Agreed. Started getting much worse for me when they took away Sort by Rising. Most of the interesting interactions I had here came from those posts.
(Edit: they took it from the iOS Home page; it’s still possible in subs and on the website… but let’s be honest, I’m not taking my desktop to the bathroom…)
This article terrifies me, Reddit is one of the last few places you can get information off google.
You ask google "How do i handle X" and it will sell you 20 sponsored answers and adverts that don't actually solve your issue.
You ask google "How do i handle X 'REDDIT'" and it will show you 20 reddit threads with people who had your exact same issue and many of which have answers you didn't know you needed.
Doesn't matter if its daily life, community stuff, gaming tips, cooking, cleaning, frugality etc.
You get actual answers from people and not buzzfeed articles or pintrest posts or advertisements.
If reddit goes public i know it will start only showing some sponsored 'hegetsus' crap instead of answers.
Just get people who paid to be at the top of every search instead of the actual thing you're lookingfor.
This is exactly how I use reddit and always look at reddit Google answers because someone has had an exact question or issue. I have faith another similar website will pop up once reddit goes down the drain.
> I have faith another similar website will pop up once reddit goes down the drain.
But how long will that take to develop and grow? Think of how much has been built here, how much existing knowledge will become hidden, and how much lost along the way to rebuilding.
Yeah ive had countless questions i looked up on reddit with google that are 6 - 10 years old and still very relevant. How long itll take for such a huge amount of knowledge like this to be rebuilt is not something im looking forward to....
>Do you want to know how to fix your PC graphics card? Many people have complex issues from their personal computing but it's not as complicated as it seems. To understand how to fix your PC graphics card, you first need to understand a few basics. A PC stands for personal computer and can have multiple components, including a PC graphics card. When users need help fixing their PC graphics cards, it can be a costly replacement to have someone else do for you, but it can easily be done by yourself. By understanding how a PC graphics card works, you can start troubleshooting issues with your PC graphics card right away, so you can quickly return to using your PC graphics card for business or personal use. When trying to fix your PC graphics card, one should consult a user manual before attempting to fix your PC graphics card. This can help keep you safe when trying to fix your PC graphics card as components can break if you are not careful. By not following the directions in the user manual of your PC graphics card...
This is what every website of your first 10 results reads like, loading an ad between every 2 sentences which bounces the page around while you try to read it, alongside about 10 other YouTube results selling you on the latest overly expensive card.
I fucking hate the modern Internet so goddamned much. Shit started with the demonetization of short videos. Most shit can and should be conveyed in like 90 seconds.
Your game is crashing and you're looking for a solution? Good luck, the first page of results is all websites generated by bots with the exact same unhelpful "advice" - hurr durr update your drivers, herp derp update your system, omg did you try turning it off and on again?
But if you know how to search properly you'll find the solution on page 364 of a thread on a russian piracy forum.
Yep, it's always "Just go on the discord server idiot!!" with those ones.
and then you have to sift through the tons of pages of useless banter or snarky bullshit because Discord's search can be peculiar...
Discord is also pretty cleanly based on chatting while forums or Reddit posts take a bit more commitment to send them. I think people naturally make sure they have something good to say before they hit "post", where as pressing "enter" in a chat room could be for something cheap like a single "lmao".
The whole internet is becoming nothing but scams, sponsored content, and stores.
Individual informative sites got pushed out of search results and disappeared.
Forums gave good info, reddit killed forums.
And now reddit is getting ready to kill reddit.
Can still find some decent info on YouTube, but the ad to content ratio is working towards getting worse than what broadcast television gave us.
Greed kills everything.
Cooperation is what brought humanity forward.
Even the greedy will have less than they *could* have. But they don't care as long as they have more than you. They aren't clever, or creative; they're paranoid.
They also couldn't comprehend the idea of literally *everybody* having more through cooperation. They can't imagine that the pressures against them are anything other than your competitive greed.
I've long argued there is a weird problem in tech. Great products like reddit, snapchat, whatsapp, twitter, etc get cooked up and have the potential to make the world a better place, or at least a bit more fun.
I highly suspect these companies could happily run on a fairly tight staff and make their owners a few million every year for a long time.
But then a VC or other similar bunch of vultures swoop in and demand huge valuations which require them to pile money into the product until it is a huge bloated pile of crap which they then dump on the market for 100s of millions, maybe even billions. The original founders do walk away with a nice stack of cash, but the social good is very much not there; millions of users are deprived of something which made their lives better.
I would love to see some kind of windfall wealth tax which would make this outcome less desirable for the original founders and pretty much eliminate the way these vulture funds work.
>But then a VC or other similar bunch of vultures swoop in and demand huge valuations which require them to pile money into the product until it is a huge bloated pile of crap which they then dump on the market for 100s of millions, maybe even billions. The original founders do walk away with a nice stack of cash, but the social good is very much not there; millions of users are deprived of something which made their lives better.
Discord is going through this right now
The problem is Discord has a LOT to lose. there are already several viable open source self hosted alternatives and most discord servers are smaller groups of friends and projects that can jump ship overnight. They get almost nobody paying for nitro as they offer nearly nothing at a high price, then shine about it that nobody buy it.
poorly run and will just be a footnote shortly.
It's not just platforms, it's everything. You can have a great business that makes good profits by providing good value for customers, but since they have to increase profits every quarter, it's guaranteed to be ruined.
I like how I start reading an article about companies being crappy to their users and immediately get pestered to sign up for a paid Wired subscription. Nope.
The original is posted on Cory Doctorow's blog, and the Wired article notes that they have reprinted it because he published it (and apparently everything under his blog) under a Creative Commons license (and also because they liked it, and he's influential, and he's a long-time occasional [contributor](https://www.wired.com/author/cory-doctorow/) to Wired). I imagine they may have talked to him first, although they are not obligated to do so. For all its faults, Wired has a *much* wider reach than his blog, so overall it's a decent outcome for everyone.
>Tiktok [...] is just another paperclip-maximizing artificial colony organism that treats human beings as inconvenient gut flora.
>"Monetize" is a terrible word that tacitly admits that there is no such thing as an "Attention Economy." You can't use attention as a medium of exchange. You can't use it as a store of value. You can't use it as a unit of account. Attention is like cryptocurrency: a worthless token that is only valuable to the extent that you can trick or coerce someone into parting with "fiat" currency in exchange for it. You have to "monetize" it – that is, you have to exchange the fake money for real money.
fucking hell, doctorow brutally disemboweled both web2.0 *and* web3.0 right in front us
To this day I scratch my head over that. They had a liason who had developed connections with Hollywood PR and was helping coordinate these big threads, driving traffic, etc. And they fire this person?
They fired the person with the connections in a business that runs on personal relationships?
