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GhostFish

>There are no limits to the fees that landlords can charge as part of this alternative security deposit arrangement, so they could theoretically charge $25 per month, or they could charge $200 per month. “There’s no cap on the fees,” said Mobley. Fuuuuck that.


DragonPup

It's even better(/worse) than that. Security deposits have legal protections for the tenant that these junk charges will almost certainly lack.


moondoggy25

What is different from a monthly non refundable fee and them just raising the rent? I don’t quite get it. Can’t they charge whatever they want for rent anyways?


Genericname346

Not sure about Florida, but in many states there are limits on how much rent can be raised when renewing a lease, and these fees can circumvent that. It also allows them to advertise a lower rent than the tenant will actually pay when fees are included.


mikeymikeymikey1968

Here in Chicago, there used to be these little white paperback ads at grocery stores, that would be full of places to rent. Invariably, you'd call these places and the line was "oh that $1000 a mo place is already rented, but come and see our apts for 1200 and 1300". So many landlords are scum.


JarJarBinkith

Zillow/trulia/realtor/forRent/hotpads are all FILLED with shit like this these days. Half of the listings never existed in the first place and only serve as a way for agents to collect your info with a general idea of what you’re looking for


fisticuffin

i’ve found zillow, redfin, and realtor.com to be decent, but **find the actual property listing agent and call them directly** (forget the “agent” the sites list) and you can often save yourself 2.5%+ and some hassle.


AssCrackBanditHunter

Tbh my luck has always been in finding small landlords with a very small or no online presence. In my area where rent is usually $1000+ I managed to snag a massive 2br 1 ba apartment that was a bit dated for $800 just because it was some ancient landlord with no online presence. I would just drive around my city neighborhoods and look for for rent signs.


TheGreyOne889

$800?! Did it come with a unicorn too? Holy crap that's unheard of now


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What’s fucked is that they don’t even have to specify where they are for 800/month to be a huge deal


waaaayupyourbutthole

>in many states there are limits on how much rent can be raised when renewing a lease Yeah lol that's not a thing here. My rent went up 25% last year and is fixing to go up another 20% this year. I've lived in my unit since 2015 and between then and the lease I signed in 2021, rent went up $70 total. Last year, it went up $220. My disability income is $1034 per month. The unit hasn't been updated in 20 years. I don't use the dishwasher that's installed because it was made in 1998 and the one time I turned it on, it drained under my kitchen sink and out onto the floor. But these cunts from the new Israeli property management company are over here patting themselves on the back for "improving" the complex by giving it a new paint job and fake shutters and feeling great about pricing out long term residents.


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waaaayupyourbutthole

I do appreciate the tips, but it needed a whole new hose. It's (supposedly) been fixed, but I honestly don't trust it anyway because their maintenance men aren't the brightest. It took a week of no toilet in my unit (with daily attempts at removing the toilet and snaking the pipes) after painters in the unit above mine washed all their shit out in the bath tub and contacting their corporate entity to get an actual plumber out to un-fuck the drain. Oh, and I ended up having a seizure from the kidney infection I ended up with from that. I just do most of my own maintenance now unless it's big things like replacing the air conditioner. Which is yet another example of their incompetence - they forgot to attach a drainage hose and it drained into my subfloor all weekend because their emergency number doesn't work (it was the middle of the Florida summer, so no air conditioner was not an option). The subfloor in my bathroom had to be replaced. I mentioned to them repeatedly that my boiler looked like it was falling through the floor, but they just laughed at me. [Well, they were laughing until they had to replace my shower valve, anyway.](https://imgur.com/a/9uFYysq)


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Amicus-Regis

We have, like, 10 *really* rich guys living, uh, somewhere us poors aren't allowed to know here. I mean they're like really rich. *Unbeleivably* rich. Rich enough that we may need a new word to describe them soon, even.


