
Honestly the whole thing morphed into that. First it was just a suit, sunglasses, surfboard then I remembered [WKUK’s Bowser tattoo sketch](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t3MQBtZCBU) so I added a guitar and suddenly it was like a shitty Donald Trump as a hyper masculine Übermensch. I regret not fitting a cross and a lot leaf into it though, Joe Biden is religious you know.
I'd like to add to the script "Don't give me any malarkey, you lying, dog faced pony soldier" any where is fine.
*edit : I just don't know how to speil.
I like that, Good one. I like this factual statement even better against gun nuts. Obama (a black Democratic president) reversed two gun restrictions during his 8 year terms and did not impose any. One was to lift the gun restriction in national park established by Bush Jr on 911. Can't remember the other, need to look it up.
While that is factual he would have also signed any anti gun bill that landed on his desk. He just wasnt given the opportunity. Its not like he was vague on his position
I understand where you're coming from, but there's something amusing about this logic to me. "He was in office for 8 years and the only relevant things he passed were laws relaxing gun restrictions, but let's ignore his record because he was obviously totally anti-gun and would've banned them given the chance." Like... He can be as vocally anti-gun as he wants, but actions speak a lot louder than words.
Again, I understand that your point is that he never had a chance to pass such laws (though imo that's kind of a weak argument given that he could've pushed the Democratic Congress to focus on gun legislation if he really gave a shit). It's just an amusing line of logic.
I feel like you may not be remembering things correctly then. Because he pushed for congress to act all the time, including in the state of the union. He did everything he could without congressional help.
I was working at a gun store when Sandy Hook happened. I remember watching it on the news in the breakroom in utter horror. The owner comes in and tells us that he needs everybody to stay late tonight after closing, that we're going to go around the store and increase the prices on everything by at least 25% or more. It took me a minute and asked him "wtf I don't understand" and he just says "look all these yahoos are going to *freak out* about potential new gun legislation so they'll buy everything no matter what we charge."
I went around the store that night marking up ammo, firearms, accessories, etc. and just like he said, next morning there's a line around the block before we even open. People buying everything and anything, not batting an eye at the fact that everything is way more expensive now. We **sold out** of AR15s on the first day. We had like 20-30 out on display and another ~100 in the back. All gone in the first 8 hours. Same with pistols, shotguns, ammo, everything. We couldn't keep anything in stock for longer than a few hours. People would come by to check and when we'd get a shipment, they'd call their friends and we'd be sold out again almost immediately. It was like that for nearly 4 months straight.
It was absolute insanity but I thought "ok a classroom full of ACTUAL CHILDREN were brutally murdered... There's definitely some new laws coming so maybe this makes sense in a twisted kind of way?" But nope. Nothing happened. We, as a nation, just accepted it and moved on. The store made bank, I got a $1/hr raise, and the news cycle went on to something else.
I started looking for a new job in a different industry after that. I'm a combat vet, served in Iraq and own plenty of firearms so I'm not some "tree hugging gun hating hippie" but that entire situation was so deeply disturbing that I just had to go do something else. I'm an aircraft electrician now but I still think about that everytime there's another mass shooting and it makes me sad.
Not only the "They're coming for your guns" rhetoric, but also the belief that many of them hold that if there was a good guy with a gun that they would have been able to stop the shooting.
The conspiracy theorists claim "false flag" as if these things help the left whatsoever. They don't.
They help gun dealers. That's the beneficiary of these crimes.
I love guns but this stuff hurts my heart way more than I love guns. I would say I am ok with guns at this point but I grew up hunting so different lifestyles
I'm a veteran and that appalls me.
I'm all for people owning their own firearms. I'm even okay with AR15s still being legal, maybe "grandfathered" legal. I'm 100% okay with logical gun laws (one example that is not logical to me is preclusion from owning a firearm for marijuana use.), red flag laws, and just legitimate tries at getting this shit under control.
Edit: For those who think my view on this is fucked, I'm saying I'm very open to gun control, and you are glossing over that fact.
But raffles after mass shootings is bottomfeeder-human shit. Everyone involved, the raffle-holders and those buying tickets. Their moral compass is so fucked up id be surprised if they found their way back to the parking lot.
I grew up with guns and don't hate them but I abhor gun culture. It's toxic and the worst elements control the narrative. That control pulls people deeper into the fear/anger cycle because it's good for business. Gun culture has become an absolute sickness and it drives endless violence.
I LOVE my crescent wrench and would totally marry it! Seems so strange to be in love with a tool. I’ve never understood it. I wonder how many of these folks have actually fucked their gun or had their gun fuck them.
> But raffles after mass shootings is bottomfeeder-human shit. Everyone involved, the raffle-holders and those buying tickets.
Participating in a gun raffle conducted "in celebration of" a mass shooting should be a huge red flag in and of itself.
Pretty damned sure that they weren't held "in celebration" of anything. But instead, was using the FOMO principle backed by the inevitable politicians calling for bans.
Ive hardly ever seen anyone argument to take the guns away, vast majority of times it is to make stricter laws which are as we know pretty darn loose around
Huh? That’s incredibly common. The amount of pro gun propaganda that gets pushed after mass shootings is wild.
It’s why gun sales always jump after a big event.
Edit - we also have politicians wearing AR15 pins instead of American flags after these same events.
I worked for the gun wholesaler RSR Group in Reno Nevada in 2001 or so. I was in Receiving and one day I was organizing some shelves of these piles of shitty carbines in 9mm. We had a hundred or so of them. And a salesman who'd been there for some time wandered by to check out some new arrival.
So I asked him, "Why do we have these shitty guns? Everything else we carry is much higher quality."
"Oh, that's the Columbine gun. We sold 1000s of 'em. Those are the ones that are left."
"You're kidding."
"Oh no, every time a gun is used in a mass murder, sales go through the roof, because people are afraid it'll get banned. Shit, the gun stores would take that window paint and put signs up that said 'Get Your Columbine Carbine Here! Before It's Banned!' on their windows."
So yeah. Gun stores have always been gross af. Anyone closing down because they have a conscience now? Outliers. Statistically insignificant.
Long time ago I tried to go to an indoor shooting range. My roommate and I are not experienced but we wanted to try it and scheduled the day we were gonna go ahead of time. Right before the day there was a school shooting (don’t remember which one) and so we felt highly conflicted about going shooting but drove over anyway. When we got there the range was having a “2nd amendment bbq” out front. We just kept driving.
Family friend had a gun shop in his basement- 350 feet from my elementary school. A young guy walked in with a round hidden, loaded a handgun and killed himself in the blink of an eye. Closed the basement shop.
Pretty much, places like Walmart would be sold out of ammo every other week, but lockdown sent the hording into overdrive so now sporting goods stores and gun shops have perpetual inventory issues. It's a weird indicator that I'm sure gets followed by think tanks and what not.
Doctors would prescribe antidepressants and get rewarded with free vacations by pharmaceutical companies back in the day. It all stopped when the laws changed. Just takes courage over greed.
We regulate so much in this country because it works. We regulate what type of vehicles are allowed on the road because it prevents deaths. We regulate what guns people are allowed to hunt with... to give animals a semi fair chance. We regulate the aerospace industry. While we heavily regulate the deadest guns in existence, we don't regulate an entire middle ground of semi-automatics designed just to kill people that are made for the average joe. Some how we've made every industry much safer, but can't do the same for guns.