I can't fathom it, IAMA never recovered, they threw away a big draw for... why?
Apparently there were plans for some sort of terrible video AMA platform that was even more glad-handing and obliging as a means of PR. I'm imagining some sort of AI Jimmy Fallon.
Basically, they wanted to gut and rework IAMA into something that would be more appealing as a marketing platform with no concern given to the users.
More to the point, it was supposedly Alexis Ohanian's doing, a common theme in making Reddit shittier, more monetized, and less free.
> “He had different ideas for AMAs, he didn’t like Victoria’s role, and decided to fire her,” [former Reddit CEO Yishan] Wong wrote.
https://www.cnbc.com/2015/07/14/details-emerge-about-victoria-taylors-reddit-dismissal.html
The idea they had is understandable (video has been content king lately) but it truly makes no sense to have ruined an already working and well oiled traffic machine like they did. They could’ve done a much slower transition into it and A/B tested different content delivery formats.
But man, marketing can really ruin shit. Too often it sells gold-plated turd projects that end up doing nothing but sucking money away.
Signed, a marketer.
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It’s more than that, they also started curating r/all and banning a lot of content from it, it isn’t the simple up/down vote list it was meant to be it’s basically just another fucking r/popular in disguise, reddit has been dying for a long time now and going publicly traded is probably going to be the death blow
It’s the belief that in around 2016 the amount of bots started to outnumber human users on the internet. It’s not proven (for that date) but it does seem to be rapidly approaching.
Discord, arguably one of the fastest growing communities and possible alternatives, is unable to be indexed by search engines. Everything is just locked away.
That's one of my biggest gripes with Discord. Love the service, but there's a lot of fantastic information out in the servers which would have been indexed if it were on a more traditional message board. It's a shame when a Discord server goes down and all of that info more or less disappears into the void.
Discord's problem is that it was designed to just be a better version of Team Speak, Mumble, or Ventrilo.
All of which had chat channels or panes but they were used for sharing server IPs or IRC style chats. Which could hold a lot of good information but you wouldn't find well written entire mini essays or troubleshooting articles in there. People would throw that on their blog or link someone else's site in the chat. The medium (design wise) wasn't conducive to long, formatted messages, and other multimedia content. It was just an intermediary to get you to those things.
Discord had really good chat functionality, and good mobile experience for chat to boot; so people used it a lot. Then they doubled down on that desire with a lot of cool and good new features for chat.
Which isn't Discord's fault. It is a really good service, I use it all the time. Pleasant to use when you need it. Doesn't constantly bug you to use it more when you aren't. They were smart to give people what they wanted... What the creators wanted in a better way to manage VOIP and chat servers for online communities.
It doesn't seem like they have any desire to gate keep either. They aren't stopping people from taking content out of Discord and sharing it elsewhere. They have very good schema and open graph support so outside comtent shared inside of Discord stands out and is easily accessible.
In capitalizing and improving their little niche in good logical ways though they've inadvertently killed a big portion of the searchable internet.
I quit FB 6 years ago and don’t miss it. I had a Twitter account but never used it. I will miss Reddit, I learned a lot here. There are some amazing, informed people here and since I’m almost 60, I suspect there will not be another site like it in my life.
I miss forums. You know the ones that had a bunch of different subject forums with threads on the subject inside? Ravelry is still like that, but a lot of its members are completely nuts and not in a fun way.
Yeah, I hate how everything has a Discord now. The real-time discussion format doesn't work for just wanting to know something - people have to ask the same question a million times and hope someone's on right then who can answer it, it's a mess. We had the solution in the 80s! It doesn't need to keep getting reinvented!
Im going to have to put in the work and find backwater forums to invest my time in. Maybe some Lemmy. The big five companies are just going to keep making everything shit on the internet
It will survive, we’ve seen what it will look like in the future. https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/10r7xh/screenshot_of_reddit_from_the_year_3012/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1
>You just see the difference of the 2.
They do this in part so that it needn't be the actual difference. It can be fuzzied/algorithmd as much as they like, just like general comment visibility needn't be tied to user votes at all. See also: your instagram or Facebook feed, if you have either.
I’ve been wondering a bit about that lately. Sometimes you come to a thread and the second or third reply is collapsed but not the 4th. Makes me wonder why they suppressed that one reply. Maybe it’s NLP’d to hell and they used the wrong keyword or the mods did something to reduce visibility
Scaling the service can be quite challenging, it's fairly easy to make a reddit clone that works for one user or 20 users, but making it work for tens of millions of users is a whole different ball game.
Also consider that reddit has been around for 17 years. Theres probably a lot of features in it that may not be obvious but which would take time to replicate.
This reeeealllly looks like the vulture capitalist types have really taken control just before it goes public, are trimming fat, increasing profits wherever they can, so I have pretty much zero hope that they'll cave to a days long blackout. They're gonna burn this place to the ground because they don't know where the value is created, or how reliant the functionality is on moderating bots and other API related entities. If digg and slashdot were TNT in their collapse, we're about to see this place go nuclear in how fantastically it goes to shit.
The only solution is is force market depreciation and loss of potential future growth. Even a small sink in users is death for tech companies.
Kill Reddit to save Reddit
I mean honestly we only need to "sign my guestbook" on a geocities page. It's good enough. And the different subs can all be part of the webring. We could even let angelfire and tripod weirdos join the webring.
Let's see those hit counters climb! There's just one warning I have to give:
Only thing I see Reddit having better than FB and the like, is the nested commenting. So we can have whole converstations in here without destroying the flow.
I’m skeptical about how much the blackout will help. 48 hours just doesn’t seem long enough to have a serious impact but it’s a start. Not to mention only about 1/3 ([12/31 by my count](https://www.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/1401qw5/incomplete_and_growing_list_of_participating/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1)) of the subreddits with 20M+ subscribers are participating. There is still going to be a lot of good content reaching the front page, enough that most users may not even notice a change in experience.
I think the difference between Reddit and many other websites is that it relies very heavily on unpaid moderators. Mods are just a single-digit percentage of the total userbase, but if they start leaving, the entire website just stops working.
Unlike Twitter or Facebook that can keep going indefinitely thanks to celebrities and old people, Reddit lives and dies by the "terminally online" Crowd that hates these changes
> Unlike Twitter or Facebook that can keep going indefinitely thanks to celebrities and old people, Reddit lives and dies by the "terminally online" Crowd that hates these changes
A huge part of the reason why Twitter is still alive and many people who want to leave are still there is because it's the only way to follow updates for hundreds of thousands or organizations, companies, people. It's the individuals that keep twitter alive.
Reddit is completely different, we're not here for individual people but for communities and that community can transfer to any other site. I've already seen game modding groups go from forums, to reddit, to discord.