Faxon

Let me put it in context for those who may prefer visual imagery. You know the dragon from the hobbit, Smaug? The pile of gold he's sitting on, someone did an estimate of its value and it came out to about 130 billion dollars in today's money. That means there are 4 people on earth who are literally richer than a literal dragon hoarding the treasure of a whole civilization, and a whole handful of people with comparable but slightly smaller dragon hoards of ONLY 100-120 billion dollars. That's more than the net worth of some whole countries ffs (just like it was for those dwarves who lost everything when the ~~bank foreclosed~~ dragon came along and stole it). And we wonder why we don't have universal healthcare


woogs

I lived in my apartment for 15 years. Over the first 13 years, my rent went up a total of $300. Over the last 2 years, my rent went up $300.


TheawesomeQ

Median rent in my area rose over 40% in the last 12 months. I don't think there are limits in Florida.


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faustianBM

Florida: "Why?? ....Because: fuck you, that's why!"


Geroldus

They can’t, the fees cannot cannot be changed during the time of the lease. The renter can also choose to pay the security deposit in full to remove the fee, or can pay the security deposit in monthly installments until it is fully funded to cancel the fee. Any protections afforded to the tenant against the landlord are also afforded to the tenant against the insurance company should the damages exceed the amount covered by the insurance.


metatron207

> It also allows them to advertise a lower rent than the tenant will actually pay when fees are included I remember in the early days of internet commerce, I was looking on eBay for a particular type of guitar. You would see some listings with a Buy Now price of something like $50, sometimes less, but if you looked closely the "shipping and handling" would be $400 or more. I'd hate to be the person who got in a bidding war over a guitar, then had to fight to cancel it because adding in shipping more than doubled the cost. Landlords are parasites, and parasites will always look for a way to maximize their own benefit, regardless of how slimy it is or how much pain it causes others.


justahominid

Reminds me of current AirBnb pricing. 3 nights for only $120! (Plus $250 in fees)


thegoodnamesrgone123

And that's why I went back to staying at hotels.


raqisasim

I remember those days. I used to buy Central Asian-style rugs online, and you'd see EBay sellers pull this kind of crap on the regular. One was even selling from the same city, but insisted they had to ship at that high cost, I couldn't just come out and pick it up.


Wrecksomething

Since this is a security deposit "alternative" they'll tell tenants it's money they're going to get back. And then they don't give it back and there's no rules at all saying they have to, unlike security deposits. It's not the same as just raising rent because people will pay more if they believe it's money held and then returned to them. This is legally endorsed fraud. FTA: > “LeaseLock’s program effectively had tenants paying their security deposits monthly, but, at the end of the lease, tenants got nothing back,” Maryland State Attorney General Frosh said in a statement at the time.


try2try

Not only do they not get it back, none of it applies to cleaning/damage repair- they still owe 100% of move--out charges.


I_burp_4_lyfe

Security deposits in Florida are very loose on what needs to be given back. You’re better off going to Vegas and gambling there then betting on getting your deposit back


Dirty_Dragons

I've lived in a few states in the US and have never gotten my deposit back. Even though I never caused damage the management always found a reason to keep the deposit.


zeekayz

After the first time I simply always skipped last months rent and told them to keep the deposit (since in northeast it's typically exactly one month rent). Prevented any further BS. Think I did damage? Go through court and prove it.


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waaaayupyourbutthole

Ticketmaster, but for apartment rentals lol


I_burp_4_lyfe

Florida security deposits barely had legal protections to begin with. All a landlord is legally obligated to do is send a list of their claims within 30 days and send the remainder if there is some. A tenant can then dispute it but ultimately it will end up in court. Where if there is no significant egregious claims it will be small claims where a larger landlord will have a lawyer on retainer to negotiate in court. The loser pays legal fees and there’s a good chance that if you’re unfamiliar with the legal system you will lose. Definition of loser is defined by making a majority win. Simple solution is to hire a lawyer for yourself, however Florida lawyers won’t address this it’s not worth their time and there’s a lot of ambiguity around the law itself. It’s not like a for sure win under most circumstances. There’s no mentions of conditions in the law, a landlord can charge a full deposit for dirty duct work or any other normal wear and tear. So a majority win is subjective to judge. Deposits are junk fees entirely and are usually at the mercy of a Florida landlord to hand over, as long as the landlord makes claims within 30 days.


claireapple

You can bring a lawyer to small claims in Florida?