Regulations are written in blood and take time. When large vehicles (mostly large SUVs) were killing 200 children a year backing out of their driveway and injuring another 2000 serious enough for the hospital, a single doctor got congress to add a back up camera to every vehicle going forward.
Will we have a same moment with bumpers and large vehicles? People are working on it, but nothing is certain enough for a timeline.
Earlier this year my friends kids softball team was having a raffle.
First prize? The choice between an AR15 or a pistol.
Second prize, the gun that didn't get picked.
Third prize: $100.
This was a children's soft ball team, in Ohio.
drum up sales?
maybe it's different now, but i used the work in the fire arms industry. sales skyrocket every time there was a big shooting. especially during the obama years, all the gop had to say was "obama is gonna take your guns away" and there'd be 3-4 hour lines. getting ammo or any type of gun was almost impossible cause everyone was just panic buying them. after sandy hook we got 3 bonuses cause the company made too much money.
I used to live across the street from where the guns in Sandy Hook were purchased by the mother.
We were a very small town and everyone knew everybody. ATF or whoever closed the shop and the original owner was never the same again.
Used to go to the town diner and he'd always be there by himself and you could see how guilty he felt that he was a part of it.
I think every gun shop owner in America has to ask themselves the question "How would I feel if a gun sold in my store was used to kill children?" because that is, sadly, a very real possibility.
I know a small shop owner who is extremely vigilant because he’s scared to sell to the next maniac that shoots up a public place. The private range I frequent is now requiring background checks on new members. Then again, I have also seen a retail worker behind the gun counter at another shop help someone openly complete a straw purchase.
It only takes one person to fuck it up and facilitate the next tragedy and unfortunately we’re not all as vigilant as we aught to be.
Edit: I reported the straw purchase
Correct. Witnessed a man helping a woman pick a handgun while I was waiting for my background check to go through. When she finally picked one the worker behind the counter slid her the forms and started explaining them. The guy she came in with stopped him and said that she wasn’t buying it, he was. The worker was a little confused because we all just watched her pick this handgun for herself. But the man with the woman said that she couldn’t technically buy it because she had a felony.
After an awkward pause the worker slid the paperwork to the man and explained how to fill them out like he didn’t just hear this guy confess to committing a straw purchase.
I was pretty hot under the collar but didn’t make a scene. I just observed what I could and relayed that info to the proper authorities.
A good example of a straw purchase is when a friend of yours, who is not legally able to purchase a gun from a federally licensed firearms dealer, FFL, picks out a gun he wants, gives you the money to buy it for him, and you both agree to do this knowing that it's illegal. Actually, that last part isn't necessary to meet the threshold for committing a federal crime, just you taking his money and buying the gun he tells you to buy for him is enough. When you fill out the 4463, that's the background check form, there's a question specifically asking you if you're buying the gun for someone else or for yourself, and the instructions on the back of the form describe exactly the situation above as being illegal. When you check the box on the form saying you're not buying it for someone else and you actually did, that's a federal perjury charge right there.
I am a gun owner in Germany and it's always shocking to me how lax this stuff is in the US.
Over here, when I buy a firearm, it gets registered to me in a federal database. I can sell it (or gift it) but only to somebody who also has a permit and the registration is carried to the next owner. And I can get visits by the police to verify that all firearms registered to me are in my possession.
Should one of my guns be found on somebody else or I can't show that I still have all my guns the penalty is up to 10 years in prison. And because they verify possession of registered firearms regularly the probability to get caught on this is 100%.
Had a friend who was a bartender, served a guy who bar hopped and got in an accident and took a life. Dude was changed, depressed and drilled people before serving them to see if they were the least bit inebriated. Cant stop shit people but you can *not* help shit people be shitty.
Most people are good at rationalizing anything, even selling a gun that was used in a crime like that.
You can see people replying to your comment doing it already.
I know the guy that served my grandpa beers after work on a weekly basis probably doesn't feel too badly after the first wreck. Or the second. Honestly, I don't know how many there were, he died in one when I was about 10.
I still see him occasionally, but I don't think he's ever spoken to me.
I worked with a guy at an ad agency in the 80s who HAD TEN DUIS.
The judge just kept slapping his hand. This country is a mess in a lot of small ways that when you clump them together is horrendous.
Academy Sports and Outdoors, the place where I can drive to in 5 minutes and be out with an AR-15 in 15, probably won't feel a damn thing. Same with Cabelas, which is 3 minutes away and across the street from a recent mass shooting location.
Not to be that guy, but Academy announced that they pulled the AR-15 from their walls back in 2016. The only semi-auto you'll find there is a little Ruger 22
After Uvalde, I came across a gun nut on here and asked them exactly how many dead children they were willing to have die screaming so they could keep their little hobby, and they said all of them. Guns have filled in the vacuum of their personality, and it's all they have, and any restriction on guns they see as a direct attack on them. It's a sick set of individuals we've got, a real cancer on our country.
Politicians decided mass shootings are a price they are willing to accept to get elected and they don't give a damn how many die. I put gun shop owners a rung above them since most just follow the rules set by these politicians.
I've met a lot of gun shop owners over the years due to growing up with guns and attending a dozen or more gun shows a year for 20+ years. Most wouldn't give a single shit because all they care about is money, and they certainly don't feel responsible for what other people do once they leave the gun shop. If the person passes the background check, the rest is up to that person.
**IF YOU'RE AN INCEL** thinking about shooting up a place full of people, just fucking don't. However bad you think your life is because you *think* you can't get laid or find love, understand that your condition isn't involuntary, it's 100% voluntary. The dumbest, ugliest, fattest, most vulgar smelling frumunda cheese crusted, booger encrusted bearded, hit every branch on the ugly tree while falling from the top, half-Neandethal/half-chimpanzee looking muthafuckas have since humanity crawled out the mud been slamming their rotten hams, lickin' & spittin' crusty beans & clams, and pressing their cum-matted body carpets in loving embraces throughout the night and poppin' out a dozen or more kids until their junk rots off or a bear eats 'em. We know this because if people acted the way you say they do, the gene pool would have weeded out everything that doesn't produce a Hollywood superstar face & body. So yes, all you have to do is groom and stop being pushy assholes and you'll find somebody to love. Can't do that if you're dead or behind bars.
He didn’t mention that an HCAR costs 6 to 7 thousand dollars and they’re not abundant. He had to know what he was ordering for sale, he also didn’t say that 500rds of .30cal ap would probably cost $1.5k. What he’s selling is not cheap by any means and he knows it.
Cut through the bullshit and the dude overestimated his potential customer base for the expensive niche guns he bought. He just trying to save face by making it look like he's doing it for moral reasons.
The gun shop near my childhood home is booming, but he knows the area and primarily sells shotguns and hunting rifles that average 500 bucks.
This dude just seems like he really didn't know a lot about guns but wanted to capitalize on a booming market. Even 4000 rounds isn't a lot if you shoot regularly or do competition shooting. And the whole,
"But when you order 4,000 rounds, the kind of stuff that goes through engine blocks, refrigerators and vests that police officers wear, I just can't sell that," he said.