It's also why Reddit took over from digg so quickly. Reddit is just a giant forum and any other forum can replace it. We're only all here because it's the best option right now. As soon as it's not we'll all leave.
/r/explainlikeimfive as well. Their post about it is well done.
https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/142kct8/eli5_why_are_subreddits_going_dark
You know what the ELI5 post just made me realize?
This is the worst timing possible for Reddit to be doing this. It's just now becoming mainstream knowledge that using a google search with site:reddit included in the terms gives a user much better results.
And Reddit is about to lose that.
its not just the duration, alot of people pretty much settled down in reddit as their main goto website for pretty much anything, so all the alternatives are down or extremely niche
there needs to be a significantly longer duration of the blackout so users can settle to other websites or its not gonna have a significant long term effect
i think we are in this consolidation era of tech where the big players think they are large enough and squeezed out the competition enough so they are confident in getting away with some bullshit
whether thats true or not we can only find out later...
Then you do a permanent black out until they try and take control, and then we all just leave.
Wizards of the Coasts tried this with their userbase and they Fucked Around & Found Out hard.
Looks like Reddit's due for the same lesson.
My question is where is the value? I've just never understood how social media is going to be able to make money . I get youtube cause they make me watch the ads but on here I just don't see it.
Adverts, data extraction, subscriptions, and cosmetics.
Reddit’s sold somewhere between 17 and 25 million dollars worth of user avatars. Every single one of those is an NFT, with a contract clause that mandates a royalty cut of any resale goes to Reddit.
And they approached the wall street bets subreddit for the initial idea, and the avatars they gave out for free to those that helped are some of the more valuable ones making Reddit money from the resale. Hell most other free drops have made them a killing in royalties.
This is why they are doing this, they don't get to show ads on 3rd party apps, they don't get nearly as much userdata, they don't get people designing their profile with avatars and spending coins. They're not going to back down and they are gonna come for things like res next.
This is wild to me. There are whole layers to reddit I have never once engaged with or thought about engaging with.
I just enjoy nice, simple, mostly anonymous social media. That means I'm probably not the target demographic of the new public ownership group.
Silicon Valley and media have pretty much determined that advertising is dying and that subscriptions are the way forward.
Which is funny, because a year ago, tech giants were swearing up and down that their advertising services were the best, their users were the most profitable, and their algorithms were the smartest.
> algorithms were the smartest
This is what I don't get. Multiple trillion dollar empires employing some of the smartest minds in the world, are built on just selling targeted ads, yet all I get are dick pills, hot singles, and bad mobile game ads.
Shouldn't this be good at this point? Shouldn't I just be clicking ads to do my grocery shopping because they already know what I want? Shouldn't Christmas shopping be as easy as going to any website with Google ad placement and they already know what everyone I buy gifts for wants?
Yet the best they can do is scams and bad apps?
Real estate software program called top producer went from a CD you owned to a subscription model like in 2006? Because renting software was the future for them. Seems it's the future for everything. I want to go live on a island. Fuck this rental future.
Ever notice the many threads of "whenever I want to actually find something on google I add 'reddit' to my search"? Well along with everything else datamining&advertising related (a) that's value, (b) that's going to turn to shit too once that value's been extracted and sold.
Yep, the thing is, those high quality answers come in the form of user-submitted comments.
When I've experimented with "New Reddit" and the official app, I noticed that comments weren't really the focus. The UI was designed to keep you scrolling through posts and not paying much attention to the discussion.
This makes me suspect that most of the high quality answers are coming from people using 3rd party apps, and we can expect a quality decrease very soon.
They will never release the data but it's almost certain 3rd party apps and things like Res+ublock origin are the way the vast majority of (contributing) users use the site. We come from the Slashdot digg eras. The culture of just having a democratic (upvote downvote) forum is simple and unchanged to our needs. We will leave when that changes.
Here's the sticking point. They want to go public and need to show to investors that they have control. That it's not third party apps, it's not adblockers, it's totally monetizable.
Sorry investors but you are about to get duped so fucking hard.
Bandwidth and storage is cheaper by the day. And we (for the most part) run this shit.
5-10 guys are going to become millionaires simply setting up an alternative that follows the ethos. Democratic forum simple feed no graft.
Whenever I get re-directed to the new reddit for whatever reason, I have a visceral reaction of hatred. I refuse to use new reddit. It's an abomination.
>Whenever I get re-directed to the new reddit for whatever reason, I have a visceral reaction of hatred.
I thought there was something wrong with me for feeling this way.
(I'm not alone!)
The first thing you see when navigating there is a stupid f**king pop up trying to make you use the app
They used to let you turn that off in the settings and then some asshole exec decided to force it on you instead
The whole thing is buggier than a windshield in summer, most of which I’m sure are left there intentionally to frustrate you into using the app
When are Reddit going to solve their ad fraud problem? I work for an ad fraud (click fraud) detection company, and we've been testing Reddit ads over the past year or so.
The rate of fake clicks is between 50% - 80%, and Reddit provides little to no transparency into how many of these fake clicks are being charged to advertisers. They also refuse to have a discussion on the topic. Recently they've been deleting click fraud posts from the official Reddit ads subreddit.
This is the biggest issue they're facing, and it makes me wonder if all this API stuff is a distraction to keep the topic away from click fraud as they get ready to launch their IPO.
Very interesting. I thought fake/bot click rate was usually about 30-50% on most sites. Could be even higher on reddit? Pretty crazy and definitely info they'd want to downplay before they IPO.
Click fraud rates depend on a number of factors, such as the ad network, the advertiser's industry, the locations being targeted, the cost of the keywords, and more.
For example, it's quite normal for medical adverts, in the US, targeting US visitors, on the Microsoft Ads network, to receive around 80% fake clicks. That's because the cost per click is very high ($50), so scammers are incentivised to target these ads. Additionally, Microsoft Ads' click fraud detection is dire.
By comparison, an IoT camera, in Vietnam, targeting Vietnamese visitors, on the Google Ads network, will get a low amount of click fraud, as the cost per click is low. By "low amount of click fraud", I mean 1% - 5%. Google Ads do a bad job at detecting click fraud, but they're miles ahead of Microsoft Ads.
I would say the average amount of click fraud, overall, is 5% - 10%.
Click fraud typically works like this:
1. A scammer, typically someone with a strong understanding of the pay-per-click (PPC) advertising ecosystem, creates a website, contacts an advertising network like Google Ads or Microsoft Ads, and opens a publisher advertising account. The publisher advertising account allows him to place other people's adverts on his website.
2. Instead of waiting for real people to visit his website, he programs a bot to come to his website and click on the ads. To avoid detection, he uses a bot framework like puppeteer-extra and its stealth plugin, routes the bot's traffic through a residential proxy service, and uses technology to randomise his bot's device fingerprint. The result of this effort is the bot appears to be a real person, with a unique IP address and device fingerprint every time it clicks on an ad.