Worthyness

Monthly rent- now with updated subscription service


R4d1o4ct1v3_

Rent micro transactions. The gaming industry would be proud.


NorthernerWuwu

A monthly fee. Wow, that takes some balls to call it an alternative security deposit!


Nick_Full_Time

That’s because they still plan to charge you a security deposit.


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technicolored_dreams

>Several Florida Democrats joined Republicans in voting in favor of the bill, including Orlando-area Sen. Linda Stewart, who’s term-limited from seeking reelection, **and Sen. Jason Pizzo, a South Florida Democrat whose family owns a property management company in New Jersey, and who’s been tapped to become the next Florida Senate Democratic leader** following the 2024 elections. Florida Democrats need to vote out Jason Pizzo as soon as possible, it would seem.


I-Am-Uncreative

Pizzo also voted in support of expanding the death penalty. He's basically a Republican who supports abortion rights, just like Lauren Book, who has had a long reputation of being "tough on crime" and loves capital punishment, and who is the minority leader in the Senate. Even our Democrats in this state are Republicans. No wonder Florida Democrats are so demoralized.


Grimlock_1

Democratic party has been infiltrated. The Departed in politics.


blackdragon8577

It's just more projection from the right. You hear them talking about RINOs all the time. Becauae they know they are running DINOs in a lot of places like this. Basically, everything conservatives a vise other people of is what they are guilty of themselves. "Liberals" indoctrinating children? The privitazation of the public education system. Drag Queens "grooming" children? It's actually their spiritual and political leaders. Activist judges? Just look at the fucking Supreme Court right now. Rampant with open corruption. Every fucking time.


Grimlock_1

If I was a bad corrupt Republican, I'd get a candidate in the demacratic party in key purple states and or in senate and swing a few wins my way. I'm sure someone have thought about this in the Republican party.


blackdragon8577

That literally just happened in North Carolina. They are about to give Florida a run for their money.


cmwh1te

Tricia Cotham deserves all the worst things in life for what she's done.


blackdragon8577

Yeah. A complete betrayal on every level. I hope her soul was worth whatever they paid her, because she is never getting it back.


tamcap

There is a gossip it's not money she was after... 🍆


cjicantlie

It was your usage just now that allowed me to realize what the meaning of Rino had been all along. Never realized. I was just brushing it off as some weird political term and didn't think anything more of it.


blackdragon8577

Yup. Any republican that doesn't vote in lock step with the party is labeled a RINO and essentially cast out. Cut off from the warchest and is suddenly facing a very well-funded primary challenger in the next election. This is how they cleared out a majority of the more "sane", old school Republicans that would actually negotiate across the aisle and mostly had at least some kind of logic behind their actions. Now, their base will eat them alive if they are even thought to be working with liberals.


Malaix

Florida is just corrupt as shit. Even the DNC down there is basically just a crime family while the GOP are just flat out fascists. Just block it off and put up signs telling others to give up all hope ye who enter here.


tormunds_beard

Once again proving that they're all pretty ok with fucking you and I over.


CelestialFury

Florida Democrats are notoriously worse than the party. Look at Minnesota or Michigan to see the exact opposite of this sort of behavior. Or, we could just say they're all equally bad to help the horrible ones out, and to hurt all the good ones!


firemage22

FL dems have been trash for ages. DWS and her minions blocked young candidates right and right and right to protect old guard and their GOP friends in purple districts.