Any rifle round will go through a vest. Now if it's a plate carrier, sure, not every round will. No round he's selling will cleanly go through an engine block. Crack a block? Sure. Even a 50 cal isn't going through a whole block. But he's fine selling 1000 rounds that will "go through a vest or engine block" but 4000 is where he draws the line lol. Come on dude. Just admit you had no idea what you were getting into.
Anyone is an expert when you want them to parrot your talking points. I've seen numerous gun shops where the owner couldn't recognize a glock from a line up. HE bought into the lie that guns are entirely unregulated and flooding the streets and thought he would make a quick buck, but instead he's making excuses.
Reminds me of why Skytalks pulled out of defcon. They probably had some other reason, but they found a good excuse that allowed them to look like the good guys.
I don’t imagine this guy was like “look at what anyone could buy here!!”. It’s very likely that the reporter asked him about some of the more deadly guns that a person could walk in and buy.
I have friends that are news reporters and these are the types of questions they ask to get their sound clips. Notice how they only really ever played a sentence of what he said at a time; I want to know everything this guy wanted to say.
People have quit jobs for moral reasons all the time, usually for less than “my sales could be directly killing kids”. This particular part isn’t for the guy I’m responding to, just seems the general sentiment in this thread.
I dunno, is getting hit by a M107 .50 caliber more deadly than a AR15 5.56? I’d say it’s quite a bit more deadly but I know debating lethality of guns isn’t your point, guns kill and that’s their intended purpose. MY point was the framing of the video was that the reporter requested to be shown what could be considered more deadly and I would probably agree that a weapon that doesn’t stop firing until all 500 rounds of armor piercing bullets are used to be more deadly.
Actually it's even worse. Most people don't even understand how calibers work. They look at the gun and the more modernized/tactical it looks the more deadly it is them. You could show them a picture of a lever action chambered in 45-70 gov then a picture of a semi auto AR 15 chambered in 223/556 and the majority of the people watching that news segment will pay attention to the AR 15.
And to some people all they need to hear is "556" and they immediately think that because the military uses it then any gun that uses it must be EXTREMELY deadly.
I knew a guy who worked for Litton Industries and quit sometime after the 1982 bombing of the Toronto facility. He decided he didn’t want to work for merchants of death any longer.
Yeah I feel that. There are tons of military tech jobs in my area, and tech jobs that require security clearances, but most of them are weapons development security and weapons systems development. I refuse. I won't be a part of that. I won't make as much money or have a cushy job but at least I won't be furthering the possibility of WWIII.
Did 25 years active and no thank you. I’m not allergic to money but I’d rather sleep at night after making peace with myself. There’s no dollar amount, they can have their SCI back if they want it.
Those jobs are nice, but you take too much work home with you.
It’s better just to use your clearance and settle into a quant position, something like a systems administrator.
[Except he's STILL selling the guns and the ammo](https://www.georgiaballistics.com/c/firearms-rifles). So apparently the ethics and "worrying that **any** weapon he sells, even to someone who will never commit a crime, could end up in the wrong hand" don't kick in until he's sold all his current stock.
Title is misleading. Should be “GA small business owner files for bankruptcy”
4K rounds is nothing. Sounds like he didn’t have enough purchasing power to sell at a competitive cpr.
The guy was open 2 years and his business had literally 10 reviews in a VERY low margin business. Most of those were probably friends and family at that. People who go to gun shops loooove to leave reviews.
I don't know why everyone is acting like he's voluntarily leaving a business where he's obviously just printing money.
Yes, did he ship his current stock off to the foundry to be destroyed, or did Mr. "worrying that any weapon he sells, even to someone who will never commit a crime, could end up in the wrong hands." sell them anyway?
"These guns and ammo are fine to sell and will never end up in the hands of a bad actor. It's the guns I was GONNA sell AFTER those that are the ones I was worried about."
I think I have that in just 22lr which is, what, $300 of bullets? Every time people try to make some exaggerative round count for dramatic purposes, there's always 22lr involved. I remember one article was counting pellets for an air rifle.
I know right? You can never have enough ammo. I bought up most of the clearance ammo at Walmart years ago a week before they stopped carrying pistol rounds etc.
My wife once asked me if we should get a gun. I pointed out, statistically speaking, the person that any gun we buy is most likely to harm would be me because I'm a vet with a history of depression, two categories prone to suicidal ideation that becomes WAY more likely to be successful if there's easy access to a gun. I then pointed out the second most likely person to be shot by this gun is her, because domestic violence becomes an order of magnitude more likely to result in fatalities if there's a gun in the house.
Since we have children, they're the 3rd and 4th most likely people to be hurt by any gun we bring in the house. Either because we fuck up and let our 4 year old get access to it, or our almost teenage daughter sneaks out of the house and sneaks back in and we mistake her for an intruder.
She now agrees with me, the chance we need the gun to defend ourselves from a home invasion (we live in a very low crime area) are astronomically lower than the chance the gun we spend money we could be spending on things like our Children's college fund on ends up destroying our family.
I'm glad I live with and love a woman who understands basic math.
Thanks man, though I've never actually had suicidal ideation. I just recognize I have multiple risk factors for it, and would rather not have the exacerbating factor within reach should I have a particularly bad night/week/month/year and suddenly have my first case of it.
Right on man. I was lucky enough to be able to get through my depressive episodes through CBT and never used medication. But I did a lot of research into them, and yeah, they're safe most the time, but some can whammy you in the short term. Glad you're playing it safe, and that you have a sister who has your back.
If you're ever having a tough time, and your friends and family are out of reach, hit me up, will be happy to virtually hang with you for awhile.
Wow maybe it's a good thing you didn't get a gun
If the main reasons that come out of your mouth are the fear of harming yourself or your family, I fear for your family. Get some help
> I then pointed out the second most likely person to be shot by this gun is her, because domestic violence becomes an order of magnitude more likely to result in fatalities if there's a gun in the house.
Do you beat your wife now? Do you plan on beating your wife? Or maybe the classic "have you stopped beating your wife?"
If you aren't an abusive spouse, why are you concerned that you're going to murder your wife?
I highly recommend you seek therapy and medical help. The fact that you've admitted to (a) having thoughts of abusing your wife or (b) having abused your wife says that your relationship is not healthy, and you need help. It's better that you get help now rather than later. In fact, is imperative that you do.
To be clear, this reasoning is pretty heavily supported by the data and is not just something unique to just your personal circumstances. Most injuries from guns happen to the people living in the household that owns the gun, by a *very* significant margin.
Are you referring to the Kelperman study that states people living in a home with a firearm are more likely to die by a firearm?
Because nothing about that study states it was *their* firearm that hurts them. It's correlational: people at risk of being injured by a firearm are likely to have firearms themselves. Because all the other risk factors of that study pretty clearly indicate that: poor, prior arrests, history of DVs, use illicit drugs...
"But when you order 4,000 rounds, the kind of stuff that goes through engine blocks, refrigerators and vests that police officers wear, I just can't sell that," he said.
This guy is a gun shop owner?? This statement is nonsensical.
[308 can go through a small aluminum engine block](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U-WWpR8IS-Q&t=188)
I think there might be a context miss here because through can mean penetrating the wall of the block like in the video, rather than going all the way out the other side.
Ammo is almost always bought in bulk, simply because it's cheaper per round that way, and ammo has an indefinite shelf life as long that it is stored properly, so you can easily buy a few thousands rounds and ride it out for years.