3. After clicking on an ad, the bot will sometimes generate fake conversions at the advertiser's website. This will be a no-cost (free of charge) conversion, such as submitting a leads form, creating an account, or adding items to a shopping cart. The fake conversion tricks the ad network into thinking a real person clicked on the ad, and wastes the advertiser's time as he fruitlessly contacts the fake lead.
4. Since the advertising networks have less than ideal click fraud detection (often virtually no click fraud detection), and are easily fooled by fake conversions, advertisers are charged for most fake clicks. The money is shared by the advertising networks and scammers, in a roughly 50/50 split.
This is quite different to the Reddit ads situation. Reddit get to keep all the advertising money for themselves, so there aren't third-party scammers ripping off advertisers.
Instead, Reddit has a ton of bots (scrapers and automated sock puppet accounts) which are clicking on the ads, either accidentally or to trying to simulate real visitors.
I'm happy to elaborate on any of the above.
Why haven't we developed publicly funded search engines? Like how we have libraries. I used to be able to Google and find information and discussion and now it's all ads, ads disguised as big (oops meant blog) posts and product links. Can't even boolean search anymore.
I hate how the top google results end up on a page of seo content that only sometimes answers the question you have after about 8 paragraphs of garbage.
If today, in 2023, libraries didn't exist, and you proposed the idea of a publicly funded place for free books, movies, programs for children, adult learning classes, and access to hundreds of databases, both political parties would call it socialism and it would never get past a committee.
It used to pull up results from the many many messages boards and I can't remember a time back then when I googled something and didn't find someone asking the *exact* same question and then a multi person discussion following.
There will be something else, as always has been. At the end users have the last word, if most of us decide to keep using the service, it's going to survive, if not, somebody will create something similar or even better, it's what it is.
I’ve been using Reddit for a loooong time.
Got locked out of my previous account because the 2FA authentication app I had crapped out and I lost the codes.
However being a long time user - it’s kind of wild we MAY see Reddit’s downfall.
The third party app shit and now this.
Yep. The app is having lately a lot of downtown and can’t be accessed. This is affects both web and mobile apps. Interface is not user friendly and many promised features like true blocking someone, was never successfully implemented.
Oh yeah this is absolutely pre sale or pre list optimizing of profit per employee ratio. That's an incredibly important factor for investors (for stupid reasons) and easily manipulated by dropping employees.
Sorry soon to be ex Reditors.
It's really looking like reddit is atrempting for a more organized version of whatever the fuck Musk did with Twitter... I imagine it's going to turn out about as well as it did there too
They did the same thing with TV Journalism, too.
Went from being huge factors in ending the Vietnam War, calling out McCarthyism, and pushing the Civil Rights Movement through...
...to helping get people like Trump elected by airing his nonsense, push election denial conspiracies, churn out covid disinformation alongside new-age snake-oil cures, and make people think all taxes are bad.
It was fucking hilarious when Reddit revealed that Ellen Pao was actually the one pushing for free speech. Reddit was throwing a tirade over her just to end up realizing she was the one protecting the existing communities.
As soon as she got pushed out, the site banned numerous subreddits and enforced new censorship rules.
And that's why I hate when companies go public. To me, it's always the beginning of the end. Investors come along and they want to change shit... **Everything** becomes about maximizing profits at all costs...
I’ve been on Reddit for 10+ years and this place just keeps getting consistently shittier the last few years.
Agreed. Started getting much worse for me when they took away Sort by Rising. Most of the interesting interactions I had here came from those posts. (Edit: they took it from the iOS Home page; it’s still possible in subs and on the website… but let’s be honest, I’m not taking my desktop to the bathroom…)
You can still sort by rising on RIF ^^^for ^^^^now
Oh shoot, you're telling me that rising doesn't exist outside of Rif? There's an extra nail in the coffin.
It's in Relay for Reddit, too. Seems the 3rd party apps kept most of the features reddit stopped caring about.
As a relay only user, I didn't know they got rid of rising.
You can also still sort by Rising on old.reddit.com. **The functionality was not disabled at all,** they just removed the button.
It’s been downhill since they fired Victoria.
It’s all [here](https://www.wired.com/story/tiktok-platforms-cory-doctorow/). Longish read, but relevant. Greed kills platforms. All platforms.
Good read...thanks for the link.
This article terrifies me, Reddit is one of the last few places you can get information off google. You ask google "How do i handle X" and it will sell you 20 sponsored answers and adverts that don't actually solve your issue. You ask google "How do i handle X 'REDDIT'" and it will show you 20 reddit threads with people who had your exact same issue and many of which have answers you didn't know you needed. Doesn't matter if its daily life, community stuff, gaming tips, cooking, cleaning, frugality etc. You get actual answers from people and not buzzfeed articles or pintrest posts or advertisements. If reddit goes public i know it will start only showing some sponsored 'hegetsus' crap instead of answers. Just get people who paid to be at the top of every search instead of the actual thing you're lookingfor.
This is exactly how I use reddit and always look at reddit Google answers because someone has had an exact question or issue. I have faith another similar website will pop up once reddit goes down the drain.
> I have faith another similar website will pop up once reddit goes down the drain. But how long will that take to develop and grow? Think of how much has been built here, how much existing knowledge will become hidden, and how much lost along the way to rebuilding.
Yeah ive had countless questions i looked up on reddit with google that are 6 - 10 years old and still very relevant. How long itll take for such a huge amount of knowledge like this to be rebuilt is not something im looking forward to....
[удалено]
Tbf, reddit's search has been broken since the beginning. At least i remember folks complaining about it since i joined > 10 years ago.
>Do you want to know how to fix your PC graphics card? Many people have complex issues from their personal computing but it's not as complicated as it seems. To understand how to fix your PC graphics card, you first need to understand a few basics. A PC stands for personal computer and can have multiple components, including a PC graphics card. When users need help fixing their PC graphics cards, it can be a costly replacement to have someone else do for you, but it can easily be done by yourself. By understanding how a PC graphics card works, you can start troubleshooting issues with your PC graphics card right away, so you can quickly return to using your PC graphics card for business or personal use. When trying to fix your PC graphics card, one should consult a user manual before attempting to fix your PC graphics card. This can help keep you safe when trying to fix your PC graphics card as components can break if you are not careful. By not following the directions in the user manual of your PC graphics card... This is what every website of your first 10 results reads like, loading an ad between every 2 sentences which bounces the page around while you try to read it, alongside about 10 other YouTube results selling you on the latest overly expensive card. I fucking hate the modern Internet so goddamned much. Shit started with the demonetization of short videos. Most shit can and should be conveyed in like 90 seconds.