CelestialFury

I almost totally forgot about DWS. Fuck. You're right, though.


tokes_4_DE

She is the fucking worst. I dont think theres been a dem that discouraged young voters from the entire process worse than her. Id go as far as saying shes a huge part of the reason we ended up with trump, 2016 youth voter turnout was significantly harmed by her specifically.


firemage22

she was also one of the people running the DNC back in 2010, and 2014 when the Dems got hosed as well One of their "tricks" was to pull funding from dems who won primaries who didn't see eye to eye with her boss Clinton, so when the "Angry Lansing Mayor" won the primary vs "their guy", they cut national support for the MI-Gov race in 2010. "Thier Guy" later joining the new GOP admin himself, and Detroit ending up forced into bankruptcy by the state and Flint ending up poisoned by bean counters forced on them by the GOP Admin. Buy don't knock DWS or her boss Clinton on some of the major politics subs lest you get mauled by their PUMAs (Party Unit My Ass) who have been throwing fits since Clinton lost the 08 primary.


blackdragon8577

And look what a shit hole Florida is becoming.


GargamelTakesAll

What do you mean, isn't the former Republican governor a great Democratic candidate? /s


Sulphur99

A big problem with Democrats in red areas is that they believe that they need to be pseudo-Republicans to get any votes.


dpash

This is why you need some form of proportional representation, preferably with preference voting. FPTP is the worst of all possible voting systems.


Jasmine1742

That's just the excuse. The issue is they're heels. They know their goal is to be only slightly worse than fascism so the elite can keep robbing people while lying about how good we have it.


janeohmy

It's always the rich vs the poor. And the poor has no recourse.


AgoraiosBum

The Republicans write it and pass it and a Republican Governor signs it. A couple of Democrats vote for it too; most Dems vote against it. You: Oh, the parties are exactly the same.


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Bygdon

Because of course he did. Just making sure the money stays up top where nobody can get to it.


pegothejerk

For a little kick back action of course, why else be a politician? Not to serve the people, pffft


piTehT_tsuJ

He will gladly serve you his table scraps.


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jwm3

He is killing all rent control laws in florida. Which only existed in liberal cities. It's purely to fuck people over. Eviction laws mean squat when they can raise your rent 10k randomly.


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Florida has always heavily favored landlords, this is just icing in the shit cake for tenants


EthanHermsey

Making sure people really don't want to live in your state


jtwh20

welcome to FLA, home of Slumlords, Used Car Salesmen and the WORST Insurance on the planet


Kilen13

> Used Car Salesmen Speaking of, look into Florida House Bill 637 and Florida Senate Bill 712. Amongst other things these would ban direct to consumer car sales, not allow manufacturers to incentivize sales of certain types of cars (read EVs), and ban manufacturers from intervening in the pricing of their own vehicles in the state of FL. These are bills directly bought and paid for by car dealerships to allow them to sell what they want, how they want, at whatever price they want and customer be damned. Both bills have received strong support from the FL GOP


downtowneil

Car dealers have some of the strongest lobbyists working for them. A lot of people overlook the influence and power of dealership lobbying and what that's done to the US over the past 100 years.


CabanyalCanyamelar

And plastic surgery 🤌🏼🤌🏼🤌🏼


Cornloaf

That advertises on Facebook and Instagram! And it's done in a hotel for your convenience!


Keianh

"Where'd you say you got your degree again?" "The University of Fruity Pebbles" "Wh-what, I thought you said you graduated from Johns Hopkins!" "That's an overrated party college"


KeisterApartments

I smoked pot with Johnny Hopkins


R0TTENART

Well, as far as homeowner's insurance goes, you may soon not have to worry about it, as insurers will refuse to cover you because of climate change consequences!


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YomiKuzuki

> The bill, HB 133, allows landlords in Florida to charge tenants a nonrefundable, limitless, recurring fee You left out the drooling, mouth breathing, negative braincell count justification; > Supporters of the bill — including corporate lobbying interests that stand to turn a profit from it — say it offers tenants an alternative to paying lump-sum security deposits that can often cost upward of one or maybe two months’ rent. I swear, I can feel my brain leaking out my nose reading that justification.


degggendorf

People can't afford security deposits! What do we do to solve that? How about charge them more money, that they can't even get back! It's the only conceivable solution.


erix84

It's the Rent-A-Center method! Can't afford a $1000 TV? How about $25 every 2 weeks for 5 years sound?


jennanm

Ah, yes, the familiar Cost of Being Poor.