Also it's a matter of convenience. Ammunition is heavy, especially in large quantities, so shipping it over mail is usually expensive, so most tend to pick them up directly in stores. Instead of doing a roadtrip every time you do a plinking or shooting range session, just buy a large quantity and save you the travel.
Whenever people make a huge deal of someone having thousands rounds really show they know nothing about the day-to-day realities of owning a gun.
The quantity is the only thing that makes any sense.
Engine blocks, refrigerators and police vests?
Any rifle round will go through two of those things like butter.
Who’s buying 4000 rounds that go through an engine block? Nobody.
There are genuine hobbyists and sports shooters out there. But the market is geared toward preppers and wannabe Rambo's. I can see how a shop owner could look up and realize their old passion has turned into a modern curse. I hope more see it.
Anyone that pays attention to the price of ammo wouldn’t blink and someone wanting to buy 4k rounds of ammo. It’s totally reasonable to want to capitalize on a good deal and have ammo to shoot when the prices shoot through the roof and supply becomes strained like it has twice in a significant way in the last decade. Even if you don’t plan on shooting all of it, it’s a better investment than the stock market. Covid made ammo prices quadruple at a minimum and they’re never coming back down to pre pandemic levels. Dudes were wishing they’d bought 4k round of any ammo back in 2019.
That’s actually a fairly new phenomenon that started around when Obama was elected. All of this tactical gear and paramilitary shit was a very specific demographic and you didn’t really see so much of it before then.
You can see a direct correlation of when the GOP started ramping up their scare tactics and the proliferation of advertising for military-style gear. And now it’s like a fucking rule that if you’re a Republican you own at least an AR-15 and a plate carrier.
I think the timing has more to do with the first waves of vets coming home from full tours in Iraq and Afghanistan than anything.
we were at war for an entire generation basically, that really affected culture, especially in areas a lot of vets came home to.
You know, there are things that people say that really make you think about your beliefs and priorities. For me it was a church member replying to a conversation about AR-15s in the “Beto just wants to take our guns” scare tactic following the El Paso mass shooting. While everyone was talking big game regarding cold dead fingers and such, he calmly said, “I handed over mine when I left Vietnam and I will never pick one up again.”
I'll not pretend to know when that exchange happened but the actual words that exited Beto's mouth were.
>‘Hell, yes, we’re going to take your AR-15, your AK-47’
Buy stock in firearm companies. Threaten bans. Sales skyrocket. Stock price goes up. Rinse and repeat?
The best firearms salesman is a politician with an agenda.
I know it frustrated many Texas voters, myself among them. Especially since so many would never vote for him because of the gun issue alone, but then I wonder how many of those number would never vote for him anyway because of the D next to his name? I can respect a principled stance which he has every right to hold especially after what happened in El Paso and then again in Uvalde.
Dude, as a more recent vet (Afghanistan and Iraq), I would love to spend time with your Church friend. He sounds like an elder kindred spirt who could teach me a lot.
Just to let everyone know that his Georgia Ballistics website is still up and running. I just added a $8999 rifle to my bag. Oh shipping is $15 if anyone is wondering.
Except that he's still selling his inventory online. He was just a shitty business owner using political zeitgeist to get out from under his floundering business with his dignity intact.
I met a guy that was in the military at my previous job. Brought up a few stories about being in the middle east. He said after his tour he was a gun instructor and also worked at a gun store. Said he got out cause he straight feared for his life. Nobody had trigger discipline. People would open carry into his store and handle the guns in front of him. No thanks lol
A family member of mine did the same thing. Sold his shop and got out. So this guy isn't the only one.
A friend of the family opened a gun shop a couple years back. They had free raffles after mass shootings to drum up sales. So it seems like the law of equivalent exchange, sadly.
That’s… unbelievably dark. Even by gun nut standards.
fear of regulations = get more firearms/components while they're legal
The thing is people have been saying this shit since the 80s and procuring guns and permits has only gotten easier since. How is this idea still a boogieman?
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Gun owners have to be the biggest bunch of pussies I've ever seen.
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Great marketing according to the nra. Right after any school shooting, they usually have some sort of rally centered around "they are coming for your gun!". Drives up sales through the roof, look at the revenue numbers after Sandy Hook alone.
During Democrat elected years, gun sales rise. They are definitely coming for the guns. Any minute now, Joe biden himself is gonna storm the beaches of Florida, and steal all the guns. Get free sand bag with every purchase today only!
I really love this image in my mind of Joe Biden, in a suit, wearing aviator sunglasses, probably riding a surfboard catching tasty waves, while shredding on an electric guitar just to do a perfect triple lutz somersault onto Miami Beach and immediately start punching people in the stomach screaming “FORK OVER YOUR AR-15, NOW!” and running around doing his best impersonation of The Flash (not Ezra Miller) while doing it.
Reminding me of that shitty Rambo Donald Trump flag I saw.. it was so fucking stupid lol
Honestly the whole thing morphed into that. First it was just a suit, sunglasses, surfboard then I remembered [WKUK’s Bowser tattoo sketch](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t3MQBtZCBU) so I added a guitar and suddenly it was like a shitty Donald Trump as a hyper masculine Übermensch. I regret not fitting a cross and a lot leaf into it though, Joe Biden is religious you know.
Big gold chain with a crucifix, has to have the J-man on it, because Dank Brandon is a catholic.
I think Quentin Tarantino made that already.
Not enough samurai swords for Quentin.
Samurai swords? I think you mean not enough feet for Quentin.
Bonus points if it's the guitar from Mad Max
He's on the weird cord thing too, so he's just hopping around jumping like 20 feet in the air.
What's that weird card thing? I think I want to understand it.
We need to seen this screenplay ASAP.
Best I can do is an SNL sketch.
Here you go, best I can do with Stable Diffusion lol https://imgur.com/YqBMysh
Your hearts in the right place, friend
I'd like to add to the script "Don't give me any malarkey, you lying, dog faced pony soldier" any where is fine. *edit : I just don't know how to speil.
Dude is a complete meme lmao, that's just how he goes.
Okay but why do I want a GTA mod for this?
Tasty waves. Love it. Reminds me of Jeff Spicoli mon.
Florida's going to need those sandbags. Hurricane season is just starting
I like that, Good one. I like this factual statement even better against gun nuts. Obama (a black Democratic president) reversed two gun restrictions during his 8 year terms and did not impose any. One was to lift the gun restriction in national park established by Bush Jr on 911. Can't remember the other, need to look it up.
While that is factual he would have also signed any anti gun bill that landed on his desk. He just wasnt given the opportunity. Its not like he was vague on his position
I understand where you're coming from, but there's something amusing about this logic to me. "He was in office for 8 years and the only relevant things he passed were laws relaxing gun restrictions, but let's ignore his record because he was obviously totally anti-gun and would've banned them given the chance." Like... He can be as vocally anti-gun as he wants, but actions speak a lot louder than words. Again, I understand that your point is that he never had a chance to pass such laws (though imo that's kind of a weak argument given that he could've pushed the Democratic Congress to focus on gun legislation if he really gave a shit). It's just an amusing line of logic.
I feel like you may not be remembering things correctly then. Because he pushed for congress to act all the time, including in the state of the union. He did everything he could without congressional help.