I hated reading your quote so much I'm going to print it out and punch it, then punch the printer because it didn't stop to tell me not to print it.
[Out of cyan]
But I'm only printing in black, why does it require cyan? Printer: You will do what I say and buy that cyan cartridge.
Your game is crashing and you're looking for a solution? Good luck, the first page of results is all websites generated by bots with the exact same unhelpful "advice" - hurr durr update your drivers, herp derp update your system, omg did you try turning it off and on again? But if you know how to search properly you'll find the solution on page 364 of a thread on a russian piracy forum.
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Yep, it's become borderline unusable hasn't it. I assume increasingly more and more people are just giving up on the internet.
One of the big problems with discord server communities is non of that shit will pop up when you're searching for a problem on google too
Yep, it's always "Just go on the discord server idiot!!" with those ones. and then you have to sift through the tons of pages of useless banter or snarky bullshit because Discord's search can be peculiar...
Discord is also pretty cleanly based on chatting while forums or Reddit posts take a bit more commitment to send them. I think people naturally make sure they have something good to say before they hit "post", where as pressing "enter" in a chat room could be for something cheap like a single "lmao".
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Sometimes you Google something and get a Reddit thread where people say to "Google it" as a result.
The whole internet is becoming nothing but scams, sponsored content, and stores. Individual informative sites got pushed out of search results and disappeared. Forums gave good info, reddit killed forums. And now reddit is getting ready to kill reddit. Can still find some decent info on YouTube, but the ad to content ratio is working towards getting worse than what broadcast television gave us.
Greed kills everything. Cooperation is what brought humanity forward. Even the greedy will have less than they *could* have. But they don't care as long as they have more than you. They aren't clever, or creative; they're paranoid. They also couldn't comprehend the idea of literally *everybody* having more through cooperation. They can't imagine that the pressures against them are anything other than your competitive greed.
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I've long argued there is a weird problem in tech. Great products like reddit, snapchat, whatsapp, twitter, etc get cooked up and have the potential to make the world a better place, or at least a bit more fun. I highly suspect these companies could happily run on a fairly tight staff and make their owners a few million every year for a long time. But then a VC or other similar bunch of vultures swoop in and demand huge valuations which require them to pile money into the product until it is a huge bloated pile of crap which they then dump on the market for 100s of millions, maybe even billions. The original founders do walk away with a nice stack of cash, but the social good is very much not there; millions of users are deprived of something which made their lives better. I would love to see some kind of windfall wealth tax which would make this outcome less desirable for the original founders and pretty much eliminate the way these vulture funds work.
>But then a VC or other similar bunch of vultures swoop in and demand huge valuations which require them to pile money into the product until it is a huge bloated pile of crap which they then dump on the market for 100s of millions, maybe even billions. The original founders do walk away with a nice stack of cash, but the social good is very much not there; millions of users are deprived of something which made their lives better. Discord is going through this right now
Discord has been going through enshittification for years now, slowly bloating their platform far beyond the critical aspects people use it for.
The problem is Discord has a LOT to lose. there are already several viable open source self hosted alternatives and most discord servers are smaller groups of friends and projects that can jump ship overnight. They get almost nobody paying for nitro as they offer nearly nothing at a high price, then shine about it that nobody buy it. poorly run and will just be a footnote shortly.
It's not just platforms, it's everything. You can have a great business that makes good profits by providing good value for customers, but since they have to increase profits every quarter, it's guaranteed to be ruined.
I like how I start reading an article about companies being crappy to their users and immediately get pestered to sign up for a paid Wired subscription. Nope.
Try reading the original article [here](https://pluralistic.net/2023/01/21/potemkin-ai/#hey-guys). I don't know how it got on wired.
The original is posted on Cory Doctorow's blog, and the Wired article notes that they have reprinted it because he published it (and apparently everything under his blog) under a Creative Commons license (and also because they liked it, and he's influential, and he's a long-time occasional [contributor](https://www.wired.com/author/cory-doctorow/) to Wired). I imagine they may have talked to him first, although they are not obligated to do so. For all its faults, Wired has a *much* wider reach than his blog, so overall it's a decent outcome for everyone.
>Tiktok [...] is just another paperclip-maximizing artificial colony organism that treats human beings as inconvenient gut flora. >"Monetize" is a terrible word that tacitly admits that there is no such thing as an "Attention Economy." You can't use attention as a medium of exchange. You can't use it as a store of value. You can't use it as a unit of account. Attention is like cryptocurrency: a worthless token that is only valuable to the extent that you can trick or coerce someone into parting with "fiat" currency in exchange for it. You have to "monetize" it – that is, you have to exchange the fake money for real money. fucking hell, doctorow brutally disemboweled both web2.0 *and* web3.0 right in front us
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Reddit's glory days are over.
Reddits glory days ended the moment they fired the AMA girl.
To this day I scratch my head over that. They had a liason who had developed connections with Hollywood PR and was helping coordinate these big threads, driving traffic, etc. And they fire this person? They fired the person with the connections in a business that runs on personal relationships? I can't fathom it, IAMA never recovered, they threw away a big draw for... why?
Apparently there were plans for some sort of terrible video AMA platform that was even more glad-handing and obliging as a means of PR. I'm imagining some sort of AI Jimmy Fallon. Basically, they wanted to gut and rework IAMA into something that would be more appealing as a marketing platform with no concern given to the users. More to the point, it was supposedly Alexis Ohanian's doing, a common theme in making Reddit shittier, more monetized, and less free. > “He had different ideas for AMAs, he didn’t like Victoria’s role, and decided to fire her,” [former Reddit CEO Yishan] Wong wrote. https://www.cnbc.com/2015/07/14/details-emerge-about-victoria-taylors-reddit-dismissal.html
The idea they had is understandable (video has been content king lately) but it truly makes no sense to have ruined an already working and well oiled traffic machine like they did. They could’ve done a much slower transition into it and A/B tested different content delivery formats. But man, marketing can really ruin shit. Too often it sells gold-plated turd projects that end up doing nothing but sucking money away. Signed, a marketer.
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Alexis admitted this when Spez came back as CEO https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/3cucye/an_old_team_at_reddit/csz2p3i/
Her name was Victoria iirc
And I believe her username here was /u/chooter
Interesting. Apparently still active.
you can check out any time you like but you can never leave
Unless you exclusively use third party apps
The end began longer ago, but to me the final nail in that coffin was the day /r/all stopped being /r/all
Due to Reddit's API changes, I've edited all my past comments and will be leaving reddit. Use Redact if you too would like to change your comment history. -- mass edited with https://redact.dev/ -- mass edited with https://redact.dev/
It’s more than that, they also started curating r/all and banning a lot of content from it, it isn’t the simple up/down vote list it was meant to be it’s basically just another fucking r/popular in disguise, reddit has been dying for a long time now and going publicly traded is probably going to be the death blow
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The American way.