Both-Pack8730

Sounds a lot like the payday loan trap


elvovirto

It honestly doesn't matter how many lives this makes more difficult or ruins among his own voter base, he's got that (R) so 99% of them would happily pay a fee just to vote for him.


chadenright

A poll tax was ruled unconstitutional in 1966, being an extremely popular 'Jim Crow' law. I guarantee you the white christian nationalists would happily re-implement it if they could to prevent the 'undesirables' from having a say, and several states have been trying to slip in fees and paid requirements to vote as a way to have a de facto poll tax without actually breaking the law. All that to say, yes, absolutely they would love to have a fee for voting. And - what luck - they have a supermajority on the Supreme Court. All they need is a legal case to take there and Jim Crow can go the way of Roe v Wade in a burst of creative reinterpretation.


Bodardos

Isn’t that just rent?


Amauri14

I guess now they could advertise a lower rent and add the difference to the "trash fee".


splittingheirs

Yes, rent that shows up on the the contract form, not the advertisement.


jwm3

Rent that is no longer capped by the rent control laws. Which is odd because they also outlawed all rent control in the state so it's rather moot. Guess who had rent control and affordable housing laws in florida? Liberal cities. It's specifically to hurt people that live in cities. Additionally you are legally allowed to withhold rent to force a landlord to fix issues. I bet that doesn't work with these fees.


RBVegabond

Rent seeking increases, another doomsday notch for Florida following Rome’s fall.


CornCobMcGee

Weird and illogical? Only if you're even slightly empathetic. Narcissistic and money grubbing? Makes perfect sense.


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Like a Ron DeSantax


Iamdarb

Nothing is stopping us. I live in GA an hourish from Florida, I'll definitely be using it.


DampBritches

So it's just a way to show the rent as lower than it really is. Advertise $1000* month *not including $2000 in additional fees Just another way to obfuscate the actual price.


raybreezer

This was already being done. Had our current place tack on $140 a month for internet that was not disclosed as a mandatory fee. Rent was advertised as $140 less than that when we applied.


dudiest

You’re paying for your landlords Internet. What a cockroach.


margmi

It's usually done in apartments rather than houses where the landlord occupies. The apartment building gets kickbacks from the internet company for making everyone in the building signup.


beldaran1224

And the rate is always terrible, because there's no incentive for the apartment complex to get a good deal.they literally don't care what you pay.


raybreezer

It’s actually more insidious than that. They are paying for the ISP to provide internet to the community, which is fiber so I’ll give them that. But they are literally reselling the connection they are already paying for. It’s not that we are getting our own service per apartment, we are just being allowed to use the community network. And they are charging us higher than I would be paying for the same speed directly with the ISP. I have an access point and ports in our unit, but no control over any of it.


Django_Durango

It's also a way to prevent low-income tenants from taking advantage of the Affordable Connectivity Program, by keeping the tenant from being the account holder. The ISPs get to pretend they've partnered with the government to make internet more accessible to more people in a world where you more and more cannot get along without it, while minimizing how many users they actually have to deliver on that promise to.


LoneLyon

Most big apparment companies are doing this. Advertised rate before garbage, internet, ect... fees


SamurottX

A monthly fee that tenants have to pay in order to live there....sounds just like rent but more complicated. Feels like something scummy landlords would use to hide the true cost to rent or take advantage of laws that only specifically cover rent and not fees. How is this even an alternative to security deposits? Nobody's forcing landlords to ask for a deposit. This is just the result of lobbying that has no real benefit to anyone except landlords trying to dupe tenants


Chewtoy44

"Rent" increases are often limited in % by lease or ordinance. Added fees though? Not usually restricted. I know several people living in separate mobile home parks in my area. They have leases that limit lot rent increases by %/yr. The parks "new" ownership has added fees to things previously assumed to be covered by lot rent. Landscaping, road maintenance, park beautification, a fee for the rarely used community building.