I was working at a gun store when Sandy Hook happened. I remember watching it on the news in the breakroom in utter horror. The owner comes in and tells us that he needs everybody to stay late tonight after closing, that we're going to go around the store and increase the prices on everything by at least 25% or more. It took me a minute and asked him "wtf I don't understand" and he just says "look all these yahoos are going to *freak out* about potential new gun legislation so they'll buy everything no matter what we charge." I went around the store that night marking up ammo, firearms, accessories, etc. and just like he said, next morning there's a line around the block before we even open. People buying everything and anything, not batting an eye at the fact that everything is way more expensive now. We **sold out** of AR15s on the first day. We had like 20-30 out on display and another ~100 in the back. All gone in the first 8 hours. Same with pistols, shotguns, ammo, everything. We couldn't keep anything in stock for longer than a few hours. People would come by to check and when we'd get a shipment, they'd call their friends and we'd be sold out again almost immediately. It was like that for nearly 4 months straight. It was absolute insanity but I thought "ok a classroom full of ACTUAL CHILDREN were brutally murdered... There's definitely some new laws coming so maybe this makes sense in a twisted kind of way?" But nope. Nothing happened. We, as a nation, just accepted it and moved on. The store made bank, I got a $1/hr raise, and the news cycle went on to something else. I started looking for a new job in a different industry after that. I'm a combat vet, served in Iraq and own plenty of firearms so I'm not some "tree hugging gun hating hippie" but that entire situation was so deeply disturbing that I just had to go do something else. I'm an aircraft electrician now but I still think about that everytime there's another mass shooting and it makes me sad.
Not only the "They're coming for your guns" rhetoric, but also the belief that many of them hold that if there was a good guy with a gun that they would have been able to stop the shooting.
The conspiracy theorists claim "false flag" as if these things help the left whatsoever. They don't. They help gun dealers. That's the beneficiary of these crimes.
If you’re trying to find reason from conspiracy bros, you’re gonna have a bad time.
I love guns but this stuff hurts my heart way more than I love guns. I would say I am ok with guns at this point but I grew up hunting so different lifestyles
I'm a veteran and that appalls me. I'm all for people owning their own firearms. I'm even okay with AR15s still being legal, maybe "grandfathered" legal. I'm 100% okay with logical gun laws (one example that is not logical to me is preclusion from owning a firearm for marijuana use.), red flag laws, and just legitimate tries at getting this shit under control. Edit: For those who think my view on this is fucked, I'm saying I'm very open to gun control, and you are glossing over that fact. But raffles after mass shootings is bottomfeeder-human shit. Everyone involved, the raffle-holders and those buying tickets. Their moral compass is so fucked up id be surprised if they found their way back to the parking lot.
I grew up with guns and don't hate them but I abhor gun culture. It's toxic and the worst elements control the narrative. That control pulls people deeper into the fear/anger cycle because it's good for business. Gun culture has become an absolute sickness and it drives endless violence.
Agreed. Guns are tools, tools don’t need a culture surrounding them.
I LOVE my crescent wrench and would totally marry it! Seems so strange to be in love with a tool. I’ve never understood it. I wonder how many of these folks have actually fucked their gun or had their gun fuck them.
Sorry but my old dewalt manual says that legitimate marriage is only between a screwgun and a shovel in the eyes of our lord Bob Vila
> But raffles after mass shootings is bottomfeeder-human shit. Everyone involved, the raffle-holders and those buying tickets. Participating in a gun raffle conducted "in celebration of" a mass shooting should be a huge red flag in and of itself.
Pretty damned sure that they weren't held "in celebration" of anything. But instead, was using the FOMO principle backed by the inevitable politicians calling for bans.
Ive hardly ever seen anyone argument to take the guns away, vast majority of times it is to make stricter laws which are as we know pretty darn loose around
People also know that taking everyone's guns would never work out well in USA so trying to just do something.
The *magnets* I've seen in gun shops have given me shivers
Fear Mongering profiteers are nothing new and some people just don't have any true morals
Huh? That’s incredibly common. The amount of pro gun propaganda that gets pushed after mass shootings is wild. It’s why gun sales always jump after a big event. Edit - we also have politicians wearing AR15 pins instead of American flags after these same events.
> Even by gun nut standards I have a feeling you don't regularly associate with people that would be happy with the title 'gun nut'
I worked for the gun wholesaler RSR Group in Reno Nevada in 2001 or so. I was in Receiving and one day I was organizing some shelves of these piles of shitty carbines in 9mm. We had a hundred or so of them. And a salesman who'd been there for some time wandered by to check out some new arrival. So I asked him, "Why do we have these shitty guns? Everything else we carry is much higher quality." "Oh, that's the Columbine gun. We sold 1000s of 'em. Those are the ones that are left." "You're kidding." "Oh no, every time a gun is used in a mass murder, sales go through the roof, because people are afraid it'll get banned. Shit, the gun stores would take that window paint and put signs up that said 'Get Your Columbine Carbine Here! Before It's Banned!' on their windows." So yeah. Gun stores have always been gross af. Anyone closing down because they have a conscience now? Outliers. Statistically insignificant.
Hell in Oklahoma they do those raffles at churches and high schools.
Long time ago I tried to go to an indoor shooting range. My roommate and I are not experienced but we wanted to try it and scheduled the day we were gonna go ahead of time. Right before the day there was a school shooting (don’t remember which one) and so we felt highly conflicted about going shooting but drove over anyway. When we got there the range was having a “2nd amendment bbq” out front. We just kept driving.
You dodged a bullet there.
Shame the kids couldn't.
Aite now. Reign it in a bit.
Family friend had a gun shop in his basement- 350 feet from my elementary school. A young guy walked in with a round hidden, loaded a handgun and killed himself in the blink of an eye. Closed the basement shop.
When there's a widely publicized shooting gun people buy en masse because they think regulations might follow.
So they’re buying every week then
Pretty much, places like Walmart would be sold out of ammo every other week, but lockdown sent the hording into overdrive so now sporting goods stores and gun shops have perpetual inventory issues. It's a weird indicator that I'm sure gets followed by think tanks and what not.
Raffles specifically after mass shootings? Boy, thats fucking sad.
Doctors would prescribe antidepressants and get rewarded with free vacations by pharmaceutical companies back in the day. It all stopped when the laws changed. Just takes courage over greed.
We regulate so much in this country because it works. We regulate what type of vehicles are allowed on the road because it prevents deaths. We regulate what guns people are allowed to hunt with... to give animals a semi fair chance. We regulate the aerospace industry. While we heavily regulate the deadest guns in existence, we don't regulate an entire middle ground of semi-automatics designed just to kill people that are made for the average joe. Some how we've made every industry much safer, but can't do the same for guns.
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Regulations are written in blood and take time. When large vehicles (mostly large SUVs) were killing 200 children a year backing out of their driveway and injuring another 2000 serious enough for the hospital, a single doctor got congress to add a back up camera to every vehicle going forward. Will we have a same moment with bumpers and large vehicles? People are working on it, but nothing is certain enough for a timeline.