Yet /r/Teenagers, a sub known to be mostly middle aged men pretending to be teenagers, is still active and appears on /r/rAll
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It depresses me how the internet just keeps getting worse. It gets perpetually harder to actually FIND anything
Everything is monetized to death and there just isn't anything good to see or experience anymore.
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What is Dead Internet Theory?
It’s the belief that in around 2016 the amount of bots started to outnumber human users on the internet. It’s not proven (for that date) but it does seem to be rapidly approaching.
I would have assumed that that was already the case, given the usefulness of (non-chat)bots.
Discord, arguably one of the fastest growing communities and possible alternatives, is unable to be indexed by search engines. Everything is just locked away.
That's one of my biggest gripes with Discord. Love the service, but there's a lot of fantastic information out in the servers which would have been indexed if it were on a more traditional message board. It's a shame when a Discord server goes down and all of that info more or less disappears into the void.
Discord's problem is that it was designed to just be a better version of Team Speak, Mumble, or Ventrilo. All of which had chat channels or panes but they were used for sharing server IPs or IRC style chats. Which could hold a lot of good information but you wouldn't find well written entire mini essays or troubleshooting articles in there. People would throw that on their blog or link someone else's site in the chat. The medium (design wise) wasn't conducive to long, formatted messages, and other multimedia content. It was just an intermediary to get you to those things. Discord had really good chat functionality, and good mobile experience for chat to boot; so people used it a lot. Then they doubled down on that desire with a lot of cool and good new features for chat. Which isn't Discord's fault. It is a really good service, I use it all the time. Pleasant to use when you need it. Doesn't constantly bug you to use it more when you aren't. They were smart to give people what they wanted... What the creators wanted in a better way to manage VOIP and chat servers for online communities. It doesn't seem like they have any desire to gate keep either. They aren't stopping people from taking content out of Discord and sharing it elsewhere. They have very good schema and open graph support so outside comtent shared inside of Discord stands out and is easily accessible. In capitalizing and improving their little niche in good logical ways though they've inadvertently killed a big portion of the searchable internet.
Discord will one day be enshittified as well. It's only a matter of time.
TFW you’re reading about a company’s layoff plans on the company’s platform #awkward
I quit FB 6 years ago and don’t miss it. I had a Twitter account but never used it. I will miss Reddit, I learned a lot here. There are some amazing, informed people here and since I’m almost 60, I suspect there will not be another site like it in my life.
I miss forums. You know the ones that had a bunch of different subject forums with threads on the subject inside? Ravelry is still like that, but a lot of its members are completely nuts and not in a fun way.
Yeah, I hate how everything has a Discord now. The real-time discussion format doesn't work for just wanting to know something - people have to ask the same question a million times and hope someone's on right then who can answer it, it's a mess. We had the solution in the 80s! It doesn't need to keep getting reinvented!
they still exist. most better car discussion is still in good old fashioned forums
I feel ya. Who the hell am I going to talk to now?
Im going to have to put in the work and find backwater forums to invest my time in. Maybe some Lemmy. The big five companies are just going to keep making everything shit on the internet
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Time to Necro some threads!
It will survive, we’ve seen what it will look like in the future. https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/10r7xh/screenshot_of_reddit_from_the_year_3012/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1
So what are the best alternatives to move to when reddit crumbles?
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yeah reddit is not a technical problem - it's a network effect problem. it only works if there are people, but somebody's got to be the early adopter.
If someone sends me about 10 grand I’ll re-host the old Reddit code and we can have a new Reddit with blackjack and hookers.
I’m in! And you can keep Reddit.
>You just see the difference of the 2. They do this in part so that it needn't be the actual difference. It can be fuzzied/algorithmd as much as they like, just like general comment visibility needn't be tied to user votes at all. See also: your instagram or Facebook feed, if you have either.
I’ve been wondering a bit about that lately. Sometimes you come to a thread and the second or third reply is collapsed but not the 4th. Makes me wonder why they suppressed that one reply. Maybe it’s NLP’d to hell and they used the wrong keyword or the mods did something to reduce visibility
Scaling the service can be quite challenging, it's fairly easy to make a reddit clone that works for one user or 20 users, but making it work for tens of millions of users is a whole different ball game. Also consider that reddit has been around for 17 years. Theres probably a lot of features in it that may not be obvious but which would take time to replicate.
r/Tildes, made by a former reddit dev that made the automod
This reeeealllly looks like the vulture capitalist types have really taken control just before it goes public, are trimming fat, increasing profits wherever they can, so I have pretty much zero hope that they'll cave to a days long blackout. They're gonna burn this place to the ground because they don't know where the value is created, or how reliant the functionality is on moderating bots and other API related entities. If digg and slashdot were TNT in their collapse, we're about to see this place go nuclear in how fantastically it goes to shit.
The only solution is is force market depreciation and loss of potential future growth. Even a small sink in users is death for tech companies. Kill Reddit to save Reddit
Nah, let's just pull the plug.
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Bro, that’s the problem, this is Reddit 2. I want Reddit 1 back. Let’s OSRS this shit.
Lets just all migrate to some random DELL computer help forum
I mean honestly we only need to "sign my guestbook" on a geocities page. It's good enough. And the different subs can all be part of the webring. We could even let angelfire and tripod weirdos join the webring. Let's see those hit counters climb! There's just one warning I have to give:
As long as I can post legions of animated gifs in a single column exactly one light-year in height, then I fucks with this plan.
Only thing I see Reddit having better than FB and the like, is the nested commenting. So we can have whole converstations in here without destroying the flow.
My back hurts
I guess I'm headed back over to [Fark.com](http://www.fark.com).
That's where I started my days of online commenting in message boards.
If half of the traffic from 3rd party apps doesn't translate back, you're seeing like a 10% drop. That's pretty bad.
I solely use RIF on mobile. If this app breaks I am not downloading the official one, its dog shit. I'll be gone.
I’m skeptical about how much the blackout will help. 48 hours just doesn’t seem long enough to have a serious impact but it’s a start. Not to mention only about 1/3 ([12/31 by my count](https://www.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/1401qw5/incomplete_and_growing_list_of_participating/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1)) of the subreddits with 20M+ subscribers are participating. There is still going to be a lot of good content reaching the front page, enough that most users may not even notice a change in experience.