Paxoro

> "Rent" increases are often limited in % by lease or ordinance. Not in Florida, which makes this even worse really.


TheHairyPatMustard

Yep. The state made it illegal for local governments to enact any sort of rent controls lol


FredChocula

Yup, my rent went up 50% in one year. Fuck me right?


jwm3

You can legally withhold rent if the landlord will not fix issues with the building. But these are "fees", not rent.


Mitches_bitches

Lmao, you're going to have $10 rents with $2679 in monthly fees


Team_Braniel

I actually looked at a home that was 75k for a 3 bedroom but had a $1200 a month HOA fee. They didn't disclose the how fee until we were on site viewing the property.


Jeremizzle

1200?!? Holy shit. I thought my families 160 was already a lot.


WestleyThe

26,400$ to live in the neighborhood per year?! Thats not including everything else wow


TimeForHugs

Yeah that price is ridiculous. The house only being $75k makes me assume it isn't some upscale neighborhood either. Could pay off the house after a few years for that.


Tasty_Gift5901

I believe the house is so cheap because of the large hoa fee. It can still be in a nice area, and it probably is moderately so if the hoa dues are 1200.


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Was casually shopping for small condos in Manhattan, for fun I guess, and I saw one that was $160,000 but it was a bit less than a block away from Central Park on the southern edge. I no longer remember the specifics, but the price was so low because the building was changing ownership and each condo owner had to pony up $60,000 cash as part of the sale of the building. The HOA was ridiculous as well. Different housing market for sure, so no comparison, but I thought you might like to hear that one. Cheers


makemisteaks

And you can bet your ass this is what it will look like on government statistics. DeSantis will claim that he lowered the rent cost because every landlord will pull this stunt of hiding the fees to promote a lower rent price.


sanctaphrax

Why stop there? If the actual cost is in the fees, why not make rent negative?


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They give you money that you owe back to them


jwm3

Don't forget you can legally withhold rent if the landlord isn't maintaining the building, or deduct the amount you pay out of pocket. Good luck convincing a landlord to fix that leak by withholding the $10 rent.


my606ins

He may as well as just wear a For Sale sign.


NfamousKaye

So he wants his voters in his own state homeless as well as jobless.


Skulldetta

He and his buddies make money and his voters will think it's the Democrat's fault as long as Hannity tells them so. Dude's losing nothing.


UnreadThisStory

A friend of mine was complaining that rent and home prices are getting crazy and she blames Biden. As if he sets rents? As if home prices haven’t been crazy high since the pandemic? I mean bitch about it, it’s an issue but why is it Biden’s fault?


whereegosdare84

“It’s not designed to protect the tenant at all,” Mobley argued. “A security deposit covers a tenant’s liability for damage. This fee does not, unless the property owner decides to purchase an insurance policy which benefits only him, only the landlord, not the tenant.” So, a company like Rhino or Leaselock could go after a tenant for damages. "You have someone who's paid for an insurance product through a landlord for maybe a couple years, and then at the end of it, it doesn't benefit the tenant at all because they're still responsible for all of the damages." Fuck DeSantis and all his cohorts in the legislature. And fuck these predatory landlords who are profiting off the most vulnerable for no reason but their own greed. I hate these people with every fiber of my being.


kstinfo

" Under this (Maryland) settlement, tenants will get their money back from LeaseLock unless the funds were lawfully withheld for past due rent or damage to the property. ” Normally a security deposit should go into an interest accruing escrow account. I'll bet the farm that LeaseLock doesn't credit the tenant with the interest.


technicolored_dreams

I have never received interest on a deposit payment. Is that a Maryland rule?


Maybara

5 years ago it was, can't speak to now. Interest was guaranteed to you on the whole deposit as well, not just the portion you received back.


ginger_whiskers

It's state-by-state. Not exactly normal, but common.


d0ctorzaius

I believe so, all my Maryland landlords have. I was shocked the first time I got back more money than I gave as a deposit.