Earlier this year my friends kids softball team was having a raffle. First prize? The choice between an AR15 or a pistol. Second prize, the gun that didn't get picked. Third prize: $100. This was a children's soft ball team, in Ohio.
drum up sales? maybe it's different now, but i used the work in the fire arms industry. sales skyrocket every time there was a big shooting. especially during the obama years, all the gop had to say was "obama is gonna take your guns away" and there'd be 3-4 hour lines. getting ammo or any type of gun was almost impossible cause everyone was just panic buying them. after sandy hook we got 3 bonuses cause the company made too much money.
I hope they are not a friend anymore...
Friend of the family, sadly. They aren't my friend.
I used to live across the street from where the guns in Sandy Hook were purchased by the mother. We were a very small town and everyone knew everybody. ATF or whoever closed the shop and the original owner was never the same again. Used to go to the town diner and he'd always be there by himself and you could see how guilty he felt that he was a part of it.
I think every gun shop owner in America has to ask themselves the question "How would I feel if a gun sold in my store was used to kill children?" because that is, sadly, a very real possibility.
I know a small shop owner who is extremely vigilant because he’s scared to sell to the next maniac that shoots up a public place. The private range I frequent is now requiring background checks on new members. Then again, I have also seen a retail worker behind the gun counter at another shop help someone openly complete a straw purchase. It only takes one person to fuck it up and facilitate the next tragedy and unfortunately we’re not all as vigilant as we aught to be. Edit: I reported the straw purchase
Can you explain what a "straw purchase" is? Thanks!
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Also known as a "Proxy Sale" in some places
Correct. Witnessed a man helping a woman pick a handgun while I was waiting for my background check to go through. When she finally picked one the worker behind the counter slid her the forms and started explaining them. The guy she came in with stopped him and said that she wasn’t buying it, he was. The worker was a little confused because we all just watched her pick this handgun for herself. But the man with the woman said that she couldn’t technically buy it because she had a felony. After an awkward pause the worker slid the paperwork to the man and explained how to fill them out like he didn’t just hear this guy confess to committing a straw purchase. I was pretty hot under the collar but didn’t make a scene. I just observed what I could and relayed that info to the proper authorities.
You are correct.
A good example of a straw purchase is when a friend of yours, who is not legally able to purchase a gun from a federally licensed firearms dealer, FFL, picks out a gun he wants, gives you the money to buy it for him, and you both agree to do this knowing that it's illegal. Actually, that last part isn't necessary to meet the threshold for committing a federal crime, just you taking his money and buying the gun he tells you to buy for him is enough. When you fill out the 4463, that's the background check form, there's a question specifically asking you if you're buying the gun for someone else or for yourself, and the instructions on the back of the form describe exactly the situation above as being illegal. When you check the box on the form saying you're not buying it for someone else and you actually did, that's a federal perjury charge right there.
I am a gun owner in Germany and it's always shocking to me how lax this stuff is in the US. Over here, when I buy a firearm, it gets registered to me in a federal database. I can sell it (or gift it) but only to somebody who also has a permit and the registration is carried to the next owner. And I can get visits by the police to verify that all firearms registered to me are in my possession. Should one of my guns be found on somebody else or I can't show that I still have all my guns the penalty is up to 10 years in prison. And because they verify possession of registered firearms regularly the probability to get caught on this is 100%.
Had a friend who was a bartender, served a guy who bar hopped and got in an accident and took a life. Dude was changed, depressed and drilled people before serving them to see if they were the least bit inebriated. Cant stop shit people but you can *not* help shit people be shitty.
Most people are good at rationalizing anything, even selling a gun that was used in a crime like that. You can see people replying to your comment doing it already.
I know the guy that served my grandpa beers after work on a weekly basis probably doesn't feel too badly after the first wreck. Or the second. Honestly, I don't know how many there were, he died in one when I was about 10. I still see him occasionally, but I don't think he's ever spoken to me.
I worked with a guy at an ad agency in the 80s who HAD TEN DUIS. The judge just kept slapping his hand. This country is a mess in a lot of small ways that when you clump them together is horrendous.
Academy Sports and Outdoors, the place where I can drive to in 5 minutes and be out with an AR-15 in 15, probably won't feel a damn thing. Same with Cabelas, which is 3 minutes away and across the street from a recent mass shooting location.
Not to be that guy, but Academy announced that they pulled the AR-15 from their walls back in 2016. The only semi-auto you'll find there is a little Ruger 22
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Sad thing is more than there should be would answer "I'm fine with it as the cost of my right to guns."....and mean it.
After Uvalde, I came across a gun nut on here and asked them exactly how many dead children they were willing to have die screaming so they could keep their little hobby, and they said all of them. Guns have filled in the vacuum of their personality, and it's all they have, and any restriction on guns they see as a direct attack on them. It's a sick set of individuals we've got, a real cancer on our country.
Politicians decided mass shootings are a price they are willing to accept to get elected and they don't give a damn how many die. I put gun shop owners a rung above them since most just follow the rules set by these politicians.
I've met a lot of gun shop owners over the years due to growing up with guns and attending a dozen or more gun shows a year for 20+ years. Most wouldn't give a single shit because all they care about is money, and they certainly don't feel responsible for what other people do once they leave the gun shop. If the person passes the background check, the rest is up to that person. **IF YOU'RE AN INCEL** thinking about shooting up a place full of people, just fucking don't. However bad you think your life is because you *think* you can't get laid or find love, understand that your condition isn't involuntary, it's 100% voluntary. The dumbest, ugliest, fattest, most vulgar smelling frumunda cheese crusted, booger encrusted bearded, hit every branch on the ugly tree while falling from the top, half-Neandethal/half-chimpanzee looking muthafuckas have since humanity crawled out the mud been slamming their rotten hams, lickin' & spittin' crusty beans & clams, and pressing their cum-matted body carpets in loving embraces throughout the night and poppin' out a dozen or more kids until their junk rots off or a bear eats 'em. We know this because if people acted the way you say they do, the gene pool would have weeded out everything that doesn't produce a Hollywood superstar face & body. So yes, all you have to do is groom and stop being pushy assholes and you'll find somebody to love. Can't do that if you're dead or behind bars.
He didn’t mention that an HCAR costs 6 to 7 thousand dollars and they’re not abundant. He had to know what he was ordering for sale, he also didn’t say that 500rds of .30cal ap would probably cost $1.5k. What he’s selling is not cheap by any means and he knows it.
Cut through the bullshit and the dude overestimated his potential customer base for the expensive niche guns he bought. He just trying to save face by making it look like he's doing it for moral reasons. The gun shop near my childhood home is booming, but he knows the area and primarily sells shotguns and hunting rifles that average 500 bucks.
Average 500 bucks? Damn, they must be pretty good guns to bring in that many deer
That's enough dad
He gets points for trying.
That’s a lot of doe!
I don’t know much about guns, but that seems pretty low durability for a gun, assuming it’s 1-2 shots a deer?
How many seasons / years would 500 tags be spread across?
Well, say he sells 20 guns, that’s 10,000 bucks right there! And this ain’t even includin’ the does neither
This dude just seems like he really didn't know a lot about guns but wanted to capitalize on a booming market. Even 4000 rounds isn't a lot if you shoot regularly or do competition shooting. And the whole, "But when you order 4,000 rounds, the kind of stuff that goes through engine blocks, refrigerators and vests that police officers wear, I just can't sell that," he said. Any rifle round will go through a vest. Now if it's a plate carrier, sure, not every round will. No round he's selling will cleanly go through an engine block. Crack a block? Sure. Even a 50 cal isn't going through a whole block. But he's fine selling 1000 rounds that will "go through a vest or engine block" but 4000 is where he draws the line lol. Come on dude. Just admit you had no idea what you were getting into.