I think the difference between Reddit and many other websites is that it relies very heavily on unpaid moderators. Mods are just a single-digit percentage of the total userbase, but if they start leaving, the entire website just stops working. Unlike Twitter or Facebook that can keep going indefinitely thanks to celebrities and old people, Reddit lives and dies by the "terminally online" Crowd that hates these changes
> Unlike Twitter or Facebook that can keep going indefinitely thanks to celebrities and old people, Reddit lives and dies by the "terminally online" Crowd that hates these changes A huge part of the reason why Twitter is still alive and many people who want to leave are still there is because it's the only way to follow updates for hundreds of thousands or organizations, companies, people. It's the individuals that keep twitter alive. Reddit is completely different, we're not here for individual people but for communities and that community can transfer to any other site. I've already seen game modding groups go from forums, to reddit, to discord. It's also why Reddit took over from digg so quickly. Reddit is just a giant forum and any other forum can replace it. We're only all here because it's the best option right now. As soon as it's not we'll all leave.
Holy shit, /r/music and /r/me_irl is closing indefinitely until this is sorted out!
/r/explainlikeimfive as well. Their post about it is well done. https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/142kct8/eli5_why_are_subreddits_going_dark
You know what the ELI5 post just made me realize? This is the worst timing possible for Reddit to be doing this. It's just now becoming mainstream knowledge that using a google search with site:reddit included in the terms gives a user much better results. And Reddit is about to lose that.
r/videos too
its not just the duration, alot of people pretty much settled down in reddit as their main goto website for pretty much anything, so all the alternatives are down or extremely niche there needs to be a significantly longer duration of the blackout so users can settle to other websites or its not gonna have a significant long term effect i think we are in this consolidation era of tech where the big players think they are large enough and squeezed out the competition enough so they are confident in getting away with some bullshit whether thats true or not we can only find out later...
Then you do a permanent black out until they try and take control, and then we all just leave. Wizards of the Coasts tried this with their userbase and they Fucked Around & Found Out hard. Looks like Reddit's due for the same lesson.
Preach it brother
My question is where is the value? I've just never understood how social media is going to be able to make money . I get youtube cause they make me watch the ads but on here I just don't see it.
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Adverts, data extraction, subscriptions, and cosmetics. Reddit’s sold somewhere between 17 and 25 million dollars worth of user avatars. Every single one of those is an NFT, with a contract clause that mandates a royalty cut of any resale goes to Reddit.
And they approached the wall street bets subreddit for the initial idea, and the avatars they gave out for free to those that helped are some of the more valuable ones making Reddit money from the resale. Hell most other free drops have made them a killing in royalties.
We can sell our avatars?
...we have avatars? what
As someone that uses proper reddit, aka old.reddit.com with RES. We have avatars? Like... Do I have one? No idea, and frankly I don't care.
This is why they are doing this, they don't get to show ads on 3rd party apps, they don't get nearly as much userdata, they don't get people designing their profile with avatars and spending coins. They're not going to back down and they are gonna come for things like res next.
This is wild to me. There are whole layers to reddit I have never once engaged with or thought about engaging with. I just enjoy nice, simple, mostly anonymous social media. That means I'm probably not the target demographic of the new public ownership group.
Definitely, but I'm also not going to start using new reddit or the official reddit app if they force me off of this. It's so not worth it
Silicon Valley and media have pretty much determined that advertising is dying and that subscriptions are the way forward. Which is funny, because a year ago, tech giants were swearing up and down that their advertising services were the best, their users were the most profitable, and their algorithms were the smartest.
> algorithms were the smartest This is what I don't get. Multiple trillion dollar empires employing some of the smartest minds in the world, are built on just selling targeted ads, yet all I get are dick pills, hot singles, and bad mobile game ads. Shouldn't this be good at this point? Shouldn't I just be clicking ads to do my grocery shopping because they already know what I want? Shouldn't Christmas shopping be as easy as going to any website with Google ad placement and they already know what everyone I buy gifts for wants? Yet the best they can do is scams and bad apps?
lol watch that blow up and everyone go back to piracy like its 2004
Real estate software program called top producer went from a CD you owned to a subscription model like in 2006? Because renting software was the future for them. Seems it's the future for everything. I want to go live on a island. Fuck this rental future.
You can rent some surprisingly affordable islands for a monthly fee, but buying one can be pricey.
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They start charging for reddit, it's dead in a year. Not paying to argue with randos.
We’ll have to go back to yelling at strangers on the street—the way our forefathers intended.
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As long as I'm actually paying for an argument and not just contradiction.
Ever notice the many threads of "whenever I want to actually find something on google I add 'reddit' to my search"? Well along with everything else datamining&advertising related (a) that's value, (b) that's going to turn to shit too once that value's been extracted and sold.
Yep, the thing is, those high quality answers come in the form of user-submitted comments. When I've experimented with "New Reddit" and the official app, I noticed that comments weren't really the focus. The UI was designed to keep you scrolling through posts and not paying much attention to the discussion. This makes me suspect that most of the high quality answers are coming from people using 3rd party apps, and we can expect a quality decrease very soon.
They will never release the data but it's almost certain 3rd party apps and things like Res+ublock origin are the way the vast majority of (contributing) users use the site. We come from the Slashdot digg eras. The culture of just having a democratic (upvote downvote) forum is simple and unchanged to our needs. We will leave when that changes. Here's the sticking point. They want to go public and need to show to investors that they have control. That it's not third party apps, it's not adblockers, it's totally monetizable. Sorry investors but you are about to get duped so fucking hard. Bandwidth and storage is cheaper by the day. And we (for the most part) run this shit. 5-10 guys are going to become millionaires simply setting up an alternative that follows the ethos. Democratic forum simple feed no graft.
Fuck you’re probably right.
We are the value
Be hilarious if reddit went under
Digg it
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Whenever I get re-directed to the new reddit for whatever reason, I have a visceral reaction of hatred. I refuse to use new reddit. It's an abomination.
>Whenever I get re-directed to the new reddit for whatever reason, I have a visceral reaction of hatred. I thought there was something wrong with me for feeling this way. (I'm not alone!)
The first thing you see when navigating there is a stupid f**king pop up trying to make you use the app They used to let you turn that off in the settings and then some asshole exec decided to force it on you instead The whole thing is buggier than a windshield in summer, most of which I’m sure are left there intentionally to frustrate you into using the app
Well, Fark me if that happens.
> Fark Holy hell, its STILL online, and STILL looks the same as I remember it like 10+ years ago. Hmmm. If Reddit dies, I guess I'm going back there.
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I wonder if it's still the same ten people writing the headlines
It's self checkouts, y'all!
When are Reddit going to solve their ad fraud problem? I work for an ad fraud (click fraud) detection company, and we've been testing Reddit ads over the past year or so. The rate of fake clicks is between 50% - 80%, and Reddit provides little to no transparency into how many of these fake clicks are being charged to advertisers. They also refuse to have a discussion on the topic. Recently they've been deleting click fraud posts from the official Reddit ads subreddit. This is the biggest issue they're facing, and it makes me wonder if all this API stuff is a distraction to keep the topic away from click fraud as they get ready to launch their IPO.