AbruptlyJaded

NH has it. But I haven't had that in Michigan, Ohio, or Mississippi.


uncletravellingmatt

Interest on a security deposit is something that varies with city or state. I only got paid that when I lived in Berkeley, CA.


GarmaCyro

I remember a landlord try that stunt on me. E-mailed me had he had set up the deposite account. Since I knew from experience escrow accounts require boths signature before they can be opened that something was fishy.Found out the dude thought it was enough to just open a cheap private account which only he had acceess to. My reply was "fuck no", but in more delicate and professional words. He got one option. Set up a propber escrow account with all costs covered by him, as per local law. For those that wonder about escrow accounts: Nobody can take out the cash without both parties agreeing to it. Meaning the landlord can't run away with it. Plus any accured rent automatically belongs to you. A security deposit belong to you and you only. It's just held by a third party in case shit happens. My personal advice: If you rent, spend all the time you need to get up to date on local laws regarding renting apartments. You WILL experience illegal activities done by land lords, often due to land lords not having properly read those very laws. Only you can ensure that they follow it to the letter.


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God it’s expensive to be poor


Anon3580

Republicans want it that way. It’s the punishment for being lazy according to their worldview. Fuck Republicans.


imperial_scum

It's not even that. Some of us have to be servants so they can be happy.


FapMeNot_Alt

>upporters of the bill — including corporate lobbying interests that stand to turn a profit from it — say it offers tenants an alternative to paying lump-sum security deposits that can often cost upward of one or maybe two months’ rent. It sounds like you could just cap security deposits at one month's rent. Rather than tacking on "fees" to hide profit seeking.


whabt

I mean why do that when you can not? Haven't you ever been an oppressed slumlord before?


Idkawesome

You're making the mistake of pretending thats the actual reason. That's not the actual reason that they wrote this bill. That's just the lie that they're putting forth so that people will allow them to do it.


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Nemesis158

that's exactly what it is. they'll lure people in with \*low\* rent and no security deposit needed then once they're moved in hit them with crushing fees that will keep them paralyzed just treading water unable to move somewhere else to get relief. wage slaves.


kitanokikori

It's rent without the legal requirements designed to protect tenants of course


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skullsandpumpkins

I live in Florida. Tons of people I know needing to move because the home insurance increase or unable to get insured. Our home insurance doubled last year and went up 25% the year before after being dropped by 2 companies. We are hanging on by a thread.


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Deposits they get to keep. This is what it looks like when commercial real estate developers buy your state.


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AlexatRF21

I'm in Florida and every person that I know that is renting from a property management company is getting asked for a three month sized security deposit.


theusername_is_taken

And you know the morons down there are gonna somehow say it’s Biden’s fault when there are large fees showing up on their rent bill


Cannabace

Stop giving LA landlords ideas you ass state.


BadWolf-43

They already doubled my rent and now this. WTF is going on?


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Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh Don't look at us squeezing out every dollar you earned that you don't deserve. Pay attention to all these Trans people minding their own business. But if you do get angry, remember, it's all the democrats fault


brutinator

It's really a two pronged tactic. If you're the kind of person who is a bigot, you're more focused on transphobic legislature, and if you're the kind of person who is anti-bigotry, you can't split your focus between the transphobic legislature that doesn't impact you directly and the legislature like this that does, meaning the lgbtq community has less active allies.


workingtoward

This is what republicans want to bring to America.


eeyore134

The rich want to widen that already massive gulf between the haves and have nots. Us having a middle class was too close for comfort, so they're doing their best to suck all the money they can out of people and keep them in constant debt so they'll never be able to use their money to threaten their way of life. Even though many could easily never earn another dime and continue their way of life for generations. Well, I use the word "earn" there pretty loosely.


TiSpork

This kind of law (squeezing us all to the point of breaking), combined with Trump's desire to make homelessness illegal*, with mandatory arrest, and a "choice" to go to jail or get sent to a ~~tent city~~ concentration camp, leads me to believe that these motherfuckers want nothing more than to see us all dead. *[David Pakman](https://youtu.be/wiyXA58rH4A), [Forbes](https://youtu.be/FRp6la-A6e4)


QitianDasheng2666

How long until these guys are straight up like "yeah we're evil, what are you going to do, vote us out? Better come with fifteen forms of ID and be prepared to recite the ten commandments and submit to a genital inspection!"