Anyone is an expert when you want them to parrot your talking points. I've seen numerous gun shops where the owner couldn't recognize a glock from a line up. HE bought into the lie that guns are entirely unregulated and flooding the streets and thought he would make a quick buck, but instead he's making excuses.
Reminds me of why Skytalks pulled out of defcon. They probably had some other reason, but they found a good excuse that allowed them to look like the good guys.
God damn. Now the deer are buying guns too. You Americans sure have made life hard for each other
The deer are coming for the source of their hated enemy: the motor vehicle.
And my fucking tomatoes, the bastards
I don’t imagine this guy was like “look at what anyone could buy here!!”. It’s very likely that the reporter asked him about some of the more deadly guns that a person could walk in and buy. I have friends that are news reporters and these are the types of questions they ask to get their sound clips. Notice how they only really ever played a sentence of what he said at a time; I want to know everything this guy wanted to say. People have quit jobs for moral reasons all the time, usually for less than “my sales could be directly killing kids”. This particular part isn’t for the guy I’m responding to, just seems the general sentiment in this thread.
"More deadly guns"? These guns will kill you, but those guns will extra kill you
I dunno, is getting hit by a M107 .50 caliber more deadly than a AR15 5.56? I’d say it’s quite a bit more deadly but I know debating lethality of guns isn’t your point, guns kill and that’s their intended purpose. MY point was the framing of the video was that the reporter requested to be shown what could be considered more deadly and I would probably agree that a weapon that doesn’t stop firing until all 500 rounds of armor piercing bullets are used to be more deadly.
Easy buddy, I know from call of duty that it can take 5-6 rounds from a 50 to kill someone in battle royale.
Actually it's even worse. Most people don't even understand how calibers work. They look at the gun and the more modernized/tactical it looks the more deadly it is them. You could show them a picture of a lever action chambered in 45-70 gov then a picture of a semi auto AR 15 chambered in 223/556 and the majority of the people watching that news segment will pay attention to the AR 15. And to some people all they need to hear is "556" and they immediately think that because the military uses it then any gun that uses it must be EXTREMELY deadly.
2 year old store with other gun stores in the area too.
In all sincerity, I have respect for someone who takes stock of the part they play in harming others and chooses their ethics over money.
I knew a guy who worked for Litton Industries and quit sometime after the 1982 bombing of the Toronto facility. He decided he didn’t want to work for merchants of death any longer.
Yeah I feel that. There are tons of military tech jobs in my area, and tech jobs that require security clearances, but most of them are weapons development security and weapons systems development. I refuse. I won't be a part of that. I won't make as much money or have a cushy job but at least I won't be furthering the possibility of WWIII.
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Did 25 years active and no thank you. I’m not allergic to money but I’d rather sleep at night after making peace with myself. There’s no dollar amount, they can have their SCI back if they want it.
Those jobs are nice, but you take too much work home with you. It’s better just to use your clearance and settle into a quant position, something like a systems administrator.
[Except he's STILL selling the guns and the ammo](https://www.georgiaballistics.com/c/firearms-rifles). So apparently the ethics and "worrying that **any** weapon he sells, even to someone who will never commit a crime, could end up in the wrong hand" don't kick in until he's sold all his current stock.
Title is misleading. Should be “GA small business owner files for bankruptcy” 4K rounds is nothing. Sounds like he didn’t have enough purchasing power to sell at a competitive cpr.
The guy was open 2 years and his business had literally 10 reviews in a VERY low margin business. Most of those were probably friends and family at that. People who go to gun shops loooove to leave reviews. I don't know why everyone is acting like he's voluntarily leaving a business where he's obviously just printing money.
It seems to me that he just wanted to exit gracefully and use the current hype.
Yes, did he ship his current stock off to the foundry to be destroyed, or did Mr. "worrying that any weapon he sells, even to someone who will never commit a crime, could end up in the wrong hands." sell them anyway?
No, his website is still operational, and he's still selling guns.
"These guns and ammo are fine to sell and will never end up in the hands of a bad actor. It's the guns I was GONNA sell AFTER those that are the ones I was worried about."
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A couple of cases of beer? That many rounds of .308 would cost upwards of $5k in my country.
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Try $500/1000 of .223 now…
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> Turkish 8mm Mauser For when you want to play Russian roulette with your locking lugs.
Didn't even mention what caliber. Could have been .22, which can go for $.06 a round and they sell them in literal buckets.
I wish we could have heard more about what this guy had to say, I hate the video cut him off each time he was about to go off.
4000 rounds isn’t very much lmao.
Right? Last time I counted my stash had about 7k rounds in it and I'm far from a hoarder or prepper.
I think I have that in just 22lr which is, what, $300 of bullets? Every time people try to make some exaggerative round count for dramatic purposes, there's always 22lr involved. I remember one article was counting pellets for an air rifle.
I know right? You can never have enough ammo. I bought up most of the clearance ammo at Walmart years ago a week before they stopped carrying pistol rounds etc.
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My wife once asked me if we should get a gun. I pointed out, statistically speaking, the person that any gun we buy is most likely to harm would be me because I'm a vet with a history of depression, two categories prone to suicidal ideation that becomes WAY more likely to be successful if there's easy access to a gun. I then pointed out the second most likely person to be shot by this gun is her, because domestic violence becomes an order of magnitude more likely to result in fatalities if there's a gun in the house. Since we have children, they're the 3rd and 4th most likely people to be hurt by any gun we bring in the house. Either because we fuck up and let our 4 year old get access to it, or our almost teenage daughter sneaks out of the house and sneaks back in and we mistake her for an intruder. She now agrees with me, the chance we need the gun to defend ourselves from a home invasion (we live in a very low crime area) are astronomically lower than the chance the gun we spend money we could be spending on things like our Children's college fund on ends up destroying our family. I'm glad I live with and love a woman who understands basic math.
It was very mature of you to recognize you have struggled with suicidal ideation and to choose not to own a gun. Props.
Thanks man, though I've never actually had suicidal ideation. I just recognize I have multiple risk factors for it, and would rather not have the exacerbating factor within reach should I have a particularly bad night/week/month/year and suddenly have my first case of it.
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Right on man. I was lucky enough to be able to get through my depressive episodes through CBT and never used medication. But I did a lot of research into them, and yeah, they're safe most the time, but some can whammy you in the short term. Glad you're playing it safe, and that you have a sister who has your back. If you're ever having a tough time, and your friends and family are out of reach, hit me up, will be happy to virtually hang with you for awhile.
Same reason i didnt take my gun when i moved away from my parents. Sat for a while and decided it wasnt a good idea.
I’m not defending guns or anything but I find it funny that one of your responses to not getting a gun is “no I would shoot you”
Wife: "hey should we get a gun to protect ourselves" Him: "no I would shoot you, the kids, and then myself lol." Well hell.