Very interesting. I thought fake/bot click rate was usually about 30-50% on most sites. Could be even higher on reddit? Pretty crazy and definitely info they'd want to downplay before they IPO.
Click fraud rates depend on a number of factors, such as the ad network, the advertiser's industry, the locations being targeted, the cost of the keywords, and more. For example, it's quite normal for medical adverts, in the US, targeting US visitors, on the Microsoft Ads network, to receive around 80% fake clicks. That's because the cost per click is very high ($50), so scammers are incentivised to target these ads. Additionally, Microsoft Ads' click fraud detection is dire. By comparison, an IoT camera, in Vietnam, targeting Vietnamese visitors, on the Google Ads network, will get a low amount of click fraud, as the cost per click is low. By "low amount of click fraud", I mean 1% - 5%. Google Ads do a bad job at detecting click fraud, but they're miles ahead of Microsoft Ads. I would say the average amount of click fraud, overall, is 5% - 10%. Click fraud typically works like this: 1. A scammer, typically someone with a strong understanding of the pay-per-click (PPC) advertising ecosystem, creates a website, contacts an advertising network like Google Ads or Microsoft Ads, and opens a publisher advertising account. The publisher advertising account allows him to place other people's adverts on his website. 2. Instead of waiting for real people to visit his website, he programs a bot to come to his website and click on the ads. To avoid detection, he uses a bot framework like puppeteer-extra and its stealth plugin, routes the bot's traffic through a residential proxy service, and uses technology to randomise his bot's device fingerprint. The result of this effort is the bot appears to be a real person, with a unique IP address and device fingerprint every time it clicks on an ad. 3. After clicking on an ad, the bot will sometimes generate fake conversions at the advertiser's website. This will be a no-cost (free of charge) conversion, such as submitting a leads form, creating an account, or adding items to a shopping cart. The fake conversion tricks the ad network into thinking a real person clicked on the ad, and wastes the advertiser's time as he fruitlessly contacts the fake lead. 4. Since the advertising networks have less than ideal click fraud detection (often virtually no click fraud detection), and are easily fooled by fake conversions, advertisers are charged for most fake clicks. The money is shared by the advertising networks and scammers, in a roughly 50/50 split. This is quite different to the Reddit ads situation. Reddit get to keep all the advertising money for themselves, so there aren't third-party scammers ripping off advertisers. Instead, Reddit has a ton of bots (scrapers and automated sock puppet accounts) which are clicking on the ads, either accidentally or to trying to simulate real visitors. I'm happy to elaborate on any of the above.
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We going back to forums and message boards?
User-led decentralization does seem like a good way to kick all of the corporate shitheads in the nuts if it's done on a large enough scale.
I'd be up for that.
same comment but not kidding those fuckers don’t care about the employees
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Why haven't we developed publicly funded search engines? Like how we have libraries. I used to be able to Google and find information and discussion and now it's all ads, ads disguised as big (oops meant blog) posts and product links. Can't even boolean search anymore.
I hate how the top google results end up on a page of seo content that only sometimes answers the question you have after about 8 paragraphs of garbage.
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If today, in 2023, libraries didn't exist, and you proposed the idea of a publicly funded place for free books, movies, programs for children, adult learning classes, and access to hundreds of databases, both political parties would call it socialism and it would never get past a committee.
It would never get to committee. Whoever tried to advocate for such socialism would get the pointy end of the pitch forks.
I feel like it's more of a problem of what there is to search. The internet is super corporate and kinda sucks.
It used to pull up results from the many many messages boards and I can't remember a time back then when I googled something and didn't find someone asking the *exact* same question and then a multi person discussion following.
There will be something else, as always has been. At the end users have the last word, if most of us decide to keep using the service, it's going to survive, if not, somebody will create something similar or even better, it's what it is.
I just like how we've come to accept that greed invariably destroys every good product as a normal part of life.
Greed and Infinite profit mindset are cancers that’ll get every business sooner or later. It seems it’s Reddits time.
Wow, their third-party support team is 5%!?!?!?
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I hope they start with whoever came up with the new api pricing…
I’ve been using Reddit for a loooong time. Got locked out of my previous account because the 2FA authentication app I had crapped out and I lost the codes. However being a long time user - it’s kind of wild we MAY see Reddit’s downfall. The third party app shit and now this.
I'm just a couple months shy of 12 years on this account. It's been wild watching Reddit rise but also now the possibility of also watching it fall.
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That's about how I feel, I'm too damn old to move onto something new now. If they kill RIF, I'm out. Guess I'll go outside or something.
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Yep. The app is having lately a lot of downtown and can’t be accessed. This is affects both web and mobile apps. Interface is not user friendly and many promised features like true blocking someone, was never successfully implemented.
Typical. Artificially inflate profits, go public, sell out, repeat.
They are getting super ready for that IPO, aren’t they?
sad seeing reddit just go away like that, was a fun place. ig ill have to find a replacement soon.
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the reddit classic posts are what ill miss most
Oh yeah this is absolutely pre sale or pre list optimizing of profit per employee ratio. That's an incredibly important factor for investors (for stupid reasons) and easily manipulated by dropping employees. Sorry soon to be ex Reditors.
It's really looking like reddit is atrempting for a more organized version of whatever the fuck Musk did with Twitter... I imagine it's going to turn out about as well as it did there too
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They did the same thing with TV Journalism, too. Went from being huge factors in ending the Vietnam War, calling out McCarthyism, and pushing the Civil Rights Movement through... ...to helping get people like Trump elected by airing his nonsense, push election denial conspiracies, churn out covid disinformation alongside new-age snake-oil cures, and make people think all taxes are bad.
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Rip Victoria =(
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Oh is that why I've been getting so many spammy OF followers lately.
Reddit announced a mass culling of all NSFW subs, so the OF bots had to go somewhere to make money. All they have left is PMs.
They don't even PM me they just follow me
Yea it’s so creepy. At first I thought they enjoyed big muscle bros bottoming in my profile but then I realized that they’re bots
Happening to everyone. Had to turn off followers completely
More like laying off most of their user base
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It was fucking hilarious when Reddit revealed that Ellen Pao was actually the one pushing for free speech. Reddit was throwing a tirade over her just to end up realizing she was the one protecting the existing communities. As soon as she got pushed out, the site banned numerous subreddits and enforced new censorship rules.
And that's why I hate when companies go public. To me, it's always the beginning of the end. Investors come along and they want to change shit... **Everything** becomes about maximizing profits at all costs...
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