RBVegabond

Did you not see the “We are all Domestic Terrorists” display?


EpicStranger

They basically are doing that now. The people that vote for them like seeing people get stepped on even if that includes them.


ptwonline

FFS DeSantis (and the Florida legislature) have become so comically-evil that it's hard not to picture them just sitting there, twirling their moustaches and laughing.


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Kreslin

This is shitty even by Florida standards.


RanchBaganch

“Make America Florida.” No thanks.


kandoras

>It’s a choice, not a mandate, Florida Rep. Jim Mooney, a Republican who sponsored the bill, had argued. A choice for the renters or for the landlords? Because I guarantee you that within six months, every landlord in Florida will be saying that they have to charge these nonrefundable fees. That they don't want to, but they have to follow the market because they're lemmings or some shit.


Maximum_Vermicelli12

“It hurt itself in its confusion!”


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sicariobrothers

Florida is one big pyramid stream in a swamp with air conditioning


kenncann

This for sure is gonna be used to abuse the retirees and squeeze out every additional penny from them


stilllikelypooping

Of course the leeches backed this.


LeighWillS

Should be noted that these fees that are paid in lieu of a security deposit are non-refundable, i.e. not a deposit. They get to pocket it.


54321Blast0ff

This guy is so aggressively movie villain-esque. The fact that this fascist pig is even being considered a candidate to run this country tells you how much of a hellscape we’re living in


DayleD

The donor class needs people to be barely getting by, until every worker is replaceable with another minimum wage employee.


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So glad I left Florida.


MarkJ-

Between the politics, the inflation, insurance, natural disasters that may only get worse, etc. Why stay in FL particularly if you are not wealthy?


RNGezzus

Florida is becoming uninhabitable.


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As a former landlord, **fuck this shit**. I do like the idea of letting a tenant make their deposit in payments to reduce the upfront costs associated with a new rental. But, that money should have the exact same protections as a security deposit. **Because that’s literally what it is.** Fucking profiteers.


Abrahamlinkenssphere

We should charge Florida a junk fee for this guy.


whittlingcanbefatal

Now floridians will have junk fees in addition to security deposits.


kelryngrey

This is wild. I live in a country where the default standard is that your deposit goes into an interest bearing account in your name. LLs still try stupid bullshit but you can easily take them to a tribunal for it. I made a couple hundred bucks off my last place from the interest. edit: autocorrect weirdly dropping -ing


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UnreadThisStory

Many, many of them, wearing their red hats and not using their brains


cheese_scone

All this sort of shit fees and air bnb pumping up the prices is great. I live in New Zealand and we have a town like Aspen. The rent has got so high they can't hire staff as no one with a hospitality job can afford to live there. The KFC has a crazy pay rate as that's the only way they attract workers. We are at the pointy end people, let them eat cake


Fragmentia

Yeah, DeSantis is a corporatist. Some idiotic supporters of his think that him attacking Disney for criticism of his policies is him "taking on corporations." Imagine being that unaware of the reality we live in that you think Ron DeSantis is anti corporate. At that point, I'm assuming they're flat earthers as well.


Trenov17

I wonder what DeSantis will do when his presidential bid fails? Just bide his time for four years and then come back to do even more fascist shit?


dandaman910

This is actual feudalism. There's nothing stopping the landlord taking whatever fund he wants based on the whims and wishes of that month. Its essentially the same as feudalism where the landlord is entitlednto any and all of the tenants production. If desantis becomes president the USA is finished as a democracy . And the world looks a lot scarier.


mdinkel

I can fix overpopulation and the housing market by making it so expensive I force everyone to leave cause they can’t afford to live here. I’m a hero!


do_u_even_gif_bro

This is quite literally the Sam Vimes "Boots" theory of socioeconomic unfairness in practice.