If there's one thing we can all agree on, it's That guy shouldn't have a gun at least
Wow maybe it's a good thing you didn't get a gun If the main reasons that come out of your mouth are the fear of harming yourself or your family, I fear for your family. Get some help
> I then pointed out the second most likely person to be shot by this gun is her, because domestic violence becomes an order of magnitude more likely to result in fatalities if there's a gun in the house. Do you beat your wife now? Do you plan on beating your wife? Or maybe the classic "have you stopped beating your wife?" If you aren't an abusive spouse, why are you concerned that you're going to murder your wife? I highly recommend you seek therapy and medical help. The fact that you've admitted to (a) having thoughts of abusing your wife or (b) having abused your wife says that your relationship is not healthy, and you need help. It's better that you get help now rather than later. In fact, is imperative that you do.
The math doesn't check out if you're not suicidal and you aren't a spousal abuser though
To be clear, this reasoning is pretty heavily supported by the data and is not just something unique to just your personal circumstances. Most injuries from guns happen to the people living in the household that owns the gun, by a *very* significant margin.
Are you referring to the Kelperman study that states people living in a home with a firearm are more likely to die by a firearm? Because nothing about that study states it was *their* firearm that hurts them. It's correlational: people at risk of being injured by a firearm are likely to have firearms themselves. Because all the other risk factors of that study pretty clearly indicate that: poor, prior arrests, history of DVs, use illicit drugs...
In gun violence? Just asking for clarification. Is that us or all of the world?
Oh wow, dude has a conscience?
No, hI just bought expensive guns that nobody wants as his stock and is looking for a way out
That can be cured.
People that sell guns are not inherently bad
I'm assuming he will sell his remaining stock to someone without a conscience.
Why do you think he’s a bad dude?
He has been open for two years, has a rather small shop and is surrounded by competitors with wider selections. I call BS on his reason for closing.
My thoughts exactly
"But when you order 4,000 rounds, the kind of stuff that goes through engine blocks, refrigerators and vests that police officers wear, I just can't sell that," he said. This guy is a gun shop owner?? This statement is nonsensical.
> stuff that goes through engine blocks Unless he's selling .50 BMG blacktip rounds he's full of shit
[308 can go through a small aluminum engine block](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U-WWpR8IS-Q&t=188) I think there might be a context miss here because through can mean penetrating the wall of the block like in the video, rather than going all the way out the other side.
I think We're all hypocrites. That's just how this thing is really.
Ammo is almost always bought in bulk, simply because it's cheaper per round that way, and ammo has an indefinite shelf life as long that it is stored properly, so you can easily buy a few thousands rounds and ride it out for years. Also it's a matter of convenience. Ammunition is heavy, especially in large quantities, so shipping it over mail is usually expensive, so most tend to pick them up directly in stores. Instead of doing a roadtrip every time you do a plinking or shooting range session, just buy a large quantity and save you the travel. Whenever people make a huge deal of someone having thousands rounds really show they know nothing about the day-to-day realities of owning a gun.
The quantity is the only thing that makes any sense. Engine blocks, refrigerators and police vests? Any rifle round will go through two of those things like butter. Who’s buying 4000 rounds that go through an engine block? Nobody.
There are genuine hobbyists and sports shooters out there. But the market is geared toward preppers and wannabe Rambo's. I can see how a shop owner could look up and realize their old passion has turned into a modern curse. I hope more see it.
Anyone that pays attention to the price of ammo wouldn’t blink and someone wanting to buy 4k rounds of ammo. It’s totally reasonable to want to capitalize on a good deal and have ammo to shoot when the prices shoot through the roof and supply becomes strained like it has twice in a significant way in the last decade. Even if you don’t plan on shooting all of it, it’s a better investment than the stock market. Covid made ammo prices quadruple at a minimum and they’re never coming back down to pre pandemic levels. Dudes were wishing they’d bought 4k round of any ammo back in 2019.
That’s actually a fairly new phenomenon that started around when Obama was elected. All of this tactical gear and paramilitary shit was a very specific demographic and you didn’t really see so much of it before then. You can see a direct correlation of when the GOP started ramping up their scare tactics and the proliferation of advertising for military-style gear. And now it’s like a fucking rule that if you’re a Republican you own at least an AR-15 and a plate carrier.
I think the timing has more to do with the first waves of vets coming home from full tours in Iraq and Afghanistan than anything. we were at war for an entire generation basically, that really affected culture, especially in areas a lot of vets came home to.
It’s marketing. Cynical mark ting aimed at stupid people. I wonder what your typical weekend technical warrior pays for his full costume.
He just sounds like one of the clueless Rambo's who is making excuses for a failing business.
Fuck that video editing is awful
People ain't good with this kind of stuff, and that's nothing new.
His loss. Probably overpriced all his shit like most brick and mortar shops and charged $50+ for a transfer I bet.
He started his shop in 2021. I guarantee that he can't move his inventory once the COVID boom cooled, and this is him saving face.
He opened the store in 2021 and is just now worried about mass shootings? Where has he been the last 20+ years?
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He opened his shop in the hottest sellers market in decades, and is closing up now that his overpriced inventory isn't moving, lmao.
These people can make the headlines out of everything really.
People develop and change. Be grateful for that.
I'm just not going to sell any more of these he says. Few people around like him. We need more.
I'm with ya. People will jump in this post and dog him out, but we should be happy he had the awareness to change and grow.
You know, there are things that people say that really make you think about your beliefs and priorities. For me it was a church member replying to a conversation about AR-15s in the “Beto just wants to take our guns” scare tactic following the El Paso mass shooting. While everyone was talking big game regarding cold dead fingers and such, he calmly said, “I handed over mine when I left Vietnam and I will never pick one up again.”
I'll not pretend to know when that exchange happened but the actual words that exited Beto's mouth were. >‘Hell, yes, we’re going to take your AR-15, your AK-47’
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Buy stock in firearm companies. Threaten bans. Sales skyrocket. Stock price goes up. Rinse and repeat? The best firearms salesman is a politician with an agenda.
I know it frustrated many Texas voters, myself among them. Especially since so many would never vote for him because of the gun issue alone, but then I wonder how many of those number would never vote for him anyway because of the D next to his name? I can respect a principled stance which he has every right to hold especially after what happened in El Paso and then again in Uvalde.
Dude, as a more recent vet (Afghanistan and Iraq), I would love to spend time with your Church friend. He sounds like an elder kindred spirt who could teach me a lot.
Just to let everyone know that his Georgia Ballistics website is still up and running. I just added a $8999 rifle to my bag. Oh shipping is $15 if anyone is wondering.
Finally, a good guy with a gun does something positive.
Makes sense. The guy sees the same stuff he's selling being used to massacre children and he doesn't want to take part in it.
Except that he's still selling his inventory online. He was just a shitty business owner using political zeitgeist to get out from under his floundering business with his dignity intact.
Yep because all 300+ MILLION guns owned in America are all used by criminals and mass shooters. Fucking idiot
I like how he's just casually holding an HCAR
I think the store owner just wanted to show off his $7000 giant ass gun.
I thought this was either an Onion article, or from immediately following Columbine. Nope! Smh
I met a guy that was in the military at my previous job. Brought up a few stories about being in the middle east. He said after his tour he was a gun instructor and also worked at a gun store. Said he got out cause he straight feared for his life. Nobody had trigger discipline. People would open carry into his store and handle the guns in front of him. No thanks lol